EPTWhat I mean is, if AZ is in fact smart sneaky mafia (not something I am thinking at this point), it can be better to sit on your feelings to see if they continue in the same vein. If you call it out straight away they can change their behaviour
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
What I mean is, if AZ is in fact smart sneaky mafia (not something I am thinking at this point), it can be better to sit on your feelings to see if they continue in the same vein. If you call it out straight away they can change their behaviour | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
Also, counter question for you - why would scum marv? | ||
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Vivax
22143 Posts
On June 09 2024 11:54 marvellosity wrote: ??? No it wouldn’t, but it’s not the current world view I am exploring It looked a bit like she was burying me whenI pointed out that Scott thought that a AZ scumread should almost be a dogma. She didn‘t mind either. If Scott gave up on pushing him at least he should be equally strong on his counterwagon but in practice he‘ll be biases on the CW no matter his alignment. I‘m more wary of another category. Might talk about it another time. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On June 09 2024 11:59 Vivax wrote: It looked a bit like she was burying me whenI pointed out that Scott thought that a AZ scumread should almost be a dogma. She didn‘t mind either. If Scott gave up on pushing him at least he should be equally strong on his counterwagon but in practice he‘ll be biases on the CW no matter his alignment. I‘m more wary of another category. Might talk about it another time. I don’t really know what you’re talking about :p so yes let’s address this tomorrow/later x | ||
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Vivax
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Doesn‘t have to be a bad thing but it means we look for 2-3 outside of him. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
What? | ||
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die_meatbaby
Colombia1344 Posts
On June 09 2024 12:07 Vivax wrote: Scott is never going to get lynched on D2, and he isn‘t going to get vigged either. Going by experience. Doesn‘t have to be a bad thing but it means we look for 2-3 outside of him. how about giving a look on ninja rayn or az | ||
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die_meatbaby
Colombia1344 Posts
why are you not getting nk? Are you mafia? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On June 09 2024 11:58 marvellosity wrote: Also, counter question for you - why would scum marv? Would love an answer to this Scott | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
can you please respond to the following which is why i voted you maybe you were looking for mosata and didnt see? ;P #1 = Scott’s reads haven’t changed and he hasn’t looked any better. + Show Spoiler + On June 09 2024 08:45 Vivax wrote: What I like about scott is that he seemed pretty genuine as of late. He isn‘t really trying every trick in the book to keep himself afloat just doing his thing. Kelsier might have given up as either alignment. On June 09 2024 08:47 Mocsta wrote: town can also not want to be mislynched.. is this 'effort'notion a scott meta thing? On June 09 2024 08:58 rsoultin wrote:at the risk of answering for viva if scum's gonna keep posting they want to either 1) try to get the lynch off them 2) shit up the thread or they just roll over i guess there's the third option of trying to get more attention so it's off a scummate if you've got two scum up for lynch? i wouldn't say that's what scott's posting looks like. guy's been scumread from minute 1 and still is just bebopping around On June 09 2024 08:59 Mocsta wrote: salient notion alphazero - where does that sit with you? On June 09 2024 09:04 AlphaZero wrote: Well he is trying to survive, to me he just continues to exhibit the traits that o find scummy and I outlined above. Says things and can’t provide foundations or reasoning that can really be taken seriously. We can even contrast that with your own play, you have looked substantially more town aligned the more you interacted and explained thought processes and your reads have changed and grown as that has happened. Scott’s reads haven’t changed and he hasn’t looked any better. That is classic mafia trait imo. On June 09 2024 09:12 Mocsta wrote: i buy into this... there is an effort to convey he is up to date, and sufficiently active; yet this outcome in bold still holds. rsoultin or anyone else.. would you agree that reads are mostly the same throughout entire d1 for scott? #2 = so my interaction with az/mocsta i believe should be significant to his world view - yet its not. + Show Spoiler + On June 09 2024 09:18 Mocsta wrote: one underlying issue i have with scott is that when he was getting heat and i backed him, he made some posts that soft buddied to me.. which i thought was completely reasonable if town. my issue therefore is that, as my