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On March 06 2024 08:16 marvellosity wrote:
I might have to concede I shouldn’t lynch palmar here.
I still think he can be mafia. But his posts have a much better tone to them now.
The doubt may make it a bad lynch.
... could you be more vague?
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On March 06 2024 08:18 JacobStrangelove wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 08:17 justanothertownie wrote:On March 06 2024 08:16 marvellosity wrote:
I might have to concede I shouldn’t lynch palmar here.
I still think he can be mafia. But his posts have a much better tone to them now.
The doubt may make it a bad lynch. ... could you be more vague? At this point a palmer Lynch is kinda like a cop lynch. Looking back cop has a massive filter which I only see as a good thing.
Yeah, but it is forced filter length due to being under pressure.
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Marv, shall I leave my vote on Palmar or are you coming around on him? In that case I will vote Trfel out of self-preservation and call it a day. I have to work early tomorrow.
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On March 06 2024 16:48 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 16:44 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 16:43 marvellosity wrote:
Sigh. I’m just perpetually behind and I’m just tired from getting less sleep for 2 nights
This game is too big for little old me. I remember why I used to only join minis now Yes. I’m mostly slightly annoyed about Hapa. He was probably always going to flip town so we lost one of our biggest advantages in having an extra kill.
Yes, there is not a lot to draw from it but we would always have had to deal with this slot somehow. There is probably a lot to gain from the way the day went as is. I will have a detailed look after I read all of it later. If palmar is not mafia then they were coasting thougn.
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Unless you want to tell me that Hapa would not do this as mafia which I think would be hard to believe.
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On March 06 2024 18:12 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 11:08 sandroba wrote:On March 06 2024 10:51 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 10:48 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 10:44 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 10:36 DarthPunk wrote:Especially when she is joining my wagon  I don´t really saw you making a wagon. It´s more like somebody kinda says that that person looks scummy and just tried to push a wagon on it or a lynch or whatever. Does´t really seem like you searching for actual mafia here just for a reasonable town lynch where you can say; before I started the wagon there where other people thinking the same. I was not alone.. blablabla.... Just already disapointed of you in this game. You big filter doesn´t make you direkty activ Town... This is a scumslip word nr.4 today. Thank you  love to improve my english Maybe just tired and annoyed about stupid people here. Either wagons are not a good D1 lynch Like is this for real? Annoyed at stupid people when she does not have a better lynch and isn't even saying she is confident the wagons are town? DMB looks bad based on her attitude towards the wagons at EOD Dripping in tmi
Can you explain in more detail? The post looks fine to me in a vacuum. I mean I obviously did not read the rest yet and I might be biased.
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I think it makes sense for me to have a look at the vote motivations on the wagons since I have a somewhat unique position knowing both main wagons were on town. Starting with my own for now:
Palmar:
He really just started pushing me after the wagon on him had already formed in an OMGUS kind of way. Its particularly terrible since he is doing it despite it going against his own principles.
On March 05 2024 23:13 Palmar wrote:JAT looks pretty bad. He has said pretty much nothing about me except that comment about not agreeing with my logic on how Vivax needs to be treated, which isn't alignment indicative. And he's trying to kill me. And his filter is shorter than mine so he can't even claim lurker lynch
Is that a mafia way of pushing Palmar? Not having any reasons? I don't think so. Palmar has also always been a big supporter of people being able to sheep when appropriate. And knowing the history of Palmar/marv and how good marv track record on reading him is this sheep was 100 % warranted. Palmar knows that so he is either being terrible - which is unfortunately not entirely out of the question - or just mafia.
I also don't like the very exaggerated buddying attempts towards Sandro.
On March 05 2024 23:21 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 23:19 sandroba wrote:
I missed palmar last burst while posting, jat overtook his spot as most scummy by a long shot. I'm actually pretty fucking confident JAT is mafia. You son of a bitch I'm in. You don't know how happy it made me to press post on that short "jat looks bad" post only to see it right beneath you calling him mafia.
On March 05 2024 23:25 Palmar wrote:
Btw I'm like 90% certain sandroba is town now.
People don't do this as mafia. He just dropped a post saying I look worse and worse, and then changes his mind like 5 minutes later.
It's really hard to come out of an aggressive tunnel like that as mafia, because you kinda have to force yourself to attack someone and when you've spent effort in making an attack on someone you know is town, it's super hard to just throw it away when new evidence presents itself.
ergo, I think sandroba is town, and he is now my captain.
All of this just because he posted a read at a similar time. I could somewhat buy this if they came up with the exact same reason but its just that they both thought I was mafia. That's nothing.
Basically Palmars reasoning boils down to "wants to lynch me without reasons" which in my opinion is not congruent with his usual mindset as town. I think a town Palmar would stop and ask himself why mafia would just openly go after him "without reasons" - it is not a good look, right? And I can only repeat that I actually had a very good reason to be on his wagon. Which he knows.
Apart from that he basically only started playing when the pressure was on. I will admit that this is not alignment indicative on its own but the way he was forced to go after marv and immediately dropped it when marv showed signs of relenting does not sit well with me.
More later.
