EPTI'll start with a big group of MSN logs. Koopie is green, and this is why I think so.
First one quick comment though:
chaoser wrote:
The best people in roles of leadership are either a DT or a vet with a clean hit record (never hit yet).
The best people in roles of leadership are either a DT or a vet with a clean hit record (never hit yet).
Disagree strongly on the DT. DTs want to stay behind the scenes and find a mouth. Best leaders are the Vet or a regular green towny, since they have no special powers that make the mafia want to kill them anyway.
Here's the MSN logs:
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I think this was on the second 24 hours of day 1
[22:54] Koops: *Poke*
[22:54] *** Auto-response sent to Koops: I am currently away from the computer.
[22:54] crate: hi
[22:55] Koops: Hey. =P
[22:55] Koops: I think I suck at the Mafia games, but I'm trying. >_>;
[22:55] crate: dont worry, i've pinned a number of players who are clearly bad
[22:55] crate: lol
[22:55] Koops: Lmao
[22:56] crate: i'm going back through the topic right now
[22:56] crate: havent gotten to your new posts yet
[22:56] Koops: ._.
[22:57] Koops: And if you want to play Brawl, I think Alex and my friend Adam want to play, too.
[22:58] crate: give me a little bit to finish up the mafia thread
[22:58] crate: then ok
[22:58] Koops: Mmk
[23:00] crate: fyi, my pick for surest town-aligned player right now is iLoveKTF
[23:00] Koops: Hey, me too.
[23:00] Koops: I'm pretty sure everyone else, too.
[23:01] Koops: My latest post is stupid and I regret, but whatever.
[23:01] crate: mm, doesnt do much but add confusion imo
[23:01] crate: not good
[23:01] Koops: Mmhm.
[23:02] Koops: Then again I haven't posted too much, so it's not like it would be hard to redeem myself.
[23:02] Koops: If I would even need to.
[23:02] crate: that post is the sort of post i've been noticing to pin players as bad
[23:02] crate: ;p
[23:02] Koops: Yes. -_-;
[23:03] crate: we'll have more to go on next day
[23:03] crate: i'm anticipating a quiet night
[23:03] Koops: Day 2 will be more fun.
[23:03] Koops: Like I said I hate Day 1.
[23:03] crate: day 2 is when we really get to see how players lean
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This was yesterday:
I snipped a bit of this because we talk about Brawl a lot since we were playing during part of this.
[16:44] Koops: At least the town wants to protect you.
[16:45] crate: so i can bounce ideas off of you
[16:45] Koops: Yeah, you could.
[16:45] crate: well
[16:45] crate: here's my guess
[16:45] crate: one of the first three candidates for the election is mafia or none of them are
[16:46] crate: jeejee's timing seems too late to me for the mafia
[16:46] Koops: I think Shikyo is mafia.
[16:46] crate: ilovektf is clearly not mafia since he got ZERO support
[16:46] Koops: Um, yeah.
[16:46] crate: and shikyo has been posting lots and lots of fluff
[16:46] crate: so yeah
[16:46] Koops: Yep.
[16:46] crate: i have him down as the most likely red too
[16:46] Koops: And he was bandwagoned from the start..
[16:46] Koops: And then people changed.
[16:46] Koops: Just seems like he's mafia.
[16:47] crate: he's said extremely little considering the number of words he's posted
[16:47] Koops: I know!
[16:49] Koops: Well, fun. I figured you out.
[16:49] crate: right conclusion, wrong reason
[16:50] crate: lmao
[16:50] Koops: Rofl.
[16:55] Koops: I don't want Jimtudor protected. :|
[16:55] crate: if i were mafia there is no way i'd hit him right now
[16:55] Koops: I know...
[16:55] Koops: It's stupid.
[16:56] crate: i think most of the mafia is hiding in the >half of the players who havent said anything constructive
[16:56] Koops: Well, definitely.
[16:56] crate: its too easy
[16:56] Koops: It's the easiest.
[16:57] Koops: It blends them into a really big crowd.
[16:57] Koops: That's the best possible situation.
[16:57] crate: mhm
[16:57] Koops: Now, if everyone were active... It would be stupid.
[16:57] Koops: But that's not the case.
