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On June 09 2024 22:24 AlphaZero wrote:
mav what is the liklihood of trfel being mafia in your opinion? I know self meta is stupid but of all the games for me to be mafia in, why the one where I stopped following my post count limits?
Like if you have an actual reason for me being mafia, other than just because I pushed something opposite to how you view the game, I'm quite curious.
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On June 09 2024 22:25 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 22:23 Trfel wrote:On June 09 2024 22:21 marvellosity wrote:On June 09 2024 22:17 Trfel wrote:On June 09 2024 22:14 marvellosity wrote:
Stop with the compliments already x Dang, if not being an idiot is a compliment, you must not have as big of an ego as I thought  If anyone has a moment, curious if my perspective on scott31337 not re-evaluating his reads makes sense to anyone else? While it makes a lot of sense to me, if I'm wrong about this, it would be good to figure that out. I’m struggling to make much of it either way? Hm.... I was thinking people would either strongly agree or disagree, how can you be stuck in the middle? I don’t know how to answer this without being circular Could he still hold those reads as town? Yes I think so Could he be mafia sticking with the same reads? Yes why not Am I missing something fundamental? Oh, sure. I didn't mean to say that it makes scott31337 town, my point is that if you were to construct a town mindset for scott31337's play, sticking to his reads is very natural imo. And thus I don't think it's a good reason to suspect him.
Basically the conclusion is "this argument isn't very good" instead of "this makes scott31337 town."
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On June 09 2024 22:26 AlphaZero wrote:
I don't understand the trfel hard defense of scott at all.
He is not able to get a town read that strong, its really off-putting. I mean I do feel kinda bad because the dude can't adequately defend himself, which makes me feel like someone ought to?
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On June 09 2024 22:24 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 21:36 Trfel wrote:
@AlphaZero, for what it's worth I wasn't trying to "lead" anything.
@marvellosity, I'd consider lowering sandroba for sure. Maybe Vivax too but he might be fine there (I'm probably just paranoid). And I honestly would put Koshi higher, which I know you don't want to hear.
Could be wrong, the one game I played with mafia!Koshi had the slight issue of me also being mafia so I didn't play, so idk what mafia!Koshi is like, but if I had to guess I don't think it would be this.
@Oatsmaster, why wouldn't the reverse apply? Like, why wouldn't mafia be happy lynching town!Kelsi3r and saving the town!scott31337 lynch for tomorrow? Because kel is an infinitely easier lynch tmr? You think so? I think scott31337 is a pretty easy lynch tomorrow (or at any point), but I could see that being wrong I suppose. Other than me and rsoultin, I don't think anyone was particularly vocal about not lynching scott31337?
@AlphaZero, I don't really have much to add. I tend to be right when I defend people suspected by most of the game, I think there was one time I was wrong maybe? But maybe you're right, I can stop, if scott31337 dies then so be it.
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On June 09 2024 22:53 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 22:28 AlphaZero wrote:On June 09 2024 22:27 marvellosity wrote:On June 09 2024 22:24 AlphaZero wrote:
mav what is the liklihood of trfel being mafia in your opinion? Low He just seems incredibly interested and thinking about the game a lot. And from different perspectives too.
If Trfel is mafia he’s pocketed me completely He is not really doing this beyond face value. He still wanted to lynch kels and save scott, despite good reasons to not want that. I dont believe he was around The only active person was rsoultin who would not vote Scott iirc Not really a valid argument because I wouldn't really have changed my mind if I was around though.
Side note, Mocsta, do you happen to remember if we've played together before? I think we played together once (and then apparently also End of the World Party Mafia but that doesn't really count), but I could be wrong.
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On June 09 2024 23:00 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 22:52 Trfel wrote:On June 09 2024 22:24 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 09 2024 21:36 Trfel wrote:
@AlphaZero, for what it's worth I wasn't trying to "lead" anything.
@marvellosity, I'd consider lowering sandroba for sure. Maybe Vivax too but he might be fine there (I'm probably just paranoid). And I honestly would put Koshi higher, which I know you don't want to hear.
Could be wrong, the one game I played with mafia!Koshi had the slight issue of me also being mafia so I didn't play, so idk what mafia!Koshi is like, but if I had to guess I don't think it would be this.
