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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
note i haven't cast my vote yet L2W: please stay within the rules. The above comment was editted because he stepped over his boundaries. You should respect that too. excuse me? what rules? i find this edit just proves your guilt considering what i said =/ | ||
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Tracil
Australia505 Posts
To the people who think Mafia would rather not keep a low profile: I disagree. Sure, it's *optimal* play for the mafia to discuss things and look like pleasant, rational townies will misdirecting all the lynches. But it's *probable* play for the mafia to be relatively quiet, especially if they can get away with it. Lots of people aren't really talking and there's no way to differentiate a quiet townie from a quiet mafioso. <-> Although to be honest? At the moment I'd rather vote for the people who are just tagging on to the Live2Win/Caller bandwagons without any rationale. Someone has suggested that 'it's probably one of live2win/caller/tracil is scum!' and while this *could* be true it isn't *necessarily* true. Just because two people argue doesn't mean either of them is scum. Who hasn't really said anything on either case today, yet has a vote out there? Amber[Light]. NotSorry (asdf if you're town it's not a good idea to lynch you just because you're wrong once, but it would be a good idea to lynch you if you don't say anything else -_-) Folca <-> Live2Win is absolutely right here- Live2Win said... People are hopping on the lynch train simply because they don't feel like looking into the clues and coming to a conclusion themselves. They scan over someone else's conclusion, half-agree with it and lynch whoever that person lynch. and, well. This isn't good. You should really always know *why* you're voting for someone, and say so- even if you're following someone elses opinion. At the moment, though? Caller has, for the most part, seemed.. better. Mrf. I no longer want to vote for Caller, because I'm voting for... NotSorry! Out of the three I listed, more clues from the descriptive text point to him, and he hasn't really engaged in discussion. The same could be said for a lot of people. But I'm going to take a stand against silence. <-> DOUBLE LYNCH WOULD BE AWESOME ANYTIME NOW. | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
2.) His allegiance to FakeSteve. I've explained in a previous post why I suspect FakeSteve. Therefor, anyone who supported FS I had an eye on... especially those who voted with little reason, as explained the link to my post. These posts give relatively weak reasonings as to why he would vote FakeSteve, or why we should vote for FS. Of course, this doesn't mean he is mafia. It was just enough for a red flag on Caller. I don't see why Fakesteve is as suspicious as any of the other candidates. For all we know, they could all have been mafia. What I did know was that I did not want SoMuchBetter in the pardoner's seat. 3.) His odd posts, as if purposely stirring up trouble when not needed. Here's However, I disagree that we should be focusing elsewhere; the Dr. Dragoon vs. Swallow thing wasn't just a 'mishap'; it was either a blatant mistake on Dragoon's part, or a stupid action on Swallows. I don't think we can really let this slide. The attitudes people take on this will be noted for future days- people should weigh in on it, and I know that if I'm elected mayor, I will likely use the instant-lynch to kill either Dragoon or Caller at this point (the latter because he said 'I am mafia', which is.. well.. dumb.)  EDIT: It was a sort of reaction test to see what would happen. In this case, you had a strange reaction when I said that, which I thought was a bit odd. Hmm...[/QUOTE] On February 12 2008 10:30 Caller wrote: there was a smiley face for a reason lol. I thought it might trip up people whom weren't too cautious. Also, do any of the current clues have anything to do with me? Its not like i have a sig, nor is my name overly complicated. His original message was just a simple " ". But one has to wonder, why do this? He explains it's a "reaction test" yet he made no follow up to what he found out. I personally don't think this was a test, but a simple little trick to confuse people.