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On May 21 2009 11:32 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2009 11:27 Showtime! wrote:
So Plexa does have a voice after all. Why do you think Ace is mafia?
As for Ver's post, I really don't know what to make of it until after the lynch.
I'm really confused as to why you would withhold this information from us for this long. Wake up!
All of us are playing bad. Oh it's simple really - the time period for lynching ends very soon. Of course Plexa, Ver and BC all pop out of no where at the same time. Ver makes some sketchy tl;dr worthy post saying he knows something but UH UH! He ain't explaining how he came to those conclusions! And we won't be able to know his explanations till after I'm dead EVEN though he said he will get himself modkilled. Oh and just to be on the safe side he claimed himself to be a Vet so you guys would be even more hesitant to kill him. Laughable really.
For someone who specializes in behavioural analysis ace, the fact you dont know where it came from is amusing. You have spent the last 2 days arguing with L trying to save your own skin when your incredibly shifty, and not offer any other leads except "lynch ver, or look at these people". Instead you argue and create chaos, and hense why you've been labeled as the traitor.
As for him getting modkilled/killed tommorrow, IT validates the list he just gave as hey, hes blue (once again analyze his behaviour and thats the common ground you get). I'm a bloody clue analyzer and spotted him as blue during elections. IF i can do that, you should have every blue in the game so far, but instead, your creating chaos, seems rather laughable to me as well that as i read this post of yours i see you calling the "tl:dr" comment sketchy as hey, you pulled it last round and it was legitimate.
Pull your head out of your ass and accept that you die either in lynch or to a vig.
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On May 21 2009 11:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
MTF, say we lynch ver today. DO NOT ASSUME THE VIG WILL HIT ACE
So, we have a double lynch tommorrow. Ace will most likely be on said lynch list, we pair him up with X.
Ace to be a spiteful dick will pardon X and just die himself, wasting our lynch.
Get that ability out of the way first.
Right. But I don't agree with lynching both leaders for information, nor do I think Ace is Mafia. And as predicted, Ver is coming in with a last minute explanation post. I just didn't think he'd roleclaim or that you and Plexa would show up synchronized with him.
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On May 21 2009 11:37 Plexa wrote:The reason I think Ace is mafia/traitor is that this is exactly how he behaved when we were mafia together  whether or not this behavior came up in other games im not sure. But from my experiences this is enough for me to think he needs to die
Now Now Plexa you know I'd never be that transparent. FYI I played this way last game too when I was innocent.
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On May 21 2009 11:37 Tricode wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2009 11:34 L wrote:On May 21 2009 11:29 Tricode wrote:On May 21 2009 11:20 L wrote:On May 21 2009 11:15 Tricode wrote:On May 21 2009 11:08 L wrote:On May 21 2009 10:56 MTF wrote:On May 21 2009 10:44 L wrote:On May 21 2009 10:40 MTF wrote:On May 21 2009 10:34 L wrote:
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I didn't say we needed a role check. I said he's the least scrutinizable player in the game. Is that correct or not? No rolecheck. Large bandwagon behind him. Cannot vote for him until day 5 or vig hit if we do back to back double lynches. Consistently contradictory posts. Has supported mafia players in the past. The target of a massive voteswing. I mean, 2+2. There's evidence. First, the so-called large bandwagon behind him is pretty small to the very consistent core that voted Ver in and people can defend Ace without being die-hard about it. Like me, right now. Second, the "cannot vote for him" bit is incorrect, unless you assume that we can't vote for him because he'd pardon whoever the other person was. Which is incorrect. I haven't seen that many contradictory posts and I'm not sure what you mean by his having supported mafia players in the past, unless you somehow have them figured out already. Finally, the massive voteswing you're talking about happened because of the Nemy situation. Nemy was close to being pushed into a position and many players did not like that, so there was a movement to vote in either Mynock or Ace in behind Ver. Ace ended up being the one that got the votes. MTF, we already 100% agreed that if Ace is mafia and he's going down, its always in his best interest to pardon the other player, mafia or not. If both Ver and Ace are mafia, your analysis of the 'large bandwagon' is