Dan "Artosis" Stemkoski was a top American Terran player before beginning his casting career by covering mainly non-Korean online tournaments like Ascension. After casting the Razer TSL in 2008, Artosis moved to Korea and now does interviews and coverage for IEG, the media giant that sponsors the eSTRO professional gaming team. Artosis joined Tasteless to cast Blizzcon 2008 and 2009, as well as the WCG Grand Final this year. Artosis is known as "The Wikipedia of StarCraft" for his comprehensive knowledge of the game.
Nick "Tasteless" Plott is regarded by many as the top English professional StarCraft commentator. Tasteless began his career with WCG USA Finals in 2005, and casted several other live events throughout the United States. In 2008, he became the first English-only caster to move to Korea, covering all seasons of GomTV's TG-Intel Classic and the WCG Grand Finals from 2005 to this year. Tasteless also casted many events for Blizzard, including their World Wide Invitational (since 2006) and Blizzcon (since 2007). Tasteless's nickname is the "Storm Observer" for his energy, humor, and enthusiasm.
How to Watch? Stream will be provided at match time.
What is at Stake? Winner goes on to the TSL Semifinals. Loser is eliminated. Winner also earns a minimum of $1000 prize money, and an opportunity for much more.
Liquid`NonY wins 3-2 and advances to the semifinals where he'll win at least $1000!
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There also seems to be connectivity issues betwee the low stream and VLC, where it went to the starting screen randomly while viewing the intro, and then a full disconnect. Error code as below.
Your input can't be opened: VLC is unable to open the MRL 'http://kakaru.teamliquid.net:8000/'. Check the log for details.
On February 15 2010 04:26 KnightOfNi wrote: Yeah its not starting, none of the streams and when it does start it takes about 10 seconds max before cutting out.
Don't mean to be rude but..you guys have ALOT of problems....yesterday vent kept lagging out for chill, now today the "Stream is having tech difficulties", Last weekend vent kept lagging out also. I really hope you guys get this stuff fixed! would make the show go a lot smoother! Go IdrA!
I can't wait to see NoNy vs Mondragon or Idra vs mondragon!!!! It will be EPICK because all of these players are in top shape (maybe nony is not as Idra and Mondi but he realy i prepearing himself as much as he can )))) ) TSL is even better than OSL or MSL for me , maybe because I am not Korean :D .
On February 15 2010 05:11 xfi wrote: 95% percent of us don't have girlfriends...get real...or we wouldn't be sitting here on V-day waiting for a broken stream to be fixed .
The day is young, I got a baggoning date with a cutie in my child and youth studies seminar
LMAO! Girlfriends are overrated. They take so much more time and energy. If you were really looking for settling down, that's one thing but if you're not, waste of time. If you're main goal is to have sex you don't have to be in a serious relationship to get it. Just need to have a lot of friends whom are females and you get chances to have sex with them.
On February 15 2010 05:11 xfi wrote: 95% percent of us don't have girlfriends...get real...or we wouldn't be sitting here on V-day waiting for a broken stream to be fixed .
I would still.. maybe that's why I don't have one!
On February 15 2010 05:11 xfi wrote: 95% percent of us don't have girlfriends...get real...or we wouldn't be sitting here on V-day waiting for a broken stream to be fixed .
I would still.. maybe that's why I don't have one!
On February 15 2010 05:15 Vencedor wrote: LMAO! Girlfriends are overrated. They take so much more time and energy. If you were really looking for settling down, that's one thing but if you're not, waste of time. If you're main goal is to have sex you don't have to be in a serious relationship to get it. Just need to have a lot of friends whom are females and you get chances to have sex with them.
Its even more convincing when you spam it on the internet in topics that have absolutely nothing to do with the subject!
On February 15 2010 05:15 Vencedor wrote: LMAO! Girlfriends are overrated. They take so much more time and energy. If you were really looking for settling down, that's one thing but if you're not, waste of time. If you're main goal is to have sex you don't have to be in a serious relationship to get it. Just need to have a lot of friends whom are females and you get chances to have sex with them.
Its even more convincing when you spam it on the internet in topics that have absolutely nothing to do with the subject!
We're waiting and it's Valentine's Day. It's completely appropriate.
Anyway, hour and a half later, =/ I wasn't gonna be able to watch Nony vs Idra anyway, now I guess I'm gonna miss both. VOD's tomorrow it is! Good luck folks.
Hey guys, you know the motto of Blizzard: We release it when it's done.
So Tl staff are going by the same motto, but they also give use some hope with that counter. But if the counter get to a +15 minutes again i think i am going to hurt my keyboard.