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On March 06 2024 10:26 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 10:03 iamperfection wrote:On March 06 2024 10:00 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 01:19 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 01:16 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 01:05 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 05 2024 20:02 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 19:41 Palmar wrote:So I'm going to talk about a few people now. Consider this just rambling thoughts about the thread that I'm absolutely not going to read in full. Probably gonna do this in a few parts so my reads might evolve from now until I've done the last people I want to talk about. OatsmasterBoth initially, and currently, the reason he's my tentative #1 lynch target is based on exactly one thing, this: On March 04 2024 12:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
I’m running for mayor Go find that post in his filter, then read the following maybe... 20 posts? I don't think there is a single one of them where he is actually pushing to get himself elected as mayor. Ironically he scolded someone else for doing that same thing. On March 04 2024 12:39 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 DarthPunk wrote:
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I don't think pushing for it actually does anything. You don’t seem to even want to be mayor There really isn't much else to it. The case is simply "He said he wanted to be mayor but then none of his posting seems to point towards him actually wanting to be mayor". It's far from lock scum case, it's mostly just a bad play regardless of alignment, but it's... maybe easier to explain as an attempt to do something bold as mafia. I'm gonna read more before I plant a vote or anything. VisceraEyesPart of me just wants him to be town because I'm happy VE is playing, so I admit it may be an overreaching town read. But it's mostly a tone read. He seems to be happy to be playing the game. He said he wanted mayor and actually made a few follow up posts complaining no one was voting for him. Also this isn't even alignment indicative but it's super good. On March 05 2024 11:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
People saying unccd in a semi open setup is making my eyes roll so hard they're doing back flips. God I've never wished I was Mafia more in a game. I have zero interest in lynching VE today. DMBSo I haven't really read anything of hers but I just wanted to make this point. On March 05 2024 06:18 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 06:13 Palmar wrote:
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It's 8am in Iceland right now, what are you talking about? Iceland has 1 or 2 hours time difference than Austria. It is not possible. You come here and directly start to lie?? It should be 9:18 or 8 :18 PM She confuses me so much. I make something that's an obvious joke, and she jumps on it? Why? My gut is "well that's stupid and townies do stupid shit". But my meta is that she's perfectly willing to do stupid shit as mafia from last game. She does get townie points for completely forgetting I exist in her list post though. But yeah, I don't actually have a read on her, it's just something I noticed. Sorry for not having you in my list post. You had like one page on you Filter. You came in the game after like 60 Pages or something. You posted some good one liners that i actually liked. Especially that one that either people should vote Vivax for mayjor or for lynch. That one made think a litte bit about the other players here. I understand that people think the claim is a scum move but why do they not lynch him when they are not voting him as mayjor either?Still it was to less posting from you to make any kind of opinions on your aligment. I can just say I was not suspicious about your few posts just kinda liked them. Atm you are more likely Town for me, but beware, this can change quickly Out of all the posts in the past like 12 hours DMB chooses this one to respond to, fence sits and doesn’t apply any of the bolded section to her list post earlier so where does that thinking even come out? Normaly i have day off, but somebody is sick and I had to come in fast. Didn't have much time to read. Btw list Was requested by rels. No answer from him atm So what have you learned from the bolded section? I have already used a translator 3 times, which means I have learnt 3 new words in English But for real I think the lynch is goeing in a wrong direction so what are you going to do? I don´t know, but I will not vote for Trfl right now. I don´t see any majorly scum shit at his filter. He plays like in the last game and he was actually doeing amzing as Town last game. So I would not like to loss him if he is Town. Actually I would like to vote on DP because he seems more scummy for me in this game, but that would be a usless vote... Vote: Justanothertownie
Says would like to vote DP, votes me instead. Apparently only because she likes Trfel more, which is somewhat fair.
On March 06 2024 10:59 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 10:53 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 10:51 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 10:50 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 10:49 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 10:48 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 10:44 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 10:36 DarthPunk wrote:Especially when she is joining my wagon I don´t really saw you making a wagon. It´s more like somebody kinda says that that person looks scummy and just tried to push a wagon on it or a lynch or whatever. Does´t really seem like you searching for actual mafia here just for a reasonable town lynch where you can say; before I started the wagon there where other people thinking the same. I was not alone.. blablabla.... Just already disapointed of you in this game. You big filter doesn´t make you direkty activ Town... This is a scumslip I don't see it. Reasonable town lynch ie jat is town Is that a stretch though, could be ESL What’s the difficulty? She’s callling the lynch town AND shes on it Can you read? I didn´t say JAT is Town i just said I am not happy with both wagons. Should I waste my vote. Did it in my first game. OPEN YOU EYES AND READ CORRECTLY PLS
It is bad. Really bad even. But I don't think it is scummy. Last game she was very happy just antagonizing and fighting with town palmar. I would imagine she would just do the same here with dp since if she is mafia at this point the wagons are TvT and she does not need to care about them.
She is pushed later on and this is a very normal & believable reaction to Oats antics in my opinion:
On March 06 2024 12:22 die_meatbaby wrote:If this is town pls mafia pls nk him. He annoys me more then Palmars ego
Whatever it is you are seeing marv - I dont really get it. If she had tmi why not go for dp and let town keep destroying itself. I do believe it is likely that she just didnt want Trfel to get lynched.
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On March 06 2024 19:52 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 16:16 JacobStrangelove wrote:The case for Koshi. So I just decided to filter Koshi because he seems to be the very town seeming lynch pin holding the somewhat suspicious town group (MZ/CC in the corner together and very first page of his filter he scum slips hard and nobody notices. On March 05 2024 04:07 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 02:35 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote:
I’m currently not looking outside my mason partners for mayor. Sandro is scummy though He’s townie. He has pursued me in the chat in a very townie way. Also this is dumb. Good info for when you flip town. But now all this is dumb. Whisperer mafia only need to fight 1 townie. While if he posts in the thread he needs to fight 16. Mason stuff is useless. Keep it to yourselves. WHEN MARV FLIPS TOWN HEY? WHEN MARV FLIPS TOWN?? Not if Marv flips town when, how do you know Marv’s alignment huh Koshi? On March 04 2024 22:17 Koshi wrote:
I wanted to be mafia this game. Or wouldnt have mind.
