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I hope SC2 overshadows BW in all aspects but BW is 'still' very exciting to watch especially when new maps roll out from time to time.
I think that its partly the pro-players fault for not speaking out; they never say anything but bland scripted stuff all the time, but then there jobs are on the line due to the relationship between the pro teams & kespa. I mean they never got to say anything about how bad the sham FA system was and just had to live with it so they really are to protective over there jobs.
I think it would take someone like Boxer to speak up on the record for kespa to ever take head as he has the standing to say what he wants. Probably any of the top big names too; Jaedong, Bisu, Flash etc etc etc.
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T.O.P.
Hong Kong4685 Posts
On September 16 2009 08:06 Adeeler wrote:
I hope SC2 overshadows BW in all aspects but BW is 'still' very exciting to watch especially when new maps roll out from time to time.
I think that its partly the pro-players fault for not speaking out; they never say anything but bland scripted stuff all the time, but then there jobs are on the line due to the relationship between the pro teams & kespa. I mean they never got to say anything about how bad the sham FA system was and just had to live with it so they really are to protective over there jobs.
I think it would take someone like Boxer to speak up on the record for kespa to ever take head as he has the standing to say what he wants. Probably any of the top big names too; Jaedong, Bisu, Flash etc etc etc.
Why would the pro players say anything about it. Keeping the GOM tourney alive isn't their priority. If you watched GOM last season, you'll see that most players didn't even care about it. The quality of games were terrible.
Starcraft tv ratings have fallen since 2006, mostly because of the over saturation of starcraft tv. That's why even after killing GOM, Kespa decided to reduce the amount of proleague days from 5 to 4. They hope that starcraft ratings will increase by reducing the amount of bw content there is right now. Maybe then prominent companies will begin to sponsor the MSL again.
If Kespa decides that reducing the amount of games is good for esports, it'll probably be good for progamers too. In that case, players have no reason to want to play in the GOM tourney.
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On September 16 2009 13:44 T.O.P. wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2009 08:06 Adeeler wrote:
I hope SC2 overshadows BW in all aspects but BW is 'still' very exciting to watch especially when new maps roll out from time to time.
I think that its partly the pro-players fault for not speaking out; they never say anything but bland scripted stuff all the time, but then there jobs are on the line due to the relationship between the pro teams & kespa. I mean they never got to say anything about how bad the sham FA system was and just had to live with it so they really are to protective over there jobs.
I think it would take someone like Boxer to speak up on the record for kespa to ever take head as he has the standing to say what he wants. Probably any of the top big names too; Jaedong, Bisu, Flash etc etc etc. Why would the pro players say anything about it. Keeping the GOM tourney alive isn't their priority. If you watched GOM last season, you'll see that most players didn't even care about it. The quality of games were terrible. Starcraft tv ratings have fallen since 2006, mostly because of the over saturation of starcraft tv. That's why even after killing GOM, Kespa decided to reduce the amount of proleague days from 5 to 4. They hope that starcraft ratings will increase by reducing the amount of bw content there is right now. Maybe then prominent companies will begin to sponsor the MSL again. If Kespa decides that reducing the amount of games is good for esports, it'll probably be good for progamers too. In that case, players have no reason to want to play in the GOM tourney.
The largest prize pool, and you think the players didn't care about it? That's ridiculous. If you thought all the games were of low quality, you clearly weren't watching what I was.
Sure, reducing the amount of SC/BW games might be a good idea, but why drop the one that has a GROWING audience, mainly thanks to the English casting? That's biting the hand that feeds you.
And people think SC2 is going to help this. Probably not, for several reasons. First off, there won't be pro gamers who are at the level of SC/BW players for a long time--it takes time to get really good at a new game, even if you've played its predecessor. But before that can even happen, SC2 will need to go through many balance changes, because there's no way it can be as well balanced as a game that has matured over 10+ years. And then it has to be accepted by the gamers, and the community, as a game worthy of the legacy of SC/BW, so pros take the time, networks get the sponsorship, and people watch.
