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Wargizmo
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia1237 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-30 00:04:33
May 30 2010 00:02 GMT
#181
On May 30 2010 08:54 floor exercise wrote:
Is Daniel Lee a strategic genius by virtue of being a coach?


not necessarily, but it follows that someone who is a coach might know something or two about strategy and tactics no?

Regardless, it's one small point. My argument is you'll probably see older players doing better at SC2. You guys are welcome to disagree, I'm not going to say anything more about it.
Information is not knowledge. Knowledge is not wisdom. Wisdom is not truth. Truth is not beauty. Beauty is not love. Love is not music. Music is best. - Frank Zappa
KiWiKaKi
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada691 Posts
May 30 2010 00:59 GMT
#182
so no vod anywhere now?
ur pro or ur noob , thats life
NuKedUFirst
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada3139 Posts
May 30 2010 01:01 GMT
#183
(P)TesteR rocks my socks, (T)IdrA did well so did TLO

Replays I hope aswell as VODs commng soon?
FrostedMiniWeet wrote: I like winning because it validates all the bloody time I waste playing SC2.
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-30 03:38:16
May 30 2010 03:32 GMT
#184
Tester's play reminds me of something that Day9 emphasized a lot as of late: that great mechanics allow you to do things that you would otherwise not dream of doing. Tester was clearly in trouble in Game 3 when he two-gated into fast roaches (and in fact, fast roaches is part of the reason two-gate fell out of favor in the "received wisdom" of PvZ), but he was able to transition successfully into a win despite having the weaker build, simply by virtue of his mechanics being so strong.

Like Day9 said, oftentimes it's not the build that's the problem, it's the little things that you do or fail to do with it that counts.
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
May 30 2010 05:15 GMT
#185
On May 30 2010 12:32 Azarkon wrote:
Tester's play reminds me of something that Day9 emphasized a lot as of late: that great mechanics allow you to do things that you would otherwise not dream of doing. Tester was clearly in trouble in Game 3 when he two-gated into fast roaches (and in fact, fast roaches is part of the reason two-gate fell out of favor in the "received wisdom" of PvZ), but he was able to transition successfully into a win despite having the weaker build, simply by virtue of his mechanics being so strong.

Like Day9 said, oftentimes it's not the build that's the problem, it's the little things that you do or fail to do with it that counts.

2 gate isnt weak vs roaches, stalkers hard counter them early on in low numbers. it never fell out of favor, its the most common pvz build on asia cuz nothing really counters it.
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Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-30 06:28:53
May 30 2010 05:20 GMT
#186
Fair enough, wasn't really talking about Asia though. I understand their meta-game differs significantly from what we have on the US/EU. Here I'm seeing a lot more 3 gate robos, 4 gates, and forge expands.
whatthemate
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia51 Posts
May 30 2010 06:41 GMT
#187
doesn't matter meta game = optimal playstyle.
whatthehell
Gescom
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada3478 Posts
May 30 2010 07:28 GMT
#188
On May 30 2010 12:32 Azarkon wrote:
Tester's play reminds me of something that Day9 emphasized a lot as of late: that great mechanics allow you to do things that you would otherwise not dream of doing. Tester was clearly in trouble in Game 3 when he two-gated into fast roaches (and in fact, fast roaches is part of the reason two-gate fell out of favor in the "received wisdom" of PvZ), but he was able to transition successfully into a win despite having the weaker build, simply by virtue of his mechanics being so strong.

Idra mis-microd somewhat in that final battle with the corruptors coming in 2-3 seconds late. I think he would have won g3 if not for that. He obviously had an advantage after shutting down the void ray attempt so hard.
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Noev
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1105 Posts
May 30 2010 07:34 GMT
#189
Was really awesome to watch, just some awesome to play a good time to convince my friend to watch with me he enjoyed it
barth
Profile Joined March 2008
Ireland1272 Posts
May 30 2010 08:42 GMT
#190
On May 30 2010 10:01 NuKedUFirst wrote:
(P)TesteR rocks my socks, (T)IdrA did well so did TLO

Replays I hope aswell as VODs commng soon?

