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On March 06 2024 09:32 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 09:03 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 23:12 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 21:30 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 11:13 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 10:58 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote:
I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible.
There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia. Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie. The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake. I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example Are you still lock town on trfel btw? Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me. I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him. This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible. I disagree. Trfel last game was pretty similar to this, he did some burst of activity then vanished for a while. I was suspicious of him all the way through d1/n1 because of the structuring of his posts and they style of his activity. He was not a high volume poster and conviction was not his forte. He basically had the game figured out d3 but wasn't pushing any of it. It took me some deep diving to actually identify he was correct on everything. I think it's stupid to look into him as the quality of what he has posted has been very good so far. If he is mafia it will be hard for him to keep up as the game progresses and he has to justify hard positions and keep up appearances. My current suspect list is palmar/jat/rels, rels being the one I feel less strongly about. Palmar looks more and more tame and awful every time he posts. JAT: catches up to the thread but basically only ever comments on Koshi related stuff. A lot of his commentary is meaningless and his questions are not sharp. He apparently wants Koshi for mayor, but this is not a real position since koshi himself wants vivax and it doesn't seem like jat really wants it or thinks it's a realistic thing that will happen. It just fills up space and buddies up to koshi. On March 05 2024 20:59 justanothertownie wrote:
Apparently people are dead set on making Vivax mayor. They cannot all be mafia even though I would bet a lot of money that mafia is on board.
The logic apparently being Vivax wouldn't make such a bad play as mafia. The disconnect here is that he did the bad play regardless of his alignment but for some reason only town can be bad in people's minds. I disagree with that but I really don't know what to do about it except for complaining and offering a better alternative which is koshi right now. What am I supposed to do in your opinion, rayn? The above post is complacent and disinterested. The reasoning for Vivax possibly being mafia is very shallow analysis and very lazily written, not trying to convince anyone. JAT is solely focused on this mayor thing, he is not very involved and he is making no effort to actually find anyone that is suspicious. He is sticking to easy topics and being lazy in his comments. Even the mayor thing he doesn't care enough about to make any real contributions. He cares about nothing, yet he is still posting here pretending to engage. JAT is mafia. I mean, this is a great post by sandroba, and an example for why I have them as one of my top town reads. I see what they're saying. I just still struggle to see JAT fighting so hard against a Vivax mayor campaign for so long because it looks so bad. Does the scum team not try to stop him and say "hey, this isn't really a good idea and looks bad?" Does JAT just ignore his scum team and go rogue? It just doesn't seem like it makes sense, and I know that they've played a lot of games... Does a veteran player really do all that, knowing the attention it will bring to their position? So, for now, going to ##Vote: Trfel and revisit Alakaslam to see exactly when and where they cop-claimed.
Just look at this post. High praises for Sandro then votes his townread.
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Also the wording super awk
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My conclusion on Palmar: "I just don’t feel as much conviction about it and don’t want to jump on the boat when there are people who I find more suspicious/less beneficial to the game."
Let's remove JAT from the equation briefly, due to what I just wrote above. Let's then compare the above statement to what I wrote about Trfel:
"I would appreciate people pointing out exactly what was so bad about their conduct on D1 because I'm not seeing it, though to be fair they have been less active for a bit and it's been dozens of pages since I read something they wrote and I caught up in one big chunk."
Koshi then made a case on Trfel that I could understand, and I view Koshi as very town. So, I think that is a sufficient explanation for why I parked on Trfel; if that isn't enough conviction for you, then I guess it is what it is. By my estimation, that is enough, given the circumstances (D1 + catch-up).
This is an excerpt from one of his posts.
You ain't telling me this is how a townie forms reads.
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On March 06 2024 08:48 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 08:28 Palmar wrote:
I think Jealous is complaining (he didn't quote it correctly) about my post encouraging Hapa to just play at a lower effort level.