But town is also fine.
I am going to play normal this game. So I would make a good mayor. Because I will be lock town. Also this type of post always rubs me the wrong way, Oh I’m not mafia tee hee. No pointless bad. Not even a funny “Oh I’m not mafia” just a generic oh damn guys I’m not mafia oh well straight to asking for Mayor. On March 05 2024 01:12 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 01:09 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 01:06 Koshi wrote:
I am gonna battle rayn. You don't think he is likely town? I havent read anything yet from before I first posted. Masoning marv is leaning town. Marv gets good rep, marv isnt saying rayn is mafia. So probably I will have to battle town rayn. That's ok. I will battle him with scumreads. Also early is convinced Rayn is town lack of doubt here is concerning. On March 05 2024 04:38 Koshi wrote:On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
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Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started.
Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before.
Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no? And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc. You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea. If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds. Second wagon is often a townie as well. Mafia waits till town suggest a second town wagon and then sits on those 2 wagons. Then town vigis or kills second wagon as is tradition. I still think it is protown to want to give town 2 lynches, as it always provides information. But don't use the wrong reasons. This is frankly just semantic game state posting. Keep in mind Koshi entered the thread fairly late (simply due to timezones) there’s a lot to go off and this is what the focus is not scum hunting. On March 05 2024 04:47 Koshi wrote:I wrote this; decided not to post yet to see follow up On March 04 2024 12:51 die_meatbaby wrote:
So the game started not even an hour ago and people making here already Townreads. How is this possible. I would never give somebody a townread this early.
And how are we supposed to choose a mayor who should be town so early in the game Don't like this because it breaks the flow of the recent good posts made by iamps & DP See this: On March 04 2024 12:52 iamperfection wrote:On March 04 2024 12:51 die_meatbaby wrote:
So the game started not even an hour ago and people making here already Townreads. How is this possible. I would never give somebody a townread this early.
And how are we supposed to choose a mayor who should be town so early in the game upset that town are making town reads? In addition I like how iamp handled Oats. With humor and progression in reading Oats. And I liked how iamp tried to steer away town from retardation around theorycrafting the second wagon. So iamp lock town till D3 BUT OH BOY WE GOT IAMP RAY AND MARV ALL TOWN LOCKED IN THE FIRST PAGE THIS MAN’S PSYCHIC! On March 05 2024 05:08 Koshi wrote:On March 04 2024 13:51 iamperfection wrote:On March 04 2024 13:49 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 13:48 iamperfection wrote:On March 04 2024 13:46 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 13:39 iamperfection wrote:On March 04 2024 13:36 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 13:36 iamperfection wrote:
dp being obtuse and ignoring me is extremely suspicious imo I literally just replied to you, and I am being super smart, not obtuse. Just FYI. i dont think your being smart at all. its a non post imo. You trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill is very suspicious. Why do you think its a non-post? because its basically just banter. Disagree. But DMB looks better since then so I don't really care anymore. excuse me. What has dmb done better. You were winning this entire chain till that last line from iamp. Did you answer DP? And with winning I mean looking pretty townie. man Dp’s also town everyone is town in Koshi land, Please like me guys I’m calling you all town. This said I will point out at this point they do go into a scum read on meatbaby for sowing distrust. Then goes in on TTS but I mean kinda everyone did even if TTS is scum I would bus them so hard if I was on a mafia team with them. On March 05 2024 05:29 Koshi wrote:On March 04 2024 12:40 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:
[quote]Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc. You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea. If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds. There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works. The problem with this entire conversation is that Tfrel looks smart and MZ bad. But it is the only thing Tfrel does in this entire timespan. Look smart. But he isn't doing anything that helps town find mafia. I don't like it at all. Then he also thinks Tfrel looks smart but isn’t being helpful. Which isn’t overly suspicious but good to note with the lynch result. On March 05 2024 23:51 Koshi wrote:
Ok let's shoot hapa with Vivax shot. I mean not wrong but an easy call to make as mafia if you know they are town. Okay I’ll be honest I got bored and the case kinda fell off but I see you just entered the thread Koshi. Mostly I’m concerned with the first part. On March 05 2024 04:07 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 02:35 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote:
I’m currently not looking outside my mason partners for mayor. Sandro is scummy though He’s townie. He has pursued me in the chat in a very townie way. Also this is dumb. Good info for when you flip town. But now all this is dumb. Whisperer mafia only need to fight 1 townie. While if he posts in the thread he needs to fight 16. Mason stuff is useless. Keep it to yourselves. Scum Slip Koshi? What’s happening here? I think Koshi meant here that he didnt care for the wishperers/mason chats and he has had Marv as town. So when Marv dies then the whisperers chat will have relevance to him. It is not a slip.
It definitely isn't. That is a really stupid take tbh.