@Oatsmaster, why wouldn't the reverse apply? Like, why wouldn't mafia be happy lynching town!Kelsi3r and saving the town!scott31337 lynch for tomorrow? Because kel is an infinitely easier lynch tmr? You think so? I think scott31337 is a pretty easy lynch tomorrow (or at any point), but I could see that being wrong I suppose. Other than me and rsoultin, I don't think anyone was particularly vocal about not lynching scott31337?
@AlphaZero, I don't really have much to add. I tend to be right when I defend people suspected by most of the game, I think there was one time I was wrong maybe? But maybe you're right, I can stop, if scott31337 dies then so be it. Dmb wouldn't vote Scott It was literally in the post you last responded to me about  I reckon dmb is not trying to solve the game and is scummy She said she wouldn't lynch scott31337 at this time but left the door wide, wide open for doing so in the future. So I wouldn't consider that a deterrent for future lynches.
Yes, I agree that die_meatbaby could definitely be mafia.On June 08 2024 10:01 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 09:57 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2024 09:46 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 08 2024 09:36 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2024 09:04 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 08 2024 08:17 AlphaZero wrote:
I’ll lynch vivax with you oats.
Vote:vivax Is first time you play with vivax? I am used to always read vivax first because for me are 2 option with vivax first when i am mafia I have to get him out of the game as fast as possibole second is if i am town he is still the "easiest" read for me. If vivax is mafia he just posting random shit, jokes, memes, off the topic stuff and hating the government of austria if he is Town he actually trys to tell us his opinion, try to find scummy shit, beeing paranoid about chez but he is not in the game and hating the government of austria. For me he looks like Town (atm) you have any other scum reads? Source on the mafia meta read? Are you looking for the weakest players again like in your last mafia game? I’d go after you no? Why would I go after vivax? Answer the question please I just wanted to remind you you cannot make the same bs twice On June 08 2024 10:19 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 10:13 rsoultin wrote:
i mean the having icky vibes off az i can identify with but maybe your time would be better spent catching up if you're just throwing shade at oats because he was pushing you as mafia in an earlier game I am not pushing him as mafia(atm). i just wanted to remind him that some things should not be done twice Maybe I'm making something out of nothing, but these posts are at least worth looking into? Why would die_meatbaby, as town, warn someone not to do something that would give them away as mafia?
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On June 09 2024 23:03 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 22:57 Trfel wrote:On June 09 2024 22:53 Mocsta wrote:On June 09 2024 22:28 AlphaZero wrote:On June 09 2024 22:27 marvellosity wrote:On June 09 2024 22:24 AlphaZero wrote:
mav what is the liklihood of trfel being mafia in your opinion? Low He just seems incredibly interested and thinking about the game a lot. And from different perspectives too.
If Trfel is mafia he’s pocketed me completely He is not really doing this beyond face value. He still wanted to lynch kels and save scott, despite good reasons to not want that. I dont believe he was around The only active person was rsoultin who would not vote Scott iirc Not really a valid argument because I wouldn't really have changed my mind if I was around though. Side note, Mocsta, do you happen to remember if we've played together before? I think we played together once (and then apparently also End of the World Party Mafia but that doesn't really count), but I could be wrong. I'm.certain we have Probably similar outcome to this game. Town/town and you were fleeting in/out with me iirc There's something very specific I remember. I was playing with someone for (I think) the first time we played together, and they were very impressed with my analysis, and then I sheeped rsoultin on a toneread of someone and the other person flipped out and instantly hard scumread me because they couldn't possibly imagine that the same person who could provide such detailed analysis would be swayed by a simple no-analysis tone read.On June 08 2024 15:42 Mocsta wrote:trfel for the record, the playstyle itself is neutral, i was explaining what i meant by withhold. az started strong so i could also be guilty of holding az to a higher expectation; yet i reckon rest of filter is a mess (with a reluctant admission  that there is some good stuff too).. like in my mind, if i removed the red flag posts out of his filter, it would be quite consistent actually so im slowly slowly reducing my expectation of az to betaone again a reason why im not going balls to the wall i still need to re look into scotts filter. will bbl Looks actually quite similar to the thought process displayed here, which is why I bring it up. If my memory is incorrect then please disregard 
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On June 09 2024 23:07 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 23:03 Mocsta wrote:On June 09 2024 22:57 Trfel wrote:On June 09 2024 22:53 Mocsta wrote:On June 09 2024 22:28 AlphaZero wrote:On June 09 2024 22:27 marvellosity wrote:On June 09 2024 22:24 AlphaZero wrote:
mav what is the liklihood of trfel being mafia in your opinion? Low He just seems incredibly interested and thinking about the game a lot. And from different perspectives too.