[/quote]It was a trick to confuse people. To see who was overzealous in persecuting just by that little statement. Unfortunately, the only thing it did was rouse some of my suspicion towards Tracil. Now first of all, this means that (assuming I'm a townie) none of the mafia tried to kill me. I'll admit at one point I was convinced that it's because I'm way off with my theories. But right now I'm seeing a possible, more ingenious reason: they can't, so they won't. Think about it: there are 4 paramedics, and there has been a few requests to protect me tonight, both by myself and a few others who trusted me. To the mafia, this guarantees that I will not be killed that night, unless more mafias attacked... yet with 4 medics, it is dangerous to attempt to kill me so early when there aren't that many people they trust to protect yet. In fact, if they attempted to kill me and I was saved, it would PROVE my innocence. The town won't know it, but the target (me) and the medic would both know, and they would let the town know. Once the town saw me as a target, they would assume I was innocent, and try to protect me. In the end the mafia won't be able to kill me until more medics were killed. So instead they're doing something different: they're trying to frame me. They first target the ones who have suspected me as mafia, making me look suspicious. Then they leave me untouched, making me look like a possible mafia. Then as the finale a mafia comes out and directs their finger at me, using the reasons listed above as proof. And who's finger is pointing at me? Caller. I've been wondering about why I'm not dead yet either. If I were a neutral observer, I can think of three scenarios: A) I'm being scapegoated by the mafia so that town can waste a lynch. Many people have been pointing at me as being mafiaso since the beginning, simply to my i suppose not-so-innocent statement. B) I am a mafiaso. This option does not make sense because if they are smart enough to leave Live2Win alive to set him up as a scapegoat, then why would I sacrifice myself to take him out? C) Either the mayor or the pardoner is mafiaso. Now, you may ask why this is the case. Well, I would suggest doing a little thinking :D Although I see your logic Live2Win, why would a mafia knowingly try and implicate themselves to get one towny? If anything, they could gut them at night, no problemo. Edit: In light of Tracil's new statement, I will withdraw my vote from Live2Win for now. Evidently its still too early, even with my evidence and Live2Win's evidence. I change my vote to Amber[Light] who is out to get me for no reason. | ||
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Tracil
Australia505 Posts
How DO you expect people to react to it? :/ You're ignoring the fourth possible scenario, which is that all the major players in this argument are townies tripping over themselves. I find that a rather bizzare thing to overlook, if you're in the business of listing possibilities. The fact is that you're not a neutral observer and you just did a rather poor job of putting yourself in their shoes. <-> Don't think too hard about why you're not dead, people. It literally means nothing. Sure, they could be leaving you alive because your opinion is wrong. Or maybe it's right, and they're trying to trick you and everyone else into thinking it's wrong! Or..so on and so forth. It's not even worth drawing attention to. By extension, don't act as if paramedic protection is or is not going to apply to you, or should have applied to you, and that because you think it MIGHT have, that's some kind of evidence. I'm looking at you, Live2Win. | ||
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NotSorry
United States6722 Posts
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
On February 20 2008 10:06 Tracil wrote: Caller: Try not to exclude the possibility that you're a townie and your accusers are likewise of town. Aditionally, when you say 'I am mafia' is a reaction test... well. How DO you expect people to react to it? :/ You're ignoring the fourth possible scenario, which is that all the major players in this argument are townies tripping over themselves. I find that a rather bizzare thing to overlook, if you're in the business of listing possibilities. The fact is that you're not a neutral observer and you just did a rather poor job of putting yourself in their shoes. that actually is part of answer a. There is a 4th scenario: everybody whos a major part in the argument is mafiaso :O <-> Don't think too hard about why you're not dead, people. It literally means nothing. Sure, they could be leaving you alive because your opinion is wrong. Or maybe it's right, and they're trying to trick you and everyone else into thinking it's wrong! Or..so on and so forth. It's not even worth drawing attention to. By extension, don't act as if paramedic protection is or is not going to apply to you, or should have applied to you, and that because you think it MIGHT have, that's some kind of evidence. I'm looking at you, Live2Win. Shit, there is another possiblity that i forgot about. Both Live2Win and I have been calling for paramedics throughout the entire thing. What if the mafia knew about this and...hit other people while meds were protecting us? | ||
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Tracil
Australia505 Posts
Don't call for paramedics. | ||
Live2Win
United States6657 Posts
