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Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
September 16 2009 23:12 GMT
#361
Kespa is a body backed by the Korean Government. The issue resides in the fact that the key decision makers are representatives from the various companies that sponsor the progaming teams. ie, KTF has a rep, SKT has a rep, STX, IEG (for estro) MBC, OGN etc etc. The presidency role rotates. Currently it is being held by SK Telecom. It's very easy to see why these issues arise when there is HUGE potential for the reps to be making decisions in the interests of their companies and not the players or esports in general. Look at the free agency travesty.
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-16 23:14:53
September 16 2009 23:14 GMT
#362
It's funny how many people posting that don't actually understand squat about what KeSPA is and what KeSPA actually does and exactly why this conflict started in the first place.
"Dark Pleasure" | | I survived the Locust war of May 3, 2014
Dametri
Profile Joined September 2005
United States726 Posts
September 17 2009 00:38 GMT
#363
All of these posts repeating "YOU DONT KNOW SHIT ABOUT KESPA" with no explanation are becoming old
At least GTR has a knife
i once had sex with a dog,twice -z7-TranCe
yarders
Profile Joined August 2009
United Kingdom194 Posts
September 17 2009 00:45 GMT
#364
On September 17 2009 06:48 mawno wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2009 00:06 yarders wrote:
Firstly 4.5 million of the 11 million copies of Starcraft were sold in South Korea.


Source?




http://www.usatoday.com/tech/gaming/2007-05-21-starcraft2-peek_N.htm

"South Korea, however, accounts for almost half of the sales. HanbitSoft, the local distributor, says StarCraft has sold 4.5 million copies there."

Note that this figure is out of date since the article is from 2007. Since then Starcraft has sold over a million more copies more so this number may be even higher now.
Krytha
Profile Joined January 2009
Canada140 Posts
September 17 2009 03:08 GMT
#365
A) SC2 will undoubtedly sell FAR MORE than 11 million copies.
B) Pro gamers will never stand up for themselves in Korea because... that is not the Korean way. Management rules, not the stars like in the US.
gyth
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
657 Posts
September 17 2009 04:08 GMT
#366
I'm staying hopeful

Korea will continue providing me with highly entertaining broodwar.

And the rest of the world will be given a fair chance to league up SC2 without getting schooled by magma.
The plural of anecdote is not data.
Shadeye
Profile Joined March 2009
Australia75 Posts
September 17 2009 06:21 GMT
#367
Forign Tornament I say is most likly, get some chinese players and American players, F91 for the win)
Go Hyuk, Luxury and F91
vx70GTOJudgexv
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3161 Posts
September 17 2009 07:09 GMT
#368
On September 16 2009 15:31 `Orum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2009 13:44 T.O.P. wrote:
On September 16 2009 08:06 Adeeler wrote:
I hope SC2 overshadows BW in all aspects but BW is 'still' very exciting to watch especially when new maps roll out from time to time.

I think that its partly the pro-players fault for not speaking out; they never say anything but bland scripted stuff all the time, but then there jobs are on the line due to the relationship between the pro teams & kespa. I mean they never got to say anything about how bad the sham FA system was and just had to live with it so they really are to protective over there jobs.

I think it would take someone like Boxer to speak up on the record for kespa to ever take head as he has the standing to say what he wants. Probably any of the top big names too; Jaedong, Bisu, Flash etc etc etc.

Why would the pro players say anything about it. Keeping the GOM tourney alive isn't their priority. If you watched GOM last season, you'll see that most players didn't even care about it. The quality of games were terrible.

Starcraft tv ratings have fallen since 2006, mostly because of the over saturation of starcraft tv. That's why even after killing GOM, Kespa decided to reduce the amount of proleague days from 5 to 4. They hope that starcraft ratings will increase by reducing the amount of bw content there is right now. Maybe then prominent companies will begin to sponsor the MSL again.

If Kespa decides that reducing the amount of games is good for esports, it'll probably be good for progamers too. In that case, players have no reason to want to play in the GOM tourney.

The largest prize pool, and you think the players didn't care about it? That's ridiculous. If you thought all the games were of low quality, you clearly weren't watching what I was.

Sure, reducing the amount of SC/BW games might be a good idea, but why drop the one that has a GROWING audience, mainly thanks to the English casting? That's biting the hand that feeds you.

And people think SC2 is going to help this. Probably not, for several reasons. First off, there won't be pro gamers who are at the level of SC/BW players for a long time--it takes time to get really good at a new game, even if you've played its predecessor. But before that can even happen, SC2 will need to go through many balance changes, because there's no way it can be as well balanced as a game that has matured over 10+ years. And then it has to be accepted by the gamers, and the community, as a game worthy of the legacy of SC/BW, so pros take the time, networks get the sponsorship, and people watch.