If Trfel is mafia he’s pocketed me completely He is not really doing this beyond face value. He still wanted to lynch kels and save scott, despite good reasons to not want that. I dont believe he was around The only active person was rsoultin who would not vote Scott iirc Not really a valid argument because I wouldn't really have changed my mind if I was around though. Side note, Mocsta, do you happen to remember if we've played together before? I think we played together once (and then apparently also End of the World Party Mafia but that doesn't really count), but I could be wrong. I'm.certain we have Probably similar outcome to this game. Town/town and you were fleeting in/out with me iirc There's something very specific I remember. I was playing with someone for (I think) the first time we played together, and they were very impressed with my analysis, and then I sheeped rsoultin on a toneread of someone and the other person flipped out and instantly hard scumread me because they couldn't possibly imagine that the same person who could provide such detailed analysis would be swayed by a simple no-analysis tone read. Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 15:42 Mocsta wrote:trfel for the record, the playstyle itself is neutral, i was explaining what i meant by withhold. az started strong so i could also be guilty of holding az to a higher expectation; yet i reckon rest of filter is a mess (with a reluctant admission that there is some good stuff too).. like in my mind, if i removed the red flag posts out of his filter, it would be quite consistent actually so im slowly slowly reducing my expectation of az to betaone again a reason why im not going balls to the wall i still need to re look into scotts filter. will bbl Looks actually quite similar to the thought process displayed here, which is why I bring it up. If my memory is incorrect then please disregard Okay so I can't find it, never mind I guess.
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On June 09 2024 23:22 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 23:07 Trfel wrote:On June 09 2024 23:03 Mocsta wrote:On June 09 2024 22:57 Trfel wrote:On June 09 2024 22:53 Mocsta wrote:On June 09 2024 22:28 AlphaZero wrote:On June 09 2024 22:27 marvellosity wrote:On June 09 2024 22:24 AlphaZero wrote:
mav what is the liklihood of trfel being mafia in your opinion? Low He just seems incredibly interested and thinking about the game a lot. And from different perspectives too.
If Trfel is mafia he’s pocketed me completely He is not really doing this beyond face value. He still wanted to lynch kels and save scott, despite good reasons to not want that. I dont believe he was around The only active person was rsoultin who would not vote Scott iirc Not really a valid argument because I wouldn't really have changed my mind if I was around though. Side note, Mocsta, do you happen to remember if we've played together before? I think we played together once (and then apparently also End of the World Party Mafia but that doesn't really count), but I could be wrong. I'm.certain we have Probably similar outcome to this game. Town/town and you were fleeting in/out with me iirc There's something very specific I remember. I was playing with someone for (I think) the first time we played together, and they were very impressed with my analysis, and then I sheeped rsoultin on a toneread of someone and the other person flipped out and instantly hard scumread me because they couldn't possibly imagine that the same person who could provide such detailed analysis would be swayed by a simple no-analysis tone read. On June 08 2024 15:42 Mocsta wrote:trfel for the record, the playstyle itself is neutral, i was explaining what i meant by withhold. az started strong so i could also be guilty of holding az to a higher expectation; yet i reckon rest of filter is a mess (with a reluctant admission that there is some good stuff too).. like in my mind, if i removed the red flag posts out of his filter, it would be quite consistent actually so im slowly slowly reducing my expectation of az to betaone again a reason why im not going balls to the wall i still need to re look into scotts filter. will bbl Looks actually quite similar to the thought process displayed here, which is why I bring it up. If my memory is incorrect then please disregard I think disregard I may have confused you.with tictock.for synergy I went through my last set of games and we played together town/town in vendee mafia Some.of.the.dialogue is.fuckn on point to this game. Made me chuckle. It's literally you saying. I don't get what you mean but it's town. Lol Yeah, I noted that the Vendee Globe mafia game was the one town/town intersection where I didn't die on day 1, but I didn't see what I remembered.
