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On May 30 2010 08:54 floor exercise wrote: Is Daniel Lee a strategic genius by virtue of being a coach?
not necessarily, but it follows that someone who is a coach might know something or two about strategy and tactics no?
Regardless, it's one small point. My argument is you'll probably see older players doing better at SC2. You guys are welcome to disagree, I'm not going to say anything more about it.
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TesteR rocks my socks, IdrA did well so did TLO 
Replays I hope aswell as VODs commng soon?
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Tester's play reminds me of something that Day9 emphasized a lot as of late: that great mechanics allow you to do things that you would otherwise not dream of doing. Tester was clearly in trouble in Game 3 when he two-gated into fast roaches (and in fact, fast roaches is part of the reason two-gate fell out of favor in the "received wisdom" of PvZ), but he was able to transition successfully into a win despite having the weaker build, simply by virtue of his mechanics being so strong.
Like Day9 said, oftentimes it's not the build that's the problem, it's the little things that you do or fail to do with it that counts.
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On May 30 2010 12:32 Azarkon wrote: Tester's play reminds me of something that Day9 emphasized a lot as of late: that great mechanics allow you to do things that you would otherwise not dream of doing. Tester was clearly in trouble in Game 3 when he two-gated into fast roaches (and in fact, fast roaches is part of the reason two-gate fell out of favor in the "received wisdom" of PvZ), but he was able to transition successfully into a win despite having the weaker build, simply by virtue of his mechanics being so strong.
Like Day9 said, oftentimes it's not the build that's the problem, it's the little things that you do or fail to do with it that counts. 2 gate isnt weak vs roaches, stalkers hard counter them early on in low numbers. it never fell out of favor, its the most common pvz build on asia cuz nothing really counters it.
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Fair enough, wasn't really talking about Asia though. I understand their meta-game differs significantly from what we have on the US/EU. Here I'm seeing a lot more 3 gate robos, 4 gates, and forge expands.
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doesn't matter meta game = optimal playstyle.
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On May 30 2010 12:32 Azarkon wrote: Tester's play reminds me of something that Day9 emphasized a lot as of late: that great mechanics allow you to do things that you would otherwise not dream of doing. Tester was clearly in trouble in Game 3 when he two-gated into fast roaches (and in fact, fast roaches is part of the reason two-gate fell out of favor in the "received wisdom" of PvZ), but he was able to transition successfully into a win despite having the weaker build, simply by virtue of his mechanics being so strong. Idra mis-microd somewhat in that final battle with the corruptors coming in 2-3 seconds late. I think he would have won g3 if not for that. He obviously had an advantage after shutting down the void ray attempt so hard.
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Was really awesome to watch, just some awesome to play a good time to convince my friend to watch with me he enjoyed it
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On May 30 2010 10:01 NuKedUFirst wrote: TesteR rocks my socks, IdrA did well so did TLO  Replays I hope aswell as VODs commng soon? VODs will be up for sure. Replays probably won`t. Check Day[9]`s thread for Blip.tv/Ustream on-demand links later or perhaps TL youtube channel.
http://www.youtube.com/user/nevake
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Great games over all. Really exciting to watch and good commentating. Awsome!
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Does anyone know where the VODs will be allocated?
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#99999999: need those vods
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On May 30 2010 08:44 Wargizmo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2010 08:28 Darpa wrote:On May 30 2010 08:15 Wargizmo wrote:On May 30 2010 07:57 hacpee wrote: I don't know if I said it in this thread but I'll say it again. Tester is the first SC2 player I enjoy watching. His mistakes were minimal and his multitasking was good. If a washed out x-progamer like tester can do this with SCII, imagine what Flash can do with it. Or maybe because SC2 has less mechanical requirements the older players actually have an advantage over the 16 year olds and we'll see the old 'washed up' players doing better than the current SC1 pros. We don't know. thats a pretty naive opinion if you ask me. The current pros are no where near the caliber of those players, they could pick up SC2 for 2 days and be better. According to you, with no evidence. Your opinion is just as naive as mine is. In my opinion we'll see more strategic geniuses (like Tester, who is a coach) and less 15 year old mechanical monkeys doing well in SC2 because it's a slower paced game with less mechanical requirements. Sounds like a logical argument to me.
this. because of the easier engine in sc2, strategy > mechanical monkeys. and thats great.
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On May 30 2010 08:28 Darpa wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2010 08:15 Wargizmo wrote:On May 30 2010 07:57 hacpee wrote: I don't know if I said it in this thread but I'll say it again. Tester is the first SC2 player I enjoy watching. His mistakes were minimal and his multitasking was good. If a washed out x-progamer like tester can do this with SCII, imagine what Flash can do with it. Or maybe because SC2 has less mechanical requirements the older players actually have an advantage over the 16 year olds and we'll see the old 'washed up' players doing better than the current SC1 pros. We don't know. thats a pretty naive opinion if you ask me. The current pros are no where near the caliber of those players, they could pick up SC2 for 2 days and be better.
nice assumptions yo
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On May 31 2010 06:57 RoMarX wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2010 08:44 Wargizmo wrote:On May 30 2010 08:28 Darpa wrote:On May 30 2010 08:15 Wargizmo wrote:On May 30 2010 07:57 hacpee wrote: I don't know if I said it in this thread but I'll say it again. Tester is the first SC2 player I enjoy watching. His mistakes were minimal and his multitasking was good. If a washed out x-progamer like tester can do this with SCII, imagine what Flash can do with it. Or maybe because SC2 has less mechanical requirements the older players actually have an advantage over the 16 year olds and we'll see the old 'washed up' players doing better than the current SC1 pros. We don't know. thats a pretty naive opinion if you ask me. The current pros are no where near the caliber of those players, they could pick up SC2 for 2 days and be better. According to you, with no evidence. Your opinion is just as naive as mine is. In my opinion we'll see more strategic geniuses (like Tester, who is a coach) and less 15 year old mechanical monkeys doing well in SC2 because it's a slower paced game with less mechanical requirements. Sounds like a logical argument to me. this. because of the easier engine in sc2, strategy > mechanical monkeys. and thats great.
actually in theory it sucks because it turns the game into a guessing game since scouting is almost impossible early 
great risks will pay off because they cant be battled with great mechanics
rock paper scissors build order picks
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curious about the vods now
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Can't wait to see the matches.
Probably Vods came out late, So its not the promised 1-2 day, Could even be a week. LOl
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