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LOL at some people jumping at kespa's defense, saying they have done good things for esports and starcraft. Fuck no they have not, superdanielman very clearly explained in one of his blogs that everyone who was involved in helping develop starcraft, setting up the drafts, pro licenses, starleagues, proleagues, etc etc are no longer working at kespa, and everybody who is in kespa NOW is a huge douchebag. Alright I added that last part but the point still stands, kespa is a cancer on starcraft.
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NeverGG
United Kingdom5399 Posts
On September 16 2009 15:51 psion0011 wrote:
LOL at some people jumping at kespa's defense, saying they have done good things for esports and starcraft. Fuck no they have not, superdanielman very clearly explained in one of his blogs that everyone who was involved in helping develop starcraft, setting up the drafts, pro licenses, starleagues, proleagues, etc etc are no longer working at kespa, and everybody who is in kespa NOW is a huge douchebag. Alright I added that last part but the point still stands, kespa is a cancer on starcraft.
I'm not going to comment on their policies etc, but it's a bit rich to call these people douche bags when you've never met any of them. I *have* and they're actually very nice people. To the point of escorting me home safely once when we all stayed out very late after WL finals and also one of the referees was told by his boss to make sure I was safe on the subway home after one of the other finals.
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On September 16 2009 15:59 NeverGG wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2009 15:51 psion0011 wrote:
LOL at some people jumping at kespa's defense, saying they have done good things for esports and starcraft. Fuck no they have not, superdanielman very clearly explained in one of his blogs that everyone who was involved in helping develop starcraft, setting up the drafts, pro licenses, starleagues, proleagues, etc etc are no longer working at kespa, and everybody who is in kespa NOW is a huge douchebag. Alright I added that last part but the point still stands, kespa is a cancer on starcraft. I'm not going to comment on their policies etc, but it's a bit rich to call these people douche bags when you've never met any of them. I *have* and they're actually very nice people. To the point of escorting me home safely once when we all stayed out very late after WL finals and also one of the referees was told by his boss to make sure I was safe on the subway home after one of the other finals.
If you goto North Korea and say you are THE GREAT LEADER'S biggest fan, you will also get treathed very well, but that doesnt make the country any better because they are still fucking insane.
But regarding the topic at hand... Blizzard can pull the whole plug on South Korea and just laugh while the money steamrolls from World of Wankers. Blizzard/activision must be the richest gaming company so if they lose south korea they wont go QQ, they would go hmm we are gonna lose "10 mil dollers"..... FUCK THAT we just make another wow expansion, problem solved
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Sweden33719 Posts
On September 16 2009 15:59 NeverGG wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2009 15:51 psion0011 wrote:
LOL at some people jumping at kespa's defense, saying they have done good things for esports and starcraft. Fuck no they have not, superdanielman very clearly explained in one of his blogs that everyone who was involved in helping develop starcraft, setting up the drafts, pro licenses, starleagues, proleagues, etc etc are no longer working at kespa, and everybody who is in kespa NOW is a huge douchebag. Alright I added that last part but the point still stands, kespa is a cancer on starcraft. I'm not going to comment on their policies etc, but it's a bit rich to call these people douche bags when you've never met any of them. I *have* and they're actually very nice people. To the point of escorting me home safely once when we all stayed out very late after WL finals and also one of the referees was told by his boss to make sure I was safe on the subway home after one of the other finals.
I'm pretty sure there are a lot of very nice people working in KeSPA, as you say. It's just unfortunate that the ones making the decisions seem to be... well, idiots =/
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IMO this deserves more rage...
KESPA should be put down like a rabid dog - .-
Who gave them the right to try and monopolize Starcraft as a E-Sport..
And to GOMTV: I can speak only for myself, but I loved your tournaments, and I wish you keep them going, even if it is going to be foreigners. Don't let them bring you down!
