On June 08 2008 12:43 qrs wrote:
On June 07 2008 02:29 Scorch wrote:

*(not to mention that using mod powers in the game is at worst a gray area, whereas Mandalor's telling someone about the list when he was dead (according to Plexa) is a definite infraction)

Its not light the town hasn't sent pms when they are dead......O wait.

randombum

United States2378 Posts

June 11 2008 07:24 GMT

#6147

On June 11 2008 15:46 Wysp wrote:
We're gonna get a couple more mafia members in the next couple lynches, then we can basicly hang randomly and still win. With the focused barrage of clues that won't be needed, though.

Is the mafia allowed to concede when they lose all hope?

I don't see why we didn't concede from the beginning. (long post about unfairness deleted)

But yes we can.

randombum

United States2378 Posts

June 17 2008 06:59 GMT

#6209

On June 17 2008 15:04 Ace wrote:

Show nested quote +

What imbalances? I'm interested in hearing it thru PM.

There's quite a bit ace, lots that I think will be explained in our end-game summery.

randombum

United States2378 Posts

June 17 2008 19:42 GMT

#6226

I'll just say this since I am dead, but the numbers are stacked towards town. (number of days it would take mafia to kill town/win under BEST conditions vs number of days it took town to start getting mafia 75% of the time)

randombum

United States2378 Posts

July 07 2008 09:23 GMT

#6464

On July 07 2008 15:09 Chuiu wrote:
Who wants to replace some inactives, eh? Lets get this game over with. Post here if you wish to replace an inactive player (can't revive the dead - sorry).

I have another idea, although those alive won't agree with me, instead of replacing inactives how bout we just say mafia have won? Theres 4 mafia left and a kill power of 3 per night, but theres also only 4 active voters right now... I mean its been a good long game already....

Also, replacing inactives with new people would only serve for some crazy band-wagons the new people will not read 300+ pages of crap to get into this game, far easier for a new game.

randombum

United States2378 Posts

July 07 2008 20:24 GMT

#6476

Dead don't talk! <---After typing up a long paragraph and having to cancel it for fear of changing the game.

randombum

United States2378 Posts

July 07 2008 20:48 GMT

#6480

Alventenie, if the inactives never signed up, mafia would have won already. IE theres like less than 10 active players at this point.

randombum

United States2378 Posts

July 08 2008 23:54 GMT

#6511

Showtime, many of the other dead posts do not effect the current game, your posts however do. Not to mention they are usually offensive.
For example you said something along the lines of

"Man the town is really f'n up for voting nemy"

That alone should ban you from talking in this game seeing as that could have potentially change votes. Whether accidental or not, your comments may effect the rest of this game unlike the dead who posted before you.

randombum

United States2378 Posts

July 12 2008 03:50 GMT

#6520

Wait...
So your going to replace all the inactive townies with new people, and declare their role?

So the town will know EVERYBODY who is a townie, since there are only like 1 townie who talks, the rest are inactive.

So your pretty much just saying "Hey town these inactive townie are no longer questionable as mafia or not, so heres some more known innocents."

Or in other words a big "FUCK YOU" to mafia.

randombum

United States2378 Posts

July 12 2008 04:01 GMT

#6524

ydg, you are allowed to edit you know, don't need to keep making a new post for 1 extra line

Especially since you're last three posts fall within 6 minutes of each other.

randombum

United States2378 Posts

July 12 2008 05:00 GMT

#6527

Chuiu, you listed them as green. You could have left them black if it wasn't your intention to tell the town that those are townies.

randombum

United States2378 Posts

July 12 2008 05:06 GMT

#6529

On July 12 2008 14:03 Chuiu wrote:
If they had a role they lost it, meaning they are now vanilla townies. Hence they are green. But now the whole town knows the new guys are townies so they can trust them. Great job, randombum.

So... you are trying to tell me that the town would not assume they are green if you put their name in green?

What role? We've killed every useful role the town has, and the vets are all known anyways. Basically whats left is green or red.

You putting them on as green means they are not red. If you do this for the rest of the townies you might as well just give them the game.

randombum

United States2378 Posts

July 12 2008 05:58 GMT

#6537

huh? So... Chuiu just randomly handing out random greens to people is what is suppose to happen in this game? And pointing out the faults in him doing it is crying?

So if Chuiu starts going "[insert mafia name] killed [insert town name]" And I said WTF? I'd be crying again?

Or what if in Chuiu's next night it goes "Hand of god strikes down [insert mafia name]", complaining about that would be crying?