I disagree with Jealous, I think that was a very townie post by me. Yea, my apologies, I only realized on the re-read that I somehow lost that post into somewhere else. But, I'm glad you brought it up. For posterity (so everyone else knows what I was referring to): Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 23:58 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 23:50 Hapahauli wrote:
Not a damn thing. I don't want to be a buzz kill or anything, but I literally cannot bring myself to even try every time I sit down and try to start You don't actually have to read the thread, god knows I haven't. Just start talking with people. Mafia is incredibly hard and these people spam like their life depends on it. You just kinda have to accept that you're not playing at 100% capacity and be okay with it. Admitting you haven't read the thread just doesn't feel like a smart thing to be doing regardless of whether you're mafia or town IMO, but especially town. If you're not trying to catch inconsistencies, see apparent partnerships or dissect whether a conflict is genuine or manufactured, what are we doing here? Like, yea, asking questions and using that info to inform your decisions is a thing you're supposed to do, but without a frame of reference it just feels like it's not helping town and can just lead to more confusion than anything. But, you're a more experienced player than me and might have just been trying to be kind to Hapa, I can concede that. In general I liked how you've been posting recently for the most part, but you were also under the microscope for a bit so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Looking forward to see what you do going forward.
His reply to Palmar is very SvS-y
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On March 15 2024 07:52 justanothertownie wrote:???
That Palmar is mafia with him.
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On March 09 2024 11:29 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 11:27 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 09 2024 11:24 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 09 2024 11:19 DarthPunk wrote:On March 09 2024 11:17 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 09 2024 11:14 DarthPunk wrote:On March 09 2024 10:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
Town
Do not fucking lynch slam ever no matter if I flip miller or VT or I will end you after this game. Don’t you mean when? When Oats aligment flips red or miller then slam will die in n2 anyways or if oats is just town slam get lynched. Thats so easy that even I understand that. But there is no question from oats that he is town right? So why say if he is town, he should just say don’t lynch slam when I flip. If oats is just Town we have to lynch slam. Then he pretended the claim fooled us for one lynch and we get the lynch nr. 2 right. There is no other way. Even me with my Tl skill level 1 I know no matter which scenarion comes we know what to do. Thats the only correct thing to do for our Town Will you not listen to me after I flip when I tell you not to lynch slam? Gotta say, if you flip scum, this is some really good play right here.
He didn't have the doubts others had about Oats vs VE unlike others until here.
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On March 09 2024 12:49 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 12:21 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 12:08 Vivax wrote:
Very good play by Oats.
Good luck with the copcake shot dp.
VE tomorrow most likely. So you think this was a double bus situation and people used it as an opportunity to look more townie for remaining on Oats? Or maybe this is just a bad idea, to go after the second wagon? And maybe it would be very convenient for some people who spearheaded second wagons? Hmm 🤔 Vivax where you going? These weren't entirely rhetorical, I want to hear your thoughts on this.
Also remember being annoyed at this because he didn't have have thoughts of his own on this.
If it interested him so much he could have cooked up something of his own from analyzing wagons especially when he was just proven right by voting Oats.
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On March 06 2024 22:37 sandroba wrote:
I'm liking palmar more and more. His night posts read really genuine to me, maybe I'm a fool but I'm prob not going after palmar d2.
Marv had some paranoind behavior in the qt which has fully convinced me he is town.
I think these are the big question marks for people and I think they are both town.
By process of elimination here is what I'm at:
Likely mafia: ve + rels - both didn't care one bit about the lynch imo
Depending on TTS being mafia or town it leave us 2/3 mafia in this pile:
mz, jsl, jat, cop, dmb, slam
This is where I'm at.
Aside from sandro thinking JSL mafia at end of night at most we have this as slightly indicative of Rels.
Makes me a tad paranoid Jealous isn't among those but do I want to resort to NK wifom?
I'll accept shenannies onto Rels maybe.
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Rayn and Sandro had copcake in common, I'll concede that.
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On March 15 2024 08:51 Palmar wrote:
Sandro thought jealous was town. It’s a read I rode for the longest of times.
I can be a good sheep here. But reading Jealous pains my eyes. I'd have to lie to not think he was mafia.
