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On February 09 2008 18:14 Felagund wrote: I hope this would help with the voting: I have played many times (and moderated once) in Mafia-type games (called 'Werewolf' in the Barrowdowns), and they have this system to make voting stand out: ++ShaLLoW[baY] (for example, ^^y) (Must have ++ in front, bolded, and in a separate line.) Saves the moderator the trouble of reading through the whole thing. (Damn it, I had that same idea that I'll pop as soon as school's over here, and now someone beat me to it!  Just kidding--have fun!Well, can't resist: my idea is to have the whole thing SC-related, like a Terran Colony as a town, Infested Terrans as the Mafia, and random SC Units/Heroes as other roles. Well, it's your choice if you want to apply this.) So how about this: Towny --> Terran Citizen Mafia --> Infested Terran Mayor --> Magistrate Pardoner --> Ghost Bodyguard --> Marine Vigilante --> Vigilante Detective --> Sheriff Paramedic --> Medic Elder --> Psionic Veteran --> Corporal | ||
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On February 11 2008 16:07 Chuiu wrote: As if ceremoniously, one of the mafia bowed with an arm extended, and they departed as a group to get much needed rest for the day to come. Now who could that be? Sounds like somebody who either has a religious name or is living under a monarchy? maybe? | ||
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edit: on the grounds that he likes paint | ||
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PRESSURE PRESSURE PRESSURE quote | ||
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On February 12 2008 05:10 ilovezil wrote: Just for that, I'm going to kill you /mafia. for the record if i die lynch him please | ||
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I CHANGE MY VOTE TO DRDRAGOON no seriously its still fakesteve, no change in vote edit for spelling | ||
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On February 12 2008 09:20 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: I don't even have photoshop on my computer, or know how to use it. ![[image loading]](http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/2642/applicationsyt1.png) or maybe you photoshopped photoshop out of your computer, or maybe you're using another computer, or maybe you're using another computer program. | ||
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On February 12 2008 09:23 Tracil wrote: I hope I'm not the only one who finds it ironic that you're using a picture to prove you didn't edit a picture. NONETHELESS I am rapidly coming to believe that the Dr. is more scummy than you (if only because you're posting explanations and he's pulling a Vader on us.) But couldn't someone make the same argument that you are being very general and are only trying to lynch whom would be very obvious and/or stupid members? | ||
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On February 12 2008 09:23 dancefayedance!~ wrote: i think dr.dragoon or shallow[bay] is mafia. lynch them both i second that motion | ||
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On February 12 2008 09:29 Dr.Dragoon wrote: Sorry my defense took so long, I'm quite the noob when it comes to images. ![[image loading]](http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/8049/pmrz5.jpg) that could easily have been stolenz from the front page lol | ||
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Ilovezil Dr. Dragoon | ||
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On February 12 2008 09:48 GeneralStan wrote: I nominate FakeSteve for mayor fake stever has already been nominated u have to vote | ||
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that kind of reasoning makes you suspicious for someone whom pretends to otherwise be such an expert. | ||
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On February 12 2008 10:18 Tracil wrote: @ L2W: Hmm. Accepted that it's true townies shouldn't just blindly act in one direction. Still a bit miffed but I like your tone so far. However, I disagree that we should be focusing elsewhere; the Dr. Dragoon vs. Swallow thing wasn't just a 'mishap'; it was either a blatant mistake on Dragoon's part, or a stupid action on Swallows. I don't think we can really let this slide. The attitudes people take on this will be noted for future days- people should weigh in on it, and I know that if I'm elected mayor, I will likely use the instant-lynch to kill either Dragoon or Caller at this point (the latter because he said 'I am mafia', which is.. well.. dumb.)  EDIT: It was a sort of reaction test to see what would happen. In this case, you had a strange reaction when I said that, which I thought was a bit odd. Hmm... | ||
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On February 12 2008 10:25 Tracil wrote: @ Caller: Don't lie! Please don't lie. Please don't say you are mafia. That is instant grounds for lynch. Reason should be obvious. @ Shallow: Uh, sorry! there was a smiley face for a reason lol. I thought it might trip up people whom weren't too cautious. Also, do any of the current clues have anything to do with me? Its not like i have a sig, nor is my name overly complicated. | ||
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On February 12 2008 10:29 GeneralStan wrote: I kind of want you dead. You're either Mafia or a Liar, and a dead man in either case. hmm. how about...we wait for the next round of clues, and if im in there somewhere, then go ahead. but its still too early right now, and it was a silly provocation. | ||
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On February 12 2008 10:34 wurm wrote: You have a point. Though it was a bad idea to lie about being mafia. Either you will take a mob hit or get lynched by the townspeople. All in all, I don't think your "reaction test" was a good idea. well, i have a list of people who want me dead right now. I'll post it before if/when i die, so IF i am a towny, you can see whom may be a mafia. besides, i win if my faction wins, and if i die you'll see my alignment. | ||
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On February 12 2008 10:34 GeneralStan wrote: I'll add a third option. You're dumb. Dumb players should probably be lynched i made some other posts before that one lol | ||