I bolded the parts that I really want to address. First yeah, they care more about the OSL (and even the MSL) than GOM. Why? Prestige. Money, while the main issue here, didn't mean squat to the players compared to the thought of winning the OSL or MSL. As for the latter part - KeSPA gets nothing from us, why the fuck would they care?

On September 16 2009 19:18 hyouro wrote:
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On September 16 2009 15:59 NeverGG wrote:
On September 16 2009 15:51 psion0011 wrote:
LOL at some people jumping at kespa's defense, saying they have done good things for esports and starcraft. Fuck no they have not, superdanielman very clearly explained in one of his blogs that everyone who was involved in helping develop starcraft, setting up the drafts, pro licenses, starleagues, proleagues, etc etc are no longer working at kespa, and everybody who is in kespa NOW is a huge douchebag. Alright I added that last part but the point still stands, kespa is a cancer on starcraft.


I'm not going to comment on their policies etc, but it's a bit rich to call these people douche bags when you've never met any of them. I *have* and they're actually very nice people. To the point of escorting me home safely once when we all stayed out very late after WL finals and also one of the referees was told by his boss to make sure I was safe on the subway home after one of the other finals.



If you goto North Korea and say you are THE GREAT LEADER'S biggest fan, you will also get treathed very well, but that doesnt make the country any better because they are still fucking insane.

But regarding the topic at hand... Blizzard can pull the whole plug on South Korea and just laugh while the money steamrolls from World of Wankers. Blizzard/activision must be the richest gaming company so if they lose south korea they wont go QQ, they would go hmm we are gonna lose "10 mil dollers"..... FUCK THAT we just make another wow expansion, problem solved


Actually, it's quite the contrary - KeSPA is backed by the Korean government. They can just pull the plug on SC/WC and move on with their lives (via ratings).

I think everyone is underestimating KeSPA here and a lot of things aren't being understood properly.
(-_-) BW for ever. #1 Iris fan.
Eury
Profile Joined December 2008
Sweden1126 Posts
September 17 2009 07:16 GMT
#369
E-sports, as we know it, would die in Korea without Starcraft. The game is more popular than all other games put together when it comes to E-Sports.
ibutoss
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
Australia341 Posts
September 17 2009 12:32 GMT
#370
this sucks.. I tuned in every week just to watch gomtv, best tv I had all week. Hope they can bring it back sometime
Nada got Yooned
g0sudj
Profile Joined November 2008
Korea (South)29 Posts
September 17 2009 15:39 GMT
#371
E-sports in Korea is being pulled off of cable packages wholesale, in the last 6 months a majority of people I know with basic cable packages have lost MBCgame or ONgame from their basic cable packages. Starcraft ratings are down, GOM has NO Korean local cable, and the Korean media neither wants nor cares about English language broadcasting. Kespa is a rotating cast of Esports sponsor companies (without whom Esports in Korea doesn't exist) making decisions in their own corporate interest. How's all that foreigner-driven Esports sponsorship and organization going? Where are all the foreigner won coming from to the Korean scene? E-sports in Korea would certainly take it in a bad way without Starcraft suddenly, but at the same time it'd survive, an equivalent would be spawned and they'd move on.

To me, if anything, GOM is a harbinger of the diminishing corporate returns of Broodwar in face of impending SC 2. It just doesn't make sense for the big sponsors to funnel money into a league targeted largely towards foreigners in a dying game when their support for an upcoming successful game is guaranteed by corporate loyalty/success.

2 cents.
QibingZero
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
2611 Posts
September 18 2009 09:03 GMT
#372
If I had a dollar for all the times I've heard starcraft was dying...

I'd still have a couple less than from hearing 'SC2 will replace starcraft'.


Really though, how are the vested interests going to get in deep with SC2 when they're actively fighting against Blizzard on this front? If Blizzard realizes they can make a sweet deal on all of this, what stops them from EULAing it up to prevent anyone from even broadcasting the game without being directly involved? Hell, what happens if they reward GOM with restricted rights? What does kespa do then?

And even if they were to manage to get in on SC2, are they willing to take a loss if it turns out to be less competitively viable or less fun to watch than SC? Honestly, I think they're best off sitting on what they have.
Oh, my eSports
vx70GTOJudgexv
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3161 Posts
September 18 2009 19:14 GMT
#373
On September 18 2009 18:03 QibingZero wrote:
If I had a dollar for all the times I've heard starcraft was dying...

