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On November 17 2008 23:00 Ver wrote:
We shouldn't even consider a person for mayor who's only credentials is clue analysis. I don't know whether he is good or bad but a good mayor is someone who can organize the town and make the intelligent decisions from a solid plan. The mayor could be the worst clue analyzer possible and still be far better than the Plexa/MTF/Camlito team from game 2 as mayor, because clue analyzing isn't the mayor's job. He's the guy that gathers all the evidence from everyone and says 'kill this guy.' The mayor has a big role in getting the intial town power bloc going. People don't seem to realize that Ace had to deal with a town of crap getting the infrastructure set up in game 2 before everything ran so smoothly and mafias died in a row.
Clue analyzers can stay anonymous and pm the mayor once he's trusted, or they can get medic help. Getting Plexa or MTF on pardonner would be great; that is the ideal place for the clue analyzer, since not only is he safe, but it is a safe/checked person that can get the analysis from everyone else too.
Caller is definitely the best candidate so far, although I wish he'd revamp the bodyguard plan. Someone who went through all the hard times in setting up the town infrastructure is very valuable and with the limited supply of candidates he looks to have the best odds at getting the town off on the right foot.
##I vote for Caller. Might change later if there's a better candidate who emerges but for now he's really the only choice.
Based upon what you said you should be supporting MTF or Plexa. "Getting Plexa or MTF on pardoner would be great; that is the ideal place for the clue analyzer." In the above post someone said "He (MTF) is one of the worst clue interpreters I've ever seen." Based upon your logic you would probably want Plexa or MTF to be the mayor and then have Caller be the pardoner, but that's just me.
I think we should hear what each of these guys are planning to do this round to stop the mafia. An exact plan (Obama change speeches are NOT ALLOWED!!!). I'm going to wait to vote if we have some time today? If we don't plz let me know asap.
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On November 17 2008 23:50 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2008 23:00 Ver wrote:
We shouldn't even consider a person for mayor who's only credentials is clue analysis. I don't know whether he is good or bad but a good mayor is someone who can organize the town and make the intelligent decisions from a solid plan. The mayor could be the worst clue analyzer possible and still be far better than the Plexa/MTF/Camlito team from game 2 as mayor, because clue analyzing isn't the mayor's job. He's the guy that gathers all the evidence from everyone and says 'kill this guy.' The mayor has a big role in getting the intial town power bloc going. People don't seem to realize that Ace had to deal with a town of crap getting the infrastructure set up in game 2 before everything ran so smoothly and mafias died in a row.
Clue analyzers can stay anonymous and pm the mayor once he's trusted, or they can get medic help. Getting Plexa or MTF on pardonner would be great; that is the ideal place for the clue analyzer, since not only is he safe, but it is a safe/checked person that can get the analysis from everyone else too.
Caller is definitely the best candidate so far, although I wish he'd revamp the bodyguard plan. Someone who went through all the hard times in setting up the town infrastructure is very valuable and with the limited supply of candidates he looks to have the best odds at getting the town off on the right foot.
##I vote for Caller. Might change later if there's a better candidate who emerges but for now he's really the only choice. Based upon what you said you should be supporting MTF or Plexa. "Getting Plexa or MTF on pardoner would be great; that is the ideal place for the clue analyzer." In the above post someone said "He (MTF) is one of the worst clue interpreters I've ever seen." Based upon your logic you would probably want Plexa or MTF to be the mayor and then have Caller be the pardoner, but that's just me. I think we should hear what each of these guys are planning to do this round to stop the mafia. An exact plan (Obama change speeches are NOT ALLOWED!!!). I'm going to wait to vote if we have some time today? If we don't plz let me know asap.
I don't follow. The Mayor is the one who has to organize the town by nature (because we don't know the identity of the pardonner and only the Mayor knows the bodyguards). The pardonner can do nothing (i,e Randombum), or he can help out by being one of the few limited speakers.
Ideally, either myself or Caller should be Mayor, and one of the clue analyzers be pardonner.