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On February 12 2008 10:40 Live2Win wrote: I have a list of people right now who I believe are mafias. The top two are: Dr.Dragoon (99%) Caller (80%) The other's I am awaiting more clues. i'm not trying to change your mind or anything, but can i just see what your reasoning is for putting me up so high? | ||
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bowing with arm outstretched-maybe it means archery? plus there's the blanks being fired-missing the mark, if you will. also the sig is Quote Act happy, feel happy, be happy, without a reason in the world. Then you can love, and do what you will. love...festivities? | ||
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On February 12 2008 10:50 GeneralStan wrote: Caller: Last edit: 2008-02-12 10:48:36 You watch yourself ok ^_^ | ||
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On February 12 2008 11:20 RtS)Night[Mare wrote: LOOOL DR.DRAGON IS MAFIOSO. dude give up and lay low, by posting you increase your suspicion, you might live + Show Spoiler + not, lmao that post seems really suspicious somehow, but i cant put my finger on it | ||
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On February 12 2008 12:52 Alethios wrote: I'm interested to learn who the various mayoral candidates are planning on hanging from the neck until dead if elected. Also, just regarding timings, I assume any lynchings that occur just before night? i second alethios' motion. | ||
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On February 13 2008 10:21 Dr.Dragoon wrote: I vote for SoMuchBetter, out of spite O.O | ||
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On February 13 2008 11:15 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: attention citizens: at least one of the people running for mayor is probably mafia a vote for tracil is a vote for organized crime! all you people voting for Tracil change your vote immediately that quote is fairly suspicious but im going to vote for fakesteve anyways | ||
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On February 13 2008 12:15 Chuiu wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n99/chuiu/TLnight.png) [noClueArea] With the closing of the polls and the final count drawn, FakeSteve[TPR] had become the newly appointed mayor with Tracil as the pardoner. To conclude his inaugural speech he cast an accusing finger towards Alethios for his recent betrayal. As they tied a rope around his neck and readied the trap door he cried out his innocence and pleaded for his life. Sadly, Alethios, was later found to be innocent. Everyone who has a special role and chooses to use it please send it in to me via PM or IM. Mafia, this also means you! O.O ^_^ | ||
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On February 13 2008 12:18 randombum wrote: Y did Fakesteve pick Alethios?? i think cuz he changed his vote last, or... | ||
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On February 13 2008 12:19 CDRdude wrote: Huh. I guess maybe SoMuchBetter wasn't mafia after all. there are 14 mafia, for all we know, ALL the candidates were mafia | ||
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On February 17 2008 07:06 Amber[LighT] wrote: mmm you missed my vote in the election. That tally isn't correct =] I am not sure who else I would want to see get lynched. Honestly I think nightmare is innocent. Maybe we should keep falcynn around to see another day. Since we know his name was already brought up he will be fresh if the next clues point towards him. I think that one part isn't enough to say he's mafia. I'm not good at this stuff, but maybe Caller was the one who cut the phone lines? I agree with a lot of the other evidence already put forth. That's an interesting clue. However, doesn't that seem to be a tad of a blatant clue? I could make the same argument about you, Amber[Light] "The moon was fresh in the sky this eerily cold evening in the town of Liquidia" like an...amber light perhaps? w/e that clue is too obvious, i don't think that it applies to you. | ||
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On February 17 2008 07:47 Amber[LighT] wrote: Wait a sec. Maybe that 'doctor' we are suspecting is a vigilante? We're not told if those two people who used the serum were necessarily mafia right? Maybe Dr. Dragoon is a vigilante. The question is should he be lynched or should we keep him around? can't be first night =/= vigilante | ||
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. ShaLLoW[baY] 2. SoMuchBetter 3. Eti307 4. HotZhot 5. NotSorry 31. Drowsy 39. chicken` 70. to miss the mark 50. nemY 66. Folca 17. NeoIllusions 52. Valentine 53. SiZ.FaNtAsY also one of the live2win/fakesteve/somuchbetter/tracil group smells funny. cant put my finger on it though. where is tracil anyways? | ||
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On February 19 2008 10:35 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: Those people who keep saying "i feel i'm going to die tonight", care to explain so that we can hazard a guess at your aggressor's motive should you actually die? a possible motive is that we may have antagonized somebody(s, in my case) in earlier pages, or said something that may be close to the mark, and they might want to shut us up. Or, we might be completely wrong, and they'll shut us up to make us think that person was right. | ||
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edit: and i'm still not dead yet, interesting... Well, yogurt, before he died, was very suspicious of Zapling and Tracil. Look in the post search past. Hmmm... interesting. | ||
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3. Eti307 4. HotZhot 5. NotSorry 6. Tracil (Pardoner) 7. Caller 8. zdd 10. clazziquai 11. FakeSteve[TPR] (Mayor) 14. dancefayedance!~ 15. masami.sc 16. CDRdude 17. NeoIllusions 19. Fen 20. ieatkids5 22. dinmsab 23. imDerek 26. Mini Moose 2707 27. EmeraldSparks 28. randombum 30. ulszz 31. Drowsy 32. Quesadilla 33. goldenkrnboi 36. Aepplet 38. Live2Win 39. chicken` 41. Zelniq 42. Scooter 43. MyHeroNoob 44. ilovezil 45. infinity21 46. Falcynn 47. Alventenie 48. Empyrean 50. nemY 51. ZBiR 52. Valentine 53. SiZ.FaNtAsY 54. starrek 55. Thirdeye1017 56. JeeJee 57. Southlight 58. wurm 59. Amber[LighT] 60. demonic_phate 62. Hypnosis 63. ZaplinG 64. Vharox 65. Unforgiven_ve 66. Folca 67. KF91 69. Romance_us 70. to miss the mark heres an updated list of people still alive and IN THE GAME for you lads | ||
