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EDIT: And town, we have more than five days. Mafia killing power is at max 5...read the rules :/ | ||
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Anyway, yeah, I'm townie and I have a bunch of suggestions/plans/etc. | ||
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So watch out for that. That's what I was going to do if I were mafia. | ||
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Expect a list from me of people's profiles, signatures and just random information. If it makes you feel any better, I ran a mafia game on a different website (non SC related) of which Last Romantic is part of, and some of my clues (he was mafia) were inserting random English translations of a French aria into the post, and having one of the characters be a student practicing organic reaction of silver salts with halogens to form organic halides for his upcoming lab practical as part of the story. + Show Spoiler + That reaction's the Hunsdiecker reaction, discovered independently by Alexander Borodin, who was also, coincidentally, a Russion Nationalist romantic composer I never really did clue analysis because I thought it was a waste of time, what with all the red herrings and such, but if anyone on that poem knew lesser known French opera (it was Leo Delibes') or lesser known romantic composers, they could have easily deduced that it was Last Romantic. So yeah, clues would be our only chance of town victory. | ||
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EDIT: And can I continue clue analysis once I die? Like in a blog or something? | ||
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Chuiu is late!  <_< | ||
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"I am representing myself and mafia #2. Our target is townie." So that way, inactivity and lack of organization hurt mafia as well as town. And here is a collection of my previous posts in this thread that I thought would be helpful. On November 02 2008 01:06 Empyrean wrote: Ok. Don't rally behind anyone at the moment, mainly because they could be mafia. That way, when they release some "convincing" clues, it could just be the mafia giving out false information. Actually, the mafia could rally the town to lynch another mafia member the first day, thus building trust in the first mafia member. Their kill count won't decrease, anyway. Then, they'll say something along the lines of "hey paramedics, protect me please! I think I'm going to die because I'm giving you guys all this information!". At the end, when all the paramedics are protecting him, if the first mafia was the suicide bomber, he'd just go and suicide himself against some random townie, killing a townie, and multiple paramedics along with him. So watch out for that. That's what I was going to do if I were mafia. On November 02 2008 01:40 Empyrean wrote: The problem with no bodyguards is that you have no one to rally behind, so any detective will be scared to reveal his findings, and lots of mafia will post fake detective findings. It's going to be really hard for town to win this, unless Chuiu posts really easy freaking clues. On November 02 2008 04:18 Empyrean wrote: Clues are our only way to go. Expect a list from me of people's profiles, signatures and just random information. If it makes you feel any better, I ran a mafia game on a different website (non SC related) of which Last Romantic is part of, and some of my clues (he was mafia) were inserting random English translations of a French aria into the post, and having one of the characters be a student practicing organic reaction of silver salts with halogens to form organic halides for his upcoming lab practical as part of the story. + Show Spoiler + That reaction's the Hunsdiecker reaction, discovered independently by Alexander Borodin, who was also, coincidentally, a Russion Nationalist romantic composer I never really did clue analysis because I thought it was a waste of time, what with all the red herrings and such, but if anyone on that poem knew lesser known French opera (it was Leo Delibes') or lesser known romantic composers, they could have easily deduced that it was Last Romantic. So yeah, clues would be our only chance of town victory. On November 02 2008 04:23 Empyrean wrote: Oh, also analysis of voting patters is also useful. EDIT: And can I continue clue analysis once I die? Like in a blog or something? On November 02 2008 04:33 Empyrean wrote: Well, then we can see death patterns as well. For example, if someone's posting clues and they're accurate, the mafia could have them lynched. That way, if someone's being kept alive, it's possible that their clues are incorrect. Or the mafia could anticipate this and just keep them alive for the sake of confusing townsfolk, or kill townies with -incorrect- clue analysis to try and make it seem like they were onto something (when in reality they weren't), leading the town to lynch incorrectly as a result. | ||
