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although im pretty sure its possible to make a case on everyone at this point if you really wanted to.
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On March 20 2024 07:36 Jealous wrote:
Only possible explanations I can come up with for this change of direction:
1. Y'all actually think I'm more likely to flip scum than the scummiest player in the game.
2. Y'all actually think I could be on a team with DMB.
I find both of these highly implausible so y'all must be scum tbh.
what did you think of this
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On March 20 2024 09:33 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2024 09:23 DarthPunk wrote:On March 20 2024 09:20 Jealous wrote:On March 20 2024 08:28 DarthPunk wrote:
Jealous have you got a POE of 3 scum reads that is up to date? Here's a possible DMB x JAT x iamp case: JAT x iamp: + Show Spoiler +On March 05 2024 05:57 justanothertownie wrote:
I think I like the direction that seems to have formed of Iamp, Rayn, marv and to a lesser degree sandro as a council of sorts. I had at least 3-4 moments in the early pages where Iamp posted exactly what I was thinking at the time. Rayn seems reasonable so far (but him masoning marv is probably something he does as either alignment) and I agree that marv masoning sandro is a move that is more likely to come from town.
Would still prefer if people used the thread to communicate even though it would make catching up even harder. On March 05 2024 07:56 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 07:51 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 07:46 DarthPunk wrote:
Does anyone know why rayn thinks I am mafia? Probably because you want to make vivax mayor. Which is insane imo we have someone who already made a terrible decision and you want to give said person more power. He probably thinks your smarter then that and concluded you must be mafia to not see that. ^ That would make sense. On March 07 2024 03:25 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 03:22 CopCake wrote:On March 07 2024 03:21 justanothertownie wrote:On March 07 2024 03:20 CopCake wrote:On March 07 2024 03:14 justanothertownie wrote:On March 07 2024 03:12 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 12:39 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 12:37 CopCake wrote:
So my theory is that Tfrel got lynched because mafia big boys are scared of him. He got lynched because of his end of day posts.I was about to swap to JAT and he basically claimed mafia ITT O_o Who are the mafia big boys who lynched Trfel though? My filter is there. Why are you asking me this? Because I thought you might enlighten me without me having to go to your filter. DP obviously. Who else? Iamp, Vivax, Palmar Ok. Vivax and Iamp pushed that for sure - I just don't think they are very likely to be mafia. Palmar was happy to sit on me through the whole thing. I don't remember him pushing Trfel. On March 08 2024 00:46 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 00:35 iamperfection wrote:On March 08 2024 00:31 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2024 00:29 justanothertownie wrote:On March 08 2024 00:23 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2024 00:14 Jealous wrote:On March 08 2024 00:09 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2024 00:07 Jealous wrote:On March 08 2024 00:01 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2024 23:58 Jealous wrote:[quote] Updates from Oats' filter since the above reads list:2847: Voted JAT anyway despite townreading him, to give Trfel "time to play." Because of where the votes were, I am not gonna change alignments here, but it should be noted that Oats had JAT as town and Trfel as NA. 3414: "Jsl saying that koshi’s thing was a scumslip but DMB’s thing wasn’t a scumslip is super sus" 3861: "I’m just laughing at the jealous post completely accepting that he’s acting in an anti town manner because of “probability”" <- I don't think this is enough for me to assume they SR me but who knows. 3990: "For claim reactions, I think that the way jealous reacted felt very preplanned and lining up the mislynches, what do you think?" <- This is closer to an accusation IMO.* 4067: "Overall, it just doesn’t seem like mz has natural progressions and is not trying to find mafia" 4013: "If this means that you think slam is cop then yes I agree " So we have: Town:
Koshi
Iamperfection
Rayn
Palmar
Vivax
JAT
Alakaslam
NA:
DarthPunk
sandroba
Trfel
marvellosity
Hapahauli
ToTheStars
Rels
Scum:
Meapak_Ziphh
Jealous [?]*
Jacob
VE
DMB