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On March 06 2024 20:41 JacobStrangelove wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 19:54 justanothertownie wrote:On March 06 2024 19:52 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 16:16 JacobStrangelove wrote:The case for Koshi. So I just decided to filter Koshi because he seems to be the very town seeming lynch pin holding the somewhat suspicious town group (MZ/CC in the corner together and very first page of his filter he scum slips hard and nobody notices. On March 05 2024 04:07 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 02:35 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote:
I’m currently not looking outside my mason partners for mayor. Sandro is scummy though He’s townie. He has pursued me in the chat in a very townie way. Also this is dumb. Good info for when you flip town. But now all this is dumb. Whisperer mafia only need to fight 1 townie. While if he posts in the thread he needs to fight 16. Mason stuff is useless. Keep it to yourselves. WHEN MARV FLIPS TOWN HEY? WHEN MARV FLIPS TOWN?? Not if Marv flips town when, how do you know Marv’s alignment huh Koshi? On March 04 2024 22:17 Koshi wrote:
I wanted to be mafia this game. Or wouldnt have mind.
But town is also fine.
I am going to play normal this game. So I would make a good mayor. Because I will be lock town. Also this type of post always rubs me the wrong way, Oh I’m not mafia tee hee. No pointless bad. Not even a funny “Oh I’m not mafia” just a generic oh damn guys I’m not mafia oh well straight to asking for Mayor. On March 05 2024 01:12 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 01:09 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 01:06 Koshi wrote:
I am gonna battle rayn. You don't think he is likely town? I havent read anything yet from before I first posted. Masoning marv is leaning town. Marv gets good rep, marv isnt saying rayn is mafia. So probably I will have to battle town rayn. That's ok. I will battle him with scumreads. Also early is convinced Rayn is town lack of doubt here is concerning. On March 05 2024 04:38 Koshi wrote:On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
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I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind.
Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1.
Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc. You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea. If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds. Second wagon is often a townie as well. Mafia waits till town suggest a second town wagon and then sits on those 2 wagons. Then town vigis or kills second wagon as is tradition. I still think it is protown to want to give town 2 lynches, as it always provides information. But don't use the wrong reasons. This is frankly just semantic game state posting. Keep in mind Koshi entered the thread fairly late (simply due to timezones) there’s a lot to go off and this is what the focus is not scum hunting. On March 05 2024 04:47 Koshi wrote:I wrote this; decided not to post yet to see follow up On March 04 2024 12:51 die_meatbaby wrote:
So the game started not even an hour ago and people making here already Townreads. How is this possible. I would never give somebody a townread this early.
And how are we supposed to choose a mayor who should be town so early in the game Don't like this because it breaks the flow of the recent good posts made by iamps & DP See this: On March 04 2024 12:52 iamperfection wrote:On March 04 2024 12:51 die_meatbaby wrote:
So the game started not even an hour ago and people making here already Townreads. How is this possible. I would never give somebody a townread this early.
And how are we supposed to choose a mayor who should be town so early in the game upset that town are making town reads? In addition I like how iamp handled Oats. With humor and progression in reading Oats. And I liked how iamp tried to steer away town from retardation around theorycrafting the second wagon. So iamp lock town till D3 BUT OH BOY WE GOT IAMP RAY AND MARV ALL TOWN LOCKED IN THE FIRST PAGE THIS MAN’S PSYCHIC! On March 05 2024 05:08 Koshi wrote:On March 04 2024 13:51 iamperfection wrote:On March 04 2024 13:49 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 13:48 iamperfection wrote:On March 04 2024 13:46 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 13:39 iamperfection wrote:
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i dont think your being smart at all. its a non post imo. You trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill is very suspicious. Why do you think its a non-post? because its basically just banter. Disagree. But DMB looks better since then so I don't really care anymore. excuse me. What has dmb done better. You were winning this entire chain till that last line from iamp. Did you answer DP? And with winning I mean looking pretty townie. man Dp’s also town everyone is town in Koshi land, Please like me guys I’m calling you all town. This said I will point out at this point they do go into a scum read on meatbaby for sowing distrust. Then goes in on TTS but I mean kinda everyone did even if TTS is scum I would bus them so hard if I was on a mafia team with them. On March 05 2024 05:29 Koshi wrote:On March 04 2024 12:40 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:
[quote]I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc. You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea. If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds. There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works. The problem with this entire conversation is that Tfrel looks smart and MZ bad. But it is the only thing Tfrel does in this entire timespan. Look smart. But he isn't doing anything that helps town find mafia. I don't like it at all. Then he also thinks Tfrel looks smart but isn’t being helpful. Which isn’t overly suspicious but good to note with the lynch result. On March 05 2024 23:51 Koshi wrote:
Ok let's shoot hapa with Vivax shot. I mean not wrong but an easy call to make as mafia if you know they are town. Okay I’ll be honest I got bored and the case kinda fell off but I see you just entered the thread Koshi. Mostly I’m concerned with the first part. On March 05 2024 04:07 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 02:35 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote:
I’m currently not looking outside my mason partners for mayor. Sandro is scummy though He’s townie. He has pursued me in the chat in a very townie way. Also this is dumb. Good info for when you flip town. But now all this is dumb. Whisperer mafia only need to fight 1 townie. While if he posts in the thread he needs to fight 16. Mason stuff is useless. Keep it to yourselves. Scum Slip Koshi? What’s happening here? I think Koshi meant here that he didnt care for the wishperers/mason chats and he has had Marv as town. So when Marv dies then the whisperers chat will have relevance to him. It is not a slip. It definitely isn't. That is a really stupid take tbh. My take or cops take? Because anyone who can't see my take is instantly more suspicious.
Your take.