At least I'm consistent I suppose?
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On June 09 2024 23:25 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 23:14 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 09 2024 23:02 Trfel wrote:On June 09 2024 23:00 Mocsta wrote:On June 09 2024 22:52 Trfel wrote:On June 09 2024 22:24 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 09 2024 21:36 Trfel wrote:
@AlphaZero, for what it's worth I wasn't trying to "lead" anything.
@marvellosity, I'd consider lowering sandroba for sure. Maybe Vivax too but he might be fine there (I'm probably just paranoid). And I honestly would put Koshi higher, which I know you don't want to hear.
Could be wrong, the one game I played with mafia!Koshi had the slight issue of me also being mafia so I didn't play, so idk what mafia!Koshi is like, but if I had to guess I don't think it would be this.
@Oatsmaster, why wouldn't the reverse apply? Like, why wouldn't mafia be happy lynching town!Kelsi3r and saving the town!scott31337 lynch for tomorrow? Because kel is an infinitely easier lynch tmr? You think so? I think scott31337 is a pretty easy lynch tomorrow (or at any point), but I could see that being wrong I suppose. Other than me and rsoultin, I don't think anyone was particularly vocal about not lynching scott31337?
@AlphaZero, I don't really have much to add. I tend to be right when I defend people suspected by most of the game, I think there was one time I was wrong maybe? But maybe you're right, I can stop, if scott31337 dies then so be it. Dmb wouldn't vote Scott It was literally in the post you last responded to me about I reckon dmb is not trying to solve the game and is scummy She said she wouldn't lynch scott31337 at this time but left the door wide, wide open for doing so in the future. So I wouldn't consider that a deterrent for future lynches. Yes, I agree that die_meatbaby could definitely be mafia. On June 08 2024 10:01 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 08 2024 09:57 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2024 09:46 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 08 2024 09:36 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2024 09:04 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 08 2024 08:17 AlphaZero wrote:
I’ll lynch vivax with you oats.
Vote:vivax Is first time you play with vivax? I am used to always read vivax first because for me are 2 option with vivax first when i am mafia I have to get him out of the game as fast as possibole second is if i am town he is still the "easiest" read for me. If vivax is mafia he just posting random shit, jokes, memes, off the topic stuff and hating the government of austria if he is Town he actually trys to tell us his opinion, try to find scummy shit, beeing paranoid about chez but he is not in the game and hating the government of austria. For me he looks like Town (atm) you have any other scum reads? Source on the mafia meta read? Are you looking for the weakest players again like in your last mafia game? I’d go after you no? Why would I go after vivax? Answer the question please I just wanted to remind you you cannot make the same bs twice On June 08 2024 10:19 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 08 2024 10:13 rsoultin wrote:
i mean the having icky vibes off az i can identify with but maybe your time would be better spent catching up if you're just throwing shade at oats because he was pushing you as mafia in an earlier game I am not pushing him as mafia(atm). i just wanted to remind him that some things should not be done twice Maybe I'm making something out of nothing, but these posts are at least worth looking into? Why would die_meatbaby, as town, warn someone not to do something that would give them away as mafia? Because that’s who she is lol nah post is slightly out of context She's saying mafia!oats tunneled town!dmb as a weak/easy lunch It's clarified with rsoultin Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 09:57 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 08 2024 09:52 rsoultin wrote:On June 08 2024 09:46 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 08 2024 09:36 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2024 09:04 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 08 2024 08:17 AlphaZero wrote:
I’ll lynch vivax with you oats.