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Don't forget that clues might not be so obvious. For example, if the mafia were infinity21 (not participating in this game), a post referencing Hilbert's Grand Hotel could point to him (deals with a counterintuitive paradox involving countably and uncountably infinite sets). EDIT: But also watch out for red herrings. Lots of things in Chuiu's post might not even be clues at all, and clues are notorious for being misinterpreted. But still, they're one of the only things we have going for us at this point without a mayor/DT network. | ||
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On November 03 2008 00:07 fusionsdf wrote: here is the list of people who have not yet posted since the game started: 1. imDerek 3. Jimtudor 4. decafchicken 5. Camlito 8. mikeymoo 9. MTF 10. clazziquai 13. Chezinu 14. nemY 15. xDark.Carnivalx 16. Empyrean 18. RtS)Night[Mare 20. JeeJee 21. SoleSteeler 23. ~OpZ~ 25. Mynock 26. iNfuNdiBuLuM 27. Ace 28. MidnightGladius 29. Bockit 30. Folca 32. goldenkrnboi 33. Yogurt 35. ShadowDrgn 36. ulszz 37. KH1031 38. Amber[LighT] 39. Fishball 41. Artanis[Xp] 42. ZBiR 44. KF91 45. FakeSteve[TPR] 47. HeRoS)Pink 48. Mandalor 50. G.s)NarutO there are some people I left on who have posted, but their posts were joke posts or didnt contibute anything If your name is on this list, post! Umm...try reading the first post after the game started. | ||
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Also, be wary of clue checkers as well. They could be mafia, putting in red herrings and deliberately misinterpreting things to mislead the town. | ||
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If any mafia decide to claim DT and give a conflicting view, the third DT will speak up. He'll likely get killed the next night as well. But still, once all the detectives are dead, we will have six-eight Mandalor style lists, as well as the names of any mafia who roleclaimed DT (since the DTs are dead, anyone who gave conflicting information by roleclaming DT will logically be mafia). EDIT: Two scenarios: 1. Two dead detectives, six-eight Mandalor style lists. This is if mafia don't role claim. 2. Three dead detectives, one-(however many mafia roleclaim) dead mafia, six-eight Mandalor style lists. So this plan either leaves us with one more DT alive than all previous plans posted, or the same number of dead DTs as previous plans but with dead mafia. In either case, we still have Mandalor style lists to work from. | ||
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On November 03 2008 02:28 Plexa wrote: You know DT's only get 2 list checks right? Ah, my mistake. We can have more if the Jack is the player who does the confirmations, but this fuddles things up a bit. | ||
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Whoever is the prime suspect will have votes 1-30, and whoever is the secondary suspect will have votes 31-50. | ||
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The problem with the game this time is that DTs are scared to share their findings this time. | ||
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Also, I'm probably not going to be active until really late tonight. 5:00-6:00 Dinner, 6:30-9:30 Work, 10:00-whenever Physics lab, whenever-whenever running/shower/get ready for bed So yeah, my schedule's pretty packed tonight...I'll see if I can bring my laptop anywhere though. | ||
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1. Paramedics protect him. This would save him from normal mafia lynches, but if a suicide bomber targets him, then some paramedics die, depending on how much protection we afford him. 2. Just let him die, and hope they use the suicide bomber, thinking that we'd protect Folca. However, the mafia could anticipate this, and just use normal hits on him, in which case if we had used paramedics on him in the first place, he'd've been saved. Anyone care to analyze this, given our imperfect information? It wouldn't be hard to specify strategy spaces and payoff functions for each side in this scenario. | ||
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As for who to lynch, I still don't know if we can yet trust Folca (or he could be a mafia roleclaiming DT but Ace is also mafia...this way, Folca gains our trust while the mafia don't lose any killing power, and Folca can direct us to kill someone important later) since he's not dead, so because of this, I wouldn't vote for Ace either. I'll still stay with what few clues we have and vote to lynch decafchicken. I vote to lynch decafchicken. Also, has the town abandoned the Mandalor style plan I suggested earlier? If not, then we should probably coordinate first and second suspects. Also, when will Chuiu compile the vote list? | ||
