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On March 17 2024 02:19 iamperfection wrote:
i mean from that log mz has to be town right? At the very least they cant be mafia together. Its blatant rule breaking either way.
I don't think so. Yeah, it is somewhat unlikely that they are both mafia but it is also not impossible. Not more unlikely than MZ masoning his partner in the first place. If they decided that would be a good play I would assume they would also put in a token amount of posts for both to paraphrase later.
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On March 17 2024 02:53 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2024 02:38 justanothertownie wrote:On March 16 2024 23:26 iamperfection wrote:On March 16 2024 19:31 Palmar wrote:On March 16 2024 11:21 iamperfection wrote:
I think Palmar just has to be mafia. I have listed the reasons several times and i just keep wifoming myself out of it. His reactions to the CC flip just adds to it he had no real thoughts or analysis to make as he isn't interested in figuring things out. This is the kinda shit that keeps you out of my towncircle. Of course I have no reaction. I "knew" she was town and I was highly annoyed at her. The people who I feel in hindsight swung the lynch onto her (DP/Vivax) are my town circle people so while I don't quite understand why they did it after all the dick move analysis, I don't think this warrants looking into them. DP shot mafia. He gets to be alive until lylo. That is the earliest I think he should be looked into. Vivax is a bed we kinda made on day 1, but there are additional reasons to think he may be town. I liked his early posting, and I don't think he does the whole paranoia thing as mafia. So why are my "reactions to the cc flip" bad? There is nothing to learn. We lynched a townie who everyone thought was town. The only way it actually becomes interesting if we confirm Jealous is mafia. But that would be a pre-flip association and you know how I feel about even post-flip associations. I dont really give a shit about your town circle palmar. if you want to call me mafia you need to refute this https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=395#7899 otherwise im not gonna even entertain the discussion. My problem once again is that i feel like its pulling teeth from you to get attempts to discover mafia. You basically ignore all my larger points. Lets pretend you are town. I know i am town. I think the corrupt mayor theory isnt right so vivax is town. On March 09 2024 11:52 Grackaroni wrote:
Day Two Vote Count
Oatsmaster (9): Alakaslam, Jealous, JacobStrangelove, Rels, Meapak_Ziphh, iamperfection, DarthPunk, die_meatbaby, CopCake, Justanothertownie, ToTheStars, Koshi, marvellosity, JacobStrangelove, Alakaslam
VisceraEyes (7): Koshi, Oatsmaster, iamperfection, Vivax, Palmar, Alakaslam, Meapak_Ziphh, iamperfection, CopCake
Palmar (0): Oatsmaster, CopCake, iamperfection, JacobStrangelove, CopCake
Jealous (0): CopCake
Justanothertownie (0): Vivax, Oatsmaster
ToTheStars (0): iamperfection, Oatsmaster
marvellosity (0): Vivax
die_meatbaby (0): Oatsmaster
VisceraEyes (0): iamperfection
CopCake (0): Jealous
Not Voting (1): VisceraEyes
With 9 votes, Oatsmaster is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Saturday, Mar 09 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
Are we suggesting that 4 mafia were on the oats wagon? I dont think that is likely. I really would like the detail summary of that discord in full because i think it just has to be mz and palmar are mafia together the more i think about it. I do not think there necessarily has to be mafia on VE - if there is then maybe MZ. If the lynch goes through and VE flips town Oats will just be killed the day after and everyone who took part looks absolutely terrible. It would only postpone the result for no real gain. Hmmm... Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 12:40 Rels wrote:On March 08 2024 10:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 07 2024 23:18 marvellosity wrote:On March 07 2024 22:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Everyone who has called into question Slam's check in anyway is instantly less town to me. That starts with copcake but also includes you now Koshi. It's got the vibe of a scum team that left slam alive thinking he wasn't gonna find any of them and are now mad that he's better than they thought.
If Oats flips VT we can revisit this but right now these posts only serve as opening the door for Oats to get out of the lynch.
Also funny your push was onto me Koshi when I'm the same lynch Oats tried to push as the alternative to him. Do you really think mafia think they can wiggle out of a red check? I think the opposite to you. I think mafia absolutely rolls with the red check. BING BING BING I FOUND IT. Crazy how you set up the premise of scum just rolling with a red check and I come back to the thread to find eveyrone looking for reasons not to lynch a red check. How convenient. Really disagree with this. Unless you're playing the "chaotic town" card, scum absolutely know there is no way Oats will survive the game if he's scum (or if he's town for that matter). We're not even in LYLO, buying one more day doesn't accomplish anything if it comes at the cost of their credibility Hmmm... Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 12:46 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 08 2024 12:40 Rels wrote:On March 08 2024 10:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 07 2024 23:18 marvellosity wrote:On March 07 2024 22:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Everyone who has called into question Slam's check in anyway is instantly less town to me. That starts with copcake but also includes you now Koshi. It's got the vibe of a scum team that left slam alive thinking he wasn't gonna find any of them and are now mad that he's better than they thought.
If Oats flips VT we can revisit this but right now these posts only serve as opening the door for Oats to get out of the lynch.