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On March 06 2024 20:54 JacobStrangelove wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 20:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2024 20:41 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 06 2024 19:54 justanothertownie wrote:On March 06 2024 19:52 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 16:16 JacobStrangelove wrote:The case for Koshi. So I just decided to filter Koshi because he seems to be the very town seeming lynch pin holding the somewhat suspicious town group (MZ/CC in the corner together and very first page of his filter he scum slips hard and nobody notices. On March 05 2024 04:07 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 02:35 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 Vivax wrote:
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Sandro is scummy though He’s townie. He has pursued me in the chat in a very townie way. Also this is dumb. Good info for when you flip town. But now all this is dumb. Whisperer mafia only need to fight 1 townie. While if he posts in the thread he needs to fight 16. Mason stuff is useless. Keep it to yourselves. WHEN MARV FLIPS TOWN HEY? WHEN MARV FLIPS TOWN?? Not if Marv flips town when, how do you know Marv’s alignment huh Koshi? On March 04 2024 22:17 Koshi wrote:
I wanted to be mafia this game. Or wouldnt have mind.
But town is also fine.
I am going to play normal this game. So I would make a good mayor. Because I will be lock town. Also this type of post always rubs me the wrong way, Oh I’m not mafia tee hee. No pointless bad. Not even a funny “Oh I’m not mafia” just a generic oh damn guys I’m not mafia oh well straight to asking for Mayor. On March 05 2024 01:12 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 01:09 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 01:06 Koshi wrote:
I am gonna battle rayn. You don't think he is likely town? I havent read anything yet from before I first posted. Masoning marv is leaning town. Marv gets good rep, marv isnt saying rayn is mafia. So probably I will have to battle town rayn. That's ok. I will battle him with scumreads. Also early is convinced Rayn is town lack of doubt here is concerning. On March 05 2024 04:38 Koshi wrote:On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
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That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc. You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea. If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds. Second wagon is often a townie as well. Mafia waits till town suggest a second town wagon and then sits on those 2 wagons. Then town vigis or kills second wagon as is tradition. I still think it is protown to want to give town 2 lynches, as it always provides information. But don't use the wrong reasons. This is frankly just semantic game state posting. Keep in mind Koshi entered the thread fairly late (simply due to timezones) there’s a lot to go off and this is what the focus is not scum hunting. On March 05 2024 04:47 Koshi wrote:I wrote this; decided not to post yet to see follow up On March 04 2024 12:51 die_meatbaby wrote:
So the game started not even an hour ago and people making here already Townreads. How is this possible. I would never give somebody a townread this early.
And how are we supposed to choose a mayor who should be town so early in the game Don't like this because it breaks the flow of the recent good posts made by iamps & DP See this: On March 04 2024 12:52 iamperfection wrote:On March 04 2024 12:51 die_meatbaby wrote:
So the game started not even an hour ago and people making here already Townreads. How is this possible. I would never give somebody a townread this early.
And how are we supposed to choose a mayor who should be town so early in the game upset that town are making town reads? In addition I like how iamp handled Oats. With humor and progression in reading Oats. And I liked how iamp tried to steer away town from retardation around theorycrafting the second wagon. So iamp lock town till D3 BUT OH BOY WE GOT IAMP RAY AND MARV ALL TOWN LOCKED IN THE FIRST PAGE THIS MAN’S PSYCHIC! On March 05 2024 05:08 Koshi wrote:On March 04 2024 13:51 iamperfection wrote:On March 04 2024 13:49 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 13:48 iamperfection wrote:
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because its basically just banter. Disagree. But DMB looks better since then so I don't really care anymore. excuse me. What has dmb done better. You were winning this entire chain till that last line from iamp. Did you answer DP? And with winning I mean looking pretty townie. man Dp’s also town everyone is town in Koshi land, Please like me guys I’m calling you all town. This said I will point out at this point they do go into a scum read on meatbaby for sowing distrust. Then goes in on TTS but I mean kinda everyone did even if TTS is scum I would bus them so hard if I was on a mafia team with them. On March 05 2024 05:29 Koshi wrote:On March 04 2024 12:40 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote:
[quote]You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea. If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds. There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works. The problem with this entire conversation is that Tfrel looks smart and MZ bad. But it is the only thing Tfrel does in this entire timespan. Look smart. But he isn't doing anything that helps town find mafia. I don't like it at all. Then he also thinks Tfrel looks smart but isn’t being helpful. Which isn’t overly suspicious but good to note with the lynch result. On March 05 2024 23:51 Koshi wrote:
Ok let's shoot hapa with Vivax shot. I mean not wrong but an easy call to make as mafia if you know they are town. Okay I’ll be honest I got bored and the case kinda fell off but I see you just entered the thread Koshi. Mostly I’m concerned with the first part. On March 05 2024 04:07 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 02:35 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 Vivax wrote:
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Sandro is scummy though He’s townie. He has pursued me in the chat in a very townie way. Also this is dumb. Good info for when you flip town. But now all this is dumb. Whisperer mafia only need to fight 1 townie. While if he posts in the thread he needs to fight 16. Mason stuff is useless. Keep it to yourselves. Scum Slip Koshi? What’s happening here? I think Koshi meant here that he didnt care for the wishperers/mason chats and he has had Marv as town. So when Marv dies then the whisperers chat will have relevance to him. It is not a slip. It definitely isn't. That is a really stupid take tbh. My take or cops take? Because anyone who can't see my take is instantly more suspicious. your Do you also think it's wrong? Like just because it's me posting take a step back, it's the most basic of scum slips it's probably the only solid piece of evidence in the thread?
There is always someone who claims such a thing is a scumslip and it never is.
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On March 06 2024 20:56 DarthPunk wrote:
I was just reading before bed but I want to chime in here and say that Jake’s case on koshi says more about Jake’s alignment than koshis.
I don’t see him doing that as mafia at all.