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On November 03 2008 14:09 Alventenie wrote: No, you LOSE information by killing him now. Think, if you kill him now and he is blue, you lose another role check, or list check, and you are killing him for the mafia, as they want us to do. That is worst case scenario. We lose tons of information by lynching him. The 2 lists is moot because we can vote for any 2 people and both lists can be checked. If he is mafia, we gain NOTHING, because we are going to lynch him tomorrow if he is alive anyway, therefore it doesn't matter if he is mafia and we kill him now, their kill count for tonight is still 5, whether he is alive or dead. If you cant see that lynching him tonight is a bad idea, then you don't realize what him being alive will make the mafia do. They will have to kill him (which means they waste a kill and free up a lynch for us as well as sure fire kill Ace as mafia), or let him live, in which case we will just frag him tomorrow, after he has used another ability (if he is a detective) Exactly what I wanted to post. Which is why I think everyone at the point should just vote for decafchicken. And after that, move on to either Ace or Folca. | ||
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On November 03 2008 14:23 decafchicken wrote: No, dont vote decaf T_T Whatever being a townie is no fun anyways Which is why you don't want the fun of being mafia to end ;D | ||
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On November 03 2008 14:25 decafchicken wrote: And to think i helped you make maps once...now you're trying to kill me ;-( I know I still heart you decaf! | ||
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EDIT: So everyone who didn't vote for decafchicken or Folca, please vote for decafchicken. It makes it easier for the DTs to do their jobs as well, as they only have to check two lists. | ||
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If Folca flips red, we'll know we can actually trust you (kind of...he could have accused you just to build trust in you, knowing that being accused by a known mafia would lead some people to assume you're town). Except it's more likely that decaf is mafia than Folca is based on what we have, so that's why I'm voting to lynch decaf. Additionally, if we kill decaf and he is red, we will likely vote to lynch Ace instead of Folca next, since Ace is so sedulously defending decaf in the rare case the mafia don't target Folca and we have to choose between him and Ace. | ||
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On November 03 2008 15:13 Jimtudor wrote: So in the worst case scenario, where decaf flips green, and folca flips red. Would town have been better off voting for folca tonight. No, mafia hit power stays the same. And @Ace, I see your point, though I'd honestly like to keep you alive even if you were mafia, since you actually contribute a lot to the town. I change my vote. I vote to lynch Ace. | ||
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Anyway, I think it's better to lynch decaf than Folca because in the case that neither of them are mafia, if we lynch decaf, we only lynch a green whereas if we lynch Folca, we lynch a blue. EDIT: Not to mention that at least we have some clues to work off of for decaf but still no clues for Folca. As you put it, "Have you a found a clue that points to [Folca]? no" | ||
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On November 03 2008 23:46 Ace wrote: Thats not what I wrote. I wrote have you found a clue that points to me. Some people have found a clue which could possibly be applied to you. No one has found a clue which could possibly be applied to Folca. | ||
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Common sense. | ||
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EDIT: And even if they do, it's extremely risky. | ||
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I'm voting for Ace. Just to clear anything up. EDIT: And if Ace happens to be green, our next lynch targets should be Folca, and then whoever behavior/clue analysis points to. | ||
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Again, incomplete information sucks. Also, having mafia send in at least one hit for Folca makes sure that another innocent townie doesn't die. | ||
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See where I'm going with this? | ||
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On November 04 2008 10:38 Ace wrote: Emp the medics don't know who each other are, so that idea goes out the window since it's not the mafia second guessing medic protection that's key but the medics guessing if the other medics will protect also. You seem so sure Folca is telling the truth, blind trust huh? Exactly. Each medic makes his/her individual random decision. If they would collude, it'd actually be worse for the town. | ||