Also funny your push was onto me Koshi when I'm the same lynch Oats tried to push as the alternative to him. Do you really think mafia think they can wiggle out of a red check? I think the opposite to you. I think mafia absolutely rolls with the red check. BING BING BING I FOUND IT. Crazy how you set up the premise of scum just rolling with a red check and I come back to the thread to find eveyrone looking for reasons not to lynch a red check. How convenient. Really disagree with this. Unless you're playing the "chaotic town" card, scum absolutely know there is no way Oats will survive the game if he's scum (or if he's town for that matter). We're not even in LYLO, buying one more day doesn't accomplish anything if it comes at the cost of their credibility I think that is naive to think that the town will have the discipline to come back to a red check if they pass it over once. A lot can change in a single day cycle.
? What are you trying to say here?
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On March 17 2024 03:01 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2024 02:58 justanothertownie wrote:On March 17 2024 02:53 Jealous wrote:On March 17 2024 02:38 justanothertownie wrote:On March 16 2024 23:26 iamperfection wrote:On March 16 2024 19:31 Palmar wrote:On March 16 2024 11:21 iamperfection wrote:
I think Palmar just has to be mafia. I have listed the reasons several times and i just keep wifoming myself out of it. His reactions to the CC flip just adds to it he had no real thoughts or analysis to make as he isn't interested in figuring things out. This is the kinda shit that keeps you out of my towncircle. Of course I have no reaction. I "knew" she was town and I was highly annoyed at her. The people who I feel in hindsight swung the lynch onto her (DP/Vivax) are my town circle people so while I don't quite understand why they did it after all the dick move analysis, I don't think this warrants looking into them. DP shot mafia. He gets to be alive until lylo. That is the earliest I think he should be looked into. Vivax is a bed we kinda made on day 1, but there are additional reasons to think he may be town. I liked his early posting, and I don't think he does the whole paranoia thing as mafia. So why are my "reactions to the cc flip" bad? There is nothing to learn. We lynched a townie who everyone thought was town. The only way it actually becomes interesting if we confirm Jealous is mafia. But that would be a pre-flip association and you know how I feel about even post-flip associations. I dont really give a shit about your town circle palmar. if you want to call me mafia you need to refute this https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=395#7899 otherwise im not gonna even entertain the discussion. My problem once again is that i feel like its pulling teeth from you to get attempts to discover mafia. You basically ignore all my larger points. Lets pretend you are town. I know i am town. I think the corrupt mayor theory isnt right so vivax is town. On March 09 2024 11:52 Grackaroni wrote:
Day Two Vote Count
Oatsmaster (9): Alakaslam, Jealous, JacobStrangelove, Rels, Meapak_Ziphh, iamperfection, DarthPunk, die_meatbaby, CopCake, Justanothertownie, ToTheStars, Koshi, marvellosity, JacobStrangelove, Alakaslam
VisceraEyes (7): Koshi, Oatsmaster, iamperfection, Vivax, Palmar, Alakaslam, Meapak_Ziphh, iamperfection, CopCake
Palmar (0): Oatsmaster, CopCake, iamperfection, JacobStrangelove, CopCake
Jealous (0): CopCake
Justanothertownie (0): Vivax, Oatsmaster
ToTheStars (0): iamperfection, Oatsmaster
marvellosity (0): Vivax
die_meatbaby (0): Oatsmaster
VisceraEyes (0): iamperfection
CopCake (0): Jealous
Not Voting (1): VisceraEyes
With 9 votes, Oatsmaster is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Saturday, Mar 09 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
Are we suggesting that 4 mafia were on the oats wagon? I dont think that is likely. I really would like the detail summary of that discord in full because i think it just has to be mz and palmar are mafia together the more i think about it. I do not think there necessarily has to be mafia on VE - if there is then maybe MZ. If the lynch goes through and VE flips town Oats will just be killed the day after and everyone who took part looks absolutely terrible. It would only postpone the result for no real gain. Hmmm... On March 08 2024 12:40 Rels wrote:On March 08 2024 10:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 07 2024 23:18 marvellosity wrote:On March 07 2024 22:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Everyone who has called into question Slam's check in anyway is instantly less town to me. That starts with copcake but also includes you now Koshi. It's got the vibe of a scum team that left slam alive thinking he wasn't gonna find any of them and are now mad that he's better than they thought.
If Oats flips VT we can revisit this but right now these posts only serve as opening the door for Oats to get out of the lynch.
Also funny your push was onto me Koshi when I'm the same lynch Oats tried to push as the alternative to him. Do you really think mafia think they can wiggle out of a red check? I think the opposite to you. I think mafia absolutely rolls with the red check. BING BING BING I FOUND IT. Crazy how you set up the premise of scum just rolling with a red check and I come back to the thread to find eveyrone looking for reasons not to lynch a red check. How convenient. Really disagree with this. Unless you're playing the "chaotic town" card, scum absolutely know there is no way Oats will survive the game if he's scum (or if he's town for that matter). We're not even in LYLO, buying one more day doesn't accomplish anything if it comes at the cost of their credibility Hmmm... On March 08 2024 12:46 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 08 2024 12:40 Rels wrote:On March 08 2024 10:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 07 2024 23:18 marvellosity wrote:On March 07 2024 22:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Everyone who has called into question Slam's check in anyway is instantly less town to me. That starts with copcake but also includes you now Koshi. It's got the vibe of a scum team that left slam alive thinking he wasn't gonna find any of them and are now mad that he's better than they thought.
