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Mr.Ch4rms
Canada84 Posts
i liked gomTV because it introduced me to the pro scene after playing the game casually for so many years, and free english content for korea esports is what this is about for me. as to blizzard and kepsa hwaiting... well, this is where you are going to see the SC:BW vs SC:II fiascos develope, weither or not one or the other becomes or stays dominate will determine the victor. blizzard hwaiting btw. | ||
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Dental Floss
United States1015 Posts
Who knows how many foreign fans and potential SC2 players are never going to discover the e-sports scene as a result of this. Bad for the fans, bad for the industry, bad for kespa, and bad for starcraft! | ||
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Mykill
Canada3402 Posts
lets just play w/o em  | ||
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Dametri
United States726 Posts
It seems to me that gomtv did way more for the foreign community than just about anything else that's happened in the past... 9 years or so (as evidenced by the tens of thousands of views of season 2 videos). I'd love to hear from these types of fans exactly how they feel about watching games between foreigners with english commentary. The future of SC lies with the foreign community (or so I feel), and gomtv has been the best thing for the foreign community since SC's inception (and still could be if there is enough interest in foreigners playing each other ) | ||
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Too_MuchZerg
Finland2818 Posts
On September 15 2009 04:44 StarBrift wrote: This is bullshit. GOM in the only league that keeps evolving into something more unique every season (English cast, unit counting station, live world wide streaming etc). They are the pioneers of Esports in korea at the moment. KeSPA is indeed on very thin ice if they really engineered this downfall. KeSPA exists like any other company to serve the greater purpose of putting a good enough product out to the customers. We, the customers, are KeSPA's source of revenue. WIthout the fans they would be sleeping in cardboard boxes outside their office complexes. If they keep angering their customers like this they WILL pay for it in the end. Some day another organisation will challenge KeSPA (korean or world wide) and their customers will have small love for them when the time comes for chosing. The only chance KeSPA has of holding on to this market with these kinds of shenanigans is to lick government ass as long and as thouroughly as they possibly can. In a way it's funny. They have a product that could be marketed world wide with great success. Despite of this they are set in tunnelvision on their little domestic market and make small efforts to actually improving the product. If they would try to work things out with blizzard instead of competing they could been hugely successful. Blizzard could easily pull the plug on this entire thing. Only allow GOM to profit from their copyrighted material and watch KeSPA crash and burn. If the korean government then put an end to GOM aswell then fine. They just lost a huge industry alltogether (trust me they wont). Well do OGN or MBCGame want to make separate streams for english viewers? I don't think its KeSPA to decide. | ||
GTR
51324 Posts
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Disarray
United States1164 Posts
On September 15 2009 06:00 GTR wrote: anyone who joins the kespa-hate bandwagon has no idea what really is happening. do go on | ||
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FakeKisser
United States159 Posts
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Vec
United States69 Posts
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BrodiaQ
United States892 Posts
On September 15 2009 06:00 GTR wrote: anyone who joins the kespa-hate bandwagon has no idea what really is happening. You can't just say that then not explain. Come on, I'm on the edge of my seat! | ||
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Eury
Sweden1126 Posts
On September 15 2009 06:00 GTR wrote: anyone who joins the kespa-hate bandwagon has no idea what really is happening. If you are going to make such a statement a good thing would be to have some actual content in your post. | ||
Chill
Calgary25963 Posts
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Alizee-
United States845 Posts
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Masq
Canada1792 Posts
On September 15 2009 05:49 Dametri wrote: Lot of first-time posters and very low-count posters posting in this thread. The general consensus from them also seems to be "fuck, gomtv is what brought me into e-sports in the first place!" Pretty much, myself and several friends included. | ||
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Hinanawi
United States2250 Posts