Maybe I'm wrong, but there's a strong lack of sheepable options.
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On March 14 2024 00:28 Koshi wrote:Holy fuck look at the lynch. Lolololol Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 11:02 Grackaroni wrote:
Day One Vote Count
Mayor
Vivax (6): raynpelikoneet, Rels, Vivax, DarthPunk, die_meatbaby, Koshi, Alakaslam
raynpelikoneet (3): JacobStrangelove, Alakaslam, raynpelikoneet, Iamperfection, raynpelikoneet
Oatsmaster (1): Oatsmaster
Koshi (1): Koshi, justanothertownie
Not Voting (10):
With 6 votes, Vivax is currently set to be elected!
Lynch
Oatsmaster (3) : Vivax, VisceraEyes, DarthPunk
ToTheStars (3): Rels, CopCake, JacobStrangelove
Palmar (3) : marvellosity, justanothertownie, Alakaslam
VisceraEyes (2): iamperfection, sandroba, Vivax, Oatsmaster
Koshi (1) : JacobStrangelove, Oatsmaster, sandroba
DarthPunk (1) : raynpelikoneet
raynpelikoneet (0) : DarthPunk
CopCake (0): Oatsmaster, DarthPunk
Alakaslam (0) Oatsmaster, CopCake
Vivax (0): Alakaslam
Not Voting(8):
With 3 votes, Oatsmaster is currently set to be lynched!
Let me know if you see any votes misplaced
The deadline is Wednesday, Mar 06 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
Maybe a stupid read but Koshi going off like this and posting in the VC thread is townie. Too spontaneous.
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If Rels and Copcake were mafia then Oats should be bussing TTS already as well no? Given that DP and Palmar are suggesting coordinated action.
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That VC shows how stupid we were to lynch VE tbh
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On March 15 2024 09:00 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 08:49 Vivax wrote:
Rayn and Sandro had copcake in common, I'll concede that. No shit.
Fine. Consider me flexible to switch to CC.
I get the jitters thinking about a Jealous townflip ngl.
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I can't focus on the game right now but it's also an important point.
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I'm mostly just happy that I could get a bit of traction on Jealous.
But I don't want to be exceedingly egotistical if you really want CC and she wants to die after all.
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On March 15 2024 09:10 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 09:08 Vivax wrote:
I'm mostly just happy that I could get a bit of traction on Jealous.
But I don't want to be exceedingly egotistical if you really want CC and she wants to die after all. You think she would go down this road with replacements as mafia? I really want to lynch mafia today.
Same here the pressure is so high I am reduced to a flounder.
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On March 15 2024 09:10 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 09:08 Vivax wrote:
I'm mostly just happy that I could get a bit of traction on Jealous.
But I don't want to be exceedingly egotistical if you really want CC and she wants to die after all. You think she would go down this road with replacements as mafia? I really want to lynch mafia today.
Maybe she feels super bad for town losing and can't keep up the facade?
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On March 15 2024 09:17 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 09:15 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 15 2024 09:12 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 15 2024 09:07 DarthPunk wrote:On March 15 2024 09:06 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 15 2024 09:05 DarthPunk wrote:
I’m going to be around until the flip. We can be flexible
I want to hear dmbs reads also interested in what was said in the mason chat. WHY is she asking me in the mason chat that I should lynch her???????? I don’t fucking know. Why don’t you ask her? She wrote I want to get lynched. Pls, do it. This game is like meh and no fun, nothing enjoybale, nothing friendly If that is a just tyring to make me think of her as Town with emotinal breakdown, then it´s function very good. I could understand that she feels like this. I mean she has to defend herself since the begining and doesn´t even get lynched I would just hope to get lynched as well in her situation... And when she is actually mafia with palmar. I would totally understand it. I mean playing with this dickhead would frustrate me as well and then fighting the hole time with dp in the thread. Both would take fun and energy away wat ?
She's had it with Palmar since he D1 lynched me.
But I think she's being sincere.
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