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This is a message i sent to Tracil regarding my suspicions of Live2Win. + Show Spoiler + I have no idea if u are townie or mafiaso, but here’s some concerns I have about live2win: Live2win has been mainly talking about how Dr. Dragoon is guilty and shallow is innocent. He’s been saying this over and over again despite certain clues that have pointed at other players that could be mafiaso. “However this puts me in a difficult position. The fact that the mafia didn't even attempt to kill me, means a few things: They want the towns people to suspect me and lynch me, or they want me to think I'm wrong and change my thoughts.... OR I am wrong and see no threat in me. I need time to think this through” -Doesn’t mention last option-is mafiaso? "how do you know 2 of the mafia went after Mahnini? That should be confidential information that should kept only to the mafia and Chuiu/DapperDan!" -for an intelligent player this should have been obvious in the clues. "The other man grabbed a small needle out of his coat pocket and slowly injected the strange serum into Mahnini. "This may take a couple seconds before it begins working ... ah there we go". Mahnini began having violent seizures and thrusting left and right in the chair. He quickly gained control of himself, however, and began to free himself from the grasp of the other mafia, but no sooner had Mahnini freed his hand did he die to the snapping of his neck. "Shame, we'll have to find another it seems" said the other man as they returned home, their quota filled for the night." -Stim pack? Say yes to stims? "The powers overseeing did not have first-rate plans for the residents of Krohms house on this night" -moderator? "The games the mafia likes to play do not parallel that of the normal towny. Life has no place in their games, only the likes of death and pain." Games of life…they maybe play to win? Live2win? Also, in a pm that was sent, I picked 12 random ppl + dragoon + shallow. Instead of asking me why I picked so and so, he kept trying to persuade me that shallow was innocent. Don’t reveal my name please. Fyi if you hide this and have me killed i.e. if u are mafia, I have sent this to some other people already. Here's a copy of the PM list that I had. + Show Spoiler + anything is possible. It isn't good to base your assumptions on what's possible. It's better to think upon what's not likely, what doesn't make sense. Yes it's possible they are both mafias. It's more likely, however, that only of them are mafias. You could be right though. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: the clues in the beginning of the game hinted that shallow may have been a mafiaso. as such, isn't is somewhat possible that they realized this and decided to sacrifice one of their expendable members to soak up attention and preserve one of their more experienced ones? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: that's possible, but Dr.Dragoon's actions were far too erratic. His initial reaction was sort of an "i give up" stance. Then he quickly changed his attitude and tried very hard to clear his name. If this was planned from the beginning they would have had a planned reaction, an "act" that is suppose to fool the public. They also have no motive. Neither were in any danger of being hunted nor lynched. It would make sense if one of them or both of them were being suspected as mafia, and pulled the stunt to save one... but that wasn't the case. Why pull a stunt that would guarantee one of them to be lynched when neither were in any danger to begin with? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: couldn't they be on the same side though? one may have sacrificed themselves to ensure the safety of the other. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: yes, some are on my list. Although I'd like to point out that Shallow[bay] and and Dr.Dragoon shouldn't be together. If the whole "I'm mafia" PM screenshot ordeal had anything to prove, it's that Shallow[bay] and dr.dragoon are not on the same side. Since I think dragoon is mafia, that would mean shallow is innocent. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: i have no idea what your allegiance is, and vice versa, but i was wondering if you have any of these people on your list: . ShaLLoW[baY] 2. SoMuchBetter 3. Eti307 4. HotZhot 5. NotSorry 13. Dr.Dragoon 31. Drowsy 39. chicken` 70. to miss the mark 50. nemY 66. Folca 17. NeoIllusions 52. Valentine 53. SiZ.FaNtAsY As if that wasn't bad enough, there was also the new clue, involving, again, Mr. Serum guy... or a stim pack? 1st case, guy dies from spasming. Sign of too many neurotransmitters/stimulation. 2nd case, guy dies from lack of oxygen, i.e. TOO much activity, i.e. too much stimulation. Now, you may ask why I am also suspicious of Tracil. Tracil is suspicious because Live2Win has been defending him suddenly after intially being suspicious of him. This came out of nowhere. Also, i sent the message to Tracil for a reason: to see if it may arouse a reaction. It didn't. He didn't even acknowledge me or respond to me, which is odd, because Tracil seems the type to want to debate people. The only reason so far that Tracil doesn't get my vote is the lack of clues. You can look at the evidence for yourselves, but... I cast my vote for Live2Win. | ||
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What kind of thing can't punch people? A Chicken. edit: i would recommend that fakesteve do a double lynching today. Blues are dropping like flies and bodyguards may come next. | ||
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On February 19 2008 14:06 randombum wrote: Caller, your theory is great and all, but to my recollection didn't live2win say "say yes to stims" AFTER the first syringe clue? he did? O.O shit there goes my theory | ||
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On February 19 2008 14:10 Alventenie wrote: not sure, but even still, its his quote now, and the clue applies to it vaguely, but he has more evidence than just that one to point to live2win. actually, i dont think so i looked at past posts and he never said something about that as a joke. in fact, the first mention of the word "stims" was by me just a few minutes ago | ||