It would be like an environmental company dumping toxic waste into the ocean because it makes it cheaper to produce their biodegradable 'eco-friendly' stuff to sell. Sure, it helps their company's bottom line, but it's entirely hypocritical and people have a right to be mad about it. At any rate, it's KeSPA's loss in the end, because Starcraft 2 will come out, and KeSPA will either beg like a dog and lick Blizzard's boots for rights to broadcast it, or they'll go out of business while scrambling in futility to try to get Koreans to love some other shitty Korean game as much as they loved Starcraft. And if Blizzard does decide to outsource the tournament-running in Korea instead of doing it themselves, and their choices are KeSPA and GOM, well...lol @ you KeSPA. Hope you enjoyed being relevant while it lasted. | ||
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dobbersp
United States94 Posts
1) English - the language i speak. the language I understand 2) Structure - go to one site. watch games. no youtube hunting, livestream, ustream, etc. 3) Accessible Schedule - its on their site, with a bracket and everything. 4) Regularity - every sunday mornin (pretty much) games were broadcast. 5) Good Commentators - high quality announcers added to the excitement and understanding of the game. You put something like that together for foreigners, and the foreigner scene will become much more popular as well. Its a winning formula. | ||
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Chill
Calgary25963 Posts
On September 15 2009 06:28 Hinanawi wrote: I've yet to hear any valid reason for KeSPA's actions from any of its defenders. People say "They're just acting in self-interest, what's so wrong with that?", but their PURPOSE is supposed to be to promote the growth of E-sports. What are you basing that on? Their purpose is to protect their company's interests and nothing else. | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
Even if they have to pay royalties, surely that's better than fucking up the stability of the Korean esports scene to the point where it might not even be viable anymore... | ||
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Hinanawi
United States2250 Posts
On September 15 2009 06:33 Chill wrote: What are you basing that on? Their purpose is to protect their company's interests and nothing else. Nobody's saying they CAN'T work against the growth of e-sports, but people have a right to call them on it when they do, especially when they claim to be an organization that exists to prop up E-sports. I haven't seen anyone here say 'Let's sue KeSPA!', just a bunch of people saying 'KeSPA is fucking terrible', which is a fair opinion. Besides, KeSPA is going to get reamed by Blizzard in the end anyway, like I said. They can enjoy their asshattery for one more year. | ||
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Chill
Calgary25963 Posts
On September 15 2009 06:45 Hinanawi wrote: Nobody's saying they CAN'T work against the growth of e-sports, but people have a right to call them on it when they do, especially when they claim to be an organization that exists to prop up E-sports. I haven't seen anyone here say 'Let's sue KeSPA!', just a bunch of people saying 'KeSPA is fucking terrible', which is a fair opinion. Besides, KeSPA is going to get reamed by Blizzard in the end anyway, like I said. They can enjoy their asshattery for one more year. This is circular logic, based on the assumption that they were formed to promote e-sports. It is my position that they weren't, so they have no responsibility to promote e-sports, and they have no resposibility to act positively with competition. On September 15 2009 06:37 FrozenArbiter wrote: Chill, I'm pretty sure that fighting Blizzard is not in their "best interests". I mean, with how much money they COULD make from SC2 getting big, I can't imagine this shit would be worth it even if they do "win" and get to keep the SC1 scene the way it is. Even if they have to pay royalties, surely that's better than fucking up the stability of the Korean esports scene to the point where it might not even be viable anymore... We can speculate all we want. Being nice and letting Blizzard into the Korean market now isn't going to affect Blizzard's actions with SC2. Business isn't nice. If they're going to get muscled out of SC2, they need ground to stand on, which they've maintained. Situation 1: KeSPA works with Blizzard now. Blizzard takes some of their market. SC2 comes out and Blizzard takes the remaining majority of their market. Situation 2: KeSPA denies Blizzard. SC2 comes out and progamers have to make a choice of being on an SC1 team or a completely separate SC2 team. Situation 2 is way better for KeSPA, which is what they've done. Why would you expect them to lie down when Blizzard has done nothing to get these leagues going, and is only now showing up trying to capitalize. | ||
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