read with AZ has shifted and evolved, hes not paid attention (publicly at least) to it.. no comments or impact on scotts AZ read is very weird to me. now scott says hes completely up to date, so its been read, and apparently not relevant - so again. i find this super super weird and struggling to identify how town would do that. On June 09 2024 09:45 Mocsta wrote: [..] tbc, i am not saying scott should townread az because i changed my read. im saying his relation to me should be significant to create a re-evaluation point, like wtf just happened. On June 09 2024 09:50 rsoultin wrote: idk i don't think it's necessarily alignment indicative to not reconsider the person pushing their lynch when others townread them, at least not in a vacuum, unless you have reason to believe that scott in particular would do this as town and not scum? On June 09 2024 10:01 Mocsta wrote: pay attention to this summary post.. in his world view: 1. i am town 2. kelsier scum read has relation to me 3. sandroba scum read has extesion to kelsier which extends to me 4. az scum read has relation to me 5. other scum reads are policy: no activity in short. i matter so my interaction with az/mocsta i believe should be significant to his world view - yet its not. to re-inforce: who else does he ask this to? answer no one.. i matter in his world view | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On June 09 2024 12:09 die_meatbaby wrote: why are you not getting nk? Are you mafia? Yes I’m totally mafia and I just slipped that I can’t get night killed of course | ||
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Vivax
22143 Posts
On June 09 2024 12:09 die_meatbaby wrote: how about giving a look on ninja rayn or az Az lookedlike he was posting forcibly around EoD, rayn didn‘t make himself readable. Townies can have reasons to refuse to be readable. To be honest everyone has good reason to refuse to be readable. I‘d guess the masons of the day were rayn and Trfel. The flip doesn‘t automatically make Scott more scummy, if you were town in his situation you‘d understand why, so look at those who think so. | ||
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die_meatbaby
Colombia1344 Posts
On June 09 2024 12:12 Oatsmaster wrote: Yes I’m totally mafia and I just slipped that I can’t get night killed of course who are you mafia buddys? | ||
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Vivax
22143 Posts
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On June 09 2024 12:13 Vivax wrote: help me out, im being dumb dumbThe flip doesn‘t automatically make Scott more scummy, if you were town in his situation you‘d understand why, so look at those who think so. the only reason i can see is this from marv https://tl.net/forum/mafia/625928-sweet-summer-mafia?page=66#1302 like.. why cant mafia have wagoned kelsier to save scott equally? i get in marv of rsoultin, he is expecting the most likely answer is double-town wagon; yet, why cannot it not be an effort to save scott equally? | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On June 09 2024 12:17 Vivax wrote: yep, but it works both ways? useful to mafia where town or mafia now..With the Kelsier flip and if he‘s town, Scott starts becoming useful to mafia. look, i get if a question mark, then chase the other 2. This i can get behind, as long as scott remains a question mark. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On June 09 2024 12:18 Mocsta wrote: help me out, im being dumb dumb the only reason i can see is this from marv https://tl.net/forum/mafia/625928-sweet-summer-mafia?page=66#1302 like.. why cant mafia have wagoned kelsier to save scott equally? i get in marv of rsoultin, he is expecting the most likely answer is double-town wagon; yet, why cannot it not be an effort to save scott equally? It still can. It’s the critical question in fact | ||
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die_meatbaby
Colombia1344 Posts
On June 09 2024 12:17 Vivax wrote: With the Kelsier flip and if he‘s town, Scott starts becoming useful to mafia. Of course he is now usefull for mafia... still easy lynch material I am pretty sure we had t vs t lynch today. Thats a reason why he will not get nk tonight. But why do oats think that he wouldn´t get nk? | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On June 09 2024 12:22 die_meatbaby wrote: because im going to jailkeep himOf course he is now usefull for mafia... still easy lynch material I am pretty sure we had t vs t lynch today. Thats a reason why he will not get nk tonight. But why do oats think that he wouldn´t get nk? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On June 09 2024 12:22 die_meatbaby wrote: Of course he is now usefull for mafia... still easy lynch material I am pretty sure we had t vs t lynch today. Thats a reason why he will not get nk tonight. But why do oats think that he wouldn´t get nk? Why would oats think he would? Let’s not be silly. Why are you sure scott is town, DMB? | ||
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