Vote:vivax Is first time you play with vivax? I am used to always read vivax first because for me are 2 option with vivax first when i am mafia I have to get him out of the game as fast as possibole second is if i am town he is still the "easiest" read for me. If vivax is mafia he just posting random shit, jokes, memes, off the topic stuff and hating the government of austria if he is Town he actually trys to tell us his opinion, try to find scummy shit, beeing paranoid about chez but he is not in the game and hating the government of austria. For me he looks like Town (atm) you have any other scum reads? Source on the mafia meta read? Are you looking for the weakest players again like in your last mafia game? do you feel vivax is one of the weakest players in this game? this is a genuine question because i wouldn't normally consider him a weak player in a vacuum, at least as town No not at all. V already played a lot of mafia games on many different websides and some of that are really good. It´s just my thing that I am always try to read him first. A nd this was more like a general question to oats, because in his last game (mafia Oats) just posted kill dmb. vote dmb. scum dmb... and he came almost through with this bs on just hitting on the weak players, newbe or how ever you want to call me Unless I'm misunderstanding Oatsmaster that doesn't contradict what he is saying?On June 09 2024 20:59 marvellosity wrote:
In town-DMB world, I feel quite strongly that she has an aversion to lynching ‘lynch baity’ players, because I think she sees herself in that position and doesn’t like it happening to others like her.
It’s what makes it really tricky to figure out the motivations behind it Like if you take marvellosity's view here to be true, I could see it making sense, where die_meatbaby is so focused on not going for easy lynches that she's willing to go out of her way to warn someone not to do that, even if them doing so would actually benefit her.
If that makes sense?
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I get what you guys are saying but personally I'd rather wait?
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On June 09 2024 23:38 Trfel wrote:
I get what you guys are saying but personally I'd rather wait? AlphaZero's going to bite my head off for saying this, isn't he.
Whoops.
Too late to take it back though. Just trust me.
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Mocsta
Starts out by voting for Kelsi3r. I think this is valid, Koshi and AlphaZero probably disagree, whatever (shrug)
Mocsta then says that AlphaZero is his top scum read (#703 if you care). But he doesn't explain why for almost two hours? On one hand I get it, since AlphaZero wasn't super likely to be lynched, on the other hand this is fairly early day 1, and he claims to have (and later posts) serious reasoning? (#719, #727) Don't think this makes him mafia, but it's interesting at least.
Mocsta's suspicions of die_meatbaby (here) feel a bit off, nothing too special but I slightly disagree with his characterization of die_meatbaby's play, when combined with withholding conclusion to ask about meta and to see how die_meatbaby responds to AlphaZero voting for Vivax, the whole thing just makes me feel a little weird? Maybe I'm making something out of nothing, idk.
Finished Mocsta's filter, honestly it seems mostly fine to me? Not a lot sticks out in a scummy way. I'm starting to get tired so maybe that's just me not being observant?
Skimmed marvellosity's filter for Mocsta stuff, per request. There's Mocsta's "mistake" early on, and there's AlphaZero's characterization that Mocsta is fabricating his reads. It really just looks like those things right? I don't find them terribly compelling. I also agree that Mocsta's play looked rather town motivated towards the end of Day 1. Or at least, not mafia motivated.
In the end I think Mocsta is a solid townread and I don't see much reason to call him mafia.
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On June 09 2024 23:50 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 23:32 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 09 2024 23:30 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 09 2024 23:00 Mocsta wrote:On June 09 2024 22:52 Trfel wrote:On June 09 2024 22:24 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 09 2024 21:36 Trfel wrote:
@AlphaZero, for what it's worth I wasn't trying to "lead" anything.
@marvellosity, I'd consider lowering sandroba for sure. Maybe Vivax too but he might be fine there (I'm probably just paranoid). And I honestly would put Koshi higher, which I know you don't want to hear.
Could be wrong, the one game I played with mafia!Koshi had the slight issue of me also being mafia so I didn't play, so idk what mafia!Koshi is like, but if I had to guess I don't think it would be this.
@Oatsmaster, why wouldn't the reverse apply? Like, why wouldn't mafia be happy lynching town!Kelsi3r and saving the town!scott31337 lynch for tomorrow? Because kel is an infinitely easier lynch tmr? You think so? I think scott31337 is a pretty easy lynch tomorrow (or at any point), but I could see that being wrong I suppose. Other than me and rsoultin, I don't think anyone was particularly vocal about not lynching scott31337?