Anyway goodnight.
I don't know about that. In my experience mafia really likes to latch onto these kind of things. Reserving judgment for now.
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On March 06 2024 21:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 21:01 justanothertownie wrote:On March 06 2024 20:56 DarthPunk wrote:
I was just reading before bed but I want to chime in here and say that Jake’s case on koshi says more about Jake’s alignment than koshis.
I don’t see him doing that as mafia at all.
Anyway goodnight. I don't know about that. In my experience mafia really likes to latch onto these kind of things. Reserving judgment for now. DP agreeing with that is far more worrisome. It's simply just how koshi posts.
True.
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Rels:
On March 06 2024 08:53 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 08:49 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 08:49 Rels wrote:On March 06 2024 08:45 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 08:38 Rels wrote:
If Palmar was the leading wagon or counterwagon to him at the time, I don't see the issue? I can relate to not having the time It's a stark difference to his level last game. He posted a bit at the start of the game, got town read and noped out. But hey, you can vote Jat with me if you want instead, or propose something else. Will try to filter JAT before I have to go I mean you could just go LOL I really have a hard time understanding this: Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 08:30 Rels wrote:
"I really, really, really don't think marv just tries to kill me without even talking about it." => then 1 hour later "Wait you still think I'm mafia?"
????? I don't know if there is any explanation you could give that would satisfy me, but, maybe try?
He seems very very sure about Palmar being mafia. So that is fine as long as the wagon had steam. After it died town we see this:
On March 06 2024 09:02 Rels wrote:
Finished reading JAT's filter, DP anything what was the thing(s) you saw that was not smart? I thought it was pretty empty for sure, didn't see any red flag though.
On March 06 2024 09:08 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 20:59 justanothertownie wrote:
Apparently people are dead set on making Vivax mayor. They cannot all be mafia even though I would bet a lot of money that mafia is on board.
The logic apparently being Vivax wouldn't make such a bad play as mafia. The disconnect here is that he did the bad play regardless of his alignment but for some reason only town can be bad in people's minds. I disagree with that but I really don't know what to do about it except for complaining and offering a better alternative which is koshi right now. What am I supposed to do in your opinion, rayn? Yeah I guess this post from the sandroba case is pretty lackluster
Does not seem very strong either way. So I am not entirely sure how we arrive at this:
On March 06 2024 09:10 Rels wrote:
Gotta go. I would say out of the options I have, my preference would be Palmar > JAT > random lurker (out of those, I still think TTS has the highest chance of flipping scum)
Still think Trfel is town, I would prefer any random lurker over him
But that is finde. What is not fine is that he isn't bothered at all that he is pushing for the same lynch as his top scumread Palmar. So, do we believe Rels just throws all of his conviction out of the window to vote me with his one scumread based on a townread that is at best "weak"?
On March 06 2024 08:46 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 21:30 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 11:13 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 10:58 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote:
I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible.
There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia. Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie. The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake. I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example Are you still lock town on trfel btw? Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me. I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him. This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible. The posts that made me think Trfel was townie at the beginning of the game, he showed some conviction: Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 13:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 13:11 DarthPunk wrote:
MZ could be mafia here.
That associative push with me/vivax is really out there. And usually I am the one defending him from being misylnched by all the bads. Sorry I keep doing this, but why do you think that makes Meapak_Ziphh mafia? I don't see why that reasoning is more likely to come from mafia, if anything I think it's the opposite. Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 13:20 Trfel wrote:
I'm actually going to double down and say that I think Meapak_Ziphh is town. Thus, I'm very surprised that he seems to be your top scumread, DarthPunk. Looking at the Slam question on Oats, it's this right? Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:34 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 04:32 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 04:24 Rels wrote:Look at this way of phrasing things, having to come with justification just for his vote
But yes, I am gonna vote my weak scumread because if a wagon starts then I could use the way other players engage with it to start having more reads.
Am I the only one seeing this or what? Honestly it feels a bit weak to me. But he's posted so little it's just hard to say. @Alakaslam, that wasn't really how I would characterise Oatsmaster's play, but I suppose it's up to interpretation. So how do you? He just asks "why do you say that" and however honest the reply, just says "that makes no sense" unless it's someone he respects. Partly, I can get that, but have you NEVER seen aggro scum pursue mislynch opportunities? What about Oatsmaster's play has been different from that? To me he's actually seemed to care and is involved. He truly seems interested in his approach, even if that approach is a bit different from mine, it makes me think he is trying to figure out the game. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:47 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 04:38 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:34 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 04:32 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 04:24 Rels wrote:Look at this way of phrasing things, having to come with justification just for his vote
But yes, I am gonna vote my weak scumread because if a wagon starts then I could use the way other players engage with it to start having more reads.
Am I the only one seeing this or what? Honestly it feels a bit weak to me. But he's posted so little it's just hard to say. @Alakaslam, that wasn't really how I would characterise Oatsmaster's play, but I suppose it's up to interpretation. So how do you? He just asks "why do you say that" and however honest the reply, just says "that makes no sense" unless it's someone he respects. Partly, I can get that, but have you NEVER seen aggro scum pursue mislynch opportunities? What about Oatsmaster's play has been different from that? To me he's actually seemed to care and is involved. He truly seems interested in his approach, even if that approach is a bit different from mine, it makes me think he is trying to figure out the game. Caring about what exactly? Because if he cares to find actual scum, this pursuit of perfection doesn't seem to be a surefire way to me. He was not far from lynching our cop, for example, for being a bit logically inconsistent- in Oatsmaster's mind. I think Oats may suffer from some difficulty with theory of mind if he is town here, which I could relate to. In which case I would go right back from a growing SR to a TR. I'm not confident enough in my read to be interested in defending Oatsmaster here, it's just the impression I got from his posts, which could be wrong. I will say though that whether or not his play is helpful doesn't matter as much as whether or not he truly thinks it is helpful. I guess it's pretty weak conviction yeah. Don't think it's enough by itself to make him scumread him, let alone be my preferred lynch right now.
