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On February 20 2008 06:29 NotSorry wrote:
Was thinking about this last night, and is there any rule that the clues have to give us a "killer" cause so far we've only found townies, maybe thats what the clues are trying to show us. Giving us clues to our allies rather than who our enemies are. Then again I think alot of strange things after working graveyard shifts.
"The objective of the game is to lynch or kill all mafia members before they outnumber the rest of the town, each day will reveal clues pointing to such individuals allowing the town to analyze them and point fingers all they want."
come on, you could have checked that easily...
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On February 20 2008 06:48 Aepplet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2008 06:29 NotSorry wrote:
Was thinking about this last night, and is there any rule that the clues have to give us a "killer" cause so far we've only found townies, maybe thats what the clues are trying to show us. Giving us clues to our allies rather than who our enemies are. Then again I think alot of strange things after working graveyard shifts. "The objective of the game is to lynch or kill all mafia members before they outnumber the rest of the town, each day will reveal clues pointing to such individuals allowing the town to analyze them and point fingers all they want." come on, you could have checked that easily...
Sorry mafia can't read, lynch me please.
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Write me in for the next one 
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this is pretty hard. there are zapling theories that seems plausible but on the other hand there are live2win and caller that are suspicious...
I vote to lynch Caller
after reading the couple of pages I missed last night I think it may be a safe bet
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On February 20 2008 07:24 Eti307 wrote:
this is pretty hard. there are zapling theories that seems plausible but on the other hand there are live2win and caller that are suspicious...
I vote to lynch Caller
after reading the couple of pages I missed last night I think it may be a safe bet
eh 
can i ask just how i seem suspicious or is this related to that tracil post?
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it is related to Tracil's post.
Also the clue where the phone line has been cut can be directed at you.
Finally you threw at us a list of suspects without explaining why they were suspects. To me it just looks like you were trying to throw random names here and there but the obvious ones
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On February 20 2008 04:09 MasterOfChaos wrote:
As it now does no longer influence the game:
Shallow did you really use MsPaint to save the screenshot?
Yes I did.
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Everything I said about .jpeg being default on my computer and habitually saving in .png, etc. was all true in case you guys were wondering.
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As it appears the guy I voted for already got his ass canned by a Vigilante, I vote Live2Win.
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On February 20 2008 07:49 Eti307 wrote:
it is related to Tracil's post.
Also the clue where the phone line has been cut can be directed at you.
Finally you threw at us a list of suspects without explaining why they were suspects. To me it just looks like you were trying to throw random names here and there but the obvious ones
that wasn't for you guys, if you had read the list it was a bunch of random people that i threw for a possible interpretation.
that phone clue was so obvious that i really don't think it was related to me... but eh.
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updated vote list fyi
Live2Win
Caller
Alventenie
Nemy (maybe)
NotSorry
Folca
Southlight
Caller
Nemy (maybe)
Tracil
Vharox
Eti307
Amber[light]
SoMuchBetter
CDRDude
NotSorry
Wurm
Goldenkrnboi
Demonic_phate
ZaplinG
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On February 20 2008 08:47 Caller wrote:
updated vote list fyi
Live2Win
Caller
Alventenie
Nemy (definitely)
NotSorry
Folca
Southlight
Caller
Nemy (definitely)
Tracil
Vharox
Eti307
Amber[light]
SoMuchBetter
CDRDude
NotSorry
Wurm
Goldenkrnboi
Demonic_phate
ZaplinG
fyp
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FWIW, somewhere around day 2 i sent shallow a PM of my suspects to see how he'd respond
the list i sent to him was this (note it's not the complete PM, but its the part he replied to):
+ Show Spoiler [mylist] +*'s = im fairly certain
%'s = could easily go either way
undecided on caller
infinity21*
hotzhot*
fakesteve%
Caller
amber[light]*
SoMuchBetter%
and here's his reply
+ Show Spoiler [shallow's reply] +
I've actually been suspecting a few of them of being mafia myself, particulary infinity21 (his posting habits are strange, it seems he only posts when attention is directed towards other people). I've learned that voicing your suspicions quickly gets the mob turned against you, so I've stopped publicly interpreting clues, although I haven't come up with anything new at this point.