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On February 19 2008 14:14 Alventenie wrote: go to live2win's profile, in his quote it says "yes to stims" he also has a profile of people on his suspect list, and i'm numero dos. Interesting. | ||
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On February 19 2008 14:18 randombum wrote: Lol alventenie, I like how all your desktop icons are of star craft, and that your running war 3. duh, DotA DotA DotA :D Pusou and So No Fek were the ones who pointed it out. They're both dead. Hmm... | ||
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On February 19 2008 21:14 Tracil wrote: Logic prevails at last~ Shallow was a pretty smooth operator- if he hadn't pulled that stunt early game I seriously doubt I would have been glaring at him at all. To respond to Caller... Please READ MY POSTS. I WILL NOT enter correspondance via PM and said that already. I can confirm that he sent it and actually intended to reveal this post after day broke; you've done it for me. I've yelled about receiving PMs before. I will continue to do so. I find them inherently scummy; if you're mafia and in a PM conversation where everything is secret, you can potentially just kill the guy off before he can spill what you've said to everyone else. Frankly, I find it way more scummy that you send me a PM, then set up this ridiculous argument that "Tracil didn't reply to me, ergo he's kinda scummy!" You haven't even read my posts if you think this is valid in the slightest. As far as the Live2Win thing goes, well. I don't know if he's mafia or not, but in general, him defending me isn't a tell either way *unless* he flips scum. I didn't really associate defending me with being scummy... although it wouldn't be a bad position for scum to take, I suppose. Eh, I guess I'm naturally a bit biased. <-> SUSPICIOUS DUDES. 1) Caller. He said "I am mafia!" earlier. That's really stupid. He's set up this PM thing about how me not replying to it apparently looks bad because I'm the type to discuss things... despite having already said that I don't want PMs and have generally reported them in the past (I intended to report this during daytime.) I don't really know about his case in Live2Win, as although it seems kinda wonky, Live2Win has done a couple things that stand out to me as well. Obligatory Clue: He also has 'mud' in his profile quote, and I remember one mafioso having muddy boots way back! Coincidence?! For now, I vote for Caller. Headsup, people, since we can change our votes there is actually no shame in voting fairly early. He also called for paramedics to protect him- DON'T DO THAT. Let them make up their own frigging minds. 2) People who seem to post as little as possible; i.e. those who only make token gestures and a small effort, and then go on to only state the bleedingly obvious. That's... a lot of people. So I can't REALLY be suspicious on these grounds alone, especially with the size of the game. General hint for late-game when there are less people- look at the guys who are lagging behind in conversation and not posting as much as others when discussion is going full-tilt. 3) FakeSteve. FakeSteve is mayor, he should be talking lots. But he's not! He's posting every now and again and seems to be exercising his mayoral powers as demanded, which is good. But... his lack of any kind of detective work of his own unsettles me greatly. I want to know what he thinks about recent events. I don't want to see him say crap like 'whether or not I'm town or scum is inconsequential, I'm not going to die.' 4) wurm. Wurm said at one point "Everyone is voting to lynch Dr. Dragoon again instead of analyzing the clues", but this post was *right after* a short debate on whether or not one of the clues did, in fact, point to Dr. Dragoon, so... this seemed a bit odd to me. However he does seem to be making large posts, which is pretty cool. 5) MasterofChaos: Isn't actually playing, but I hope he stops pretending. 6) clazziquai: Did this guy say *anything* except to tell Dr. Dragoon to die? 7) Falcynn reacted rather sharply when someone pointed out a clue that seemed to point to him; to be fair, other people were likewise treating it as remarkably solid. I just... didn't really think it was a big deal, but he seemed to overreact a bit. Not too sure here. Here's some quote. <-> I want to double lynch again, yada yada yada. <-> General game note. As the quantity of people alive winds down and the amount of mafia kills left drops, there's one kind of roleclaim that could be very useful- that is, elders. Elders have the power to double vote and are always town. By demonstrating their ability to cast multiple votes, they can effectively prove their townhood. Don't do this YET- you'll just get killed at night most likely- but LATER, perhaps when mafia only have 4-5 kills or so. Like I said Tracil, my suspicion of you is based on Live2Win's guilt. If he flips towny, then there is no reason to suspect you at all. On the other hand, if he flips scum, then you are that much more suspicious. Here's another thing: I sent the PM a long time ago, before Day 2. Why didn't you bring it up then? If you were afraid of dying, that would have to be bull I say, because you're the pardoner and have 3 bodyguards left. Yet another thing: Live2Win has not been targeted by the mafia as of yet-instead, it is TWO of his detractors, BOTH of whom talked about STIM, BOTH of whom died yesterday. You are right to treat me highly suspiciously. I did say that before. However, I leave it up to the town to decide. If I flip mafia, you can be sure that I'm probably screwing around. If I flip towny, on the other hand... then what? | ||
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On February 19 2008 21:58 chicken` wrote: Did yogurt tell us his suspicions, if he had any? i'm too lazy to read tons of pages again, but he was a detective after all and might have tried to convince us to vote for someone who he knew is guilty because he asked chuiu about a clue and got a satisfying answer. he couldn't have said that out loud obviously so maybe it pays to check again.. just a thought.. yogurt, ironically, was suspicious of Zapling. | ||