No issue at all it seems. Leads me to think between Rels and Palmar there is at least 1 mafia.
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Meapak:
Spoiler: The worst one yet.
On March 06 2024 09:09 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 08:59 marvellosity wrote:On March 06 2024 08:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I just finished debriefing, I'm still at work and can't catch up on 600 posts. Can a couple of people please summarize what's happened? Palmar mafia, palmar maybe not mafia. Jat and Trfel maybe mafia Marv looking sexy in Speedos Breezing through the voting thread it looks like JAT and Trfel are the options, I see a couple of my town reads on Trfel but I had him as town very early on. If nobody can give me a convincing reason why JAT is town I'm probably gonna vote him as I don't recall being impressed by anything he posted up through last night. Still trying to get through shit at work but I'll check my phone until the deadline.
Weak but that is ok so far for a lazy townie.
On March 06 2024 11:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:I'm completely going off of the vibes I got from skimming the last 10 pages or so but a lot of people seem to be scumreading Trfel based on meta correct? I don't remember playing with him any time recently so I don't think pure meta is going to be enough for me on this lynch. I am going to read JAT's filter next since I'm still unsure the case on him although if I had to guess I be it boils down to being useless bc that's what I picked up last night.
Here is where it starts to get scummy. He feels the need to further justify and does it really poorly in my opinion. Not only are people not scumreading Trfel for meta reasons alone, but the only case on me (Sandro) is also pure meta.
On March 06 2024 11:51 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:This is a rough post but I am going to put my vote on JAT before I read Trfel. My problem isn't with how he responded to the vivax mayor stuff, in fact he does a better job than some people did at articulating his concerns, my problem comes with his "POE scum list" and how easily that rolled into a Trfel vote for self preservation. + Show Spoiler +I used to love post by post analysis reads but now I hate them, however given the situation this is how I’m rolling with JAT. Two piles, love or hate. Let’s read. GoodOn March 05 2024 08:03 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 07:59 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 07:58 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 07:56 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 07:51 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 07:46 DarthPunk wrote:
Does anyone know why rayn thinks I am mafia? Probably because you want to make vivax mayor. Which is insane imo we have someone who already made a terrible decision and you want to give said person more power. He probably thinks your smarter then that and concluded you must be mafia to not see that. How is he getting more power? He is just immune to night kill, if he was getting a double vote for the rest of the game that is a different story. Having our jailkeeper with night kill immunity is really fucking powerful, at worst it soaks a rb for the rest of the game, at best it is just literally broken. It puts mafia in all sorts of uncomfortable positions where they are fucked if the RB gets lynched or shot. The vig shot or whatever can be negotiated, but I don't think vivax is bad as town regardless, and he is basically confirmed town. Why would I roll the dice on anyone who is NOT confirmed town. Rayn, marv and sandro are NOT confirmed town. Lets be real here for a second. Vivax is also not confirmed town. Wrong. CC me or go away Nobody will CC you on day1 if you have fakeclaimed (if we even have a Jailkeeper in that case). Not unless it looks like you are actually being elected and even then I am unsure if that would be the correct play. This is probably the only decent counter argument to the Vivax mayor thing, even if I disagree with it, he’s at least thinking and not just going REEE bc he hate Vivax’s claim On March 06 2024 05:56 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 23:12 sandroba wrote:JAT: catches up to the thread but basically only ever comments on Koshi related stuff. A lot of his commentary is meaningless and his questions are not sharp. He apparently wants Koshi for mayor, but this is not a real position since koshi himself wants vivax and it doesn't seem like jat really wants it or thinks it's a realistic thing that will happen. It just fills up space and buddies up to koshi. On March 05 2024 20:59 justanothertownie wrote:
Apparently people are dead set on making Vivax mayor. They cannot all be mafia even though I would bet a lot of money that mafia is on board.
