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Versatile
United States396 Posts
On November 18 2008 04:08 MrBabyHands wrote: how YOU doin? i'm pretty much the king shit around here, so... i mean if you need any help navigating the site or being cool or anythin, i'm ya man I don't require any help "being cool". Thanks though  | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
On November 18 2008 04:00 MTF wrote: Uh...Does anyone else think that this proves me right in suspecting Showtime! and Plexa as Mafia? Hint: If you don't see it, it's like they copy-pasted a PM from Plexa to say this. wow nice catch there MTF this does tie into Plexa's rather simplistic electoral speech. I think that's definitely suspicious. and srsly anybody that doesn't like my ads... -_- | ||
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MTF
United States1739 Posts
First, Plexa puts himself up for candidacy: On November 17 2008 16:22 Plexa wrote: Hi everyone, i think i'd be a good candidate for pardoner  i dont have the huge plans like past mayors have had but i do play a very good supporting character! And will assist ably in the victory of the town!I wouldn't call this out of character for Plexa. It's just a short, friendly post saying he'd like to be considered. I myself voted for him because I want him to stay alive and, having played closely with him before, know he can organize town. However, then the vote list got put up, with me and Plexa tied with six each, which led to: + Show Spoiler + On November 17 2008 22:44 Showtime! wrote: Why in the blue hell do people want MTF as mayor? He's one of the worst clue interpreters I've ever seen. Sure, he puts a lot of effort into it but Jesus he's usually wrong. ##I'll stand by my single vote for Caller in the meantime. That is unless he's decided to stop running. EDIT (just wanted to add new info): Ver, I agree. Perhaps you should run for mayor, but keep in mind all the sheep are likely going to vote for Plexa (decent choice) or MTF (I think everyone knows where I stand on this one now). I've played with Caller in the past. He's smart. :. I stand by him for now. and + Show Spoiler + On November 17 2008 23:11 Showtime! wrote: MTF commits a lot of red herrings and he goes off on many different tangents. It's very bad. Last game it was his downfall. He was trying effortlessly to get the Town off the mafia's tail and it failed horribly. Clue interpretation is only but one side to the coin. We need someone who is fairly organized and has clear thoughts. Someone such as Caller or yourself. Plexa would be an ideal candidate for Pardoner. He's great at writing articles, but how good is he at running a Town? Plexa most likely got a Specialty Role this time around as there are many. Now, Showtime has no reason to hate me, so I know he's not defacing me for the sake of anomosity. He also ignored the fact that I was extremely accurate in Chuiu's second game of Mafia and instead displays town's excellent game in Chuiu's third game as proof against my abilities. At the very same time, he's saying that Plexa should get in as Pardoner, and then pretends to play devils' advocate by saying "but how good is he really?" without answering. I think he may have been trying to bait someone into answering for him so he didn't have to do all the promotion himself. Finally, he asserts that Plexa may be blue this game, just because of their numbers. All very weak and heavy-handed. It's a pretty obvious attempt to sway people to vote Plexa instead of me as we were neck and neck in votes at the time of his posting. And then came the nails in the coffin: + Show Spoiler + On November 18 2008 01:05 KlassyK wrote: Having read/skimmed over ~17 pages, ## I vote Plexa for Mayor I've read games that have been played on here, and I think Plexa has the intelligence and leadership ability to run the town well. On November 18 2008 03:54 mischief6000 wrote: Having read/skimmed over 20 pages, ## I vote Plexa for Mayor I think Plexa has the intelligence and leadership ability to run the town I can't help feeling sorry for Plexa, as the Showtime stuff only made him suspect to me, but this mistake by mischief and Klassy is going to bury their chances. I now strongly suspect he is an AoC or Godfather, and that Showtime, mischief, and Klassy are mafia in his family. I would kindly like to ask everyone who voted Plexa now to rescind your votes and place them elsewhere, as I truly feel we've got four mafia at the very beginning of this game. | ||
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MrBabyHands
United States72 Posts