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Great, now you're going to split the votes Ver.
I don't know you personally well enough. I'll either vote for you, or Caller depending on who needs my vote more.
The Town is in a bad position with more running mates.
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Ideally it would be great to have a clue analyzer as pardonner. But I dunno it jus tseems very suspicious to me.
I will revise the bodyguard plan, as requested, and will get that up soon.
When do elections close anyways? Z_Z
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REMOVE ME FROM THE MAYORAL ELECTIONS
thank you
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Ace already said Tuesday morning.
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On November 18 2008 00:02 clazziquai wrote:
REMOVE ME FROM THE MAYORAL ELECTIONS
thank you
I want to tell all my voters: thanks for supporting me but I think that I am not the best candidate in the spot for mayor. Although I could probably do a decent job (hopefully  ) there are many more people suitable for mayor. I think that Caller is the best for the spot, following Plexa/MTF (Clue analyzers) with Pardoner. These people are the MOST qualified. At first I thought Caller running for mayor was a complete joke (due to his pics and whatnot) but what Showtime and Ver said has strongly convinced my opinion.
I vote Caller for Mayor
ALL MY VOTERS SHOULD CHANGE YOUR VOTES TO CALLER! I AM NO LONGER IN THE ELECTION.
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That makes things a bit easier.
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You bring up a good point, but to be honest Callers campaign was a bit of a joke from the beginning, so ill wait for the candidates to elaborate their plans before casting my final vote.
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On November 17 2008 23:55 Ver wrote:
Ideally, either myself or Caller should be Mayor, and one of the clue analyzers be pardonner.
This is what I'm getting at. It seems that some people believe that Plexa and MTF are not 'good clue analyzers' (check my last post and go to the previous page). Both of these guys are great at organizing the town. Playing in 3 mafia games with them I am aware of their capabilities and they would be great for the mayor position. I'm still confused as to whether Caller would be good for either position right now. As for voting for you, I'd like to hear your revised plan before I commit. I mean if you really think you can take the mayoral position then it would be nice to hear it now.
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Having read/skimmed over ~17 pages, ## I vote Plexa for Mayor
I've read games that have been played on here, and I think Plexa has the intelligence and leadership ability to run the town well. I also think that he's played enough on here that other good players would eventually be able to realize that he's misleading the town (if he's mafia)
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REVISIONS
Now we all know that they are several roles that can masquerade as a townie that are mafia aligned/allied, such as godfather, traitor, etc. I still think that we should proceed by scanning the mayor, just in case they are AoC. But I would be very quiet about this information as they will almost assuredly sac themselves if in danger of being lynched. To counter this, I propose that everybody sends the mayor (hopefully me) their roles. If we have inconsistencies among our ranks clearly we have some dirty liars that need to be singled out.
However, there is another way to prove innocence: If the mayor is a blue, they can use their ability and give the bodyguards prior warning about said ability, i.e. if they are a vigilante they will say they will kill x. target. This may be a trouble with a DT mayor, as they could be lying, but a solution is to verify a certain clue as it applies to a certain mafia, preferably analyzed by one of our expert clue analyzers. Then if we lynch and they flop red, its all good and they keep using their ability until they die or they slip up. If they are “innocent” we should still lynch them anyways just to check, and they may also be godfather.
If we instead have a green townie, it will be much less convenient: that is why having a list of as many roles as possible will help. If the mayor is mafia they will undoubtedly make slight changes to the list, at which point a bodyguard may sacrifice himself to check that everybody in question has their “role” confirmed. Failing that he can raise the alarm and we can lynch the mayor. The BG then will act as a temporary leader until he gets killed.
At this point we should continue with Ace’s normal plan.
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##I vote Caller for mayor
Plexa always plays so silent in the begining of a mafia game, it makes me afraid 
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there's something not right with clazziquai/caller and showtime! working in team this early in the game
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On November 18 2008 01:16 HeRoS)Pink wrote:
there's something not right with clazziquai/caller and showtime! working in team this early in the game
tbh i really don't know why clazziquai did that
perhaps he's concerned about sticking his head out too much/maybe he genuinely thinks i'd be better?
you could also make the same case about amber[light] and plexa and mtf, but i think that amber[light] honeslty believes that their analysis is good.