consistent with what most mafia players would do in the current situation. Drop Ver, switch to Ace. And regardless of the nemY situation, if Ace flips red, the voteswing is a voteswing. THIS IS WHY WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO TELL WHICH SIDE HE'S ON. I agree with everything in the first two sentences. The problem is they are complete "what if" situations to you. For the third, however...Help me understand this. Assume that you are right, and Ace is Mafia. Why would Mafia not have voted him in sooner or secured him a strong spot in the election earlier on, so as to avoid the very suspicion you are putting on him? Was Nemy just a convenient cover for a sudden five-six votes to switch over to him? And assuming further that both are mafia: Was the plan just to get Ver in first and then the Nemy situation happened, so they figured, hell, why not try to get both of them in? Or was Nemy an intentional part of it? See the problem I have with your scenario? Why would Mafia not have voted him in sooner? Because mafia already HAD him in prior to nemY. Ver had a commanding lead, showtime had like 3 votes and Ace was sitting above that. No point stacking people on, might as well sprinkle mafia on other targets to lay low. When nemY happened, mafia didn't 'want' to have to voteswing Ace in, but nemY's candidacy forced some people to switch to him. Obviously you examine each voter independantly, but there are a number of late Ace voters that are fishy. Tricode, for instance, has been either been playing consistently stupid (and given last game I sadly concede that he's potentially that stupid without ulterior motives. So what do I do regarding a player like tricode? How do I crack his motivations? Well, I need date from Ace to complete the picture. Basically you're saying "mafia could have done many things" which is true. What doesn't change, however, is that mafia will push their members into office given a chance, and during this election there was clearly an opportunity go go x2 office, which is why I think we should prepare for that possibility. You know you're getting on my nervs. Keep me out of your stupid tangents and raves. You have brought my name quite a few times with a few insults here and there. If you can take some consideration, my last game was the first time I was ever townie. Before that I was just thrown into mafia with out a shit of a clue in what to do. Now if you would like to call me stupid this game. I would like you to present me with some sort of reasoning, other wise stop being a emotional cry baby about how since I didn't agree with you early on in the game = me being stupid. Why would you get offended that I call you stupid when you admit it a phrase before complaining about it? Derp Derp. Its the content of your posts rather than your position that make me think you're a dumb shit. Ace disagrees with me but I think he's being very smart about how he presents his arguments (or lack thereof). You, on the other hand? Dumb. What the hell are you talking about? Dude, i have been reading your posts about me, if you have a problem with what i have to say, have some reasonable argument and how it is stupid. It's not that I'm really offended I'm more annoyed with the crap you have to say. Also last that I checked, I seen more people calling you a dumb ass rather then me ;p . I also never admited about me being stupid. So i don't know what you are talking about. Either learn to read or stop saying crap. Ok lol. Better hope they dont' both turn red. Meh, if are going to kill them both, i hope they both turn red. I rather not waste time killing an innocent. I don't really want to help the mafia out. Though if one of them do turn to be townie, what should we say about you? Seems like you're a bit trigger happy buddy, ready to kill anyone that didn't agree with you eh?
Its not that you don't agree with me, Its your position on the voter lists which make you suspicious.
There are a number of people who don't agree with me that I think are perfectly innocent. See: MTF. Could be wrong, but that's one of the side benefits of trying to hit Ver/Dreamflower on Day 3: If MTF's clue analysis is spot on, he would have to have been an incredibly ballsy mafia player to seal the deal on two of his allies.
Now do you see why I think getting both out of the way is useful? There's such a treasure trove of information waiting to be given to us in the case of ANY outcome besides double innocent.
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On May 21 2009 11:38 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2009 11:32 Ace wrote:On May 21 2009 11:27 Showtime! wrote:
So Plexa does have a voice after all. Why do you think Ace is mafia?
As for Ver's post, I really don't know what to make of it until after the lynch.
I'm really confused as to why you would withhold this information from us for this long. Wake up!