On November 18 2008 04:34 Versatile wrote: Agreed @ MTF and Kweezy. Note to everyone: Kweezy, mischief6000, KlassyK, Double D and I allllll know Ace from another board. We have all played together MANY MANY times, and are all very familiar with each other's playing styles. Those two posts looking so much like each other is very suspcious to say the least. With that said, I thinkCaller or Ver or MTF is the best way to go. For now, ##I vote Caller. so you've played with klassyk before? how would you classify his playing style? | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
On November 18 2008 03:16 cgrinker wrote: ##I'll vote collar what is this i don't even | ||
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MrBabyHands
United States72 Posts
On November 18 2008 04:35 Versatile wrote: I don't require any help "being cool". Thanks though oh that was just my intro. see now i got your attention. now i go in for the win So how bout me and you get to gether and make sweat magic in the sheets? (chicks used to tell me i got game. so i know how to appeal to your feminine affects) | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
On November 18 2008 04:36 MTF wrote: The Case Against Plexa & Co. First, Plexa puts himself up for candidacy: I wouldn't call this out of character for Plexa. It's just a short, friendly post saying he'd like to be considered. I myself voted for him because I want him to stay alive and, having played closely with him before, know he can organize town. However, then the vote list got put up, with me and Plexa tied with six each, which led to: + Show Spoiler + On November 17 2008 22:44 Showtime! wrote: Why in the blue hell do people want MTF as mayor? He's one of the worst clue interpreters I've ever seen. Sure, he puts a lot of effort into it but Jesus he's usually wrong. ##I'll stand by my single vote for Caller in the meantime. That is unless he's decided to stop running. EDIT (just wanted to add new info): Ver, I agree. Perhaps you should run for mayor, but keep in mind all the sheep are likely going to vote for Plexa (decent choice) or MTF (I think everyone knows where I stand on this one now). I've played with Caller in the past. He's smart. :. I stand by him for now. and + Show Spoiler + On November 17 2008 23:11 Showtime! wrote: MTF commits a lot of red herrings and he goes off on many different tangents. It's very bad. Last game it was his downfall. He was trying effortlessly to get the Town off the mafia's tail and it failed horribly. Clue interpretation is only but one side to the coin. We need someone who is fairly organized and has clear thoughts. Someone such as Caller or yourself. Plexa would be an ideal candidate for Pardoner. He's great at writing articles, but how good is he at running a Town? Plexa most likely got a Specialty Role this time around as there are many. Now, Showtime has no reason to hate me, so I know he's not defacing me for the sake of anomosity. He also ignored the fact that I was extremely accurate in Chuiu's second game of Mafia and instead displays town's excellent game in Chuiu's third game as proof against my abilities. At the very same time, he's saying that Plexa should get in as Pardoner, and then pretends to play devils' advocate by saying "but how good is he really?" without answering. I think he may have been trying to bait someone into answering for him so he didn't have to do all the promotion himself. Finally, he asserts that Plexa may be blue this game, just because of their numbers. All very weak and heavy-handed. It's a pretty obvious attempt to sway people to vote Plexa instead of me as we were neck and neck in votes at the time of his posting. And then came the nails in the coffin: + Show Spoiler + On November 18 2008 01:05 KlassyK wrote: Having read/skimmed over ~17 pages, ## I vote Plexa for Mayor I've read games that have been played on here, and I think Plexa has the intelligence and leadership ability to run the town well. On November 18 2008 03:54 mischief6000 wrote: Having read/skimmed over 20 pages, ## I vote Plexa for Mayor I think Plexa has the intelligence and leadership ability to run the town I can't help feeling sorry for Plexa, as the Showtime stuff only made him suspect to me, but this mistake by mischief and Klassy is going to bury their chances. I now strongly suspect he is an AoC or Godfather, and that Showtime, mischief, and Klassy are mafia in his family. I would kindly like to ask everyone who voted Plexa now to rescind your votes and place them elsewhere, as I truly feel we've got four mafia at the very beginning of this game. I doubt that lynching anybody right now is a good idea but I do think that we should definitely keep an eye on them until at least next night. actually, we should keep an eye on everyone who voted for Plexa. Does anybody have a list here? You're slowly convincing me, MTF. But I have this nagging feeling that you're on the other family, haha | ||