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On September 16 2009 21:04 FrozenArbiter wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2009 15:59 NeverGG wrote:
I'm not going to comment on their policies etc, but it's a bit rich to call these people douche bags when you've never met any of them. I *have* and they're actually very nice people. To the point of escorting me home safely once when we all stayed out very late after WL finals and also one of the referees was told by his boss to make sure I was safe on the subway home after one of the other finals. I'm pretty sure there are a lot of very nice people working in KeSPA, as you say. It's just unfortunate that the ones making the decisions seem to be... well, idiots =/
QFT.
Anyways, this is a HUGE dissapointment for me. GOM was the first korean tournament I followed and I just love it. You always get to see huge upsets and lesser known players stepping up and showing their potential, not to mention the value of seeing oldschool players in the booths again (Reach vs Flash hwut?).
I want to see Baby take out Jangbi with some ridiculous dropships again. I want to see Backho stealing series from Stork against all odds again. I wan't to see Shuttle going on a rampage again.
F**k it, I want GOM!
RAAGE!
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On September 16 2009 19:18 hyouro wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2009 15:59 NeverGG wrote:On September 16 2009 15:51 psion0011 wrote:
LOL at some people jumping at kespa's defense, saying they have done good things for esports and starcraft. Fuck no they have not, superdanielman very clearly explained in one of his blogs that everyone who was involved in helping develop starcraft, setting up the drafts, pro licenses, starleagues, proleagues, etc etc are no longer working at kespa, and everybody who is in kespa NOW is a huge douchebag. Alright I added that last part but the point still stands, kespa is a cancer on starcraft. I'm not going to comment on their policies etc, but it's a bit rich to call these people douche bags when you've never met any of them. I *have* and they're actually very nice people. To the point of escorting me home safely once when we all stayed out very late after WL finals and also one of the referees was told by his boss to make sure I was safe on the subway home after one of the other finals. If you goto North Korea and say you are THE GREAT LEADER'S biggest fan, you will also get treathed very well, but that doesnt make the country any better because they are still fucking insane. Did you just compare KeSPA to the North Korean government?
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On September 16 2009 21:04 FrozenArbiter wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2009 15:59 NeverGG wrote:On September 16 2009 15:51 psion0011 wrote:
LOL at some people jumping at kespa's defense, saying they have done good things for esports and starcraft. Fuck no they have not, superdanielman very clearly explained in one of his blogs that everyone who was involved in helping develop starcraft, setting up the drafts, pro licenses, starleagues, proleagues, etc etc are no longer working at kespa, and everybody who is in kespa NOW is a huge douchebag. Alright I added that last part but the point still stands, kespa is a cancer on starcraft. I'm not going to comment on their policies etc, but it's a bit rich to call these people douche bags when you've never met any of them. I *have* and they're actually very nice people. To the point of escorting me home safely once when we all stayed out very late after WL finals and also one of the referees was told by his boss to make sure I was safe on the subway home after one of the other finals. I'm pretty sure there are a lot of very nice people working in KeSPA, as you say. It's just unfortunate that the ones making the decisions seem to be... well, idiots =/
Eliminating competition in its infancy is idiotic?
You'll be great in the business world. As a consumer I'll fully support you.
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On September 16 2009 19:18 hyouro wrote:
But regarding the topic at hand... Blizzard can pull the whole plug on South Korea and just laugh while the money steamrolls from World of Wankers. Blizzard/activision must be the richest gaming company so if they lose south korea they wont go QQ, they would go hmm we are gonna lose "10 mil dollers"..... FUCK THAT we just make another wow expansion, problem solved
Blizzard can't and will not just pull the plug on South Korea. Firstly 4.5 million of the 11 million copies of Starcraft were sold in South Korea. They will be hoping to sell a similar amount if not more of SC2 there. In fact SC's success in SK is probably the biggest reason for them making SC2 in the first place.
If Blizzard can sell 4million copies of SC2 in SK at an average of $20, thats $80 million of revenue not $10million. (also excluding multiplier effects of customers buying other Blizzard products) Blizzard and no other company would ever walk away from this, especially over a dispute like this.