CopCakeAlso: "I do agree that either both [ rayn and marv] are mafia or rayn is town." @Oatsmaster: Is this updated reads list of yours accurate? What would you change and why? Jacob is town, cop is town, tothestars is mafia. You are null, jat is mafia Updated list: Town:
Koshi
Iamperfection
Palmar
Vivax
JAT
Jacob
CopCake
Alakaslam
NA:
DarthPunk
marvellosity
ToTheStars
Rels
Jealous
Scum:
JAT
Meapak_Ziphh
Jacob
ToTheStars
VE
DMB
CopCakeCan you elaborate on the above changes? Old positions crossed out, new positions should be accurate. On March 08 2024 00:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
How did you get jat is town from my filter From this, quoted above in response to the original list: Oh sorry I misread but I think vivax is town now and jat is town now Oh that was night wifom, he’s definitely scum Alright. Also found your TTS reasoning above, so we can skip that one. 1. I'm guessing Jacob town because of the role claim, correct? 2. Why is JAT scum? 3. And why is CopCake town? I really don’t like the way he was absolving himself of responsibility on day 1 and sheeping marv wholesale while claiming marv wasn’t a townread for him. Today hes said twice now about the check possibly being altered but he’s seems to have said it just to say it without fully considering what the options are There are no options, Oats. If you are town you have been very unfortunate. Or slam is mafia, which I think is very unlikely. In each case, the correct play is always to lynch you today. The correct play is to lynch mafia. The man makes a good point. Such smart On March 07 2024 02:43 justanothertownie wrote:
Trfel (11): iamperfection, Alakaslam, Justanothertownie, marvellosity, Koshi, VisceraEyes, Vivax, Jealous, DarthPunk, JacobStrangelove, sandroba
I think this wagon is overall quite towny (both claimants, marv, koshi, iamp, sandro). The only player that really seems suspicious at first glance is VE. There is probably someone else hiding in here but the people on my wagon look markedly worse on average. Which makes sense since they would probably rather be on the townie that doesn't immediately flip. ^ This is just from the first two days and they are practically blowing each other. I'm gonna keep digging to see if there are any discrepancies but to my recollection it was never like they filtered one another or anything. Then there is the fact that they just both happened to switch to me and then say "ah yea won't be around much tomorrow btw." Like, yea, plausible, but could easily be a coordinated push that only appears whimsical. They also seemed to just give DMB a free pass way too often this game. Combine that with this: On March 06 2024 11:07 Oatsmaster wrote:
Oh sorry I misread but I think vivax is town now and jat is town now
Jacob more null slam town Town:KoshiIamperfection RaynPalmarVivaxJAT SlamNA:DarthPunk sandroba
Trfel
marvellosity
JealousMeapak_Ziphh HapahauliToTheStarsRels JacobScum:VEDMB CopCake--- So this is Oats' updated "read list." We know he was bussing DMB hard if it's scumgoon!DMB, which I think would make the most sense to be honest, as it would paint him in a really good light when she flips red, let him survive one day longer at minimum as framer. This would then make his town "reads" of JAT/iamp have a lot of value, and putting them with other confirmed town would give them good insulation. Let's not forget who voted for VE over Oats: + Show Spoiler +Day Two Vote Count
Oatsmaster (9): Alakaslam, Jealous, JacobStrangelove, Rels, Meapak_Ziphh, iamperfection, DarthPunk, die_meatbaby, CopCake, justanothertownie, ToTheStars, Koshi, marvellosity, JacobStrangelove, Alakaslam
VisceraEyes (7): Koshi, Oatsmaster, iamperfection, Vivax, Palmar, Alakaslam, Meapak_Ziphh, iamperfection, CopCake
Palmar (0): Oatsmaster, CopCake, iamperfection, JacobStrangelove, CopCake
Jealous (0): CopCake
justanothertownie (0): Vivax, Oatsmaster
ToTheStars (0): iamperfection, Oatsmaster
marvellosity (0): Vivax
die_meatbaby (0): Oatsmaster
VisceraEyes (0): iamperfection
CopCake (0): Jealous
Not Voting (1): VisceraEyes
With 9 votes, Oatsmaster is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Saturday, Mar 09 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
Hint: It's iamp. Both of them were on TTS at one point. Iamp was moving his vote almost as much as Oats was. Iamp was on three different townies' wagons on the day of a red flip, and stuck to it in the end. Is this what you actually consider most likely here? Game is hard. It's one of the potential teams that I think is plausible. Don't think there is another duo that has remained so supportive and unquestioning of each other in the game to be honest. A DMB x You x someone team is also possible. After all, you did tell me that she was unassailable for an entire day cycle. You did survive a situation where you were at 3 votes and no one jumped on your wagon, and from my POV it was 3-3-3 TvTv?. You were the final jump to Palmar, possibly because jumping to me would make you look suspicious when I flip town while I was voting you, possibly because you thought I was more firmly in your pocket despite voting you. I guess since JAT didn't answer my question for some reason, I'll ask you: Show nested quote +On March 20 2024 08:03 Jealous wrote:On March 20 2024 08:01 justanothertownie wrote:On March 20 2024 07:58 DarthPunk wrote:
Then only thing that DMB's defense has done is make me think that maybe jealous is town over someone like Jat, who should be a better analyst than he is being here. Okay dude. If these 2 are both mafia I have been correct for a few days while you lynched several townies. Just saying. Just out of curiosity, in this hypothetical scum team, are DMB, myself, and another likely sane person coordinating all of this madness, or are we just letting DMB do DMB things and trying to react accordingly? I know that JAT's point was going against yours in this case, so if it makes more sense to you, try to construct a different DMB team. What do you think that hypothetical team is doing?
he did jump to you what do you mean
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On March 20 2024 09:37 DarthPunk wrote:
Also Jealous, all the Jealous/dmb arguments that you made with it making no sense to be teamed also apply to me and DMB.
sure you can say we are bussing now, but the same can be said for you and her so...
well i think the argument would be you were defending her for a majority of the game to steer discussion away. Could say the same to me.
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On March 20 2024 09:42 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 11:38 iamperfection wrote:A lot of things have bothered me today. CopCake makes a case on Koshi and then just almost instantly drops it just because JAT says thats how Koshi plays and then votes Palmar. Why does cop just accept as true it confuses me. Meapak_Ziphh comes back after 19 hours says hes too tired to be bothered to do anything but he has found scum? and is somehow not voting???? I keep hearing this idiotic comment that marv said Palmar is 90% likely to be town. I get it you guys all worship marv but his word isnt gospel and he very well would probably be saying different things if he was still alive its day 4 now marv died in night 2. Palmar really bothers me. He calls me scum because i have just been around not doing anything?? Like i said earlier you can say a lot of things about me but not engaged and not in the thick of things is certainly not one of them. I exposed the mason circle and tried to get reads from it. I correctly deduced that Rayn had to be town from the way he used it and almost immediately tried to make him mayor for it. Right or wrong i was screaming at the top of my longs to lynch tryfel it was wrong but so what. I have constantly been directing and calling out actions. I literally hammered VE in a quest for personal glory it backfired so what. To say i have been just around is objectively wrong. Now Palmar says he dosnt really read the thread that he just shows hes around interacts and develops reads. I dont really feel like has done that all in this game. I think if anyone with a quarter of a brain which ill grant Palmar he has a quarter of a brain could easily use meta to see i am town. This would be by FAR the largest filter i have ever had as mafia. I would also say i am much less emotional as mafia and much more reserved. My style as town requires me to post a ton and usually in quick succession. Thats why i will have mind melds which happened earlier with marv where we said the same thing. As mafia that is extremely hard for me to replicate. At least for a long period. Also as mafia its very hard for me to long posts like this were i have to fake my thoughts i just have hard time to do it. So those long list posts and posts were i collect my thoughts like i had earlier and this one quite frankly are hard for me to do. I dont think Palmar is trying figure out my alignment because he is being bad or more likely just mafia. Now do i think JAT could possibly be mafia. Yes its possible he had a post earlier where he almost knew that Koshi was mafia. {but iamperfection you said earlier that Koshi is likely town) well first of all stfu second there is a diffrence between knowing and thinking. On March 14 2024 04:32 justanothertownie wrote:On March 14 2024 04:30 iamperfection wrote:On March 14 2024 04:28 Koshi wrote:On March 12 2024 12:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Man what the fuck.
