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United States2186 Posts
I don't like this. So far no candidate has actually offered a new plan of their own, just saying they'll follow Ace's plan from game 2, which is clearly a different game. Thus, while the bodyguard plan may be a sound start, we need to have revisions of how to adapt to the new environment. How to take advantage of 2 families, what to do about godfather, traitor, etc. Even if the mayor is mafia, by forcing them to hold to their original plan (which better be good) we can make the most out of a bad situation.
This means candidates should detail their plans, at least what 'can' be said without giving anything important away. Things like how they plan to use blue roles, organization etc. Organization was clearly proven in mafia two to be the most important thing for the town
Experience, clue ability are all nice but what we need are a set of plans that we can follow, not just sheep votes for poor candidacies. I don't have time to be mayor myself, and while pardoner would be nice, Plexa is likely going to have his wish at this rate lol.
And 1 person being mafia means nothing, unless they are the Godfather. So don't despair! If someone really shrewd is the Godfather or can lead people around like lemmings due to their status, then we might be in trouble. Everyone saw how easily Ace got owned last game, despite convincing everyone with much better arguing ability. In a game where the role upon death, 1vs1 situations are definitely bad for the mafia.
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## I vote Plexa for Mayor
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THE CLAZZIQUAI PROJECT - DESTROY ALL MAFIA. VOTE FOR ME FOR MAYOROf all four games, counting this, I am innocent THREE Times now. I can promise you many things. - I have played Mafia four times now.
- Although a mere voter/player, I have experience from BOTH the town side as well as the mafia side
- I will either use Ace's plan from Mafia 2 or try and create a plan of my own.
- I will also abide to whatever the town does.
- Lastly, if I am elected, I will promise the town a secure victory.
For the past three games, I've really done nothing to help my side, just vote and watch, really. This time I want to make a change and ultimately, and win for the town. So vote for me! I won't fail to deliver. Make the RIGHT CHOICE.
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France231 Posts
## I vote MTF for mayor
Ver is right though, the mayor should adapt a plan to the new rules.
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Ah, fuck it.
I vote for Caller. He was very implementable in the other games and he's already on the right track.
I would urge the other townies to vote for him likewise.
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Correct me if I am wrong, here are the vote counts:
clazziquai (7)
Scaramanga
WaterghostCLAWDragon
renegade_zerg
MyHeroNoob
Malongo
meegrean
Tensai176
Plexa (5)
SpiralArchitect
Mandalor
Mhuegues
delanzia
wurm
MTF (6)
Bl00dyCobbler
Lenwe
Zbir
softer
ecomania
Ninja4ever
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Vote Me for Mayor. I have plenty of Mafia experience with Aces AND I will follow the BG plan Versatile brought up.
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Why in the blue hell do people want MTF as mayor?
He's one of the worst clue interpreters I've ever seen. Sure, he puts a lot of effort into it but Jesus he's usually wrong.
##I'll stand by my single vote for Caller in the meantime. That is unless he's decided to stop running.
EDIT (just wanted to add new info): Ver, I agree. Perhaps you should run for mayor, but keep in mind all the sheep are likely going to vote for Plexa (decent choice) or MTF (I think everyone knows where I stand on this one now).
I've played with Caller in the past. He's smart. :. I stand by him for now.
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Belgium9950 Posts
## I vote Plexa for mayor.
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United States2186 Posts
We shouldn't even consider a person for mayor who's only credentials is clue analysis. I don't know whether he is good or bad but a good mayor is someone who can organize the town and make the intelligent decisions from a solid plan. The mayor could be the worst clue analyzer possible and still be far better than the Plexa/MTF/Camlito team from game 2 as mayor, because clue analyzing isn't the mayor's job. He's the guy that gathers all the evidence from everyone and says 'kill this guy.' The mayor has a big role in getting the intial town power bloc going. People don't seem to realize that Ace had to deal with a town of crap getting the infrastructure set up in game 2 before everything ran so smoothly and mafias died in a row.
Clue analyzers can stay anonymous and pm the mayor once he's trusted, or they can get medic help. Getting Plexa or MTF on pardonner would be great; that is the ideal place for the clue analyzer, since not only is he safe, but it is a safe/checked person that can get the analysis from everyone else too.
Caller is definitely the best candidate so far, although I wish he'd revamp the bodyguard plan. Someone who went through all the hard times in setting up the town infrastructure is very valuable and with the limited supply of candidates he looks to have the best odds at getting the town off on the right foot.
##I vote for Caller. Might change later if there's a better candidate who emerges but for now he's really the only choice.
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MTF commits a lot of red herrings and he goes off on many different tangents. It's very bad.
Last game it was his downfall. He was trying effortlessly to get the Town off the mafia's tail and it failed horribly.
