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AlTheCake
Canada1071 Posts
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Gnaix
United States438 Posts
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InToTheWannaB
United States4770 Posts
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Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
On September 15 2009 08:52 JWD wrote: I'd argue that there's already an overabundance of English commentary on non-GOM leagues. The demand GOM satisfied wasn't English commentary in general, but live, professional (in terms of mic quality, the casters' presence at GOM's studio), and conveniently available English commentary. I am downplaying GOM's importance a bit, so I'd like to check myself by saying that, especially after reading all of the comments from new BW fans who were drawn by the tournament, I agree that it's been the most significant development in the foreign BW scene in the past few years. GOM bridged the gap between foreigner and Korean like no other tournament. Exactly. GOM brings in people who otherwise would never watch or play starcraft. They were willing to drop a lot of money (building a studio, hiring people who actually sound professional) to target a market that Korea has otherwise been totally unable or unwilling to tap. I don't think you can overstate just how important it was that they made actual headway into hitting the foreign market, and its unreal how they were treated by the other businesses. | ||
NeverGG
United Kingdom5399 Posts
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Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
On September 15 2009 08:59 InToTheWannaB wrote: I honestly think the whole thing comes down to this. Kespa wants to be BKespa(The blizzard Korean E-sports association.) The people at Kespa just want to know they will have a job once SC2 comes out. By being a pain in the ass now. They are just hoping Blizzard will rather cut a deal with them rather then fight them. Blizzard likely will too. Kespa has already been doing this a long time, and have all there people in place. Kespa may never again be called "kespa", but i bet at some point blizzard will just uses there infrastructure and slaps there name over it. Given how absolutely incompetent Kespa has been as a governing body over the last year in their own leagues (DQs, the hilarious attempt at "free agency") this seems way less likely than this just being another case of overall ineptitude. | ||
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RyanS
United States620 Posts
We also do not know how the players feel about this. I think the players would be mixed about this. Some might be way too busy to practice for all of the leagues, while other lesser known players might want as many opportunities as possible to show what they have. Or players may want the opportunity to win as much prize money as possible. Of course we as foreign fans want GOM, but maybe the majority of the players do not. If the majority of the players do in fact want this tournament, I think the only way to stop the kespa bullshit is a protest. If all teams/players agreed to just sit in the booths and not play when the games started during proleague regular season then that would get the point across pretty well. I'm not sure if they would ever do something like that or if everyone would agree with it though. | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8551 Posts
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hiro protagonist
1294 Posts
I think what JWD said about the teams backing down as apposed to kespa interfering seems more realistic. with so many leagues, and proleague becoming so important that every match maters, there is just no room for another league without it hindering the players involved. you could tell by the end of GOM season 3 that some players were stressed to the max, and GOM was last on the list of important things. Now, if GOM could become a league for B teamers (who have much more time on there hands and could do with the experience of some TV matches) that would be fucking great! | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On September 15 2009 07:00 Chill wrote: This is circular logic, based on the assumption that they were formed to promote e-sports. It is my position that they weren't, so they have no responsibility to promote e-sports, and they have no resposibility to act positively with competition. We can speculate all we want. Being nice and letting Blizzard into the Korean market now isn't going to affect Blizzard's actions with SC2. Business isn't nice. If they're going to get muscled out of SC2, they need ground to stand on, which they've maintained. Situation 1: KeSPA works with Blizzard now. Blizzard takes some of their market. SC2 comes out and Blizzard takes the remaining majority of their market. Situation 2: KeSPA denies Blizzard. SC2 comes out and progamers have to make a choice of being on an SC1 team or a completely separate SC2 team. Situation 2 is way better for KeSPA, which is what they've done. Why would you expect them to lie down when Blizzard has done nothing to get these leagues going, and is only now showing up trying to capitalize. As far as I've understood it, Blizzard has no interest in actually taking over ALL of it - they just want a cut. I mean, if that was the case, then *of course* they'd have to fight, but as best I understand this is nowhere near what is happening. Of course, it's all speculation as you said... If they didn't decide to go to war with Blizzard, they would still have OSL and MSL, and those leagues would STILL be the top dogs. GOM is small in Korea - why would things be so different for SC2? Now they are faced with a situation where instead of a setback they could be faced with total collapse... | ||
JWD
United States12607 Posts
On September 15 2009 09:29 NeverGG wrote: That's a shame - GOM was a step in the right direction for giving foreign fans more access to the Korean proscene. I hope it manages to continue some form of league in the future. I can't get onto the 'fuck Kespa' band wagon myself because even though I don't agree with some of their recent policies (Especially FA and ceremonies.) they've given me press passes continually and been very supportive of my work here. It's not exactly heroic of KeSPA to support volunteer work that is obviously in its self-interest. | ||
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sYz-Adrenaline
United States1850 Posts
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NeverGG
United Kingdom5399 Posts
On September 15 2009 10:05 JWD wrote: It's not exactly heroic of KeSPA to support volunteer work that is obviously in its self-interest. How is it in their self-interest? I don't work for them or any of their sites. To me personally, it's been a massive help. Also it's not always volunteer work. I'm currently interning with Fomos and working for TL.net. Without Kespa's help I would not have been able to cover any of the finals for the last two years. | ||
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eMbrace
United States1300 Posts
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IntoTheWow
is awesome32269 Posts
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Chill
Calgary25963 Posts
On September 15 2009 10:36 NeverGG wrote: How is it in their self-interest? I don't work for them or any of their sites. To me personally, it's been a massive help. Also it's not always volunteer work. I'm currently interning with Fomos and working for TL.net. Without Kespa's help I would not have been able to cover any of the finals for the last two years. KeSPA gave you a pass to cover their event. How is that anything to be thankful for? It's like a company allowing a news reporter to interview them. | ||
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NeverGG
United Kingdom5399 Posts
On September 15 2009 11:04 Chill wrote: KeSPA gave you a pass to cover their event. How is that anything to be thankful for? It's like a company allowing a news reporter to interview them. I *knew* you'd have to chime in about this. I'm thankful for it and I'd like to hope that some people here on TL.net are too. If you're not thankful for the time, money and effort I've put into getting those press passes and reporting on my free time for TL then maybe it's easier for me not to bother in the future. Some of the moderation staff here are very helpful, but you seem to feel the need to comment about anything I say that doesn't fit your views and then blame me for your lack of support towards someone who is volunteering to help TL in the best way she can. Would you rather they didn't help me and then we had no photo coverage? Not everything about Kespa is bad - they just make some terrible decisions regarding the actual leagues. | ||
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Chill
Calgary25963 Posts
On September 15 2009 11:08 NeverGG wrote: I *knew* you'd have to chime in about this. I'm thankful for it and I'd like to hope that some people here on TL.net are too. If you're not thankful for the time, money and effort I've put into getting those press passes and reporting on my free time for TL then maybe it's easier for me not to bother in the future. Some of the moderation staff here are very helpful, but you seem to feel the need to comment about anything I say that doesn't fit your views. Would you rather they didn't help me and then we had no photo coverage? Not everything about Kespa is bad - they just make some terrible decisions regarding the actual leagues. I like your pictures. I comment positively often on them. I commented once negatively and you've never let it go. That being said, I don't see how you feel like you owe anything to kespa. You're doing all the legwork. You should feel like kespa owes you something, not the other way around. | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
It is in KeSPA's best interest to help you cover their events as best they can tho. It's totally understandable why you would personally feel grateful for it, and I think everyone appreciates the results of it all, but it is not an altruistic act (by KeSPA). | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
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