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MTF
United States1739 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On November 17 2008 17:49 Mandalor wrote: My vote goes to... Plexa On November 17 2008 17:53 Mhugues wrote: I vote plexa On November 17 2008 18:05 delanZia wrote: ## Voting for Plexa while ideal he is, as pointed out, the best pardoner I would rather have him as mayor than as neither so I hope he gets second but wouldn't mind him winning. While he could be mafia who is not running for mayor to throw people off I get this sinking feeling in my stomach that if Plexia is mafia we have already lost. On November 17 2008 17:02 SpiralArchitect wrote: Prolly Mafia ## Voting for Plexa neway On November 17 2008 20:38 wurm wrote: ## I vote Plexa for Mayor On November 17 2008 23:38 Spike wrote: ## I vote Plexa for mayor. In case I won't be around to tonight. On November 17 2008 23:48 HeRoS)Pink wrote: ## I vote for plexa | ||
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nemY
United States3119 Posts
On November 18 2008 02:53 Qatol wrote: I don't think outing the traitor role really does anything for you either way. We know that ShadowDrgn sent that PM to at least several people that aren't mafia (I got it and I think I saw someone else also say they got that PM a few pages back). I think that a mafia member may try to use that PM to gain the trust of the town Here's the situation. When I was mafia last game (TL Mafia 3), it was (or at least should have been) plainly obvious that I was mafia. Why? Because I'm a terrible fucking actor. I mean look through the posts that were made by me last game and tell me, "HOW IS THIS GUY NOT MAFIA". So far this game I've done nothing to that accord (at least I think I have not). The first thing I said/did in this game (once I got my role) was call out the PM I received (admittedly a dumb decision on my part, I pretty much foiled any trap/plan of ShadowDrgn's), but come on do you think a mafia would ever finger the traitor (whether it be real or fake) this early in the game? No! That's fucking stupid because doing that immediately draws suspicion to you. There's really only two possibilities here a) I am Godfather b) I am townie/blue (not traitor though  )Oh yeah, nemY for mayor. He's legit! :D | ||
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MTF
United States1739 Posts
On November 18 2008 04:41 Caller wrote: I doubt that lynching anybody right now is a good idea but I do think that we should definitely keep an eye on them until at least next night. actually, we should keep an eye on everyone who voted for Plexa. Does anybody have a list here? You're slowly convincing me, MTF. But I have this nagging feeling that you're on the other family, haha Well, if it works like Chuiu's second game, Mayor gets to lynch someone of his choosing upon election. I'm just putting forth evidence for who that should be and who we should look at after that. :p I'd lynch Showtime! or one of the twin posters to see if they come up red, and if they do, then I'd go after Plexa in the next actual Day lynch. | ||
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Versatile
United States396 Posts
On November 18 2008 04:37 MrBabyHands wrote: so you've played with klassyk before? how would you classify his playing style? KlassyK is also a girl. And a very good player. Maybe you should try enticing her instead. She's the nicer of the two of us | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
On November 18 2008 04:47 MTF wrote: Well, if it works like Chuiu's second game, Mayor gets to lynch someone of his choosing upon election. I'm just putting forth evidence for who that should be and who we should look at after that. :p I'd lynch Showtime! or one of the twin posters to see if they come up red, and if they do, then I'd go after Plexa in the next actual Day lynch. that sounds like a good assumption i'm hesitant to lynch showtime tho for the moment as I kind of agree with some of his positions. that being said the twins seem definitely odd. | ||
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MTF
United States1739 Posts