I'd still have a couple less than from hearing 'SC2 will replace starcraft'.


Really though, how are the vested interests going to get in deep with SC2 when they're actively fighting against Blizzard on this front? If Blizzard realizes they can make a sweet deal on all of this, what stops them from EULAing it up to prevent anyone from even broadcasting the game without being directly involved? Hell, what happens if they reward GOM with restricted rights? What does kespa do then?


See, if Blizzard does that, KeSPA will probably influence the rating to fuck Blizzard over. Let's just remember - KeSPA consists of reps from Samsung, SK Telecom, KT and CJ among others - those are all MAJOR corporations in South Korea that can throw money and influence around. The problem for Blizzard is they can EULA SC2 all they want, it just will get fucked over in Korea and they will move on with their lives while Blizzard just dumped all these years into making an eSports-oriented game then lost their largest market.

I think "You can't fight fire with fire" is the appropriate line for the situation.
(-_-) BW for ever. #1 Iris fan.
GoAudio
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Sweden400 Posts
September 18 2009 19:36 GMT
#374
Go foreiners
EffOrt[fOu] & Hyvaa[S.G] <3 :D
[X]Ken_D
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States4653 Posts
September 18 2009 20:47 GMT
#375
On September 19 2009 04:14 vx70GTOJudgexv

See, if Blizzard does that, KeSPA will probably influence the rating to fuck Blizzard over. Let's just remember - KeSPA consists of reps from Samsung, SK Telecom, KT and CJ among others - those are all MAJOR corporations in South Korea that can throw money and influence around. The problem for Blizzard is they can EULA SC2 all they want, it just will get fucked over in Korea and they will move on with their lives while Blizzard just dumped all these years into making an eSports-oriented game then lost their largest market.

I think "You can't fight fire with fire" is the appropriate line for the situation.


Starcraft is its own entity in Korea. Almost all people know about in some way. KESPA doesn't keep Starcraft alive, it is Starcraft that keeps KESPA alive. These major corporations are benefiting from Starcraft through advertising for the relative price of .. peanuts lol.
[X]Domain - I just do the website. Nothing more.
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
September 18 2009 20:47 GMT
#376
On September 19 2009 04:14 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:
See, if Blizzard does that, KeSPA will probably influence the rating to fuck Blizzard over. Let's just remember - KeSPA consists of reps from Samsung, SK Telecom, KT and CJ among others - those are all MAJOR corporations in South Korea that can throw money and influence around. The problem for Blizzard is they can EULA SC2 all they want, it just will get fucked over in Korea and they will move on with their lives while Blizzard just dumped all these years into making an eSports-oriented game then lost their largest market.

I think "You can't fight fire with fire" is the appropriate line for the situation.


Korea might be the biggest market now, but Blizzard is looking to change and move beyond that. I think Blizzard would gladly lose Korea and gain everywhere else if it means SC2 would be a successful E-Sport. While normally I'd doubt such a lofty goal I've learned before to not really doubt Blizzard. The quality of everything they put out is top notch and I have a hard time believing they'd half-ass an E-Sports league should they truly set their sights on running one instead of just endorsing one.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
Masq
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1792 Posts
September 19 2009 00:08 GMT
#377
From a business standpoint, its quite clear what they're doing. As usual, the consumer is the one who gets the short end of the stick.

More monopoly, less choice, less quality.
ChaseR
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Norway1004 Posts
September 19 2009 07:11 GMT
#378
Im away 1-2 months and all hell breaks lose, but I guess that's how the world goes by, day after day as in everything always seems to be going to hell.

This is a rather sad ordeal with Gom, Kespa and the whole "industrialization" of E-Sports, I don't have anything to add other than that TL posters blow away other wannabe gaming forums when it comes to having a discussion. (At least all of the one's I have experienced)
Life is not Fucking Fair and Society is not Fucking Logical - "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn"
Sharp-eYe
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada642 Posts
September 20 2009 01:44 GMT
#379
I have faith D: everything will be alright, and then a year later we can all laugh at all the nerdrage within this thread. Blizzard and KeSPA will make good negotiations, and GOM can come back. There will be more SL's around the world, then the WCG will consist of the winners of these leagues. Just my 2 cents.
Are you truly so blinded by your vaunted religion, that you can't see the fall ahead of you? - Zeratul III AKA WikidSik ingame (anygame)
peidongyang
Profile Joined January 2009
Canada2084 Posts
September 20 2009 03:27 GMT
#380
dogspa is winning a few dogfights against blizzard.

not for long though
the throws never bothered me anyway
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