All of us are playing bad. Oh it's simple really - the time period for lynching ends very soon. Of course Plexa, Ver and BC all pop out of no where at the same time. Ver makes some sketchy tl;dr worthy post saying he knows something but UH UH! He ain't explaining how he came to those conclusions! And we won't be able to know his explanations till after I'm dead EVEN though he said he will get himself modkilled. Oh and just to be on the safe side he claimed himself to be a Vet so you guys would be even more hesitant to kill him. Laughable really. For someone who specializes in behavioural analysis ace, the fact you dont know where it came from is amusing. You have spent the last 2 days arguing with L trying to save your own skin when your incredibly shifty, and not offer any other leads except "lynch ver, or look at these people". Instead you argue and create chaos, and hense why you've been labeled as the traitor. As for him getting modkilled/killed tommorrow, IT validates the list he just gave as hey, hes blue (once again analyze his behaviour and thats the common ground you get). I'm a bloody clue analyzer and spotted him as blue during elections. IF i can do that, you should have every blue in the game so far, but instead, your creating chaos, seems rather laughable to me as well that as i read this post of yours i see you calling the "tl:dr" comment sketchy as hey, you pulled it last round and it was legitimate. Pull your head out of your ass and accept that you die either in lynch or to a vig.
What chaos? Go ahead, point it out. What chaos have I started? Your BULLSHITTING. This whole time I've been arguing with L it's been pretty normal because it's easy to follow. There is nothing "chaotic" about it. Chaos would be false roleclaiming to the town and getting innocents killed and just creating a big fucked up situation - that hasn't happened. Get your shit straight and kill the fluff posts.
You spotted Ver as blue during elections? Thats nice. Really. But I'd never believe any of you are good at behavior analyzing that well because Ver has told me he's correctly analyzed me (LOL) and can't get it right this game. Sure buddy, I believe your "coalition" has things straight - RIGHT! I don't play this game to pick out the blues - I go for the reds homie. I don't need to PM a ton of people to do it either - get ya skillz up yo.
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On May 21 2009 11:39 MTF wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2009 11:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
MTF, say we lynch ver today. DO NOT ASSUME THE VIG WILL HIT ACE
So, we have a double lynch tommorrow. Ace will most likely be on said lynch list, we pair him up with X.
Ace to be a spiteful dick will pardon X and just die himself, wasting our lynch.
Get that ability out of the way first. Right. But I don't agree with lynching both leaders for information, nor do I think Ace is Mafia. And as predicted, Ver is coming in with a last minute explanation post. I just didn't think he'd roleclaim or that you and Plexa would show up synchronized with him.
And as it has been stated, he had his thesis defense, coupled with analyzing the towns insane retarded posting spree.
As for us randomly showing up, I was advocating not killing him yesterday as well, so my defense of him isn't that mysterious.
Plexa, i dunno what his reasoning is.
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L I know not even you could ignore the big glaring mistake that BC just made. Come on L, if you're townie don't let it go...
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On May 21 2009 11:43 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2009 11:38 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 21 2009 11:32 Ace wrote:On May 21 2009 11:27 Showtime! wrote:
So Plexa does have a voice after all. Why do you think Ace is mafia?
As for Ver's post, I really don't know what to make of it until after the lynch.
I'm really confused as to why you would withhold this information from us for this long. Wake up!