On November 18 2008 04:34 Versatile wrote: Agreed @ MTF and Kweezy. Note to everyone: Kweezy, mischief6000, KlassyK, Double D and I allllll know Ace from another board. We have all played together MANY MANY times, and are all very familiar with each other's playing styles. Those two posts looking so much like each other is very suspcious to say the least. With that said, I thinkCaller or Ver or MTF is the best way to go. For now, ##I vote Caller. Based on this I'd say lynch Klassy or mischief6000 instead of Plexa or Showtime! from the get-go. Seeing as they have supposedly played multiple games, I'm having a hard time believing they'd make such a huge, glaring mistake. The cases against them are actually the strongest because of their mirrored posts, so take them out first. We can work out whether or not Plexa is mafia in the time it takes for us to do that and decide if they really just made a big mistake or were trying for misdirection. | ||
Ver
United States2186 Posts
On March 19 2008 00:45 Ace wrote: The Bodyguard Plan This is a strategy I've used in the past to win games, and it works very well if even a slight majority of the main players involved use it. The base of this plan lends itself to the fact that no innocent Townie knows for sure who else is innocent or what roles they are. Also is the fact that the main disadvantage the Town has is lack of information, whereas our main advantage is numbers. Combining these two things is the Bodyguard Plan. At the start of the game, the only non-Mafia/elected roles that any other player can possibly know for sure is a Bodyguard. The Mayor receives this info once elected into office. This plan is best with an innocent Mayor, but it also forces a Mafia Mayor to help the town in the event he/she is ever elected. When the Mayor is elected, their first plan of action should be to PM all the Bodyguards each other's identities. This pus information into the hands of the Townies that is critical. Assume there are 7 bodyguards. The Mayor PMs all of them the identity of the other 6. All of them then PM each other to 1: confirm they got a PM stating they are the bodyguard from the Mayor 2: make sure they ALL have the same list of Bodyguards In the case of an Innocent Mayor doing this, we have 7 townies all on the same side off the jump and this will be a major help to the Town if they all know the roles of 6 other innocents asap. In the case of a Mafia Mayor he could actually try and add a Mafia member to the list of Bodyguards or ignore a real Bodyguard - and this is where the true failsafe in the plan comes in. Failsafe: Remember, all Bodyguards SHOULD get that PM. If any of the Bodyguards don't get it then they should know something is clearly fishy and should investigate hastily. The Mayor would be investigated from Day 1, so the Town will know for sure if he/she is innocent or not which will allow the Bodyguards to know they can or can't trust the Mayor. If the Mayor turns out dirty, the Bodyguards will clearly speak up asap. If the Mayor is legit, then that Bodyguard list is 100% legit and ensures we have a solid base to start from. In summary the idea of this plan is self checking: 1.) The Bodyguards know they have to get a PM 2.) The Mayor knows they have to PM the Bodyguards the Bodyguard list 3.) The Bodyguards PM each other to check their lists 4.) The Mayor also knows that they will be investigated asap by a DT If the Mayor tends to be Mafia and releases a corrupted list, then the BGs will speak up and name the people on the list. The DTs paying attention to this, investigate the names. In the case of an innocent Mayor this 100% guarantees us safety, in the case of a Mafia Mayor it takes us at worst 2 days to clean up the mess. This is my plan of action to start the game off. In the event the list is released publicly, the best part of this plan is that the spotlight is taken off of the Detectives and put on the Bodyguards. This allows the Detectives to stay quiet, and for the Medics to have a list of people they need to watch. Remember what I stated earlier - the Town's main disadvantage is that we lack information and this plan serves to rectify that while maximizing our main advantage - numbers. Once the base has been formed (Mayors + Bodyguards) we can start generating a list of suspects together, and figuring out roles down the road. To succeed the Town needs a strong start, and this plan is one of such. I will be assuming that everyone has read this, as it is the core of whatever our strategy will be. First off, Plexa being mayor is NOT in the town's best interests as things stand (read previous posts). Indeed, him being pardonner is very questionable due to the potential of the AgentofChaos. At this point, we should be voting for the people who are making the most logical sense, not anyone who is trying to Fakesteve themselves into a position of power. Plexa has made one post with barely any substance and is looking to get in purely on past merit. The fact that he is trying for pardonner inherently makes him more suspicious than