[16:58] Koops: Yeah, he would...
[16:59] Koops: Also if I was mafia, I'm sure my clues would be pretty simple to read. ;P
[17:00] crate: i do not envy pyr, trying to make up clues for so many players who probably have no profile and so few posts
[17:00] Koops: Yeah.
[17:00] Koops: I edited my profile because of that.
[17:00] crate: heh
[17:00] Koops: I even put a picture in there. ;-;
[17:00] crate: i see
[17:00] Koops: Not of me, but yes. Lol.
[17:00] crate: btw i think it's interesting how much more town-favored pyr's setup is than qatols
[17:00] crate: same number of players but we have an extra vigi, medic
[17:00] Koops: Yeah.
[17:01] crate: same number of mafia
[17:01] Koops: Honestly I want to see the town win, anyways.
[17:01] crate: and sheriff is way more powerful than pardoner
[17:01] Koops: Even though being on the mafia would be more exciting.
[17:01] crate: my favorite role is townie
[17:01] crate: actually
[17:01] crate: favorite role would be veteran
[17:01] crate: cause its SUPER townie
[17:01] Koops: Haha.
[17:02] Koops: Okay, again. If I was mafia I would not point out to you that I knew. :<
[17:02] crate: i know
[17:04] crate: i wonder how much the town really trusts shikyo
[17:05] Koops: I know I don't.
[17:05] crate: actually
[17:05] crate: i guess my big thought is that being able to just look past who is posting is the best
[17:06] crate: link the content to the player, not the player to the content, if you get what i mean
[17:06] Koops: Yeah, I get it.
[17:07] crate: and i do doubt i'm going to die tonight; i'm too obvious a target i think, and unless you're playing me really well, the mafia knows i havent really shown anything dangerous yet
[17:07] Koops: Great I mispelled send in my post.
[17:07] Koops: To end.
[17:07] Koops: -_-;
[17:07] crate: lol
[17:07] Koops: crate I don't think anyone really suspects you.
[17:07] Koops: But I'm sure people think you're with the town.
[17:07] Koops: Just my thoughts.
[17:08] crate: i have posted really nothing but facts, and a good plan is a good plan either way
[17:08] Koops: Because mafia members should seem like part of the town, too.
[17:08] crate: its easy to seem like part of our town
[17:08] crate: dont say anything
[17:08] crate: :p
[17:08] Koops: =P
[17:10] crate: while i'd be surprised if i die, i would be SHOCKED if you die
[17:10] Koops: Yes.
[17:10] crate: i really hope people dont roleclaim to shikyo
[17:10] crate: or to jeejee for that matter
[17:10] Koops: I KNOW.
[17:11] Koops: Hopefully they look at them just the same as others.
[17:11] Koops: To me they're even more suspcious.
[17:11] crate: yeah
[17:11] Koops: I can't type
[17:11] Koops: -_-;
[17:11] crate: anyone running is suspicious
[17:11] Koops: Yeah.
[17:11] Koops: That's what I had said before.
[17:11] Koops: To silly Jimtudor.
[17:11] Koops: ;_;
[17:11] crate: i hope his clue analysis is as good as he claims
[17:11] Koops: Who's the one that said they ran before they looked?
[17:11] crate: ilovektf
[17:12] crate: all the more reason to think he's not mafia, after the overwhelming show of support he got, lol
[17:12] Koops: Yeah.
[17:12] crate: he does have some name value; tbh his platform is comparable to jeejee but jeejee had better timing
[17:13] Koops: I'd rather have ilovektf but I'd rather have JeeJee over Shikyo. So that's why I voted for him.
[17:13] Koops: Wow...
[17:13] Koops: I really can't type.
[17:13] crate: foolishness must be town, since a mafia playing like that makes no sense
[17:14] crate: the town as a whole likes shikyo
[17:14] crate: so saying he's shifty at this point only makes you suspicious
[17:14] Koops: :S
[17:14] crate: hence no mafia would do it regardless of shikyo's alignment
[17:14] crate: saying it publicly anyway
[17:15] Koops: I'm just waiting for the nigt actions to be sent so we can move on.
[17:15] Koops: night*
[17:15] crate: heh yeah
[17:15] crate: tomorrow it should get interesting
[17:15] Koops: Yeah.