SoMuchBetter is iffy, I don't know where he stands but he has more chance of being mafioso than FakeSteve in my opinion.
knowing that he is mafia, take from this what you will
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On February 20 2008 09:16 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
pff obviously shopped
You're dead, and that statement can affect how people look at that reply. I know it confused me.
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On February 20 2008 09:16 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
pff obviously shopped
xD
anyway if i were mafia, it's likely i wouldn't draw direct attention to any mafia members in a suspect list from a townie, but might mention it "as-it-were" in passing. as a result, i'd have to call SMB and fakesteve mafia, but infinity21 i'm still leaving on my previous suspicion level (somewhere about 70%)
=)
edit: southlight if you're townie we gotta talk on GGC
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Caller is now #4 in my most wanted list. He was on my list of semi-suspects already, but now is playing very shady and there have been good arguments against him. If he hangs tonight, I will be ok with it.
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Live2Win
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@ Tracil: By the last day of the voting for mayor, I was planning to change my vote. I waited a bit more incase some clue popped up that made you suspicious, but as time wore on I was more and more convinced of your innocence. I had reserved my vote for the last hour or so, except I forgot something very important: I had an exam. I left for my exam at around 8PM and came home around 10:30PM.... by which time the votes closed. I was going to say this a long time ago but I was afraid it would stir up unnecessary suspicions... unfortunately now I see it's done the opposite.
So yea, once I was pretty sure you were not mafia, I was going to change my vote... but before I could I had to take an exam that lasted longer than I thought.
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Since it's becoming more apparent that I'm going to get lynched (and that makes me sad) I am going to leave out a theory so that when I die, and when I'm proven innocent, it will hopefully steer your attention to another suspect: Caller.
To begin with, I want to explain why I suspected Caller, and why he's high up on my list:
1.) His opposition against ShaLLoW[Bay]. Of course this reasoning is now thrown out the window since it turns out Shallow[bay] was mafia, and Dr.Dragoon was innocent, so I won't go into much detail. Basically he was against Shallow[bay], and since I was convinced Dr.Dragoon was mafia, I figured he must be protecting a mafia.... I was wrong. This reasoning is no longer valid.
2.) His allegiance to FakeSteve. I've explained in a previous post why I suspect FakeSteve. Therefor, anyone who supported FS I had an eye on... especially those who voted with little reason, as explained the link to my post.
These are Caller's quotes regarding FS's nomination:
On February 12 2008 04:41 Caller wrote:
I vote for FakeSteve
edit: on the grounds that he likes paint
On February 12 2008 07:13 Caller wrote:
don't vote for better and/or trucil, they're both mafiosos trying to corner the vote. a vote for fakesteve is a vote for honesty and arbitrary executions.
On February 12 2008 21:06 Caller wrote:
vote for fakesteve, at least if he's a mafiaso he'll be killing random people anyways
On February 13 2008 02:30 Caller wrote:
dont forget to vote against the mafia tyrrany that is somuchbetter and tyracil... vote for fakesteve
On February 13 2008 07:05 Caller wrote:
vote for fake steve u fools
These posts give relatively weak reasonings as to why he would vote FakeSteve, or why we should vote for FS. Of course, this doesn't mean he is mafia. It was just enough for a red flag on Caller.
3.) His odd posts, as if purposely stirring up trouble when not needed. Here's a few quotes from Caller that had me thinking that:
On February 12 2008 09:47 Caller wrote:Alright i give up im a mafiaso, lynch me please 
This was pointed out by Tracil, but I'd like to emphasize that this short sentence makes almost no sense as a townie.
On February 12 2008 10:20 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 10:18 Tracil wrote:
@ L2W: Hmm. Accepted that it's true townies shouldn't just blindly act in one direction. Still a bit miffed but I like your tone so far.
However, I disagree that we should be focusing elsewhere; the Dr. Dragoon vs. Swallow thing wasn't just a 'mishap'; it was either a blatant mistake on Dragoon's part, or a stupid action on Swallows. I don't think we can really let this slide. The attitudes people take on this will be noted for future days- people should weigh in on it, and I know that if I'm elected mayor, I will likely use the instant-lynch to kill either Dragoon or Caller at this point (the latter because he said 'I am mafia', which is.. well.. dumb.) EDIT: It was a sort of reaction test to see what would happen. In this case, you had a strange reaction when I said that, which I thought was a bit odd. Hmm...