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On February 19 2008 18:32 ZaplinG wrote: here is a list of people with suspicious profiles: starrek: born March 03, 1953 Empyrean: profile says Dogma: I am God. Empyrean means dwelling place of god in the divine comedy, source of light infinity21: hairstyle Scooter: pen spinning get ladies wet Zelniq: sorry companion Cube, no cake chicken`: 645kpm oot frying pan in the fire, poor johnny - left the stove on Live2Win: accused list on profile shows confidence of not being lynched goldenkrnboi: #1 light hater Drowsy: As the echoes of laughter die out, crawl toward the earth where Gods lie buried Mini Moose 2707: SEN Admin imDerek: keke and halmet quote ieatkids5: 5 in name and procrastination Caller: Bread, apples, very small rocks, cider, horses, sherry, mud, churches, lead (most are things that float, from monty python and holy grail) i actually added that quote in after the game started lol | ||
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"I first suspected FS during his campaign.. or rather, lack there-of. How many posts did FakeSteve make to campaign himself for mayor? Almost none. Yet he won the election. On the other hand our Pardoner, Tracil put a lot out there. He really shared his thoughts and gave out tips. Of course I initial pointed that as a suspicious move, but at this point I admit that my suspicion of Tracil has subsided substantially. Yet even with all of his, "campaigning" he just barely scraped in 13 votes. (Although that probably has a lot to do with my "don't trust Tracil" speech)." this was during your anti fake steve thread. My question is, what has Tracil done since then and now? nothing. He's stayed quiet. | ||
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On February 19 2008 22:51 Tracil wrote: Caller: You're right that I haven't been posting much as I should. Doubly unforgivable due to my ranting about discussion earlier. Sorry 'bout that. The PM I didn't actually see until after night broke; either I didn't check between when you sent it and then, or I just didn't notice that I'd receieved it. I have not been so cool with PMs; my original intent was to reveal them on the spot, but since I received one claiming to be a bodyguard, I wanted to be a bit more cagey about who was sending me what. I certainly didn't want to reveal it during night, though, where town can't really do anything about it and mafia could use the opportunity to perhaps kill you and sow discord throughout town; basically, as discussion material, I felt it was better saved until the day broke again. So. My play hasn't been perfect. However, I disagree with the contention that, if Live2Win is scum, it implicates me. I can see the reasoning. But the points Live2Win stands out to me on are how his actions don't match up there; early in day 1 he was against me, trying to imply that my statements on how the game should be played are wrong/we should be cautious of Tracil. That kinda doubt-spreading sentiment. He retracted that; I assumed he'd been convinced. The thing that still bugs me to the present is how he kept voting for SoMuchBetter- a *null* factor. He'd done pretty much nothing but say 'vote me!' In that I felt he was no better than FakeSteve. So I was surprised when Live2Win did not vote for me, but kept his vote where it was. An explanation was offered and it's... tenuous, I'll grant. His play since day 1, though, has seemed pretty solid. Although.. ugh, now all these little things keep bugging me. For instance, when Dr. Dragoon was lynched, it felt pretty obvious that Shallow was likely scum, yet Live2Win seemed to react with great surprise upon today's dawn. Why? Genuine? I kinda lean towards it being faked, and yet, like I said, it's tenuous. So. I'm not entirely critical of you for going after Live2Win. I just don't really think it'd point to me were he to flip scum. Point taken. Like I said, with no clues, I have no evidence against you right now. Live2Win, however, has clues. | ||
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On February 20 2008 01:49 Aepplet wrote: i'd say we lynch the people who don't talk (unless there is some obvious suspect), because unless people talk, we can't tell who's a mafia easily. assuming everyone takes part in discussion, it would be easier to snare the mafia in their reasoning (and the way they cover for each other). what the mafia wants is to keep a low profile and just let the townies kill each others, only stepping in when they themselves are being threated. therefore, we should force them to start talking or face lynching. No, we shouldn't do that. I disagree. The mafia wants to keep a high profile so as to misinterpret clues and the like and direct them against other people, i.e. the Nightmare incident. If anything, we should get people whom aren't necessarily quiet-quiet people are sometimes blues. | ||
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On February 20 2008 07:24 Eti307 wrote: this is pretty hard. there are zapling theories that seems plausible but on the other hand there are live2win and caller that are suspicious... I vote to lynch Caller after reading the couple of pages I missed last night I think it may be a safe bet eh can i ask just how i seem suspicious or is this related to that tracil post? | ||
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On February 20 2008 07:49 Eti307 wrote: it is related to Tracil's post. Also the clue where the phone line has been cut can be directed at you. Finally you threw at us a list of suspects without explaining why they were suspects. To me it just looks like you were trying to throw random names here and there but the obvious ones that wasn't for you guys, if you had read the list it was a bunch of random people that i threw for a possible interpretation. that phone clue was so obvious that i really don't think it was related to me... but eh. | ||
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Live2Win Caller Alventenie Nemy (maybe) NotSorry Folca Southlight Caller Nemy (maybe) Tracil Vharox Eti307 Amber[light] SoMuchBetter CDRDude NotSorry Wurm Goldenkrnboi Demonic_phate ZaplinG | ||