However I am in danger of being lynched, I think it good for me to "over-reach" if it means keeping myself alive for the day atleast. As for whether I change my lynch vote, I'll have to give it some thought. Caller withdrawing his vote surprises me, and he does make a point is saying he wouldn't sacrifice himself to get me. (and I should really stop thinking like everyone's out to get me, lol) | ||
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Tracil
Australia505 Posts
Part of my general game theory is that people who talk often and frequently are generally more likely to be town than scum, and if they ARE scum, it'll come out in what they say. Conversly, people who are silent are awful for town. So... I'm still pretty suspicious of Caller, and actually his latest posts look kinda bad. But I think it would be better if we took some time to yell at people not talking at all. | ||
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goldenkrnboi
United States3104 Posts
but i have been posting when i can. well, moreso than other people, so the argument that i haven't been posting at all/that much isn't really that valid. though chuiu should send some PMs to the people who haven't been participating. On February 19 2008 18:48 ZaplinG wrote: So naturally, my main suspects are the names that repeatedly come up. they are: #1 goldenkrnboi. There always seems to be a guy popping out of the shadows. Even in the theater, the lights stayed off. In this guy's profile, he clearly says he is the #1 light hater. Now I know he meant it in a starcraft context, but I think chuiu may have used it in a more literal sense. hm... the places that you pointed out is just to help with the plot. i mean seriously. in the first day, the context says that dapperdan was running when he suddenly lost balance, meaning that he hadn't really suspected anyone being there. if i was that mafioso, do you really expect me standing there in the light as though i was saying "Hey Dapperdan! come over here so i can push you down the staircase!" in the second day, it's basically the same thing. the man hid in the shadows so he could trap krohm and kill him. if the mafia's presence was noticed, Krohm could have jumped out of the window, maybe grab the sleeping bag to brace the impact, and escape. for the theatre one, well, that one isn't valid because all the mafia are basically hidden in the shadow. | ||
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clazziquai
6685 Posts
 Caller I am voting for you | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
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Empyrean
16987 Posts
My thoughts: First, to the people who're calling for a double lynch, it's probably too late now. Second, just because people were opposed to Shallow doesn't mean that they aren't mafia themselves. It's VERY possible that Shallow was just a "sacrifice" mafioso; he was going to get lynched soon enough anyway after the whole DrDragoon fiasco, so he could have arranged for some mafia members to "go against" him. Once Shallow died, the mafia members who opposed Shallow would have all doubt on them removed since, hell, they voted to lynch a mafia member! Because of this, I honestly don't think that just because someone accused Shallow, they are an innocent towny. Tracil, your thoughts on this? I know you're quite experienced in these games so I was just wondering if my thinking was correct. "Thirdly", these clues are still as vague as ever. Is there any chance Chuiu could make them less, say, ambiguous? It's very easy to find a contrived "connection" to just about anyone from just about any clue. Personally, I think these clues are throwing us off; we should focus on people's responses and play-style more, instead of relying on "clues". EDIT: "Thirdly"...otherwise I would have had two second points. | ||
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Tracil
Australia505 Posts
In light of that, the obvious play for anyone with a rational mindset is to attack Shallow. I don't think going after him on that note is a tell in either direction, because it wouldn't take much for the mafia to realise that. So, yeah, I agree with you here. | ||
FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
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Empyrean
16987 Posts
On February 20 2008 12:31 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: you guys are unbelievably stupid | ||
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HotZhot
Colombia677 Posts
P.S: don't forget people, jumping on lynch wandbagons its not very intelligent, mafia are among us and they cast shadows everywhere..think for yourselves damit. So much blue on one night. | ||
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Tracil
Australia505 Posts
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
I may have to make a roleclaim. | ||
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