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On November 18 2008 00:00 Showtime! wrote:
Great, now you're going to split the votes Ver.
I don't know you personally well enough. I'll either vote for you, or Caller depending on who needs my vote more.
The Town is in a bad position with more running mates.
Yeah I agree with this. The issue was a) the voters b) I was still somewhat leery about Caller because he hadn't addressed the changed game. I am doing the same path that Ace did in game 2 where he and Ghar appealed to the same section and from this Ace ended up winning despite horrible candidates getting bandwagon votes early on. However, this is risky because the voting is only a day (wow really short) this time. I'm kind of unsure right now, and I might end up withdrawing prematurely if it looks to be a split.
Amber, the bad clue analyzer charge was directed against MTF by Showtime. I cannot comment because when I read the previous games I did not look closely at the clues analyzation or who was saying what, especially since they were working together. All I know is that a string of mafia were found with the use of clue analyzation combined with voting lists, so someone or all of them were doing their jobs well.
The reason I am hesitant about them is because they used their reason for running for Mayor as being a good clue analyzer. Again, this is not an important qualification at all for Mayor. They might very well be good organizers and have a good plan, but if they say their qualification for office is being a clue analyzer, then they are ignoring what is important for Mayor and thus are likely to not be up to the job.
Actually I will single out MTF here since Plexa said he didn't want to be Mayor and for the reasons I outlined in my previous post he should not be Mayor. More importantly, they were getting bandwagoned solely because of name recognition and past game performances. This is not the right way to elect a Mayor. Now if MTF posts again with a clear and well thought out plan I would totally change my mind, but until then I don't think he's the right choice.
Caller is good imo because he was in the inside framework at the very start of mafia 2, being a bodyguard. This means he knows all the behind-the-scenes details that were done in order to set up the town's network. This is something I lack (and would have to play by ear and logic), because these inner workings were not documented in the thread. I am a little hesitant to fully support him at the moment (part of the reason I'm running) because he hasn't put forth any major plans yet, but his experience is big.
I am formatting my first edition of the plan/overall thoughts in my next post (shortly)
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On November 18 2008 00:02 clazziquai wrote:
REMOVE ME FROM THE MAYORAL ELECTIONS
thank you
Due to this ## I vote Plexa for pardoner and Nemy for mayor. I am not sure if the voting works like that, so I vote for Plexa if I can only vote once.
That was really gay clazzi, I was expecting some Barack Obama change here.
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On November 17 2008 22:44 Showtime! wrote:
Why in the blue hell do people want MTF as mayor?
He's one of the worst clue interpreters I've ever seen. Sure, he puts a lot of effort into it but Jesus he's usually wrong.
You, uh, do realize that my clue analysis from game three was wrong because it was all fake, right? And that I pinned six Mafia down in three mafia days (the measure between how long I was active and how long before I was killed) with clue analysis? Honestly, not to be self-indulgent or anything, but if you've seen better results from a single person, point it out. And be specific, 'cause here's my blog link to prove my own accuracy.
Actually, thinking about it further, it's weird that you're pushing Plexa and slamming me at the same time. I don't think it's a real personal attack, seeing as I know you pay attention during the games. So, unless you've ignored everything, you have a reason for getting Plexa in above me.
I withdraw my vote for Plexa and vote for Ver.
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On November 18 2008 01:24 Ver wrote:
Actually I will single out MTF here since Plexa said he didn't want to be Mayor and for the reasons I outlined in my previous post he should not be Mayor. More importantly, they were getting bandwagoned solely because of name recognition and past game performances. This is not the right way to elect a Mayor. Now if MTF posts again with a clear and well thought out plan I would totally change my mind, but until then I don't think he's the right choice.
I'll gladly be pardoner instead. There just wasn't anyone more qualified to run for it before you put in your own candidacy. :p
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