So for the safeness of my keyboard, make it work :D
Nature always finds a way to punish me when I do something wrong. Today I lied to my gf that I have to study for an exam and I cant't meet her, when I really wanted to watch these games. And now God is punishing me for my lie with these stream problems.
On February 15 2010 05:16 HazMat wrote: Damn, how does Pokerstrategy feel about all these technical problems that have been happening the whole tournament.
I bet they would feel a lot better if their audience didn't include so many whiny bitches who can't appreciate a pretty high-quality good that they usually receive for just the time cost of watching. At least this thread includes a lot more supportive posts than in the past but I still hate to see so many complaints when the complaints about trivial bullshit may reduce the likelihood of future sponsorships. On the whole the TSL is absolutely a good thing, especially since it's free, and a vast majority of the complaints are short-sighted, superfluous, and stupid
On February 15 2010 05:24 FireEagle wrote: Nature always finds a way to punish me when I do something wrong. Today I lied to my gf that I have to study for an exam and I cant't meet her, when I really wanted to watch these games. And now God is punishing me for my lie with these stream problems.
On February 15 2010 05:24 FireEagle wrote: Nature always finds a way to punish me when I do something wrong. Today I lied to my gf that I have to study for an exam and I cant't meet her, when I really wanted to watch these games. And now God is punishing me for my lie with these stream problems.
On February 15 2010 05:24 FireEagle wrote: Nature always finds a way to punish me when I do something wrong. Today I lied to my gf that I have to study for an exam and I cant't meet her, when I really wanted to watch these games. And now God is punishing me for my lie with these stream problems.
Great now god is punishing us for your mistakes WTF ^^
Nature always finds a way to punish me when I do something wrong. Today I lied to my gf that I have to study for an exam and I cant't meet her, when I really wanted to watch these games. And now God is punishing me for my lie with these stream problems.
Actually it's not God, but Murphy. Him and his stupid laws.
Nature always finds a way to punish me when I do something wrong. Today I lied to my gf that I have to study for an exam and I cant't meet her, when I really wanted to watch these games. And now God is punishing me for my lie with these stream problems.
Actually it's not God, but Murphy. Him and his stupid laws.
On February 15 2010 05:24 FireEagle wrote: Nature always finds a way to punish me when I do something wrong. Today I lied to my gf that I have to study for an exam and I cant't meet her, when I really wanted to watch these games. And now God is punishing me for my lie with these stream problems.
Thank you!! Got back from work just in time to watch the games!! If it works now... xD
On February 15 2010 05:24 FireEagle wrote: Nature always finds a way to punish me when I do something wrong. Today I lied to my gf that I have to study for an exam and I cant't meet her, when I really wanted to watch these games. And now God is punishing me for my lie with these stream problems.
haha nice try with me it was the other way round. I send her home being the kind gentleman letting her study because she has an exam tomorrow ... don't give a fuck about her exam, wanted to watch tsl , only reason
On February 15 2010 05:24 FireEagle wrote: Nature always finds a way to punish me when I do something wrong. Today I lied to my gf that I have to study for an exam and I cant't meet her, when I really wanted to watch these games. And now God is punishing me for my lie with these stream problems.
haha nice try with me it was the other way round. I send her home being the kind gentleman letting her study because she has an exam tomorrow ... don't give a fuck about her exam, wanted to watch tsl , only reason
On February 15 2010 05:34 SoLaR[i.C] wrote: So are we currently missing JF vs White-Ra? Or are we just going to watch not-so-live streams?
They cast from reps, so you will get to see all the games eventually. Now im happy that they are casting from replays, imagine if they had to delay the games because of something like this...
I think they should set a time sometime later (+1hr), and broadcast then, even if they've got things working before that time. It would allow a lot of people to go take care of their business and not have to sit waiting for the stream to come back.
Some of you guys have mentioned a counter that keeps resetting to 15 minutes. Where do you see that? Unless, of course, you mean the green flashing bar at the top, but that says, "broadcast will resume in 00:00:00!"
Thanks a lot for the prompt updates & timeframes. There's no problem in waiting when we know what's going on. Congrats on dealing with the shitstorm you experienced, I imagine it's ridiculous trying to fix one freak accident after another, especially under time pressure.