VODs will be up for sure. Replays probably won`t. Check Day[9]`s thread for Blip.tv/Ustream on-demand links later or perhaps TL youtube channel.

http://www.youtube.com/user/nevake
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khellian
Profile Joined February 2010
Korea (South)922 Posts
May 30 2010 11:06 GMT
#191
Great games over all. Really exciting to watch and good commentating. Awsome!
KiWiKaKi
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada691 Posts
May 30 2010 18:20 GMT
#192
no vods yet??
ur pro or ur noob , thats life
RumZ
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States956 Posts
May 30 2010 20:45 GMT
#193
Does anyone know where the VODs will be allocated?
DangerDude
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany8 Posts
May 30 2010 21:23 GMT
#194
#99999999: need those vods
RoMarX
Profile Joined April 2010
Argentina189 Posts
May 30 2010 21:57 GMT
#195
On May 30 2010 08:44 Wargizmo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2010 08:28 Darpa wrote:
On May 30 2010 08:15 Wargizmo wrote:
On May 30 2010 07:57 hacpee wrote:
I don't know if I said it in this thread but I'll say it again. Tester is the first SC2 player I enjoy watching. His mistakes were minimal and his multitasking was good. If a washed out x-progamer like tester can do this with SCII, imagine what Flash can do with it.


Or maybe because SC2 has less mechanical requirements the older players actually have an advantage over the 16 year olds and we'll see the old 'washed up' players doing better than the current SC1 pros. We don't know.



thats a pretty naive opinion if you ask me. The current pros are no where near the caliber of those players, they could pick up SC2 for 2 days and be better.


According to you, with no evidence. Your opinion is just as naive as mine is.

In my opinion we'll see more strategic geniuses (like Tester, who is a coach) and less 15 year old mechanical monkeys doing well in SC2 because it's a slower paced game with less mechanical requirements. Sounds like a logical argument to me.




this. because of the easier engine in sc2, strategy > mechanical monkeys. and thats great.
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[GiTM]-Ace
Profile Joined September 2002
United States4935 Posts
May 30 2010 23:35 GMT
#196
On May 30 2010 08:28 Darpa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2010 08:15 Wargizmo wrote:
On May 30 2010 07:57 hacpee wrote:
I don't know if I said it in this thread but I'll say it again. Tester is the first SC2 player I enjoy watching. His mistakes were minimal and his multitasking was good. If a washed out x-progamer like tester can do this with SCII, imagine what Flash can do with it.


Or maybe because SC2 has less mechanical requirements the older players actually have an advantage over the 16 year olds and we'll see the old 'washed up' players doing better than the current SC1 pros. We don't know.



thats a pretty naive opinion if you ask me. The current pros are no where near the caliber of those players, they could pick up SC2 for 2 days and be better.


nice assumptions yo
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Liquid`Ret
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Netherlands4511 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-31 00:08:24
May 31 2010 00:07 GMT
#197
On May 31 2010 06:57 RoMarX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2010 08:44 Wargizmo wrote:
On May 30 2010 08:28 Darpa wrote:
On May 30 2010 08:15 Wargizmo wrote:
On May 30 2010 07:57 hacpee wrote:
I don't know if I said it in this thread but I'll say it again. Tester is the first SC2 player I enjoy watching. His mistakes were minimal and his multitasking was good. If a washed out x-progamer like tester can do this with SCII, imagine what Flash can do with it.


Or maybe because SC2 has less mechanical requirements the older players actually have an advantage over the 16 year olds and we'll see the old 'washed up' players doing better than the current SC1 pros. We don't know.



thats a pretty naive opinion if you ask me. The current pros are no where near the caliber of those players, they could pick up SC2 for 2 days and be better.


According to you, with no evidence. Your opinion is just as naive as mine is.

In my opinion we'll see more strategic geniuses (like Tester, who is a coach) and less 15 year old mechanical monkeys doing well in SC2 because it's a slower paced game with less mechanical requirements. Sounds like a logical argument to me.






this. because of the easier engine in sc2, strategy > mechanical monkeys. and thats great.




actually in theory it sucks because it turns the game into a guessing game since scouting is almost impossible early

great risks will pay off because they cant be battled with great mechanics

rock paper scissors build order picks
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Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17730 Posts
May 31 2010 00:37 GMT
#198
curious about the vods now
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goswser
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3548 Posts
May 31 2010 02:35 GMT
#199
How long until the vods?
say you were born into a jungle indian tribe where food was scarce...would you run around from teepee to teepee stealing meat scraps after a day lazying around doing nothing except warming urself by a fire that you didn't even make yourself? -rekrul
whatthemate
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia51 Posts
May 31 2010 03:12 GMT
#200
Can't wait to see the matches.

Probably Vods came out late, So its not the promised 1-2 day, Could even be a week. LOl
whatthehell
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