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Ghar
Profile Joined March 2008
Australia62 Posts
March 18 2008 18:23 GMT
#560
Ghar:
So far, all we know about him is that he registered for the forum for the mafia game, and that his plan of action is for all the detectives to PM him. I don't really like this, because the best scenario is a guy who knows who all the detectives are, with the addition of a few mafia. The worst scenario is a mafioso who is willing to sacrifice himself in return for denying the town a mayor and as many detectives as possibile.

No, that's not it. Having detectives means I can verify vigilantes and jacks. Having detectives work together means efficient effort, each can ask Chuiu different questions about clues, check up on multiple lynch votes. Having vigilantes means they won't strike blindly, but with Detective aid.

In the worse scenario, this applies to everyone, not just me. Because all the detectives will have investigated me. If I'm mafia, only one steps out and accuses me. If I'm the real deal, they are confirmed by their investigation, and then come to me. The detectives are not at risk.
All right, theyre on our left, theyre on our right, theyre in front of us, theyre behind us...they cant get away this time. View my public profile for links to my plan as mayor.
Ghar
Profile Joined March 2008
Australia62 Posts
March 18 2008 18:28 GMT
#562
You've pretty much just repeated my plan.
All right, theyre on our left, theyre on our right, theyre in front of us, theyre behind us...they cant get away this time. View my public profile for links to my plan as mayor.
Ghar
Profile Joined March 2008
Australia62 Posts
March 18 2008 18:55 GMT
#585
Ghar's "detective" propostion has a high cost: we blow half of our detectives' most important ability on the first night. What do we gain for losing this? We know whether or not our mayor is Mafia. But this is not even such valuable information! If he is elected already, there is nothing we can do about losing the double lynches. THE "DETECTIVE PLAN" IS NOT WORTH IT.


8 investigates, it's unlikely the detectives will find a mafia with each one. particularly when mafia have 9 kills a night. What I propose is detectives working together, using their other abilities. To do that though, they need total confidence in the mayor.

What would you propose the detectives do? Work alone? Trust the mayor without really being sure?
All right, theyre on our left, theyre on our right, theyre in front of us, theyre behind us...they cant get away this time. View my public profile for links to my plan as mayor.
Ghar
Profile Joined March 2008
Australia62 Posts
March 18 2008 23:31 GMT
#757
My plan does use up the detective's limited skill very fast. But I stand by the purpose it serves. Total confidence in the mayor, trust is needed in this kind of relationship.
Detectives are unlikely to to be accurate with their choices this early in the game, but holding onto it for too long runs the risk of being killed before they can use it.
I say detectives can function effectively without the 2 investigates if they work as a team, because being able to ask Chuiu to tie a name to a clue is almost as good as investigating if you work together intelligently with other detectives, along with vote counts.

The network I'm proposing is more powerful than the detectives limited 2 time skill. Detectives have full confidence in the mayor, and each other. The Mayor stands out in the open and voices their findings so they're safe and hidden, and slowly the network expands as more people are confirmed innocent.
All right, theyre on our left, theyre on our right, theyre in front of us, theyre behind us...they cant get away this time. View my public profile for links to my plan as mayor.
Ghar
Profile Joined March 2008
Australia62 Posts
March 18 2008 23:44 GMT
#769
I voted for Ace because at the time, I had a plan, he had a plan, Araav had c++, Randombum has mass PMs. In the event that I didn't win, Ace sounds like a better leader than the others.
All right, theyre on our left, theyre on our right, theyre in front of us, theyre behind us...they cant get away this time. View my public profile for links to my plan as mayor.
Ghar
Profile Joined March 2008
Australia62 Posts
March 19 2008 00:10 GMT
#803
What Ace meant was the real bodyguards would see it strange that they got a PM from Chuiu telling them they're bodyguard, but not from the mayor who might have left them out when PMing the bodyguards about each other.

Ace's plan = Bodyguard gets 2 PMs, 1 from Chuiu, and 1 from the Mayor telling him who the other bodyguards are. The number has to add up, anybody guard that didn't get a PM from the mayor, stands up and speaks out.
All right, theyre on our left, theyre on our right, theyre in front of us, theyre behind us...they cant get away this time. View my public profile for links to my plan as mayor.
Ghar
Profile Joined March 2008
Australia62 Posts
March 19 2008 00:13 GMT
#808
The plan is for Detectives to confirm innocence by saying nothing, and accusing by stepping out. stepping out to confirm innocence means being hit by the mafia. But if the mayor is mafia already, then you might as well go down with him.
All right, theyre on our left, theyre on our right, theyre in front of us, theyre behind us...they cant get away this time. View my public profile for links to my plan as mayor.
Ghar
Profile Joined March 2008
Australia62 Posts
March 19 2008 08:10 GMT
#987
My plan is the safest still. The other candidates are probing for holes in Ace's plan, which is very productive, but they haven't posted their own solution.

I'm losing pretty badly right now, but Ghar for mayor folks.
All right, theyre on our left, theyre on our right, theyre in front of us, theyre behind us...they cant get away this time. View my public profile for links to my plan as mayor.
Ghar
Profile Joined March 2008
Australia62 Posts
March 19 2008 08:18 GMT
#990
Yeah, but what kind of potential mayor would I be if I gave up just because people have 10 times as many votes as I do.