Thanks Vinter! I have tried every stream (silverlight, direct, low quality direct) and nothing works for me. So now I am watching Vinter's stream, thank god. I already missed game 1, 3 and 4... T_T
i remember that thread that was like "the obs sux!" and i disagree with that, but this is actually like the 5th time i can remember (out of the ones that i have watched) someone msging carnac.... please remember to engage DND mode at the beginning Every time.
wow, was so not expecting to see this. IdrA down 2-1 first off....but even more amazingly GG's from IdrA depsite a cancelled CC and getting beaten by one of his hated rushes.
i know nony and he would never just BM and ragequit out of a game
with 4+ disconnects in "Liquid.Tyler" account, i knew immediately this was another d/c
the reason nony gave idra the won in game 4 wasn't because he knew he was behind. it was because he wasn't completely sure he was ahead, so he went ahead and gave idra a win, because thats how you play GM
On February 15 2010 07:49 NoDDiE wrote: waiting for interview with idra about imba dragoon range , imba reavers , AND IMBA IMBA IMBA WAY OF CANCELLING BUILDINGS.
it was all about imba.
idra if u are reading it "contgratz in wasting ur whole live in thing u have no talent for" A VERY USEFUL TALENT TOI HAVE.
Awesome games from both players Great job to Idra for being a bit more mannered than usual and showing how much he improved Congratulations to Nony for advancing and great strategies against Idra
Idra really impressed me throughout this tournament. He's an incredible player with amazing control. I wasn't a big fan of his going in, but I now really enjoy watching him play. All that is to say:
Ok, so i'm not satisfied with any result in Ro8. ANY! (ok kinda satisfied by Mondi's performance but i realy wished Fenix to take this) Plus i won't see TvZ or TvP this TSL anymore
i think actually that iDrA is one of the most overestimated players. his play has shown no creativity. Nony absolutely deserved the win for taking risks and just an amazing play
oh god i am so happy right now. this in my eyes basically proved that being naturally talented and manner always gets ur farther being arrogant and massgame
oh god i am so happy right now. this in my eyes basically proved that being naturally talented and manner always gets ur farther being arrogant and massgame
im a proud nony fan for a solid year now i think!
naturally talented...right, whatever that means...and um, manner, certainly help to win games go see an optometrist
oh god i am so happy right now. this in my eyes basically proved that being naturally talented and manner always gets ur farther being arrogant and massgame
im a proud nony fan for a solid year now i think!
naturally talented...right, whatever that means...and um, manner, certainly help to win games go see an optometrist
Forgive my ignorance, but what does this mean for the test of the TSL? I am fairly new to the Starcraft scene, so I am not too familiar with all the players. I just knew that Nony and Idra were both favorites to win, making this a really big match. Does Nony winning this mean he is the favorite to win? Or is it pretty "up in the air"?
What was the point of going fast c.c. Idra has better mechanics and macro.. GOD they didn't play one straight up game... why Idra... why'd you do it? poop.. poop head... poop comin out your mouth... (anchor man)
On February 15 2010 08:32 Tfact_rats wrote: What was the point of going fast c.c. Idra has better mechanics and macro.. GOD they didn't play one straight up game... why Idra... why'd you do it? poop.. poop head... poop comin out your mouth... (anchor man)
Idra is a very smart guy, there is no doubt about that. With that in mind, I really don't think that Idra was in the position to simply use his mechanics to win the series. Why? Not because of anything I have witnessed, but because of how he played the games. You guys need to keep in mind that Nony wasn't the only one going for unorthodox strategies. Idra did his share of fast expanding and of course the quick starport. I simply refuse to believe that if Idra was as confident in his mechanics being vastly superior as you guys make it sound. If he knew that was all it was gonna take to win, he would have just played standard. But he didn't. So given that we know he was playing to win, we can conclude he did not think relying on mechanics was the best way to do so.
It was obvious that Idra knew he was gonna have to play to win to beat Nony. Doesn't the fact that Idra basically just steamrolled his way through the bracket with standard play, yet made very big changes to his game in this series indicate that he knew it was a different scenario? It wouldn't surprise me if Idra was watching Nony stream almost every time he was. I knew if I was is Idra's position, whether I was confident or not, I would watch Nony's stream for any possible incite into his playstyle, strengths, weaknesses, current shape...Anything I could. And I think it was based on Nony's streaming that he chose to play the way he did.
To conclude my thoughts, this was not some kind of randomized cheese by Nony winning a series. Idra also made the choice to spice up his game. And he wouldn't make a choice to put himself at a disadvantage.
my respect for idra has risen so much, he gg'd in every game, and didnt do the same robotic shit, he KNEW he'd have to step up his game to win, unfortunately there was some bad luck and blunders involved IdrA has a hardcore fan now though and i was always a nony fan <3
I was thinking Idra would win this and when i saw the play i was very impressed by Idra.. but nony blew my mind especially on game 3, he just got himself a new fan
i would love to see a Mondragon vs NonY finals. but first Mondragon has to beat Sen in a zvsz. and thats not exactly his best mu. anyway he doesnt seem to play p against zergs anymore and his zvz is way better than it used to be back then. and anyone who can beat sAviOr should be capable of beating Sen as well.