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On November 04 2008 11:30 Amber[LighT] wrote: We're not going to have those detective abilities by Day 2 if Folca is a detective. There is a 1/3 shot that Ace could be a mafia, while Folca is 1/2. I feel like the higher risk in this case is to keep Folca alive because we lose both. If we keep Ace alive and we accidentally do kill our detective, then the vigilante should step in and kill Ace overnight. I'm going to switch my vote from DecafChicken to Folca. This is just bullshit. Both of them have 1/5 chance of them being mafia and 3/50 chance of being detectives. To the town, their behaviors will "weight" what we think of these probabilities, that is, whether it's more or less likely for them to be mafia or detective, based on their behavior. | ||
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The fact that no other person claiming to be DT has spoken up saying that they investigated him and that Folca is mafia pretty much ensures that Folca isn't mafia. I'm pretty sure that once Folca roleclaimed DT, another one checked him out, found out he was DT, and decided to stay silent. They'd only pull the alarm if Folca were actually mafia. Honestly. If any of you guys were DT and someone claimed they were DT and accused Ace, wouldn't your natural reaction be to investigate Folca and see if he were lying? Exactly. I'm positive that some other DT has investigated Folca, found him to be DT, and is thus remaining silent. | ||
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On November 04 2008 11:50 decafchicken wrote: or the other DTs already used their ability, don't want to die, etc. Think about this. If Folca were actually a DT and a DT investigated him and found that he was, then we'd have one dead DT, Folca. If Folca were mafia and a DT investigated him, the DT would naturally speak up and say that Folca is mafia, and the other DT would die (to mafia). Either way, we have one dead detective. Besides, the DT also realizes how important a townie Ace could be, and would also naturally want to save Ace. EDIT: On November 04 2008 11:53 Amber[LighT] wrote: Or they could have figured out he was mafia, and are keeping quiet until tomorrow when they won't be targets and screw us over. The problem is, if they found Folca to be mafia, then they'd know that there'd be a high chance that Ace is townie. Now they would weigh Ace's death against their own DT life. | ||
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EDIT: On November 04 2008 11:57 Ace wrote: Or Emp, they could realize Folca was a DT but realized revealing themselves to Folca also makes bring them out into the open, and also questions whether they or legit or not. So they couldn't do that even if they wanted to, so what your saying is wrong. By saying Folca were actually mafia, they'd reveal Folca's guilt and your (ostensible) innocence. | ||
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On November 04 2008 12:00 HeRoS)Pink wrote: also if a dt did rolecheck folca and turns out to be red, why would he sacrifice himself to reveal the role of the player likely to be lynched today? we would have killed 1 mafia and kept all 3 of our DTs Oh, this is a good point. Hadn't actually considered this. | ||
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Hell, even if he is mafia, he's still a great asset to the town if not for anything but his intelligence. | ||
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I'm changing my vote to Folca. This is final. Sorry Chuiu .If you turn out to be mafia, Ace, at least we can figure out with some degree of certainty who other mafia members are based on behavior in this thread. But hopefully you're not (though I still secretly and, I suppose, irrationally (to some extent) believe you are ) | ||
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C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER!! | ||
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On November 04 2008 14:34 Ace wrote: Folca died pointing a finger at five people. As the biggest threat, I obviously would be the prime candidate. That does not mean he investigated me. Folca and another DT probably colluded, with Folca investigating decaf or gladius and the other DT investigating me. Of course, Folca doesn't even know if the other DT was legit and before he died he never told us. So you're wrong. Desperation isn't very becoming  | ||
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Right. Again, without a central authority to direct things, it's difficult. And Ace, just don't try to defend yourself anymore. Occam's Razor > your explanation of what happened, and everyone knows it. Try and die with some dignity please | ||
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Honestly, to best utilize them, we should just suggest things for them to do, hope they read the thread and follow suggestions, then if anything major comes up, have them sacrifice themselves and use paramedics on them later if necessary (paramedic problem again...read my previous post). | ||
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You might as well have two different townies, one for each remaining DT, and have them be rolechecked and be the voice of the DTs. EDIT: I'm going to sleep now. I'll catch up on this in the morning. | ||