Clue interpretation is only but one side to the coin. We need someone who is fairly organized and has clear thoughts. Someone such as Caller or yourself.
Plexa would be an ideal candidate for Pardoner. He's great at writing articles, but how good is he at running a Town?
Plexa most likely got a Specialty Role this time around as there are many.
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Having worked with clazz in the past, i do not doubt his sincerity.... i'm just not sure if he is the right person for the job (nothing personal)! I also have a much better feel for the way mtf, plexa, and caller (somewhat) tend to post. Having either of those 3 in the mayor/pardoner spot isn't necessarily a bad thing. There was a post several pages back, I think by Ver or Versatile (names too similar lol), where he argued that we should elect a mayor that we know is intelligent. this way, we can be more sure of his choices, and then if he is making choices that are bad for the town it is less likely he is makign those choices by accident or through careless thought.
that said, i think i ## vote for caller.
the whole thing i think brings up an interesting meta-game dilemma. having played with each other for several times now, we know who most of the high profile, dangerous players are. this means that these people are more likely to be checked, gather votes for mayor, given cement shoes, etc. i'm not sure exactly ofthe consequences of this, but it's rather interesting to think about anyway 
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## I vote Plexa for mayor.
In case I won't be around to tonight.
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United States2186 Posts
All right, I'll run for Mayor.
My credentials are:
-Read the full length of all 3 previous mafia games, the LTT chat logs etc. And still remember too!
-Play mafia in real life very frequently over the past few years. (I'm in a mafia drought currently so I made this account to play).
-I plan to implement a revised version of Ace's bodyguard plan. I don't have anything concrete yet, just some thoughts, but I do recognize that the plan is not made for this game and does need some work. At the bottom are my thoughts. Suggestions are definitely appreciated, whether by PM or just in the thread.
-I am not good at clues. However, I am skilled at analyzing behavior/voting patterns and will work with the expert clue analyzers to narrow suspects down. As I said earlier, clues are not important for the mayor to be good at. The mayor is the outlet of the town, the guy who can organize and make the decisions.
-My overall outline is at the bottom. When I flesh out my thoughts further I will post a revised version of the bodyguard plan.
I was originally opposed to doing this because I couldn't come up with anything new besides the bodyguard plan. However, it does seem to be the best option at the moment. My original plan was to stay silent and work with other people I felt could be trusted (since Mafia single out the active/logical townies early), but with the town likely going astray in the election I felt that something must be said before we start off on a really bad note. So now I'm likely going to be killed very early.
Ideally I would like it to be so that Caller or I can get into office. I hope that we can get enough publicity to attract the logical voting segment to us, similar to how Ghar and Ace worked together in Mafia 2. Right now Caller is getting virtually no publicity so we need to get the necessary attention for what must be done rather than just focusing on 'the big names' or pretty pictures.
Townies, I heavily encourage you to listen to the points made by Showtime! and myself about what is necessary for Mayor and vote for Caller or myself. I do not mind much if Caller gets to be mayor, we just need to make sure that the mayor is someone who is suited for the office. Not someone who runs a propaganda campaign or goes off of irrelevant attributes for being mayor.
Plexa may or may not be a good mayor, I honestly don't know. However, he specifically stated that he wanted to be pardonner. This is either a) a mafia ruse in hopes of getting one of the coveted slots to help lead the town astray or b) An honest move signaling he either doesn't have the time or feels he is not up to the task. Either way, he should not be mayor.
I agree with you Showtime that clue interpretation is only one part. Frankly up until the midgame or so it's not important at all, as early game it is VERY unreliable (assuming Ace is similar to Chuiu cluewise). In game 2 Ghar got lynched because there was huge clue evidence against him, even though his behavior indicated 100% town. While Decaf was correctly killed in game 3, I don't think that Ace will do something like that Cluework need time to get the profiles down and furthermore time to narrow the list of suspects down. Clues are not absolutes, but they can help narrow a list gathered from voting patterns and vote checks.
The important part is to start off with a strong network that is uninfiltrated. This is key because we want to give intelligent people a way to assist the town without being branded as instant mafia kill targets. If only a few people (protected by medics) plus the mayor speak, the mafia will be at a loss who to kill. They want to reduce townie numbers as fast as possible while their killing power is high, but when the mayor/pardonner are unkillable and the few townies (whether they are green or blue is irrelevant) that do speak are protected to various degrees, the mafia will start having to make some tough choices. Do they use up their valuable kill power to maybe ensure kills on these important townies, or do they do random guesses that are equally likely to hit inactives or people who don't really participate much. This will increase our chances of the mafia turning on each other (lack of targets), because that is the ideal scenario.
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I just worried about a Godfather mayor, really.
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