On February 15 2010 08:52 iNviSible.yunO wrote: i would love to see a Mondragon vs NonY finals. but first Mondragon has to beat Sen in a zvsz. and thats not exactly his best mu. anyway he doesnt seem to play p against zergs anymore and his zvz is way better than it used to be back then. and anyone who can beat sAviOr should be cabable of beating Sen as well.
who gives a shit, people would have probably said his ZvT is his worst MU right now and look what hes shown us.... Mondi has the chance to earn 10k, Im pretty sure he is hungry for the money and preparing his ass off. And when a genius like mondi starts to practice like a machine Im pretty sure he can put up a phenomenal showing, regardless of the MU.
OMG i laughed so hard watching this live. It was even funnier than artosis and tasteless didn't make any comment at all about this, they just keep going. I was hoping someone took a SS to this because they'll obviously edit it for the VODs.
OMG i laughed so hard watching this live. It was even funnier than artosis and tasteless didn't make any comment at all about this, they just keep going. I was hoping someone took a SS to this because they'll obviously edit it for the VODs.
OMG i laughed so hard watching this live. It was even funnier than artosis and tasteless didn't make any comment at all about this, they just keep going. I was hoping someone took a SS to this because they'll obviously edit it for the VODs.
Probably because they couldn't see it. Private message is private. Also they control their own POV not watch Carnac's.
OMG i laughed so hard watching this live. It was even funnier than artosis and tasteless didn't make any comment at all about this, they just keep going. I was hoping someone took a SS to this because they'll obviously edit it for the VODs.
On February 15 2010 08:52 iNviSible.yunO wrote: i would love to see a Mondragon vs NonY finals. but first Mondragon has to beat Sen in a zvsz. and thats not exactly his best mu. anyway he doesnt seem to play p against zergs anymore and his zvz is way better than it used to be back then. and anyone who can beat sAviOr should be capable of beating Sen as well.
OMG i laughed so hard watching this live. It was even funnier than artosis and tasteless didn't make any comment at all about this, they just keep going. I was hoping someone took a SS to this because they'll obviously edit it for the VODs.
Probably because they couldn't see it. Private message is private. Also they control their own POV not watch Carnac's.
oooh i'm dumb, you're totally right it was on carnac's screen. anyway it was so funny
On February 15 2010 10:59 hacpee wrote: I was kinda frustrated by the commentary, especially by tasteless. He tries to overdo the excitement a bit and it gets in the way of analysis.
the fuck? the analysis was fine. most of us understand the game enough anyway and would like some entertainment from time to time.
hence why I enjoy watching the Korean pro matches with Korean commentary even though I don't understand any of it... the energy makes for a more engaging/exciting viewing, even if they over-do it a bit at times.
Can anyone with a 100% copy of Idra vs nony ro8 seed the torrent for about a half hour? Once i get a full copy ill let it upload for a day or two. Thanks!
On February 15 2010 12:30 agarfin wrote: Can anyone with a 100% copy of Idra vs nony ro8 seed the torrent for about a half hour? Once i get a full copy ill let it upload for a day or two. Thanks!
The only person with a full copy right now is the original seeder & uploader. You just have to wait...
On February 15 2010 10:59 hacpee wrote: I was kinda frustrated by the commentary, especially by tasteless. He tries to overdo the excitement a bit and it gets in the way of analysis.
No way. Tasteless and Artosis have great commentary and I don't see how he overdoes the excitement. He is watching it just like we are and is getting excited about critical events just as most of us are. They analyze the crap out of every match and some of the goofy things they say is quite entertaining.
OMG i laughed so hard watching this live. It was even funnier than artosis and tasteless didn't make any comment at all about this, they just keep going. I was hoping someone took a SS to this because they'll obviously edit it for the VODs.
Probably because they couldn't see it. Private message is private. Also they control their own POV not watch Carnac's.
oooh i'm dumb, you're totally right it was on carnac's screen. anyway it was so funny
I don't know about all this "Nony won because of cheese" business... I mean I'm terran and I hate early game protoss cheese just as much as anyone else but Nony wasn't even trying to cheese as much as he did. Sure he proxied on destination (really don't know why IdrA didn't wall ) but he made the conscious decision to psyche IdrA out after that by building a second proxy. Call it cheese but it's cheese I wouldn't have the guts to pull or the brains to think of. And game 5 was a complete adaptation to IdrA's Barracks FE. Nony even said he wanted that to be the macro game everyone was expecting, but he had to change his gameplan because of what IdrA did.