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We can all agree that Ace is mafia. 1. MidnightGladius keeps on saying he might hvae some clue interpretation coming up later. He never does it. He starts saying this as early as page 22ish I believe. 2. Ace is the first to vote to lynch Folca. Folca himself is the second. 3. MidnightGladius is the third. His reason: On November 03 2008 12:39 MidnightGladius wrote: Intriguing. ## I vote to lynch Folca. 4. RTS)Nightmare is the fourth to vote Folca. 5. Folca accuses MidnightGladius of being mafia based on his signature (clue) and behavior. 6. SoleSteeler abstains. 7. Heros)Pink is the first to vote to lynch Ace on Folca's word alone. 8. Jimtudor thinks Folca looks legit. 9. Alventenie: On November 03 2008 13:52 Alventenie wrote: I myself think we should hold off lynching folca until tomorrow. Lynching him today means hes dead for sure, waiting until tomorrow means the mafia either: A) kill him, to make sure he doesn't use any more abilities, or B) let him live, trying to cast suspicion on him making him seem fake. Instead we should try to find another mafia through the clues tonight. Once we lynch them (I am voting for decaf), tomorrow we lynch folca (if he is still alive, i believe he will be if we dont lynch him), that way he can use another ability tomorrow. If he turns blue, we vigi Ace so no one can save him, and with luck, drop the mafia kill count to 4 by tomorrow night. You guys are really charging into this without thinking of your options. Folca pretty much is sacrificing himself, but at least use him for as much as possible. By the town killing him tonight, we give the mafia an extra kill tonight that they wont waste, and it means we have more time to look for other mafia. Lynching him now would be foolish, wasting his potential where we could chance getting a mafia on day 1, not a blue. I vote for decafchicken ps. I believe midnightgladius and jimtudor are people we need to watch for. Midnight for his sig + extremely quick to lynch folca without considering the options. I also think Jimtudor should be watched due to that fact that he is almost certain folca is legit, even though he wouldn't know that by just reading folca (i believe folca, but i am not certain he is legit, so im using him to get the biggest gain for the town). Townies please reconsider folca's proposition of lynching him tonight. Let him live through the night with no paramedics watching him to see if the mafia truly wish to kill him. 10. Empyrean: On November 03 2008 13:57 Empyrean wrote: If we don't lynch Folca, will he have a chance to use his powers again and report them before he dies? If so, then I wouldn't advise lynching Folca. He'll die anyway, so in death he'll be vindicated. If no mafia target him to make him look suspicious, we'll all lynch him anyway. That's why I don't want to vote Folca. As for who to lynch, I still don't know if we can yet trust Folca (or he could be a mafia roleclaiming DT but Ace is also mafia...this way, Folca gains our trust while the mafia don't lose any killing power, and Folca can direct us to kill someone important later) since he's not dead, so because of this, I wouldn't vote for Ace either. I'll still stay with what few clues we have and vote to lynch decafchicken. I vote to lynch decafchicken. Also, has the town abandoned the Mandalor style plan I suggested earlier? If not, then we should probably coordinate first and second suspects. Also, when will Chuiu compile the vote list? 11. Alventenie tries to explain to MidnightGladius. Ace repeats MidnightGladius' argument, and a few posts later, Alventenie explains the same thing to Ace.: On November 03 2008 14:36 Alventenie wrote: Sigh, you are thinking so incorrectly, it furthers my belief that you are a mafia. You are pretty much charging in at first chance to lynch mafia, thinking only short term to get goals done. What you aren't thinking is long term. By lynching folca tonight, we lose his abilities for tomorrow, or we lose the play of forcing mafia to kill him. We also would be ignoring the entire day of clues, even if vague, at linking them to someone. Anyone voting folca obviously is just bandwagoning without thinking for themselves, meaning the mafia already have this game in control and will continue such a trend until the town is wiped out. Notice how no one until myself challenged lynching folca tonight instead of tomorrow. No one thought of what him being alive through the night does. The fast route to ONE mafia kill is to lynch him tonight. The fast route to multiple mafia lynchings is to lynch him tomorrow. Why? Because we pretty much are assured he will die, tonight (by mafia, wasting a kill they could of used on someone else if we lynch folca today), or tomorrow, when we lynch him. The fact that we should be looking for a mafia tonight is better than killing someone who has role called. Why? because if we kill said role call person, he flips blue, mafia kill 5, we then are lynching our first mafia, and then our vigilantes have ZERO targets until we analyze more clues, putting more townies to risk of dieing for being loud spoken. By lynching folca tomorrow, one of our vigi's have a confirmed mafia kill (if folca is detective and not mafia), and we put pressure on the mafia as to whether to let folca live or die tonight, or tomorrow. This gives us more information in the long run for finding mafia than lynching folca tonight. 