[17:15] Koops: I really want to see who gets killed. >_>;
[17:18] Koops: Aw... why do we have a big chunk of inactives? ._.
[17:19] crate: new players who got townie and get bored, then mafia hide amongst them
[17:19] Koops: I'd laugh if they were all mafia.
[17:19] crate: i guess
[17:19] Koops: Lmao.
[17:19] crate: idk, i love being townie, like jeejee said
[17:28] crate: oh btw now i understand that ":S" earlier; i hadnt read your post when you said it
[17:28] Koops: Yes...
[17:28] Koops: -_-;
[17:28] Koops: It's okay, though.
[17:29] Koops: Things can work in a lot of different ways if people at least begin to CONSIDER Shikyo.
[17:29] crate: i think your biggest problem is the timing of that post
[17:29] crate: you want to wait till day to say those things
[17:29] Koops: That's true.
[17:29] Koops: But if I was hit
[17:29] crate: unless you have some reason to think you're going to die
[17:30] Koops: It's kind of safe to say who could be mafia.
[17:30] Koops: >_>
[17:30] Koops: Also, it could just be me looking like I'm asking an honest question.
[17:30] Koops: Who knows.
[17:30] crate: you look more like a stupid townie than anything else so far to me
[17:30] crate: >_>
[17:30] Koops: Ahahaha.
[17:31] crate: but not a really stupid townie
[17:31] crate: i have a couple of those marked down
[17:31] crate: they're really absurdly bad or dumb or something
[17:31] Koops: I really just want to know why he put Jimtudor on the list, that's all.
[17:31] Koops: There are more important people to the town.
[17:32] crate: defend it like that if anyone questions your wording
[17:32] Koops: He doesn't really post, and if he does...
[17:32] Koops: It sucks.
[17:33] crate: i hope you are town aligned and can pick up on other roles like you sniped mine
[18:16] Koops: I got Shikyo to add iloveKTF.
[18:16] Koops: I am great.
[18:17] Koops: Even though it doesn't mean that much.
[18:17] Koops: Lmao.
[18:17] crate: heh
[18:17] Koops: Oh well, I just wanted to redeem my stupid.
[18:17] Koops: .-.
[18:17] crate: it's ok; you're not the only one who's made dumb posts
[18:18] Koops: Yeah, I know.
Take that as you will. She's playing badly for sure, but I think she's just being stupid and I hope she'll stop being stupid soon.
(One note of emphasis: don't look at who is saying what when you're reading posts. Look at what's being said, see if it makes sense/contributes anything, THEN look at who wrote it. I said this above but I know half of you aren't going to read the whole convo.)
Obviously this dovetails nicely into my suspicions. I'm going to call Shikyo out for his huge volume of words with little to nothing said in them. If you want to convince me you're not a mafia trying to play the town by hiding behind lots of fluff, start making real contributions instead of repeating things that were already said and agreeing with everyone. The mayor position doesn't strike me as a real benefit to the town anyway other than keeping the mayor behind BG protection, and let me tell you I am not convinced Shikyo is worth that BG protection. Regardless of your alignment I think your fluff isn't helping the town any.
(After I wrote this I saw your most recent post. Definitely a step up if your targets happen to be good).
Right now my dumb players list includes Raxor, Pawsome, The_Master, Koopie (well...), and l10f.
Inactives: omG.[RaYnE], clazziquai, motbob, adriix33 (didn't vote, may get modkilled after day 2), SugiuraMidori (claimed quite some time ago he'd be inactive--driving from Tuscon, but that's too long ago, also in danger of modkill), Knutti, and epicdoom
My guess is probably half the mafia is among those players. Some of the stupid players are probably just being stupid because they're not reading the whole thread or have no idea what to do or just don't actually think and re-read their posts before they click the button, but even in a newbie game that will only get you so far imo.
fuck i'm tired of writing for a bit I'll follow this up in a bit but I need a break from writing for now
start making posts with content people there are at least two couple obvious things that people should do to contribute. I'm not going to tell you what they are though since I want to know who is actually thinking in this game and who isn't, and I'm going to do one of them myself soon if no one else does