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2.) His allegiance to FakeSteve. I've explained in a previous post why I suspect FakeSteve. Therefor, anyone who supported FS I had an eye on... especially those who voted with little reason, as explained the link to my post. These posts give relatively weak reasonings as to why he would vote FakeSteve, or why we should vote for FS. Of course, this doesn't mean he is mafia. It was just enough for a red flag on Caller. I don't see why Fakesteve is as suspicious as any of the other candidates. For all we know, they could all have been mafia. What I did know was that I did not want SoMuchBetter in the pardoner's seat. 3.) His odd posts, as if purposely stirring up trouble when not needed. Here's However, I disagree that we should be focusing elsewhere; the Dr. Dragoon vs. Swallow thing wasn't just a 'mishap'; it was either a blatant mistake on Dragoon's part, or a stupid action on Swallows. I don't think we can really let this slide. The attitudes people take on this will be noted for future days- people should weigh in on it, and I know that if I'm elected mayor, I will likely use the instant-lynch to kill either Dragoon or Caller at this point (the latter because he said 'I am mafia', which is.. well.. dumb.) EDIT: It was a sort of reaction test to see what would happen. In this case, you had a strange reaction when I said that, which I thought was a bit odd. Hmm...[/QUOTE] On February 12 2008 10:30 Caller wrote: there was a smiley face for a reason lol. I thought it might trip up people whom weren't too cautious. Also, do any of the current clues have anything to do with me? Its not like i have a sig, nor is my name overly complicated. His original message was just a simple " ". But one has to wonder, why do this? He explains it's a "reaction test" yet he made no follow up to what he found out. I personally don't think this was a test, but a simple little trick to confuse people.[/quote]It was a trick to confuse people. To see who was overzealous in persecuting just by that little statement. Unfortunately, the only thing it did was rouse some of my suspicion towards Tracil. Now first of all, this means that (assuming I'm a townie) none of the mafia tried to kill me. I'll admit at one point I was convinced that it's because I'm way off with my theories. But right now I'm seeing a possible, more ingenious reason: they can't, so they won't. Think about it: there are 4 paramedics, and there has been a few requests to protect me tonight, both by myself and a few others who trusted me. To the mafia, this guarantees that I will not be killed that night, unless more mafias attacked... yet with 4 medics, it is dangerous to attempt to kill me so early when there aren't that many people they trust to protect yet. In fact, if they attempted to kill me and I was saved, it would PROVE my innocence. The town won't know it, but the target (me) and the medic would both know, and they would let the town know. Once the town saw me as a target, they would assume I was innocent, and try to protect me. In the end the mafia won't be able to kill me until more medics were killed. So instead they're doing something different: they're trying to frame me. They first target the ones who have suspected me as mafia, making me look suspicious. Then they leave me untouched, making me look like a possible mafia. Then as the finale a mafia comes out and directs their finger at me, using the reasons listed above as proof. And who's finger is pointing at me? Caller. I've been wondering about why I'm not dead yet either. If I were a neutral observer, I can think of three scenarios: A) I'm being scapegoated by the mafia so that town can waste a lynch. Many people have been pointing at me as being mafiaso since the beginning, simply to my i suppose not-so-innocent statement. B) I am a mafiaso. This option does not make sense because if they are smart enough to leave Live2Win alive to set him up as a scapegoat, then why would I sacrifice myself to take him out? C) Either the mayor or the pardoner is mafiaso. Now, you may ask why this is the case. Well, I would suggest doing a little thinking :D Although I see your logic Live2Win, why would a mafia knowingly try and implicate themselves to get one towny? If anything, they could gut them at night, no problemo. Edit: In light of Tracil's new statement, I will withdraw my vote from Live2Win for now. Evidently its still too early, even with my evidence and Live2Win's evidence. I change my vote to Amber[Light] who is out to get me for no reason. | ||
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On February 20 2008 10:06 Tracil wrote: Caller: Try not to exclude the possibility that you're a townie and your accusers are likewise of town. Aditionally, when you say 'I am mafia' is a reaction test... well. How DO you expect people to react to it? :/ You're ignoring the fourth possible scenario, which is that all the major players in this argument are townies tripping over themselves. I find that a rather bizzare thing to overlook, if you're in the business of listing possibilities. The fact is that you're not a neutral observer and you just did a rather poor job of putting yourself in their shoes. that actually is part of answer a. There is a 4th scenario: everybody whos a major part in the argument is mafiaso :O <-> Don't think too hard about why you're not dead, people. It literally means nothing. Sure, they could be leaving you alive because your opinion is wrong. Or maybe it's right, and they're trying to trick you and everyone else into thinking it's wrong! Or..so on and so forth. It's not even worth drawing attention to. By extension, don't act as if paramedic protection is or is not going to apply to you, or should have applied to you, and that because you think it MIGHT have, that's some kind of evidence. I'm looking at you, Live2Win. Shit, there is another possiblity that i forgot about. Both Live2Win and I have been calling for paramedics throughout the entire thing. What if the mafia knew about this and...hit other people while meds were protecting us? | ||
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I may have to make a roleclaim. | ||
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On February 20 2008 13:37 Falcynn wrote: Would you care to explain? I mean I have my doubts too, but saying that bluntly seems kind of suspicious... think, how would someone like Fakesteve (the mayor) absolutely know who is a towny? | ||
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On February 20 2008 13:47 Alventenie wrote: well, 2 possibilities, you are A) a mafia, and he is covering up for you or B) a bodyguard, and possibly getting yourself murdered tonight for it =/ im dead anyways arent i at least this way we're not wasting a goddamn lynch edit: besides, there's the paramedic factor that may be accounted. Will the mafia hit people that are as obvious as me, assuming there are no medics? Are the medics going to help me? etc. | ||