This game is going to be extremely hard if townies are gonna self-vote, I feel like that's playing against your wincon. I absolutely hate martyring so pointlessly. I think that was still 100% the right lynch.
And now we're gonna have to solve the CopCake problem since she did exactly the same thing. She voted herself and peaced out when the vote was 7-4 with VE in the lead. Her vote made it 6-5, still with VE in the lead. She showed no problems with leaving her vote on randos the previous two days, and if she was scum, she had a safe place to park her vote on VE or a rando as nobody would have scumread her any harder than they already were for voting to save herself. Now granted, she didn't hammer herself, the closest she ever got was 7-6 against her 2 hours later. So, did town!cake just rage quit in the exact same manner that VE did? Or did scum!cake take a gamble, not realizing how close it was going to get? If it's the second option, Rel's desperation to save her pretty much guarantees him as scum in my eyes, but I still don't know if I can wrap my head around scum!cake doing that because the vote is so close I'd argue that's pretty close to intentionally throwing. Or maybe it's all #bigplays that I'm too stupid to understand.
I have a decent amount of thread to fully catch up on after just skimming to get through it, I focused more on the voting thread to try and figure out wtf both VE and cake were doing. I'm not surprised to see there were more shenanigans by certain people. I will also have a go at reading VE's filter although idk if there's much of a point. What a town hero does. Analyse. I kind of disagree. Feel like he just summed up what happened and listed every scenario. I don't think it's super town post. You won't convince him. At this point Koshi is not reading MZs posts critically anymore. not the biggest thing but the post bothers me. He also seems a bit apathetic to what is going on. So yes i think its possible. MZ's comeback post also bothers me and the fact that he isnt voting despite finding scum On March 14 2024 10:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I'm home, had a shit day so I really don't have the energy to jump into filters right now, especially since I've already found 1 scum at minimum this cycle. I'll hang around the thread and play some league if people want my opinions on anything just ask. However in my eyes Palmar is the most likely mafia. Can someone make a bulletpoint explanation for why this makes iamp town again?
why do you keep on implying wrong = mafia
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On March 20 2024 09:48 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2024 09:46 iamperfection wrote:On March 20 2024 09:42 Jealous wrote:On March 14 2024 11:38 iamperfection wrote:A lot of things have bothered me today. CopCake makes a case on Koshi and then just almost instantly drops it just because JAT says thats how Koshi plays and then votes Palmar. Why does cop just accept as true it confuses me. Meapak_Ziphh comes back after 19 hours says hes too tired to be bothered to do anything but he has found scum? and is somehow not voting???? I keep hearing this idiotic comment that marv said Palmar is 90% likely to be town. I get it you guys all worship marv but his word isnt gospel and he very well would probably be saying different things if he was still alive its day 4 now marv died in night 2. Palmar really bothers me. He calls me scum because i have just been around not doing anything?? Like i said earlier you can say a lot of things about me but not engaged and not in the thick of things is certainly not one of them. I exposed the mason circle and tried to get reads from it. I correctly deduced that Rayn had to be town from the way he used it and almost immediately tried to make him mayor for it. Right or wrong i was screaming at the top of my longs to lynch tryfel it was wrong but so what. I have constantly been directing and calling out actions. I literally hammered VE in a quest for personal glory it backfired so what. To say i have been just around is objectively wrong. Now Palmar says he dosnt really read the thread that he just shows hes around interacts and develops reads. I dont really feel like has done that all in this game. I think if anyone with a quarter of a brain which ill grant Palmar he has a quarter of a brain could easily use meta to see i am town. This would be by FAR the largest filter i have ever had as mafia. I would also say i am much less emotional as mafia and much more reserved. My style as town requires me to post a ton and usually in quick succession. Thats why i will have mind melds which happened earlier with marv where we said the same thing. As mafia that is extremely hard for me to replicate. At least for a long period. Also as mafia its very hard for me to long posts like this were i have to fake my thoughts i just have hard time to do it. So those long list posts and posts were i collect my thoughts like i had earlier and this one quite frankly are hard for me to do. I dont think Palmar is trying figure out my alignment because he is being bad or more likely just mafia. Now do i think JAT could possibly be mafia. Yes its possible he had a post earlier where he almost knew that Koshi was mafia. {but iamperfection you said earlier that Koshi is likely town) well first of all stfu second there is a diffrence between knowing and thinking. On March 14 2024 04:32 justanothertownie wrote:On March 14 2024 04:30 iamperfection wrote:On March 14 2024 04:28 Koshi wrote:On March 12 2024 12:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Man what the fuck.
