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shalafi
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FastEddieV
United States614 Posts
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Foucault
Sweden2826 Posts
On September 14 2009 17:47 p4NDemik wrote: Honestly I won't miss the tournament as a whole very much - there's just so many games being played when PL/MSL/OSL all get running at full speed, and GOM was never something I would make time to watch. Same here. I never watched GOM besides first seasons And actually I got tired very fast of the commentating | ||
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Foucault
Sweden2826 Posts
On September 15 2009 10:05 JWD wrote: It's not exactly heroic of KeSPA to support volunteer work that is obviously in its self-interest. Yeah and Kespa is just this big super-evil corporation that devours everything in it's path. Kespa has done alot of good for korean e-sports as well, something you might want to remember. | ||
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thunk
United States6233 Posts
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HiOT
Sweden1000 Posts
 So Kespa and Blizzard can't agree? How the fuck could SCII be a major hit i Korea? I really hope blizzard plugs b.net in a grand final. And show that No-one fucks with our favorite company of all time. But I don't think blizzard cares that they loose Gomtv money due to their money milking of WoW. | ||
KwarK
United States41931 Posts
On September 15 2009 07:00 Chill wrote: This is circular logic, based on the assumption that they were formed to promote e-sports. It is my position that they weren't, so they have no responsibility to promote e-sports, and they have no resposibility to act positively with competition. We can speculate all we want. Being nice and letting Blizzard into the Korean market now isn't going to affect Blizzard's actions with SC2. Business isn't nice. If they're going to get muscled out of SC2, they need ground to stand on, which they've maintained. Situation 1: KeSPA works with Blizzard now. Blizzard takes some of their market. SC2 comes out and Blizzard takes the remaining majority of their market. Situation 2: KeSPA denies Blizzard. SC2 comes out and progamers have to make a choice of being on an SC1 team or a completely separate SC2 team. Situation 2 is way better for KeSPA, which is what they've done. Why would you expect them to lie down when Blizzard has done nothing to get these leagues going, and is only now showing up trying to capitalize. Because ultimately KeSPA don't have the power in this argument. They're using their nuclear option by taking away the players but Blizzard can up the licensing fee beyond their range if they want. As someone already put it, KeSPA said "we don't like it so we're gonna take our ball and go home when Blizzard can just go fine, we'll take your court home with us". Being able to establish a virtual monopoly on the players is impressive but having a real monopoly on the game itself is better. We'll see how long the players boycott GOM if Blizzard refuses to renew the license for OGN and MBC to broadcast Starcraft. | ||
zatic
Zurich15310 Posts
On September 15 2009 21:20 Kwark wrote: Because ultimately KeSPA don't have the power in this argument. They're using their nuclear option by taking away the players but Blizzard can up the licensing fee beyond their range if they want. It's funny how people think OGN / MBC / Kespa actually pay Blizzard for broadcasting rights. I don't have any definite confirmation on whether they do or not, but I don't think they pay a dime. They just do it. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia12799 Posts
Kespa has way more to lose than Blizzard here and needs to exercise a bit more thought imo. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia12799 Posts
It's pretty much the same reason they shut down Game-i back in the day. | ||
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zatic
Zurich15310 Posts
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NonY
8748 Posts
If KeSPA has competition in SC2, and that competition might include Blizzard themselves as they prepare to host their own leagues, then KeSPA could definitely be muscled out. But right now, there isn't really any muscling out going on because they're not in competition right now. The terms of their ongoing relationship could be adjusted but it's too fragile. | ||
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wiesel
Germany727 Posts
On September 15 2009 21:49 zatic wrote: I believe it when I see it. You guys should never underestimate the _huge_ costs and risks involved in actually dragging Kespa (a state backed organization) to the courts. It's not like Blizzard can just force them to stop because they don't like it. I don't think a korean court would ever allow Blizzard to force a stop on Tv rights. And afaik Blizzard can't lead a process from the united states. | ||
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Khenra
Netherlands885 Posts
The professional English casting made it a special league. Now there won't be any league I can follow, except for some random games commentated by the amateur casters (which do a GREAT job, by the way). The games are fun to watch, but what I'm missing is the spirit of the competition as a whole. Who will advance, who will face Flash, etc. All in all, this would be a great miss! | ||
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DefMatrixUltra
Canada1992 Posts
The GOM Starcraft tournaments are... stay with me here... Starcraft tournaments. Even if 'no team takes them seriously', we still get some very good games out of them. For those of you that dislike the commentary: 1. Turn the sound down. 2. New players (and I don't mean players that finally got C+ either...) start out by watching these tournaments. That's how a lot of people get into progaming these days. You have to start somewhere, and English commentary is a really good place to start. The Starcraft community can only benefit from GOM's efforts. | ||
JWD
United States12607 Posts
In the context he used it, "as of now" could not have been interpreted to mean "pending", so I can't see this as anything but a weak attempt to back down from his previous statements. Edit: I see this tweet is already in the OP! | ||
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KwarK
United States41931 Posts
On September 15 2009 21:40 zatic wrote: It's funny how people think OGN / MBC / Kespa actually pay Blizzard for broadcasting rights. I don't have any definite confirmation on whether they do or not, but I don't think they pay a dime. They just do it. Starcraft belongs to Blizzard, I don't know if they do get licensing fees but they have the right to charge them. KeSPA can't legally profit from the sale of someone elses intellectual property without their consent. | ||
Bockit
Sydney2287 Posts
EDIT: @JWD's 'as of now' analysis | ||
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Frits
11782 Posts
On September 15 2009 23:26 JWD wrote: One more tweet from Daniel Lee: "I just want to point out that I said 'as of now' meaning it's pending, nothing was stated on the record." In the context he used it, "as of now" could not have been interpreted to mean "pending", so I can't see this as anything but a weak attempt to back down from his previous statements. Edit: I see this is already in the OP! ya thats what i figured as well | ||
Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
On September 15 2009 22:01 Liquid`NonY wrote: If KeSPA has competition in SC2, and that competition might include Blizzard themselves as they prepare to host their own leagues, then KeSPA could definitely be muscled out. But right now, there isn't really any muscling out going on because they're not in competition right now. The terms of their ongoing relationship could be adjusted but it's too fragile. I was under the impression that it was confirmed KeSPA would have competition for SC2. I'm reasonably sure Daniel said explicitly in a cast over the spring/summer (trying to remember where, Valor maybe?) that Blizzard was planning on organizing everything worldwide themselves and leaving Korean governing bodies in the dust. We also know Blizzard has a 10 man "esports team" or whatever which might support that (or maybe its really just 12 Karunes to post on rumor forums LOL). | ||
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