12. Ace defends decafchicken like there's no tomorrow. He also says: On November 03 2008 15:06 Ace wrote: And of course I'm sure you would say that. Me defending decaf paints both of us mafia. So lynch me first now, instead of Folca even though the burden of proof is on him and he has nothing to do with decaf. Right. Makes perfect sense don't you think? 13. BloodyCobbler defends decafchicken. On November 03 2008 15:11 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Based on the clues? I destroyed them with facts that relate directly to FOOD INDUSTRY, coffee is a normal thing at the end of a meal, i also listed other names that are linked to a "meal" setting to begin with, ffs, they have been defeated, now new evidence is needed to continue the bandwagon 14. decafchicken, in the middle of a "lynch Folca today or tomorrow" discussion, once again says that some people are going off a clue that is way too easy to be true. He does this so much it's almost annoying. 15. Ace points out the following: No one can prove that Folca is a legit DT and no one can get anything except coffee = decafchicken as their best clue. He points out BloodyCobbler's defense of decaf. On November 04 2008 01:26 Ace wrote: It's sickening because if decaf flips green, and then I flip green what would you have to say? Stop trying to double think the mafia motive and just go for what's best for the town. 16. Caller: On November 04 2008 04:49 Caller wrote: yeah, we're lynching him TOMORROW. EVERYBODY PLEASE LISTEN: Lynch Folca Tomorrow. IF he is mafia, he cannot do any more damage. IF he isn't mafia, at least he can take another hit for some other townie tonight. If they don't hit him, we get another role check or something from him, no? Please please please understand this. 17. Amber[light] suggests (laughably...what a horrible suggestion) that another DT step up and ask about Folca's role, thus leading to another DT revealing himself. 18. Alventenie repeats that lynching either Ace or Folca tonight is just a bad idea. 19. MTF (long post): + Show Spoiler + On November 04 2008 09:42 MTF wrote: Ok, since it seems theres a movement to lynch Ace tonight, which I think is faulty, I'll try to exemplify this for everyone: Reasons to Lynch Ace: Clues: + Show Spoiler + ""We can trust no mayor, no governor, no authority this day or the next." May relate to his role in the last game as an authority figure. Other: + Show Spoiler + He has been accused of a rolecheck by Folca, who has made several posts trying to provide information. Reasons to Lynch Folca: Clues: + Show Spoiler + "Many in the crowd were excessively enthusiastic about the lynching and many were grave and quiet." May be a reference to his profile picture. Other: + Show Spoiler + He has accused Ace of being rolechecked as mafia and implicated several other prominent players, myself included, with faulty and rushed reasoning. Overall View: Lynching Ace or Folca is a fifty/fifty gamble, which is better than can be said of lynching any other person in the game right now. That being said, Ace has been setting plans into motion from the beginning and engaging in active discussion with the people trying to organize town. This is a good thing, and Ace's plans have not been openly malicious and have helped move town along in discussion and avoid the mistake (ironically) of revealing DT's for the towns gain due to the suicide bomber. Now, this is not to say I believe Ace is town for sure, as what he has done is the only smart thing he could do given the previous game. Ace is not proven innocent by any means. Neither, however, is Folca. And Folca came out of nowhere with his accusation and proceeded to call out several people with absolutely no basis for most of it. Now, mafia or true detective, this was not a smart thing to do. Considering this, one must ask the origin of the actions' desperation: the only thing other than simple foolishness I can think of is that everything is less organized this early in the game. That can only benefit mafia, as they start off from the very beginning in a structured manner. Accusing key members early on would only benefit them. Now, assuming Ace's innocence, implicating and taking him out this early on would eliminate one of the strongest structures that town could organize itself around. This alone may be worth the attempt by mafia, especially if they're banking on him