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On February 20 2008 13:57 nemY wrote: Let's lynch you... scumbag! I'm still voting Caller because he has me on his hit list !nemy for the last time that was a bunch of people i picked out of the list at random, its nothing personal lol | ||
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On February 20 2008 14:47 Ace wrote: Could the mayor also be randomly assigned the role of Godfather? That would be hawt. theres no godfather in this game | ||
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On February 21 2008 02:39 ZBiR wrote: If you are that suspicious of Steve, then why do you want to spare the guy he wants you to spare? It doesn't make much sense to me. In the worst scenario, there will still be 2 bodyguards, in the best we will not only hit a mafioso, but also spot another one on mayor's seat. Also, the fact that Caller started suggesting that he's a special towny just after FakeSteve's post. It's quite possible that they made this up to form some "organized defense". or maybe its b/c i know who i am and if there are indeed a total of three bodyguards they could speak up and prove not only me wrong but Fakesteve wrong. Actually, you would note that i started suggesting that before Fakesteve's post. Besides, you're wasting a lynch today. Each day that you lynch a towny is actually equal to two towny deaths, not one. Why would Fakesteve expose himself to save someone who's about to be lynched if he is indeed mafia? That would be uncharacteristic of his play so far-idiotic, not like the role he is playing. And here are the quotes. Note the times. FakeSteve[TPR] Canada. February 20 2008 12:31. Posts 5981 PM Profile Blog Quote you guys are unbelievably stupid Caller United States. February 20 2008 09:58. Posts 215 C) Either the mayor or the pardoner is mafiaso. Now, you may ask why this is the case. Well, I would suggest doing a little thinking :D | ||
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On February 21 2008 03:27 chicken` wrote: qft i guess killing fs's bodyguards is a good thing cause we could lynch him soon, he really seems like an arrogant mafia fraud you can lynch people even if they have bodyguards. keep in mind that if the bodyguards die Tracil is exposed as well. | ||
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A lot of people are saying that lynching a bodyguard is a good thing, as if its no big deal. Wrong. These are the possible results: We know that all bodyguards are townies. We don't know who the Mayor and Pardoner are. If Mayor = Towny and Pardoner = Towny 1 Towny + .25 towny + .25 towny = 1.5 townies If Mayor = Scum and Pardoner = Towny (or if Mayor = Towny and Pardoner = Scum) 1 Towny + 0 towny + .25 towny = 1.25 townies If both M + P are scum: 1 Towny = 1 Towny On average, killing a bodyguard is like killing 1.25 townies. I still haven't seen any good reasoning aside from Tracil and Live2Win at this point that would imply my guilt. This is why I withdrew my vote, because I really don't think that despite my evidence, it failed to provoke any thinking and just started a bandwagon. Just like I am. Well, if I die, it will serve a lesson to those bandwagoners to maybe think of what they're doing rather than simply voting because so-and-so said so. Nemy is an exception because I pissed him off. If I die nemy I will forgive you you have a good reason. | ||
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On February 21 2008 03:40 ZBiR wrote: I don't undarstand this part of your reasoning - what has pardoner to do with whole situation? But yeah, this kinda looks like suggesting you're a bodyguard, I must have missed it because of this pardoner thing  i would think that the pardoner is protected by the bodyguards. Thus, he/she would be more cautious about people whom claim to be BGs than other people, especially when it comes to voting for them. Amber[Light], here are the reason's I'm voting for you: A) A dim light is apparent in the evening (moonlight) i.e. day 1 and day 2 killings. Also, in the theater, it emits a dim light. Why not Southlight? Southlight would probably have a clue involving a constellation. At least that's my thinking. 2) You are not only trying to take what seems to be a direct clue (and we all know what direct clues have done for us) but you are trying to convince others that it is a masterstroke. 3) You have the talking pattern that other people who were killed at night have. You pop in every now and then and say something, then leave. Yet for some reason, unlike your camaraden, you're still alive. That leads me to think that either you are VERY lucky or that you are scum. | ||
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On February 21 2008 03:49 ZBiR wrote: okay, but did you claim to be a BG before that post from 9.58? cause I don't think so, hence my suspicions why on earth would i do that, that's asking for getting my throat slit. telling everybody that you're a blue will cause the townies to get suspicious and the mafia to execute you mercilessly rather than some poor green. edit: the only reason i would do that is to avoid wasting one of the town's precious lynches. here's my thinking right now: steve is mayor. he wants as many body shields as possible. therefore, he wouldn't want to do a double lynch because he would lose a bodyguard for no appreciable gain. however: if i am no longer in danger of being lynched, he would more likely do a double lynch. | ||
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On February 21 2008 03:59 ZBiR wrote: Omg, this wasn't my point to literally answer that question, I wanted you to say why you suspected either Steve or Tracil, despite the fact that Tracil doesn't know you're a bodyguard (because you already said that you didn't reveal that earlier). Assuming that I am a BG: Steve has clearly stated that his goal is to remain alive. So mafia or not, I know that he would be on my side. Tracil needs the protection of bodyguards if he is a towny. If he is not a towny then he, being the intelligent person that he is, would also want to protect me if he suspected i was a BG. I don't suspect either one of them at the moment. I was saying that was a possiblity. | ||