someone. Therefore I urge you to please reconsider your vote for him. MTF is even a more solid choice to be pardonner. This mafia game is going to be considerably more interesting and less mechanical, because there are a lot of holes that must be taken into consideration. It is quite possible that there are problems with my preliminary plan, because a) I'm in a hurry and just came up with it and b) I'm ridiculously overtired. So please please doublecheck it and give feedback. Okay, to start off my plan and thoughts, it is best that everyone work together to formulate a logical plan with the least holes possible. For those who don't want to read all this, just skim to the bottom where there's a brief summary. While individual people should be proposing their additions to the overall plan (posted above), as a town we should agree on a finalized version of the plan to hold the Mayor accountable to. Unlike the old game there is no hard verification (I'll go into this in a sec) of the Mayor's innocence or guilt. This means that we must hold the Mayor accountable to a set of actions and threaten to kill him if he deviates from this without very good reason. And as a town we should put together the most logical compilation of everyone's contributions. So if I or anyone else is leaving something out or has a hole in their reasoning, please please point it out (in public). This can be enough to root out any Mafia mayor's over time, but there is still the issue of information leaking. I will discuss this below. Here is the problem set to deal with in regards to the Mayor: First, there is the potential for a Godfather/traitor Mayor. This is the most obvious issue, and there are two ways to go about it: to hold them accountable to the plan and kill them if otherwise. This is risky, because we could be sending the Mafia key information (i,e roles or who really knows their stuff and needs to be killed). Thus, unless for some reason the Mayor can be virtually proven innocent (I don't see how that is possible, but just to keep in mind), we risk a substantial leak that goes far beyond the bodyguards if we want to have early central organization and authority. Bodyguard leader alternative Bodyguards are the only proven innocent privately class as a group. That is, all 5 bodyguards+mayor knows that those people are innocent without alerting to anyone else. The Mayor of course PMs the bodyguards who each other are as per the Ace plan, and they pm each other on the list to confirm it. Fake bodyguards are easily rooted out this way. I don't see this as much of an issue, especially as with 5+1 Mafia, each side will be loathe to sacrifice a member that is so easily rooted out. Now, this idea is to designate one of the bodyguards publically (after discussing it privately amongst the 6 and making sure everyone agrees and knows) as the person to send information to. This bodyguard then becomes the head spokesman of the town, and of course receives heavy protection. It is imperative that everyone send their roles to this person as soon as there is no debate over the bodyguard's validity. While it sucks having to use a BG be a spokesman, I don't see any way around this unless we can somehow trust the Mayor (we would want some other voices besides the Mayor anyway, so it's just the medics will be protecting a BG rather than a random outspoken person). He shares the information he received with the Mayor and the other bodyguards, and whoever else gets into the inner circle. They discuss plans, etc. Mayor finalizes, bodyguards hold Mayor to decision. However, the lead bodyguard does not share the identity of the information with the Mayor or anyone outside of the bodyguards. Thus, in case of a leak, at most the info lost is the town's plans. The identities of everyone are kept secret by the only proven innocent people. Note that this information can be spread amonst the Elders too (see backup plan below) once the Elders reveal their role to the bodyguard and prove it. I'll talk more about Godfather behavior in a later post. Secondly, there is the Agent of Chaos potential. I hadn't read closely earlier, but it appears the Agent of Chaos can detonate themself whenever. So if they are getting voted to be lynched...boom dead. The only way to block this would be with the other family's bone breaker disabling them and then lynching, but the other family gains more from the AoC than the latter's family, since getting rid of BGs early is a huge deal They will be seen by the detectives report, but there really seems to be no way of getting the Agent of Chaos dead before they can suicide. This also applies to Pardonner as well as Mayor. I don't see an way