The logic apparently being Vivax wouldn't make such a bad play as mafia. The disconnect here is that he did the bad play regardless of his alignment but for some reason only town can be bad in people's minds. I disagree with that but I really don't know what to do about it except for complaining and offering a better alternative which is koshi right now. What am I supposed to do in your opinion, rayn? The above post is complacent and disinterested. The reasoning for Vivax possibly being mafia is very shallow analysis and very lazily written, not trying to convince anyone. JAT is solely focused on this mayor thing, he is not very involved and he is making no effort to actually find anyone that is suspicious. He is sticking to easy topics and being lazy in his comments. Even the mayor thing he doesn't care enough about to make any real contributions. He cares about nothing, yet he is still posting here pretending to engage. JAT is mafia. Is that still all you have on me, sandro? I think I explained all I have done here more than sufficiently. Unlike you, I think the mayor vote is quite important. I post the same thing to you as I did to Rayn - what am I supposed to do about it at this point? The post you quote is not disinterested or complacent. It is rather resignating/annoyed. Of course I do not have very good reasoning for Vivax being mafia - I never even called him mafia in the first place. I just don't agree that the claim makes him confirmed town or even more likely town than Koshi. I think that your characterization does not fit my play at all. I think this is a reasonable response to sandroba, I don’t think he’s right with his reasoning but I can see where he’s coming from. badOn March 05 2024 07:31 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 07:27 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 07:27 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 07:24 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 07:20 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 07:17 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 04:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:31 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:23 Vivax wrote:
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Correction: I currently think you are town. But I know I'm town. Yes but how does DMB come to conclusion that while you thinking i am town, you need to claim to have a town mayor? Because for me that seems like an insane thought process. No it's clear rationality. How do you protect the role that can't protect itself but other players? You make it mayor. They have to kill three randomly selected BGS before they can NK me. If we get the roleblocker I become a jailkeeper with medic protection. It's honestly mind boggling I have to explain. I understand your point. I really do. It just hinges on us getting the roleblocker where there is no guarantee on. Otherwise none of this matters because most likely there is nothing else to roleblock than you.... I don't usually live long as town. There is perhaps some logic to that. I am not sure if you know this but i am 11/4 in LYLO (let it be F-3, F-5, or F-7) situations. From those games, one is where i had the correct read and i just couldnt for my life convince Oats to vote for VA over me even when the mafia dude was voting for Oats (lol). One i got right but i still consider it a loss, because i think Art/rsoul slot cheated to get me townread them and DP was mafia (RSM2). So basically i am really fucking good when i live long enough. I just: 1) dont get to live long enough 2) dont have enough "decent people" around long enough Both of these can be avoided this game, (2) naturally and (1) by making me a mayor. I have never been lynched in LYLO as town, have you? Does it tell you anything about how you/me look to other people and who is more trusthworthy (if we assume we have good reads -- as i legit know you DO have good reads most of the time, later on in the game)? The only other player i would genuinely say is on par or even perhaps better than i am late game as town is marv. Who even tracks how much they are in lylo situations. 11/4 really? Is this supposed to convince anybody? In that case: In the last 5 games I have been nkilled 3 times on N1, 1 time on N2 and I was once mafia. Pretty sure my reads were okish during those 4 towngames and on top I was lock town always. So unless you guys are going to attempt to say I am potential mafia. I am a good pick. But I think I like vivax for town mayor. Let mafia waste their RB on him. We might get the RB and then have a fully protected blue role. Pretty awesome. I am not ever going to vote this shitshow mason trash marv/rayn dumbfuck thing. Not ever. I wonder what mafia thinks of a mayor that is jailkeeper tbh. Somewhat frightening for sure. If they have a RB they would be quite happy about it I assume. They are for sure not unhappy. But it HAPPENED. So what is the smartest move now? Make the shitshow rayn mayor? Or an actual blue role. Do you want our bluerole shot on N? Tbh I'd rather see Vivax die in the night than being mayor. At least if I am convinced of a good candidate. out of spite? Vivax is a very capable town player. Not out of spite. But he will not be calm/collected/respected enough to be a helpful presence I fear. Even if we believe the claim. Bad for many reasons On March 05 2024 07:50 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 07:47 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 07:46 DarthPunk wrote:
Does anyone know why rayn thinks I am mafia? The arrogance of the mason buddies knows no limit. Better not question them and just obey. Their disdain for the common man is indeed outrageous. How dare they treat us this way. Weird to even sarcastically agree with this after you already said you liked their town circle On March 06 2024 02:36 justanothertownie wrote:
Would have to PoE at this point. Probably someone in this pool:
Trfel
Jealous
MZ
JS
Hapa
TTS
VE
Slam
Would have to narrow it down somehow. Not meant as an OMGUS here but this is a super easy post for scum to make since he pretty much called out the lukers and slam. Sandroba actually calls this oout On March 06 2024 07:11 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 07:08 DarthPunk wrote:
Vote: JAT
Talk to me about someone that isn't palmar or vivax. Like what? Trfel is in my POE. Not the worst lynch if it comes to it but I really see no reason to abandon this Palmar lynch right now. Terrible, absolutely no progression of how you actually processed your eliminations to come up with Trfel as your read.
And this one finally takes the cake. What about me voting Trfel is scummy here? He was in my POE and the only candidate who I realistically could switch to. Regardless of my alignment - that is always the play I will do here. There is also nothing weird about "sarcastically agreeing" with Koshi. It should be obvious that this is never a serious post.
It really looks to me like MZ came into the thread, saw 2 townies up for lynch and said to himself "nice, I'll just park my vote on one of them". But then he noticed that might look bad later on and thought "I need to quickly invent something so my vote does not look as disinterested as it actually is".
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On March 06 2024 22:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay JAT give me 5mins to finish my cigarette and lets be town heroes.
Sure, still gotta work at some point though :D
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Oats:
On March 06 2024 09:32 Oatsmaster wrote:
##unvote
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On March 06 2024 11:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
I wanna give trfel time to play
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Only talking about other people and not about me during the whole time. Ironically something I can see town do way easier than mafia. Oats just does not give a fuck. He is belligerent and annoying but I think the towniest vote on this wagon.
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On March 06 2024 22:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 22:13 justanothertownie wrote:Oats: On March 06 2024 09:32 Oatsmaster wrote:
##unvote
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I wanna give trfel time to play
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##vote jat Only talking about other people and not about me during the whole time. Ironically something I can see town do way easier than mafia. Oats just does not give a fuck. He is belligerent and annoying but I think the towniest vote on this wagon. Oats is exactly belligerent and annoying as town.
Yes, I know.
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Other wagon(s) will come later. The conclusion from my own is 1 of Rels and Palmar + MZ are likely mafia. Would mean the team was spread out well which is what I expect.
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