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Tracil had no idea if you're a BG or not, so he didn't have any reason to spare you, still you throw a shadow of suspicion at him, like he didn't kill you (as mafia) as he knew. Of course he wouldn't, UNLESS steve is mafia as is tracil, or if steve told tracil who the guards are. I dunno. It was only one of several possibilities that I had out there. | ||
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I withdraw my vote from Amber[Light] and will abstain for now. | ||
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On February 21 2008 09:41 nemY wrote: FakeSteve and Caller are mafioso buds covering each other's butts. I change my votes for them! ...lol we've already gone over this. if i die somehow and flip up as mafia that implicates him as being mafia also = stupid | ||
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On February 21 2008 12:11 Live2Win wrote: So now it looks like I'm 90% about to be lynched. So I'll play my final card. Keeping this information no longer benefits me. It will be revealed anyways, and hopefully once my innocence is revealed, my previous accusations will be considered heavily. Also, I pubically request the pardoner, Tracil to pardon me. There's no point in PMing him, as he is against all PMs regarding the game. Some of you may see this as a desparate attemp by a mafia to stay alive. But this would be the same whether I was a townie or townie. If I die then that's it for me. I can do no more. Thus, I'm spilling everything I know for the town to use. Hopefully the town will use my previous posts and information to direct their attentions to someone else, someone who is hopefully a mafia. Others may wonder why I would risk a piece of information that guarantees death by the mafia, if not by the town. Again, because if I die then that's it. Even if this move keeps me alive for only an extra day, it will let me help the town. Another possibility is that another paramedic may keep me alive for the awhile, if they believe I'm innocent. There, I'm now naked in front of you all. I hide nothing. i figured as much... although i wouldnt pubically request anybody to do anything. that'd be kinda sketchy.  My only question for you is, why did u keep calling on medics to save you? | ||
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edit: live2win now only has 4 votes to my 5, tracil has 4 votes. interesting.......... | ||
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evven though im in this game i think this entire voting process is lols | ||
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[B] if you hate fucking retards vote to lynch tracil and we can get on with the game without his overbearing, annoying presence FakeSteve, you have an overbearing, annoying presence. Even if Tracil is a mafia, at least we can put up with him because he doesn't swear at us, accuse us without reason, and insult us.  (in the game) and leave us alone.[/QUOTE]actually i think that its hilarious, so im not sure if thats that good of a reason to kill people. | ||
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lynching fakesteve: chicken` -Suspect Romance_us -Suspect Aepplet-Suspect Live2Win -Suspect Empyrean-Suspect Vharox-not a suspect ZBiR-not a suspect Southlight-suspect Other people-not suspects Mayor election FakeSteve 14 Puosu-dead Caller-almost dead KF91 SiZ.FaNtAsY-dead GeneralStan-banned FakeSteve 14 Puosu Caller KF91 SiZ.FaNtAsY GeneralStan wurm randombum Hypnosis Wizard NotSorry | ||
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Think about it people: we've jumped from me, to live2win, to fakesteve. All this over a short span of time. What might be revealed next? also it is tempting to execute the top two honchos. Who wants anarchy!!!! ...no. just kidding I think that we should use our double lynches whenever possible, ESPECIALLY if we're going to lynch the mayor. | ||
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On February 22 2008 11:29 NotSorry wrote: I change my vote to nemY anyone who likes creepy emo goth 12yr olds has to be mafia. 41 years | ||
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Now, my vote is not for tracil because I think he is mafiaso. Its more of a vote against lynching fakesteve. We NEED the extra lynch people. Tracil can pardon himself (i think) so he has nothing to worry about. Unless he is planning on pardoning fakesteve thus, or if there are two people that are lynchable, i probably wont change votes. If he does those things, I probably will abstain with that vote. Live2Win, my eye is still on you | ||
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consider it: we have until day 6 to kill at least two mafiaso. thats... three days we have three lynches therefore i doubt the mafia would have 0 candidates for mayor-at least one had to be mayor the only major candidate left is...Tracil. therefore Tracil is likely mafiaso he has 4 pardons for 3 lynches therefore were buttfucked and we cant kill him cuz 3 bodyguards are still alive so unless our vigilantes killed all our bodyguards and tracil were boned | ||
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I change my vote to Miss the mark | ||
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Right now, Drowsy and ThirdEye are also on my list based on the clues. The stims clue is still quite present though. | ||
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I will abstain for now. But I am still very suspicious. | ||
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think about it total of 18 people voted of those up to 11 can be mafia gg and no detective either | ||
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shallow is a townie no joke i hacked into his computer and his pm says hes actually detective. | ||
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Just to check on a theory: I vote for Live2Win. | ||
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I STILL HAVE NO IDEA WHY NOBODY VOTED FOR TRACIL BESIDES ME -_- | ||
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8. 3 zdd 14. 4 dancefayedance!~ 19. 5 Fen 23. 6 imDerek 32. 7 Quesadilla 43. 8 MyHeroNoob 48. 9 Empyrean 52. 10 Valentine 64. 11 Vharox shit some of these were so obvious too.................... i apologize for incriminating u guys Live2Win and Tracil, although were all dead now, so meh ^_^ WAIT there was no mafia mayor candidate? | ||
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