I'd say adjusting your plan and thinking outside the box are just as much part of a players skill as execution of "standard builds" and Nony impressed me by not being afraid to try out things he hadn't planned for. He analyzed his situation in-game and made a smart decision about his next move, and I'd say IdrA didn't do that (game 1 maybe being the exception but I think IdrA predicted that before the game even). Heck, IdrA just gave up game 2 because something out of the ordinary occured! And like Nony said, had he stayed he may have caught a glimpse of Nony's counter. IdrA -> bad calls in unusual situation, Nony -> smart calls in unusual situations. At least that's my take
On February 15 2010 15:16 Xxio wrote: he went there in his prime and couldn't make it. and why do you think he's the best foreigner? chill out
LMFAO, dude seriously why dont u go to SCforall.com and check all the videos NoNy-related and educate urself a bit about it, cuz to be honest u just sound weak and lame when u have no idea of what u talking about
On February 15 2010 15:16 Xxio wrote: he went there in his prime and couldn't make it. and why do you think he's the best foreigner? chill out
LMFAO, dude seriously why dont u go to SCforall.com and check all the videos NoNy-related and educate urself a bit about it, cuz to be honest u just sound weak and lame when u have no idea of what u talking about
Yeah it pisses me off when people can't just shut it instead of talking out of their ass =(
On the related note, vods are up on youtube, but you might have to search for each game separately.
edit: I take it back maybe, Outsider SE and Fighting Spirit can't be found for me.
On February 15 2010 08:52 iNviSible.yunO wrote: i would love to see a Mondragon vs NonY finals. but first Mondragon has to beat Sen in a zvsz. and thats not exactly his best mu. anyway he doesnt seem to play p against zergs anymore and his zvz is way better than it used to be back then. and anyone who can beat sAviOr should be capable of beating Sen as well.
idra/nony was a pretty sick series and all the trashtalk really made it that much better
anyway are chill/day9 are commentating the finals? they complement each other pretty much perfectly and provide more actual starcraft commentary than tasteless/artosis
On February 16 2010 00:34 saxena_j wrote: idra/nony was a pretty sick series and all the trashtalk really made it that much better
anyway are chill/day9 are commentating the finals? they complement each other pretty much perfectly and provide more actual starcraft commentary than tasteless/artosis
yeah chill and day9 are a waaaaayyy better commentator than tastosis, they just are so self confident and idra biased right now.
On February 15 2010 08:47 TheAntZ wrote: my respect for idra has risen so much, he gg'd in every game, and didnt do the same robotic shit, he KNEW he'd have to step up his game to win, unfortunately there was some bad luck and blunders involved IdrA has a hardcore fan now though and i was always a nony fan <3
I was rooting for Nony in this series because of Idra's history. Everyone always said "oh, if you'd met him in person blah blah," and I thought that was a lame excuse.
Here, however, I was totally proven wrong -- Idra gged on every game (and Nony didn't!). Beyond that he played interesting build orders, and he showed off some really impressive marine micro on Destination.
I've always wanted to root for Idra as the one foreigner (and fellow American!) in Korea, but the manner thing always stopped me. After this series, definitely an Idra fan.
In other news, Nony clearly likes attacking with early dragoons in PvT. We've now seen it twice on Destination (Tarson, Idra), and once on Fighting Spirit. You don't really see anything more than a token potshot at a supply depot in the pro scene, however. I assume that's because the Terran has a "theoretical win" if their micro is good enough. That said, is there any foreigner whose micro is that good? I guess it doesn't matter with no Terrans left in TSL2.
On February 16 2010 00:34 saxena_j wrote: idra/nony was a pretty sick series and all the trashtalk really made it that much better
anyway are chill/day9 are commentating the finals? they complement each other pretty much perfectly and provide more actual starcraft commentary than tasteless/artosis
yeah chill and day9 are a waaaaayyy better commentator than tastosis, they just are so self confident and idra biased right now.
I like tasteless/artossis more! They are at least funny , not just boring analysis
btw What is Idra trying in korea if he could´nt defeat non-korean?
Agree! Tastosis is totally up my alley in terms of commentating. I don't mind chill either, but I really can't get myself to like day's ways^^;. Starcraft analysis is great but when you get stuck for 2 minutes to talk about how one overlord is moving slightly downward and how that player's so much better because of it I roll my eyes. Especially when the next game the other player's overlord is the better one =P. Not saying he doesn't have a point, just not the kind of "in depth" commentary I'd like to hear. I cherish the contributions from all four though!
On February 16 2010 00:45 oberon wrote: Here, however, I was totally proven wrong -- Idra gged on every game (and Nony didn't!). --oberon
Nony got disconnected... he didn't leave without gg'ing
In fact, you could say that he was really gm about the whole thing since he agreed to concede the loss because he was far behind.