On February 12 2008 10:30 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 10:25 Tracil wrote:
@ Caller: Don't lie! Please don't lie. Please don't say you are mafia. That is instant grounds for lynch. Reason should be obvious.
@ Shallow: Uh, sorry! there was a smiley face for a reason lol. I thought it might trip up people whom weren't too cautious. Also, do any of the current clues have anything to do with me? Its not like i have a sig, nor is my name overly complicated.
His original message was just a simple "". But one has to wonder, why do this? He explains it's a "reaction test" yet he made no follow up to what he found out. I personally don't think this was a test, but a simple little trick to confuse people.
4.) This one's new. It's a theory I've cooked up after the Shallow[bay]/Dr.Dragoon incident was cleared up. One thing that puzzled me was that no one tried to kill me the first night, or the second night. Here's a quote from a few pages back:
+ Show Spoiler +On February 16 2008 16:54 Live2Win wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2008 16:02 goldenkrnboi wrote:
hm.... i find it strange and interesting that during the day post, there was no mention of L2W at all, even though he brought up really good points. also, after looking back at the post, i realized that there were 6 deaths, although the maximum is 7. this could mean 3 things: (in order of most likely what happened/is going on)
1. Chuiu isn't telling us about paramedic saves.
2. 2-3 of mafia got lazy and just chilled
3. L2W is part of mafia and either predicament 1 or 2
Chuiu, are you allowed to tell us about successful saves?
also, i'm voting for DD for reasons that i gave (some pages back) and reasons other people already gave.
I'm not that suspicious of SMB that much anymore. I'm still not really convinced that you're not mafia, but, then again, you probably think the same about me, as does everybody else in this game about each other.
I'm getting kicked off the comp right now, so i'll try to see what i can pick out from the day post fully tomorrow. I wasn't saved by a paramedic, because I didn't get this "PM" from Chuiu or Dapperdan. I have no reason to lie about this either, as the paramedic(s) can easily uncover my lie. However this puts me in a difficult position. The fact that the mafia didn't even attempt to kill me, means a few things: They want the towns people to suspect me and lynch me, or they want me to think I'm wrong and change my thoughts.... OR I am wrong and see no threat in me. I need time to think this through.
Now first of all, this means that (assuming I'm a townie) none of the mafia tried to kill me. I'll admit at one point I was convinced that it's because I'm way off with my theories. But right now I'm seeing a possible, more ingenious reason: they can't, so they won't.
Think about it: there are 4 paramedics, and there has been a few requests to protect me tonight, both by myself and a few others who trusted me. To the mafia, this guarantees that I will not be killed that night, unless more mafias attacked... yet with 4 medics, it is dangerous to attempt to kill me so early when there aren't that many people they trust to protect yet.
In fact, if they attempted to kill me and I was saved, it would PROVE my innocence. The town won't know it, but the target (me) and the medic would both know, and they would let the town know. Once the town saw me as a target, they would assume I was innocent, and try to protect me. In the end the mafia won't be able to kill me until more medics were killed.
So instead they're doing something different: they're trying to frame me. They first target the ones who have suspected me as mafia, making me look suspicious. Then they leave me untouched, making me look like a possible mafia. Then as the finale a mafia comes out and directs their finger at me, using the reasons listed above as proof. And who's finger is pointing at me? Caller.
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Now of course, some of you will simply look at this as a ploy of mine to stay alive. At this point I can understand how Dr.Dragoon feels. People are hopping on the lynch train simply because they don't feel like looking into the clues and coming to a conclusion themselves. They scan over someone else's conclusion, half-agree with it and lynch whoever that person lynch.
I only ask of you, Liquidians, to not let that happen. If you must lynch me, look over Caller's posts, and my posts. Consider all possibilities and if you agree with him, then lynch me. Please don't lynch for the sake of lynching.
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Live2Win
United States6657 Posts
Oh I forgot
I vote to lynch Caller
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