I also stand firmly that my theory though costly, is still safe. And I'm not giving up on my few supporters. If anyone else thinks I have something to offer, they'll see that I'm fighting to the end. I don't want to take away Ace's supporters though, they're good where they are. But anyone else that hasn't voted yet, I'm willing to answer questions regarding my plan and see if you think it's mayor material
All right, theyre on our left, theyre on our right, theyre in front of us, theyre behind us...they cant get away this time. View my public profile for links to my plan as mayor.
Ghar
Profile Joined March 2008
Australia62 Posts
March 19 2008 09:08 GMT
#993
No love for Ghar? =[
All right, theyre on our left, theyre on our right, theyre in front of us, theyre behind us...they cant get away this time. View my public profile for links to my plan as mayor.
Ghar
Profile Joined March 2008
Australia62 Posts
March 19 2008 18:51 GMT
#1065
In Australia, voting is mandatory. Though I don't have statistics on the turn out rate,
All right, theyre on our left, theyre on our right, theyre in front of us, theyre behind us...they cant get away this time. View my public profile for links to my plan as mayor.
Ghar
Profile Joined March 2008
Australia62 Posts
March 19 2008 19:14 GMT
#1069
Now that Randombum is ahead of Empyrean. Ghar will swallow his pride and ask for sympathy votes because my ideas are cool.
All right, theyre on our left, theyre on our right, theyre in front of us, theyre behind us...they cant get away this time. View my public profile for links to my plan as mayor.
Ghar
Profile Joined March 2008
Australia62 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-03-19 19:28:12
March 19 2008 19:27 GMT
#1071
There's a chance he won't get killed.
If he's mafia, he obviously won't get hit.
If he's not mafia. The mafia might let him live, making the townies suspicious, likely making us waste a lynching on Empyrean.
All right, theyre on our left, theyre on our right, theyre in front of us, theyre behind us...they cant get away this time. View my public profile for links to my plan as mayor.
Ghar
Profile Joined March 2008
Australia62 Posts
March 19 2008 20:03 GMT
#1084
Publicly announcing innocence is a bad idea. You put one out there for the killing. And you're not sure he's a legit detective. Detectives should confirm by silence.
All right, theyre on our left, theyre on our right, theyre in front of us, theyre behind us...they cant get away this time. View my public profile for links to my plan as mayor.
Ghar
Profile Joined March 2008
Australia62 Posts
March 19 2008 21:44 GMT
#1109
It doesn't matter how statistically probable it is. No judgement should be made at this point at all.
All right, theyre on our left, theyre on our right, theyre in front of us, theyre behind us...they cant get away this time. View my public profile for links to my plan as mayor.
Ghar
Profile Joined March 2008
Australia62 Posts
March 19 2008 21:49 GMT
#1111
Ah yeah. Sorry about that.
All right, theyre on our left, theyre on our right, theyre in front of us, theyre behind us...they cant get away this time. View my public profile for links to my plan as mayor.
Ghar
Profile Joined March 2008
Australia62 Posts
March 19 2008 22:03 GMT
#1118
On March 20 2008 07:01 Wysp wrote:
I just want to comment, we can't go crazy with detective role checking. Only get a couple shots with it and there are plenty of people.


Yeah, my plan is to have all detectives check the mayor so they each are confident in the mayor, and utilize their other abilities together. The other skills are almost as good as role checking when used properly.
All right, theyre on our left, theyre on our right, theyre in front of us, theyre behind us...they cant get away this time. View my public profile for links to my plan as mayor.
Ghar
Profile Joined March 2008
Australia62 Posts
March 19 2008 23:58 GMT
#1152
On March 20 2008 08:40 Bockit wrote:
Only flaw I can think of is with the "detectives remain silent for innocence". That assumes that at least one detective / 4 will use up 1 of their rolecheckers, and not all 4 will think, oh one of the others is sure to do it.

Though I'm not suggesting we should kill of a detective to confirm, OR that the plan is massively flawed, I'm just pointing out.

That is unless I'm missing something...


The plan is though that detectives work with the mayor, if you were a detective, wouldn't you want to be confident that the guy you're opening up to is legit?
All right, theyre on our left, theyre on our right, theyre in front of us, theyre behind us...they cant get away this time. View my public profile for links to my plan as mayor.
Ghar
Profile Joined March 2008
Australia62 Posts
March 20 2008 00:08 GMT
#1158
Also, why is everyone so confident that Ace and randombum are clean? While Ace's plan is pretty good, that shouldn't guarantee his innocence.

We're not, Ace is voted because he has a plan of action that will benefit the town even if he were say mafia. Bum is just voted to kick Emp off because of his irrational approach to being elected.

I have a concern with Ace's plan:

suppose that the mayor is townie and all the bodyguards get the right messages

then suppose that a mafia false claims that hes a bodyguard.

that means we'll end up killing several bodyguards and potentially the mayor for a mafiaso. not a good trade.

If the mayor is innocent, then he'll straight out deny the fake bodyguards, thus we have free mafia to kill without any wasted effort.
All right, theyre on our left, theyre on our right, theyre in front of us, theyre behind us...they cant get away this time. View my public profile for links to my plan as mayor.
Ghar
Profile Joined March 2008
Australia62 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-03-20 00:27:06
March 20 2008 00:23 GMT
#1163
Why do you guys hold the role checks so importantly? 2 role checks limits the use of them significantly. There's no logic in role checking a townie out of a hundred to in case he might be mafia. It's better used to confirm fundamental assumptions, like the mayor really is on your side, and whether if people are fake role claiming. The other skills are still very useful.
All right, theyre on our left, theyre on our right, theyre in front of us, theyre behind us...they cant get away this time. View my public profile for links to my plan as mayor.
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