Or if Chuiu decides to say "Ok, NM theres 1 townie and 4 mafia, but they all ate something bad and died of over crapping, town wins" I wouldn't be allowed to complain about that either?

randombum

United States2378 Posts

July 12 2008 20:22 GMT

#6556

On July 13 2008 03:45 JeeJee wrote:
lol i can't believe the mafia are complaining about replacing inactive townies

hey, maybe the number of kills you get should be related to the number of active mafia. wait no that wouldn't work because mafia don't have as much of a reason to 'afk out' from the game because they have a role

unless you actually have a suggestion as to how to fix the inactive problem aside from replacing them, then crying won't help at all. keep in mind this game is balanced when all the townies are active. the only reason this game is close is because half the town is afk.

IMO replacing is still the way to go except now just list them as "players" rather than "townies" as townie implies innocence (although a mafioso is still a townie, else he wouldn't be able to vote)

First, we are not complaining about replacing inactive players, we are complaining about replacing players and declaring their role.

Also, If the game is balanced when all the townies are active, and it is close with 1/2 the town inactive then it clearly isn't balanced if the whole town was here.

Finally, there are more inactive mafia than everybody is suggesting,
Theres at least 5 or 6 already dead mafia who weren't involved or were barely involved in our actions at all.

randombum

United States2378 Posts

July 12 2008 21:27 GMT

#6561

Jeejee, If the game was balanced with everybody playing, then how does only 1/2 the town playing + us getting the list of blues + it still being close have the game balanced?

Yes, you guys had a few good players and that helped the town out alot. Imagine if you had another 25 plexa's,aces,mtf's etc.

Whose fault that we got the list of blues (although we had killed every single dt and jack do to another town mistake, well several mistakes.)
The fact that the town didn't lose after handing us all the blues shows how difficult for mafia to kill the town.

Think how the game would still be if we didn't get that list. You guys would still be down to 4 mafia, but have at least 10-20 more active people including all the medics, ace, and plexa.

And no, we do not know everything before hand we know who is mafia and who is not. Our goal is to root out all your blues. (Which we did an amazing job at even before the list)

Your job is to find all the red while you know all the blues. Which you guys did an amazing job at too with the help of some very dedicated clue finders. Hell, you guys found all the mafia with all the dts and jacks dead at day 5. Imagine if we were worse players and let the 4 dts go list checking until we found the list. (day 12 or something)

Granted inactivity hurt the town more than mafia, thats not what this is even about. Its about chuiu declaring that two people who were replaced were green. I don't care about replacing them, I agree that they hurt the town, and that if not replaced we have won.

And mynock, PM me where you think we made mistakes. (although I can name a few mistakes, although not as game changing as the town's)

Chuiu, you can say that now, but if I hadn't brought it up you would have continued to replace people and list them as green. If you are under the impression all mafia are active (that is you wouldn't replace them) Then everybody from now on who is replaced is green and replacing anyone else will only be giving the town a list of known innocents. Which is what I was complaining about in the first place. Having said that you believe all the mafia to be active you cannot not replace any new people without helping the town alot more than your intending too. (I think, unless its your intention to hand them lists of innocents)

Yes, you named the new people as bold but you listed the people who were replaced as green, that is innocent townies. If the new bolded names took their roles they will then be known as townies. Even if what you meant are the replaced people are now dead townies, but the bolded names may not be townies, and that they could actually be red replacing the green people it would still have been easier if you listed those being replaced as bold too.You could have listed both names in bold and avoided this whole mess altogether.

I'm done after this if you really want to argue with me over this we can bring it to pms, I won't post in this topic again until the game is over.

randombum

United States2378 Posts

August 04 2008 19:51 GMT

#6834

I think L or bockit had a write-up started a while ago when they were alive, they should post it soon (maybe) But it should explain the IRC stuff along with most of our objections to the game.

One of my personal gripes was that chuiu would not let me use my sabotage ability whenever I wanted. I was required to use it on someone the day before. Meaning, I could not use it to kill vets without giving it away to the town that we were going to kill him. Even if I only wanted to sabotage a nighttime ability I was required to submit it the night before to stop their day and nighttime abilities.

randombum

United States2378 Posts

August 05 2008 23:03 GMT

#6906

On August 06 2008 00:57 Empyrean wrote:
Ace, you have no clue how much I wanted you guys to focus on randombum.

Too bad I died.

Oh yea, We agreed that I definitely needed to laugh at you for stealing your role and preventing you from getting BG protection.

So,

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA NO PARDONER FOR YOUS