All of us are playing bad. Oh it's simple really - the time period for lynching ends very soon. Of course Plexa, Ver and BC all pop out of no where at the same time. Ver makes some sketchy tl;dr worthy post saying he knows something but UH UH! He ain't explaining how he came to those conclusions! And we won't be able to know his explanations till after I'm dead EVEN though he said he will get himself modkilled. Oh and just to be on the safe side he claimed himself to be a Vet so you guys would be even more hesitant to kill him. Laughable really. For someone who specializes in behavioural analysis ace, the fact you dont know where it came from is amusing. You have spent the last 2 days arguing with L trying to save your own skin when your incredibly shifty, and not offer any other leads except "lynch ver, or look at these people". Instead you argue and create chaos, and hense why you've been labeled as the traitor. As for him getting modkilled/killed tommorrow, IT validates the list he just gave as hey, hes blue (once again analyze his behaviour and thats the common ground you get). I'm a bloody clue analyzer and spotted him as blue during elections. IF i can do that, you should have every blue in the game so far, but instead, your creating chaos, seems rather laughable to me as well that as i read this post of yours i see you calling the "tl:dr" comment sketchy as hey, you pulled it last round and it was legitimate. Pull your head out of your ass and accept that you die either in lynch or to a vig. What chaos? Go ahead, point it out. What chaos have I started? Your BULLSHITTING. This whole time I've been arguing with L it's been pretty normal because it's easy to follow. There is nothing "chaotic" about it. Chaos would be false roleclaiming to the town and getting innocents killed and just creating a big fucked up situation - that hasn't happened. Get your shit straight and kill the fluff posts. You spotted Ver as blue during elections? Thats nice. Really. But I'd never believe any of you are good at behavior analyzing that well because Ver has told me he's correctly analyzed me (LOL) and can't get it right this game. Sure buddy, I believe your "coalition" has things straight - RIGHT! I don't play this game to pick out the blues - I go for the reds homie. I don't need to PM a ton of people to do it either - get ya skillz up yo.
I've yet to see anything out of you other than random pointing, and arguing, if your so 1337, why don't you provide some magic list of reds youve found.
As for finding blues yo? You need to find either greens/blues to get a circle going but hey you know that as you typically do it everygame, except rather than work with people this game, your barking like a dog and hoping we'll listen.
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L DONT LET THAT SHIT GO HE JUST FUCKED UP AGAIN!
edit: color tags
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I've already stated his position on the Ver list makes him a very suspicious target after we get our information : ).
But glaring mistakes are pretty much ignored by the town, because your post had 2 and most of your posts contain one if not more.
I like your coolacecucumber return to form, though. Shoulda kept that up the entire game.
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On May 21 2009 11:48 L wrote:
I've already stated his position on the Ver list makes him a very suspicious target after we get our information : ).
But glaring mistakes are pretty much ignored by the town, because your post had 2 and most of your posts contain one if not more.
I like your coolacecucumber return to form, though. Shoulda kept that up the entire game.
Naw, I tried to keep cool last game for too long and drunken Caller killed me. If I don't shout they don't pay attention to people's mistakes.
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Edit: Wow, back to attempting to use colour. AND bold.
Nevermind.
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All right. I wasn't sure I wanted to post this, but I'd like to mention my own reason for believing Ver is innocent. Why do I think this way? Because I'm still alive.
Normally, these two things wouldn't be connected in the least. However, well before Day Two occurred, Ver contacted me through PM to say he believed I had a blue role. Specifically, he said he thought I was probably medic/DT. This alone made me think that he wasn't Mafia, because he wouldn't have bothered to PM me at all if he were; he would have just killed me. Why leave a potential victim the possibility of getting protection? Being tired and surprised, I worded my response rather regrettably in a way that probably wouldn't convince him otherwise. When Day Two dawned, I knew that if he were Mafia, I would be dead.
The fact that I didn't die, even though he had figured me out as a blue, persuaded me that Ver is innocent. Why leave a blue role alone, especially if you suspect them to be a medic or detective? Both are potentially far more valuable and devastating for the town to lose than two bodyguards, because of their inherent abilities. I'd have made a far better target than poor LucasWoJ or mikeymoo. Instead, I didn't die, even though he had figured me out as blue.
Thus, logically, he can't be Mafia. Which means he's innocent and has the town's best interests in mind, more so than the likes of Ace and L bickering and quarrelling with each other.
Here are the PMs we exchanged, if anyone wants concrete proof about the conversation.
To: Ver
Subject: Re: your mafia role
Date: 5/18/09 12:25
Ironically, I just wrote to you not thirty seconds ago. And no, no one has contacted me. The confusion over nemY has pretty much occupied everyone's minds, and I don't think I would have come to anyone's attention anyway.
What makes you think I'm a medic or DT? Or even a blue role?
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I think you're a medic or DT.
What do you think of the current situation? Has anyone else contacted you that's playing?
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L, i'll give you this. Yeah there might be a treasure trove of information. But now you are saying you are picking me if they both turn red cause i voted for Ace?