around this other than not electing an AoC, which is almost impossible to determine at this point in the game, as it is very very hard to discern anything of roles this early. Like someone else above, this makes me suspicious of Plexa, at least more so than the others. It's rather worrisome that he's getting so many votes. We do not want him to be Mayor as things stand, and pardonner is more risky than another candidate because of Plexa's peculiar wish to be pardonner and not mayor. This is why I made that statement above. Lastly, there is the problem of the traitor. Don't have time and not sure if I want to say this, so I'll leave it for later posts. In this game, where even the rolecheck and votecheck are not 100% certain (4/84 can bypass it), the bodyguard is one of two proven roles (and the only one privately proven; elder is public). Because it is quite possible that the 'inner circle' might be penetrated, we have to be very very careful about giving out BG identities. My idea is that only 1 bodyguard is revealed as the inner circle, and this person is heavily protected and does most of the speaking through. Or the Mayor/pardonner can do the speaking, but only the bodyguards (and elders) know who is who. It is important to spread this information to all the bgs/elders asap so that it doesn't die out too fast. The backup plan: In the case of the Mayor/Pardonnership getting compromised, either by a leak, a mafia officeholder, eventual bodyguard death, or an Agent of Chaos, here is the backup plan. Just like in Mafia 1, there is an Elder here. The Elder is the other unique role, for they can prove themselves innocent by showing their ability to vote twice. The Elder creates a natural 'mayor' type figure, although they are vulnerable. We have 3 elders, and clearly only 1 elder should be used as the 'spokesperson' at a time, which is from the moment they prove themselves publically and say 'send all your info to me' and death. The paramedics should be concentrating all their energies on saving the Elder, unless there is a clear detective/jack/vigi who is going to make a key play the next round, when they should split the protection. The most important thing for the town is to have someone to coordinate and assemble data. When one dies, the next one steps up. This should be a nice transition from the Mayor/pardonner phase, whether as an emergency or natural step. With 3 elders, this should last at minimum 3 days if not many more (depending on how many medics are alive and how much they have to protect). This will likely provide the town all the impetus it needs to set up the solid framework of vote checks and analyses to hunt down the remaining Mafia. Elders are a backup plan because they are low in number. Summary: -1 BG handles all the info from everyone after proven innocent etc. He shares the info with the inner circle but only proven innocent people (BGs and Elders initially) get the role info. The Mayor is much less important in this setup but the Mayor will still see plenty of action, because remember, the Mayor is in office because (hopefully hopefully) they are logical and clearheaded, while bodyguard is not a voluntary position. -Sorry I'm really in a hurry but want to make this before too much time passes. It's only preliminary, and I'll be on in a few hours anyways. I will make a followup post about offensive action (how to proceed once the initial position is sound), and likely behavior and what to expect (have 2 hr class now). | ||
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Versatile
United States396 Posts
On November 18 2008 04:53 MTF wrote: Based on this I'd say lynch Klassy or mischief6000 instead of Plexa or Showtime! from the get-go. Seeing as they have supposedly played multiple games, I'm having a hard time believing they'd make such a huge, glaring mistake. The cases against them are actually the strongest because of their mirrored posts, so take them out first. We can work out whether or not Plexa is mafia in the time it takes for us to do that and decide if they really just made a big mistake or were trying for misdirection. Well, mischief6000 is a bit more random than KlassyK, so it reflects on her (Klassy) a bit more seriously. I'd hold off on lynching either one of them though. I think this Plexa group serves more as a good group for DTs to investigate for the time being. | ||
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MTF
United States1739 Posts
## I vote for Ver. And again, I'd urge all of those voting for Plexa to place your votes elsewhere. Look to my previous posts if you aren't understanding why. | ||
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Showtime!