I must've skipped the part of the cast where that was mentioned. Thanks for clearing that up -- it did seem like a somewhat early tap-out, though Idra had a major advantage.
What a weird series -- a Brtiney Spears build ("Oops! I pressed on escape!"), a disconnect, a hard BO counter, and two extraordinarily successful proxies.
On February 16 2010 01:54 abyss wrote: btw What is Idra trying in korea if he could´nt defeat non-korean?
Seriously? Playing against another top foreigner who has previously played in Korea, he loses 3-2 with the losses being an accidental tap of escape (admittedly the BOs weren't looking great for him at that point) and two proxies, and you question what he's doing in Korea?
On February 16 2010 01:54 abyss wrote: btw What is Idra trying in korea if he could´nt defeat non-korean?
Seriously? Playing against another top foreigner who has previously played in Korea, he loses 3-2 with the losses being an accidental tap of escape (admittedly the BOs weren't looking great for him at that point) and two proxies, and you question what he's doing in Korea?
--oberon
Have you seen good pros playing against top foreigners? It's lolrape every single game. Remember Sea playing in TL Attack against Cloud and JF? It was not even funny, the gap skill was so incredibly huge that he was building marines against Cloud's carriers. Marines!
IdrA is good. After three years playing like a zombie 12 hours a day, you shouldn't be good anymore. You should be a fucking killing machine.
The bos don't explain everything. Look at the game on Outsider. With the scouting information he had, Idra could have played much more safe, get an ebay etc... I don't believe that Sea would have been even bothered by Nony's build.
The last game was nothing lucky from Nony. Nony saw the build, made a grossproxy and ran over Idra. If you don't know what to do when your opponent reacts by going all in against your build, you don't master your build. Period.
Now I don't see Flash canceling his CC in OSL final. It just doesn't happen. You'll tell me that Jaedong canceled a spire once, so it can happen, but that's not bad luck. That's a fucking enormous mistake.
On February 16 2010 02:38 Feefee wrote: Agree! Tastosis is totally up my alley in terms of commentating. I don't mind chill either, but I really can't get myself to like day's ways^^;. Starcraft analysis is great but when you get stuck for 2 minutes to talk about how one overlord is moving slightly downward and how that player's so much better because of it I roll my eyes. Especially when the next game the other player's overlord is the better one =P. Not saying he doesn't have a point, just not the kind of "in depth" commentary I'd like to hear. I cherish the contributions from all four though!
Ditto. I love that for the Day[9] Daily but during the game, I don't care about this. I'm watching it with a friend and watching things blow up. Talk about panda bear guys and give clues as to the big stuff of the game and I'll watch your analysis later after you've seen the whole game to understand it.
Also, I like how this series just totally ended all of the "how do you counter bunker expand" thread. Myth busted. Thank you Nony, I will use that counter well.
Nony saw the build, made a grossproxy and ran over Idra. If you don't know what to do when your opponent reacts by going all in against your build, you don't master your build. Period. [/QUOTE]
Exactly, it was not a proxy in my eyes, it's a counter build. And it's a genius counter. Just like the vulture drop that Idra did game 1. It didn't start as a proxy, but he scouted, saw his chance, and unleashed a great counter.
On February 16 2010 01:54 abyss wrote: btw What is Idra trying in korea if he could´nt defeat non-korean?
Seriously? Playing against another top foreigner who has previously played in Korea, he loses 3-2 with the losses being an accidental tap of escape (admittedly the BOs weren't looking great for him at that point) and two proxies, and you question what he's doing in Korea?
--oberon
Have you seen good pros playing against top foreigners? It's lolrape every single game. Remember Sea playing in TL Attack against Cloud and JF? It was not even funny, the gap skill was so incredibly huge that he was building marines against Cloud's carriers. Marines!
IdrA is good. After three years playing like a zombie 12 hours a day, you shouldn't be good anymore. You should be a fucking killing machine.
The bos don't explain everything. Look at the game on Outsider. With the scouting information he had, Idra could have played much more safe, get an ebay etc... I don't believe that Sea would have been even bothered by Nony's build.
The last game was nothing lucky from Nony. Nony saw the build, made a grossproxy and ran over Idra. If you don't know what to do when your opponent reacts by going all in against your build, you don't master your build. Period.
Now I don't see Flash canceling his CC in OSL final. It just doesn't happen. You'll tell me that Jaedong canceled a spire once, so it can happen, but that's not bad luck. That's a fucking enormous mistake.
And if Idra played JF or Cloud, he probably would've raped them too.