Either case, if Ver dies and turns blue. That treasure of information will be how poop just came out of someone's ass and landed on our faces.
Anyways let's see what happens.
If we do have to kill both then I suggest Ace. If ver is telling the truth, vig can just hit him. he will lose that 1 up but if vig calls out on it, then we can at least keep ver alive. So we don't lose as much.
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On May 21 2009 11:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2009 11:43 Ace wrote:On May 21 2009 11:38 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 21 2009 11:32 Ace wrote:On May 21 2009 11:27 Showtime! wrote:
So Plexa does have a voice after all. Why do you think Ace is mafia?
As for Ver's post, I really don't know what to make of it until after the lynch.
I'm really confused as to why you would withhold this information from us for this long. Wake up!
All of us are playing bad. Oh it's simple really - the time period for lynching ends very soon. Of course Plexa, Ver and BC all pop out of no where at the same time. Ver makes some sketchy tl;dr worthy post saying he knows something but UH UH! He ain't explaining how he came to those conclusions! And we won't be able to know his explanations till after I'm dead EVEN though he said he will get himself modkilled. Oh and just to be on the safe side he claimed himself to be a Vet so you guys would be even more hesitant to kill him. Laughable really. For someone who specializes in behavioural analysis ace, the fact you dont know where it came from is amusing. You have spent the last 2 days arguing with L trying to save your own skin when your incredibly shifty, and not offer any other leads except "lynch ver, or look at these people". Instead you argue and create chaos, and hense why you've been labeled as the traitor. As for him getting modkilled/killed tommorrow, IT validates the list he just gave as hey, hes blue (once again analyze his behaviour and thats the common ground you get). I'm a bloody clue analyzer and spotted him as blue during elections. IF i can do that, you should have every blue in the game so far, but instead, your creating chaos, seems rather laughable to me as well that as i read this post of yours i see you calling the "tl:dr" comment sketchy as hey, you pulled it last round and it was legitimate. Pull your head out of your ass and accept that you die either in lynch or to a vig. What chaos? Go ahead, point it out. What chaos have I started? Your BULLSHITTING. This whole time I've been arguing with L it's been pretty normal because it's easy to follow. There is nothing "chaotic" about it. Chaos would be false roleclaiming to the town and getting innocents killed and just creating a big fucked up situation - that hasn't happened. Get your shit straight and kill the fluff posts. You spotted Ver as blue during elections? Thats nice. Really. But I'd never believe any of you are good at behavior analyzing that well because Ver has told me he's correctly analyzed me (LOL) and can't get it right this game. Sure buddy, I believe your "coalition" has things straight - RIGHT! I don't play this game to pick out the blues - I go for the reds homie. I don't need to PM a ton of people to do it either - get ya skillz up yo. I've yet to see anything out of you other than random pointing, and arguing, if your so 1337, why don't you provide some magic list of reds youve found. As for finding blues yo? You need to find either greens/blues to get a circle going but hey you know that as you typically do it everygame, except rather than work with people this game, your barking like a dog and hoping we'll listen.
I've just highlighted the part of your post that will send you to the chopping block. Don't think we forgot about how you were linked to a clue before either.
See you on hmm...Day 3 on that double lynch block? Yea, sounds about right.
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On May 21 2009 11:49 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2009 11:48 L wrote:
I've already stated his position on the Ver list makes him a very suspicious target after we get our information : ).
But glaring mistakes are pretty much ignored by the town, because your post had 2 and most of your posts contain one if not more.
I like your coolacecucumber return to form, though. Shoulda kept that up the entire game. Naw, I tried to keep cool last game for too long and drunken Caller killed me. If I don't shout they don't pay attention to people's mistakes.
Someone just said your style this game and last game were the same as evidence you're innocent. You now state the opposite but didn't call it our early.
k.
But srsly, coulda avoided so much hassle if you kept things civil T_T.
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On May 21 2009 11:50 Tricode wrote:
L, i'll give you this. Yeah there might be a treasure trove of information. But now you are saying you are picking me if they both turn red cause i voted for Ace?