This game is going to be extremely hard if townies are gonna self-vote, I feel like that's playing against your wincon. I absolutely hate martyring so pointlessly. I think that was still 100% the right lynch.
And now we're gonna have to solve the CopCake problem since she did exactly the same thing. She voted herself and peaced out when the vote was 7-4 with VE in the lead. Her vote made it 6-5, still with VE in the lead. She showed no problems with leaving her vote on randos the previous two days, and if she was scum, she had a safe place to park her vote on VE or a rando as nobody would have scumread her any harder than they already were for voting to save herself. Now granted, she didn't hammer herself, the closest she ever got was 7-6 against her 2 hours later. So, did town!cake just rage quit in the exact same manner that VE did? Or did scum!cake take a gamble, not realizing how close it was going to get? If it's the second option, Rel's desperation to save her pretty much guarantees him as scum in my eyes, but I still don't know if I can wrap my head around scum!cake doing that because the vote is so close I'd argue that's pretty close to intentionally throwing. Or maybe it's all #bigplays that I'm too stupid to understand.
I have a decent amount of thread to fully catch up on after just skimming to get through it, I focused more on the voting thread to try and figure out wtf both VE and cake were doing. I'm not surprised to see there were more shenanigans by certain people. I will also have a go at reading VE's filter although idk if there's much of a point. What a town hero does. Analyse. I kind of disagree. Feel like he just summed up what happened and listed every scenario. I don't think it's super town post. You won't convince him. At this point Koshi is not reading MZs posts critically anymore. not the biggest thing but the post bothers me. He also seems a bit apathetic to what is going on. So yes i think its possible. MZ's comeback post also bothers me and the fact that he isnt voting despite finding scum On March 14 2024 10:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I'm home, had a shit day so I really don't have the energy to jump into filters right now, especially since I've already found 1 scum at minimum this cycle. I'll hang around the thread and play some league if people want my opinions on anything just ask. However in my eyes Palmar is the most likely mafia. Can someone make a bulletpoint explanation for why this makes iamp town again? why do you keep on implying wrong = mafia Misrep. I'm not implying that wrong = mafia, that's obvious, because I was wrong on CopCake, to a less-committed extent VE, and more recently Palmar. I'm trying to understand how it makes you town, though, which it doesn't.
i dont know why dont you read the post instead of taking time to color it.
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On March 20 2024 09:52 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2024 09:44 DarthPunk wrote:
There is a bit of a dichotomy between DMB calling herself 'bad town' and also thinking we are all noobs and she is the only one to nail the scum team. I just accept my death as Town dmb who can´t defend myself because of my bad filter because I don´t give a fuck if something looks scummy when I write. And I am just so sure who is mafia because there are almost no other options left anymore. I found out earlier in the game than most of the others, that makes me proud of myself even when we see tomorrow that only 2 of 3 reads are correct, I am still happy. I told this since days why I think it´s you and also told why I am thinking that the oracle is mafia. Nobody cared, nobody listen so why should I invest time again and make again the reads. Also I kinda want to read the obs. Because you killed all the nice people and I have to stay here with you-.-
i thought you said jealous was for sure scum so how can you say nobody listening he has 3 votes right now.