Moreover Blizzard desperately wants e-sports to work for SC2. They want it to go global.
1. People who watch e-sports will buy the game as with SC in SK
2. They want to control the leagues because they've seen that e-sports can generate big revenue models. If it took off globally it could be huge and very profitable. At the very least they would hope to make big money through licencing deals.
The problem is they need SK and the SK leagues to spark interest and kickstart a global takeoff. Therefore to some extent they need Kespa. Thus they will never just pull the plug on SK.
Also does anyone know the development cost for SC2? It would be interesting to know.
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Apologies for my ignorance here, but why is everyone making opinions about an issue they don't understand? I think it goes without speaking that NeverGG knows a ton more about KesPA than a two post forum newbie.
Also, I don't understand: what exactly did KesPa do to GOM besides not sponsoring it? From what the original post says, most teams chose not to participate. I didn't see a word about KeSPA pressure....
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Russian Federation405 Posts
On September 17 2009 01:43 SerpentFlame wrote:
Apologies for my ignorance here, but why is everyone making opinions about an issue they don't understand? I think it goes without speaking that NeverGG knows a ton more about KesPA than a two post forum newbie.
Also, I don't understand: what exactly did KesPa do to GOM besides not sponsoring it? From what the original post says, most teams chose not to participate. I didn't see a word about KeSPA pressure.... You didn’t see a word about KeSPA pressure because there was no pressure from KeSPA. 
It was the decision of teams themselves. The current schedule is too tight.
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Hmm. It seems to me as if it might even be GOM's decision to lay low for a while and wait for SC2.
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Sweden33719 Posts
On September 17 2009 00:00 Nitan wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2009 21:04 FrozenArbiter wrote:On September 16 2009 15:59 NeverGG wrote:On September 16 2009 15:51 psion0011 wrote:
LOL at some people jumping at kespa's defense, saying they have done good things for esports and starcraft. Fuck no they have not, superdanielman very clearly explained in one of his blogs that everyone who was involved in helping develop starcraft, setting up the drafts, pro licenses, starleagues, proleagues, etc etc are no longer working at kespa, and everybody who is in kespa NOW is a huge douchebag. Alright I added that last part but the point still stands, kespa is a cancer on starcraft. I'm not going to comment on their policies etc, but it's a bit rich to call these people douche bags when you've never met any of them. I *have* and they're actually very nice people. To the point of escorting me home safely once when we all stayed out very late after WL finals and also one of the referees was told by his boss to make sure I was safe on the subway home after one of the other finals. I'm pretty sure there are a lot of very nice people working in KeSPA, as you say. It's just unfortunate that the ones making the decisions seem to be... well, idiots =/ Eliminating competition in its infancy is idiotic? You'll be great in the business world. As a consumer I'll fully support you.
Sigh, I'm not even talking about that. I'm talking about their absurd rulings (DQing someone for writing PP instead of PPP to pause the game, AFTER his monitor broke? REALLY), the ridiculous joke of a free agency they held, among many, many other incidents.
Clearly they are complete idiots -_-.
Also, the way they have gone about eliminating said competitor (considering they are - as far as I'm aware - supposed to be the governing body of e-Sports in Korea, not an extension of the corporate wishes of MBC and OGN) is ridiculous.
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fuck kespa~ that it fuck you
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On September 17 2009 00:06 yarders wrote:
Firstly 4.5 million of the 11 million copies of Starcraft were sold in South Korea.
Source?
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Osaka27140 Posts
On September 17 2009 01:43 SerpentFlame wrote:
Apologies for my ignorance here, but why is everyone making opinions about an issue they don't understand? I think it goes without speaking that NeverGG knows a ton more about KesPA than a two post forum newbie.
Also, I don't understand: what exactly did KesPa do to GOM besides not sponsoring it? From what the original post says, most teams chose not to participate. I didn't see a word about KeSPA pressure....
The people who sit on kespa are the ones who run the teams. Connect the dots.
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