Either case, if Ver dies and turns blue. That treasure of information will be how poop just came out of someone's ass and landed on our faces.
Anyways let's see what happens.
If we do have to kill both then I suggest Ace. If ver is telling the truth, vig can just hit him. he will lose that 1 up but if vig calls out on it, then we can at least keep ver alive. So we don't lose as much.
No, i didn't say you're auto red. I said I'd go back and look at your posts again with the knowledge we have.
If Ver dies and flips blue, most people agree Ace is mafia. If Ace is mafia and we've voted for 2x lynch, we're fucked.
Note how fucking ROBUST my plan is. IF shit goes wrong, we get out around even. IF shit goes awesome we have a roadmap to end the game. Lynching Ver first completely ASSFUCKS us if we get it wrong.
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On May 21 2009 11:49 dreamflower wrote:
All right. I wasn't sure I wanted to post this, but I'd like to mention my own reason for believing Ver is innocent. Why do I think this way? Because I'm still alive.
Normally, these two things wouldn't be connected in the least. However, well before Day Two occurred, Ver contacted me through PM to say he believed I had a blue role. Specifically, he said he thought I was probably medic/DT. This alone made me think that he wasn't Mafia, because he wouldn't have bothered to PM me at all if he were; he would have just killed me. Why leave a potential victim the possibility of getting protection? Being tired and surprised, I worded my response rather regrettably in a way that probably wouldn't convince him otherwise. When Day Two dawned, I knew that if he were Mafia, I would be dead.
The fact that I didn't die, even though he had figured me out as a blue, persuaded me that Ver is innocent. Why leave a blue role alone, especially if you suspect them to be a medic or detective? Both are potentially far more valuable and devastating for the town to lose than two bodyguards, because of their inherent abilities. I'd have made a far better target than poor LucasWoJ or mikeymoo. Instead, I didn't die, even though he had figured me out as blue.
Thus, logically, he can't be Mafia. Which means he's innocent and has the town's best interests in mind, more so than the likes of Ace and L bickering and quarrelling with each other.
Here are the PMs we exchanged, if anyone wants concrete proof about the conversation.
To: Ver
Subject: Re: your mafia role
Date: 5/18/09 12:25
Ironically, I just wrote to you not thirty seconds ago. And no, no one has contacted me. The confusion over nemY has pretty much occupied everyone's minds, and I don't think I would have come to anyone's attention anyway.
What makes you think I'm a medic or DT? Or even a blue role?
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Original Message:
I think you're a medic or DT.
What do you think of the current situation? Has anyone else contacted you that's playing?
Let me get this straight (holding in laughter)
Ver sends you a PM, fishing for info. He claims medic or DT (even though you have no clue about what other blues he could have known)
and you think because he kept you alive - he must be innocent?
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So...you come with this "evidence" near the lynch deadline. Showing up with Ver and his magical pixie buddies. However - there IS one thing you just did - you just fucked Ver over.
Lets read between the lines.
Ver asks you if your a medic or a DT right? He didn't ask about Bodyguard?!
Which would kinda mean he'd know who the Bodyguards were. And you said this occured well before Day 2 which means it happened BEFORE the bodyguards died.
Good going smart guy - you just proved that Ver indeed had to know who the Bodyguards were.
BOOM!
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I've got a 30 min to 1 hour lunch right now so I can't post my full thoughts, but cliffnotes:
Ver essentially posted another % mafia list padded with words this time. No reasoning, at all.
The post train immediately after ver posted of half the inactives/people who have been 'holding back their votes'
Be back later!
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On May 21 2009 11:28 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2009 11:25 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 21 2009 11:24 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:On May 21 2009 11:15 Ver wrote:
b) Or should the vigilante hit me?
If you're actually a veteran why would we waste the vig hit on you? It proves his role, means the town sees that he is infact a blue and rallies behind him And then he has only 1 night life left, our vig hit is gone, and it's easier for the mafia to kill him. And it means the medic pretty much has to protect Ver, no?
in addition, we have to communicate with the vigi in some way that guarantees the vigi is legit as well
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