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On March 20 2024 10:03 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2024 09:58 iamperfection wrote:On March 20 2024 09:52 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 20 2024 09:44 DarthPunk wrote:
There is a bit of a dichotomy between DMB calling herself 'bad town' and also thinking we are all noobs and she is the only one to nail the scum team. I just accept my death as Town dmb who can´t defend myself because of my bad filter because I don´t give a fuck if something looks scummy when I write. And I am just so sure who is mafia because there are almost no other options left anymore. I found out earlier in the game than most of the others, that makes me proud of myself even when we see tomorrow that only 2 of 3 reads are correct, I am still happy. I told this since days why I think it´s you and also told why I am thinking that the oracle is mafia. Nobody cared, nobody listen so why should I invest time again and make again the reads. Also I kinda want to read the obs. Because you killed all the nice people and I have to stay here with you-.- i thought you said jealous was for sure scum so how can you say nobody listening he has 3 votes right now. Because the game is over us. We will not get 3 mafia lynchs in a row Even when we lynch J today and he is scum and I am right I still could not handle another 2 days conviencing town here that I am Town I would be the misslynch anyway when it is not today then nice that I could defent myself from scum dp for 1 day but I will get lynched d2 or at the latest in three days if we come this far.
great attitude if town.
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lets leave it how it is figure out what to do tomorrow give everyone a chance to respond.
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On March 20 2024 21:49 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2024 20:07 justanothertownie wrote:On March 20 2024 15:48 Jealous wrote:
Ah see this is why I wanted to wait for tomorrow to compare actual names and not just numbers, because on me were town Vivax and Palmar at EoD, so if DMB and JAT are scum then it would have taken just JAT and one scum on Palmar to lynch town!DP. Still would have been sus af of course but anyway I'll map it out tomorrow. I think it is way more telling that there was 0 mafia on you in the end. They were all either on dp or palmar. I am basically a guaranteed ML at this point after getting pushed for several days and scum lynching the people who SR me, so I think being spread or concentrated on one of the more prime lynches makes as much sense from an objective POV. But, assuming you're town, I can understand the WIFOM.
If dmb is scum. I think there is a reason you could be town.
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Maybe being inactive will work out better for us since being active has clearly not worked.
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I have the answer jealous. I voted palmar because I thought he was scum.
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What do you mean no justification. I had been talking about him for like half the game you goof.
I'm saying it from the perspective as if you are town jealous then it's just another town dead it wouldn't have mattered to me if I was scum. If your saying it's scummy because I kept you alive to force a possible mislynch later if you think I calculated that in like the 15 min when all this went down your insane.
Also I think it's likely your town if dmb is scum because I think she slipped that your town with the reeing she was doing before the palmar flip.
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On March 21 2024 04:51 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2024 04:46 iamperfection wrote:
I have the answer jealous. I voted palmar because I thought he was scum. So then why were you on me as several other people piled onto me, and only switched off of me when it became this?
Because I thought at that time you could be scum too. And to prevent vivax from having a nervous breakdown.
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On March 21 2024 05:07 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 10:44 DarthPunk wrote:
All you lot are doing by trying to lynch me here is throwing the game because now out of the three of us mafia can pick the townie last minute.
Are you saying that's a slip?
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On March 21 2024 05:42 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2024 04:55 iamperfection wrote:On March 21 2024 04:51 Jealous wrote:On March 21 2024 04:46 iamperfection wrote:
I have the answer jealous. I voted palmar because I thought he was scum. So then why were you on me as several other people piled onto me, and only switched off of me when it became this? Because I thought at that time you could be scum too. And to prevent vivax from having a nervous breakdown. Can you post the town spew by dmb?
The whole attack on you saying you were leading two Town wagons.
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On March 21 2024 05:50 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2024 05:44 iamperfection wrote:On March 21 2024 05:42 DarthPunk wrote:On March 21 2024 04:55 iamperfection wrote:On March 21 2024 04:51 Jealous wrote:On March 21 2024 04:46 iamperfection wrote:
I have the answer jealous. I voted palmar because I thought he was scum. So then why were you on me as several other people piled onto me, and only switched off of me when it became this? Because I thought at that time you could be scum too. And to prevent vivax from having a nervous breakdown. Can you post the town spew by dmb? The whole attack on you saying you were leading two Town wagons. Oh yeah. Well that is true. But I am not sure it couldn’t have been stuck In there as fake spew. I just found it scummy that that was the reasoning, before jealous had flipped. She was town reading him at that time too ostensibly. What do you think of all this vote count analysis by jealous?
Flawed obviously but I think he could be town.
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