@AlphaZero, I don't really have much to add. I tend to be right when I defend people suspected by most of the game, I think there was one time I was wrong maybe? But maybe you're right, I can stop, if scott31337 dies then so be it. Dmb wouldn't vote Scott It was literally in the post you last responded to me about I reckon dmb is not trying to solve the game and is scummy I try and i will even try more as soon as the people here getting activ. How the fuck should i find out who the fuck is mafia if half of the people not playing where is slam, sandro, rayn,..... guys come on pls write something here. This is just mafia yes? She has an entire day she hasn’t read and she is coming in here complaining about 3 players outta the 11 remaining not posting, curiously the same complaint as az and marv I am sorry that I wasn't playing yesterday because of work. I need some sleep and I will start as soon as the night is over. It's not smart to post lists or opinions on who is what in the night... The bolded claim above is generally considered untrue, especially by stronger players. I think you'd be much, much, MUCH better off sharing your thoughts now as opposed to waiting.
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On June 09 2024 23:53 Vivax wrote:
I have a townread on dmb fwiw. She seems very relaxed tonally.
I‘d like a doc on marv.
I‘d like rayn to play the game.
I love GabeN Is scott31337 mafia still?
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On June 10 2024 00:16 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 00:14 Trfel wrote:On June 09 2024 23:53 Vivax wrote:
I have a townread on dmb fwiw. She seems very relaxed tonally.
I‘d like a doc on marv.
I‘d like rayn to play the game.
I love GabeN Is scott31337 mafia still? I think so. Don‘t understand his post about AZ if he isn‘t. Which post? To clarify
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On June 10 2024 00:38 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 09:33 Vivax wrote:On June 09 2024 09:29 scott31337 wrote:On June 09 2024 09:18 Mocsta wrote:
one underlying issue i have with scott is that
when he was getting heat and i backed him, he made some posts that soft buddied to me.. which i thought was completely reasonable if town.
my issue therefore is that, as my read with AZ has shifted and evolved, hes not paid attention (publicly at least) to it.. no comments or impact on scotts AZ read is very weird to me.
now scott says hes completely up to date, so its been read, and apparently not relevant - so again. i find this super super weird and struggling to identify how town would do that. AZ is not the lynch today unless everyone expands their mind. So forgive me for not spending the energy nested into such. But he's my #2 still - so help me out - maybe I missed a point of yours. Excuse me but what do you mean by the bolded. This one You confuse me greatly. I don't mean to be obtuse but why does this make scott31337 mafia? I honestly have no clue what you might be getting at.
Also, scott31337, you don't have to defend me That goes the other way around (except not anymore because it was making AlphaZero mad but whatever)
Have to say, watching raynpelikoneet and marvellosity argue was kinda funny (at least for a bit, then it got boring fast, but oh well).
I do find it weird that raynpelikoneet is coming in swinging with full confidence having not read over half of the game? Sure, lots of the parts he didn't read were repetitive and boring, but how is he to know that?On June 10 2024 03:34 AlphaZero wrote:
This is mafia claim number 3 from Scott. In case you all were not aware.
Just to be clear, the reason is that scott31337 didn't want to post his reasoning because it could make him the night kill?
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Gotcha, thanks AlphaZero, just wanted to make sure I am looking at the same thing as you.
@raynpelikoneet, nothing was confusing or unclear, I'm not sure what you mean? I said it was funny and I said that it was surprising, that's different from confusing or unclear?
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@Raynpelikoneet, I think without reading that portion of the thread, especially the last 10 pages before the deadline, it's tough to understand. So many people weren't present that nothing was going to happen. I wouldn't attribute it to AlphaZero and marvellosity at all, there's simply no convincing someone who isn't there to hear you.
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I think die_meatbaby is looking pretty bad, I was going to not say anything and wait for a more slam-dunk case before risking a reaction but if she's going to not say anything, I'm going to get impatient. Absolutely need to consider lynching die_meatbaby tomorrow.
I think Vivax is starting to look worse and worse. The defense of die_meatbaby is quite poor, and I absolutely think they can be mafia together here. That said, tbh I don't respect the reads they have on each other in general, but that's a different story
But Vivax saying he thinks scott31337 is mafia and then says stuff like this and this and this and this. Doesn't make sense. If Vivax thinks scott31337 is mafia then he should be working to get scott31337 lynched, not preparing for him to not get lynched or saying what scott31337 being town means?
Also definitely need to consider lynching Vivax tomorrow.
Honestly, die_meatbaby, Vivax, and sandroba come across as way more suspicious than everyone else.
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