Look, I'm not an Idra fanboy but you have to realize what a tactical and mechanical genius Nony is. Nony prepares for his matches and he does so with an instinct that is more often than not spot-on. He regularly beats Korean A-/A players on ICCUP and that just shows how dominant his mechanics are, and I personally think that he is very much a favorite to win this tournament.
Idra is also not on Sea's level - he's a B-teamer, albeit one of the best B-teamers in CJ. Plus he made a stupid mistake, one that will probably be laughed about for the rest of his career. It's not like his training didn't pay off, either, but you can't expect him to do as well as Korean pros simply because he trains in Korea. Talent aside, he's at an obvious disadvantage there not being able to speak Korean.
Idra had unlucky scouting on desti and the last game by just missing the PROXY gates. Also with game 2 mistake I honestly see it more as bad luck then a win from Nony. Proxy gates about each game showed me that he can all in. Idra should have tried to just standard fe him and beat him with better play. I am honestly dissapointed in the games.
On February 16 2010 04:28 Zanric wrote: Idra had unlucky scouting on desti and the last game by just missing the PROXY gates. Also with game 2 mistake I honestly see it more as bad luck then a win from Nony. Proxy gates about each game showed me that he can all in. Idra should have tried to just standard fe him and beat him with better play. I am honestly dissapointed in the games.
In game 5 I'm pretty certain Idra knew exactly what was up. As his first scout scv went down he sent another out going the long way round (not unluckily missing proxies but deliberately avoiding the centre to scout the main undetected). That scout scv saw pylons, probes cut, no tech and a few hundred minerals missing. Idra may not have seen the gateways but he doesn't need to. He's a good enough player to know what a Protoss base should look like at a given time, Nony's build just hard countered pretty awesomely. Perhaps Idra should have abandoned the nat earlier and siege walled with a view to retaking it off a few tanks.
On February 16 2010 03:08 Biff The Understudy wrote: Now I don't see Flash canceling his CC in OSL final. It just doesn't happen. You'll tell me that Jaedong canceled a spire once, so it can happen, but that's not bad luck. That's a fucking enormous mistake.
Let me see if I am following your argument here:
1. Pros do not make mistakes like canceling a critical building. "It just doesn't happen."
2. OK. Pros can and have made mistakes like canceling critical buildings. "it can happen."
3. But when pros cancel critical buildings it's really bad. "a fucking enormous mistake."
Hmmm...
I said it in the "Idra 3-0" thread, and I'll say it here. People taking pot shots at Idra while he's down need to learn some fucking dignity.
On February 16 2010 03:08 Biff The Understudy wrote: Now I don't see Flash canceling his CC in OSL final. It just doesn't happen. You'll tell me that Jaedong canceled a spire once, so it can happen, but that's not bad luck. That's a fucking enormous mistake.
Let me see if I am following your argument here:
1. Pros do not make mistakes like canceling a critical building. "It just doesn't happen."
2. OK. Pros can and have made mistakes like canceling critical buildings. "it can happen."
3. But when pros cancel critical buildings it's really bad. "a fucking enormous mistake."
Hmmm...
I said it in the "Idra 3-0" thread, and I'll say it here. People taking pot shots at Idra while he's down need to learn some fucking dignity.
Totally agree.. Especially since he was completely manner in this series: a series of games where even I wouldn't have blamed him for just rage-quitting. He "gave up" game 2, and I'm sure at the end of game 5 he must've been thinking to himself "why didn't I play game 2" or "why didn't I just play a regular siege expand?". I can't imagine how hard it must've been for Idra to type gg in that last game and regardless of how much of an ass he may or may not have been in the past, that took alot of self-control and character. Bashing and laughing at someone who just lost at something he's dedicated his life to on the other hand shows someone's character too... and I'd say that's alot worse than any Idra rage I've ever seen.
On February 16 2010 03:08 Biff The Understudy wrote: Now I don't see Flash canceling his CC in OSL final. It just doesn't happen. You'll tell me that Jaedong canceled a spire once, so it can happen, but that's not bad luck. That's a fucking enormous mistake.
Let me see if I am following your argument here:
1. Pros do not make mistakes like canceling a critical building. "It just doesn't happen."
2. OK. Pros can and have made mistakes like canceling critical buildings. "it can happen."
3. But when pros cancel critical buildings it's really bad. "a fucking enormous mistake."
Hmmm...
I said it in the "Idra 3-0" thread, and I'll say it here. People taking pot shots at Idra while he's down need to learn some fucking dignity.
I think he means: Now I don't see Flash canceling his CC in OSL final. It just doesn't happen.
You'll tell me that : "Jaedong canceled a spire once, so it can happen."
But that's not bad luck, that's a fucking enormous mistake.