Canada2938 Posts
On November 18 2008 03:34 BuGzlToOnl wrote: Wow, there's a lot of words which I probably skimmed through in about ~20 or so minutes. But if I read things through correctly nemY, Caller, MTF, and Plexa are the ones running for Mayor and the most likely people to get voted? nemY would vote for you b/c I love you, but I think Ace might have put you in Mafia to try to kill me really quickly to get revenge for the things I did to you last last game. Caller I didn't like your pictures so I say nay to you. MTF theres a lot of very, very, very long paragraphs which I didn't really read the last game, but you seem to be a good candidate for it seeing that people liked you. Plexa you too wrote out very, very long paragraphs which I didn't really read, but seemed to be very helpful. Would vote for Plexa, but you killed my lover nemY last game by mass PM'ing everyone to kill him while I retracted my vote after we made sweet love and I was sure he wasn't Mafia. That being said... ## I Vote MTF for Mayor. Plus I like the mushy blogs he wrote out about him and his girlfriend. Don't judge a book by it's cover. I worked with Caller in game 2 and I know what he's all about. I'm still waiting to hear the proposals because the framework from Ace's plan in game 2 won't work as convincingly here. There are some obvious loopholes with the new roles. MTF didn't mean for my post to come off as a personal attack. You made yourself the Mafia scapegoat last game by trying really hard to take attention off your cronies and it backfired. In game 2 you nailed quite a few of them and you have always been very active. What bothers me is the volume of clue interpretation you release as it could confuse those who aren't as active in the game. Here, less is more. Sometimes the obvious answer is the right one. i.e. Starting to call the police 9-1. Family Guy reference to the Evil Monkey in the Closet. decaf. And so on. With that said, I recommend everyone to post a few clues at a time. | ||
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MTF
United States1739 Posts
On November 18 2008 05:04 Versatile wrote: Well, mischief6000 is a bit more random than KlassyK, so it reflects on her (Klassy) a bit more seriously. I'd hold off on lynching either one of them though. I think this Plexa group serves more as a good group for DTs to investigate for the time being. That makes no logical sense at all. If we lynch them and find red, not only does one of the families suffer a loss of a hit at the very start, we also gain information about whether or not Plexa/Showtime!/the other twin poster is more suspect or not. Using one of the few DT rolechecks we have to investigate those people is wasting both time and abilities when we can get answers in a much more succinct manner. And alongside that, there are no better suspects to speak of, so it makes even less sense to deviate from this. | ||
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Versatile
United States396 Posts
On November 18 2008 05:09 MTF wrote: That makes no logical sense at all. If we lynch them and find red, not only does one of the families suffer a loss of a hit at the very start, we also gain information about whether or not Plexa/Showtime!/the other twin poster is more suspect or not. Using one of the few DT rolechecks we have to investigate those people is wasting both time and abilities when we can get answers in a much more succinct manner. And alongside that, there are no better suspects to speak of, so it makes even less sense to deviate from this. I see what you're saying, I guess I just don't want to run the risk of killing an innocent so quickly. What if they are blues? We lose an innocent and have gained no information, because that doesn't mean Plexa is necessarily innocent. also, I change my vote. ##I vote Ver. | ||
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MTF
United States1739 Posts
On November 18 2008 05:08 Showtime! wrote: MTF didn't mean for my post to come off as a personal attack. You made yourself the Mafia scapegoat last game by trying really hard to take attention off your cronies and it backfired. In game 2 you nailed quite a few of them and you have always been very active. What bothers me is the volume of clue interpretation you release as it could confuse those who aren't as active in the game. Here, less is more. Sometimes the obvious answer is the right one. With that said, I recommend everyone to post a few clues at a time. Don't worry about it, I didn't take it as a personal attack. :p I actually wanted to kill off one of my fellows off to gain some ground, but nobody was inactive enough in the group to do so with. And I only did fake clue analysis because I knew it would be expected of me considering the last mafia game, not because I felt obligated to save my team. I'm still not understanding your position on my inability, really, other than that I release a lot of material and am sometimes overcomplicating things. Which is true on both fronts, but you can't argue against the results I had doing so when I was on town's side. | ||
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