having an additional role, as nearly half of all of the town does. I can see it argued the other way around easily enough, though, and it is a fair view to have that doing this as a mafia member or a true detective doesn't make much sense this early on. But Folca has done it, and we can only prove the why by lynching one tonight. The evidence that either is telling the truth is about even. The matter of choosing is simply in the behavior, and the hoped-for outcome, as either way we risk losing someone of value. Personally, I think Folca is lying, and even if he weren't, town wouldn't get a proven DT the following day, because mafia would be insane to keep a revealed DT alive. So, there is only one argument for voting Ace over Folca: You believe Folca for whatever reason and want to make mafia waste a hit tonight. However, the same exact thing can be said of Ace, as if Folca is indeed red, then they wanted Ace dead early on, and will undoubtably use at least one hit on him tonight. I guess that about sums up my feelings on the matter. Ace is inherently more valuable as a structure than an unproven detective that has been revealed if he is indeed innocent. Edit: As I wrote this, Bockit essentially put it in a much more succient manner. :p 20. fusionsdf loves MTF's clue analysis <3. 21. Caller's general suspects: Ace, Decafchicken, MidnightGladius, ulszz, SoleSteeler. Also points out that GiTM-Ace, Aznvaliance and Mandalor bandwagoned on Folca in a row without any reasons why. 22. BloodyCobbler insinuates that people who voted for decafchicken aren't smart players and that they don't read clue analysis. Page 36, bottom 3/4 of the page. 23. Ace once again reiterates decafchicken's defense of himself. A page later, he bandwagons on one of BloodyCobbler's arguments against Empyrean. 24. Empyrean thinks that Ace has strong arguments and even if he -is- mafia, he'd still be an asset to the town for a few days because he'd have to act the townie part. | ||
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My suggestion for vigis is to kill Ace, decaf, and MidnightGladius. I also suspect BloodyCobbler, but that may be just me. | ||
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On November 05 2008 01:07 HeRoS)Pink wrote: well that might be difficult to do 1) yes Ace is sure to die to vigi's hand no need to waste a lynch on him 2) vigi doesnt know who are the other vigi's are, they might taget the same 3) also we should wait for the set of clues #2 before pointing fingers at bloodycobbler/decaf/midnightgladius Then we waste our vigi hits, since their powers aren't being used. And as for vigis being confused about who to hit, Chuiu says "If your hit overlaps with another Vigilante I will cancel all other hits but the first one and will notify anyone who's hit didn't go through the following day and you will be able to use it again." So it's not like they're wasting hit power, they just wouldn't use it for that night. | ||
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On November 05 2008 01:15 SoleSteeler wrote: I'm all for killing off Decaf and MidnightGladius, but it's possible Ace knew he was fucked and so decided to try and get us to lynch innocents after he's dead. Still, certainly the best bet. Maybe Ace thought he could talk his way out of his situation. Ace, decaf, and MidnightGladius supported each other as early as page 18 onward. | ||
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On November 05 2008 01:25 fusionsdf wrote: well now we know to vote for ace would have been worse if folca was green still this comes out roughly even for town Except there was the possibility mafia could anticipate incorrectly paramedic action, and we'd have another round of information from Folca. Anyway, I'm still suggesting vigis to target Ace, decaf, and MidnightGladius. If each vigi votes randomy, there is only a 1/9 chance that they all independently target the same person, so 8/9 chance that at least two of the three die. | ||
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On November 05 2008 05:14 mikeymoo wrote: The problem is that vigis can't properly coordinate with each other. They should just each randomly choose a target out of the three. We have a 8/9 chance that at least two of them die. | ||
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On November 07 2008 11:59 Ace wrote: yea lol THE GHOST OF EMPYREAN IS HAUNTING THIS TOPIC. Damn the town sure is stupid this time around :/ | ||
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...even better without Ace | ||
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EDIT: Also mafia were pretty daft...no offense. | ||
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On November 18 2008 23:29 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: didn't that work out exceptionally well for them in the first game? The town was exceptionally stupid the first game | ||
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