On February 16 2010 03:08 Biff The Understudy wrote: Now I don't see Flash canceling his CC in OSL final. It just doesn't happen. You'll tell me that Jaedong canceled a spire once, so it can happen, but that's not bad luck. That's a fucking enormous mistake.
Let me see if I am following your argument here:
1. Pros do not make mistakes like canceling a critical building. "It just doesn't happen."
2. OK. Pros can and have made mistakes like canceling critical buildings. "it can happen."
3. But when pros cancel critical buildings it's really bad. "a fucking enormous mistake."
Hmmm...
I said it in the "Idra 3-0" thread, and I'll say it here. People taking pot shots at Idra while he's down need to learn some fucking dignity.
I think he means: Now I don't see Flash canceling his CC in OSL final. It just doesn't happen.
You'll tell me that : "Jaedong canceled a spire once, so it can happen."
But that's not bad luck, that's a fucking enormous mistake.
Yep, I think I made a pretty reasonable summary. But you're right. When you type it out in his words exactly it seems even more ridiculous. I should have taken that tactic.
On February 16 2010 03:08 Biff The Understudy wrote: Now I don't see Flash canceling his CC in OSL final. It just doesn't happen. You'll tell me that Jaedong canceled a spire once, so it can happen, but that's not bad luck. That's a fucking enormous mistake.
Let me see if I am following your argument here:
1. Pros do not make mistakes like canceling a critical building. "It just doesn't happen."
2. OK. Pros can and have made mistakes like canceling critical buildings. "it can happen."
3. But when pros cancel critical buildings it's really bad. "a fucking enormous mistake."
Hmmm...
I said it in the "Idra 3-0" thread, and I'll say it here. People taking pot shots at Idra while he's down need to learn some fucking dignity.
I think he means: Now I don't see Flash canceling his CC in OSL final. It just doesn't happen.
You'll tell me that : "Jaedong canceled a spire once, so it can happen."
But that's not bad luck, that's a fucking enormous mistake.
Yep, I think I made a pretty reasonable summary. But you're right. When you type it out in his words exactly it seems even more ridiculous. I should have taken that tactic.
Yeah, he kinda contradicted himself with 1st and last statement.
But what about Ra vs Jf series? I think that were also really amazing and entertaining games.
But , here is the thought about Ra - in all his good manners and solid skill level - i think he is just lacking of this "spark" of unique talent. Hes very solid, always well prepared player - but he just dont have this something special that distinguishes the good player from amazing one.
I think that the good comparison in korean pro scane would be Much in his CJ times (cose now he just sucks) He was always there, always playing for his team - often winning games - but he never - JUST NEVER made anyting really beath taking. Unfortunately - since i really like this guy a lot - i think that Wtite_Ra is something like Much of foreign scene.
On February 16 2010 05:26 SD-Spirit wrote: Congrats to Nony.
But what about Ra vs Jf series? I think that were also really amazing and entertaining games.
But , here is the thought about Ra - in all his good manners and solid skill level - i think he is just lacking of this "spark" of unique talent. Hes very solid, always well prepared player - but he just dont have this something special that distinguishes the good player from amazing one.
I think that the good comparison in korean pro scane would be Much in his CJ times (cose now he just sucks) He was always there, always playing for his team - often winning games - but he never - JUST NEVER made anyting really beath taking. Unfortunately - since i really like this guy a lot - i think that Wtite_Ra is something like Much of foreign scene.
White-Ra has done a couple of amazing things, like defeating Boxer on TV. What's special about him, aside from his manners, is that he's simply EVERYWHERE and plays a consistently solid game. For this reason he's kind of like the guy to beat for up and coming "prodigies," even though that's not a take-away from him as White-Ra does consistently rank high in the foreigner scene.
Wow, you'd think all the IdrA fans that love him for his arrogance would be understanding when people talk a little trash after he predicted a 3-0 win and claimed that NonY had 0 chance to beat him.
And lol at whoever said the people talking shit about IdrA need to learn "dignity". Hey random IdrA fan, maybe if he would show some respect and humility he wouldn't make himself such a huge target.
But, despite all that, it seems that in the end he HAS learned a little respect since he GG'd every game, but then again, he IS playing someone he considers a friend so I'll take it with a grain of salt.
On February 16 2010 07:13 Belial- wrote: Wow, you'd think all the IdrA fans that love him for his arrogance would be understanding when people talk a little trash after he predicted a 3-0 win and claimed that NonY had 0 chance to beat him.
Idra vs Nony games I wasnt a fan of but JF vs White were great... I wonder how the fifth game of Ra vs Jf would of turned out if Ra hadnt lost his shuttle and reaver
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