If Oats flips VT we can revisit this but right now these posts only serve as opening the door for Oats to get out of the lynch.
Also funny your push was onto me Koshi when I'm the same lynch Oats tried to push as the alternative to him. Do you really think mafia think they can wiggle out of a red check? I think the opposite to you. I think mafia absolutely rolls with the red check. BING BING BING I FOUND IT. Crazy how you set up the premise of scum just rolling with a red check and I come back to the thread to find eveyrone looking for reasons not to lynch a red check. How convenient. Really disagree with this. Unless you're playing the "chaotic town" card, scum absolutely know there is no way Oats will survive the game if he's scum (or if he's town for that matter). We're not even in LYLO, buying one more day doesn't accomplish anything if it comes at the cost of their credibility I think that is naive to think that the town will have the discipline to come back to a red check if they pass it over once. A lot can change in a single day cycle. ? What are you trying to say here? Complete mind meld between you and Rels, but MZ doesn't seem to agree. This is while MZ was still pushing for an Oats lynch, but ended up not being on the Oats wagon. "A lot can change in a single day cycle" is almost predictive in this case, as what changed was that MZ ended up on the ML wagon.
Ah, I see. And you think he would be posting his mafia thoughts this openly? Would they not talk about this in discord?
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On March 17 2024 04:04 Vivax wrote:
Even if rayn got elected and he claimed joat later he'd still be open for tinfoil you can't pull that off with me
Funny if that was ironic 
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On March 17 2024 05:36 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2024 05:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 17 2024 05:29 Jealous wrote:On March 17 2024 05:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 17 2024 05:25 Jealous wrote:On March 17 2024 05:16 iamperfection wrote:On March 17 2024 05:06 Vivax wrote:
I think it‘s a case made with the help of scripts or something, maybe some ghostwriters who slave for Jealous.
It‘s still a bit disconnected from the game. There is no emphasis of MZ drunkposting during D2 when I briefly thought it made him 100% mafia. Those would be great to leverage his arguments. what a giga chad if its not using scripts though. I type really fast. On March 17 2024 05:18 iamperfection wrote:
Jealous did you read the whole palmar mz mason dynamic going on? Yea I saw it, honestly I don't think I can find much AI in someone else's mason chats when there are timezone differences, one of them traveling constantly and the other seeming pretty disinterested in the chat and with the concept of masons in general IIRC from Palmar's filter. I did find the point that if they were both scum that they might try harder to make it seem productive/active to be an interesting one, it was a good thought. No guarantee that they would have had that same thought, though. I think focusing on stuff that actually happened in the game (posts, reads, and votes) makes more sense to me overall. So you now think that Palmar and I can't be scum together? Is that what you're saying here? Not sure how you got that from what I said. I think it's possible, because I don't think that the mason chat was AI. Ah so Palmar is still scum, is he your second highest read now after me? Or where has he shuffled out on the list. Yea I'd probably say you are more lynchable than him now for me. Still have to look at Rels, also hoping Palmar and iamp address the fact that they too were on that horrible wagon, iamp being the last vote to stick on VE twice even, though as I said before the fact that the second VE vote was TvT with CopCake makes it overall less egregious IMO. And again, if someone else could do the work of looking into their read progressions on Oats instead of just getting the posters-in-question' self-testimonies, that would be a big help IMO.
Can you elaborate why palmar is less lynchable than mz in your opinion?
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The votes would suggest otherwise.
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On March 17 2024 06:03 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2024 05:57 justanothertownie wrote:On March 17 2024 05:36 Jealous wrote:On March 17 2024 05:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 17 2024 05:29 Jealous wrote:On March 17 2024 05:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 17 2024 05:25 Jealous wrote:On March 17 2024 05:16 iamperfection wrote:On March 17 2024 05:06 Vivax wrote:
I think it‘s a case made with the help of scripts or something, maybe some ghostwriters who slave for Jealous.
It‘s still a bit disconnected from the game. There is no emphasis of MZ drunkposting during D2 when I briefly thought it made him 100% mafia. Those would be great to leverage his arguments. what a giga chad if its not using scripts though. I type really fast. On March 17 2024 05:18 iamperfection wrote:
Jealous did you read the whole palmar mz mason dynamic going on? Yea I saw it, honestly I don't think I can find much AI in someone else's mason chats when there are timezone differences, one of them traveling constantly and the other seeming pretty disinterested in the chat and with the concept of masons in general IIRC from Palmar's filter. I did find the point that if they were both scum that they might try harder to make it seem productive/active to be an interesting one, it was a good thought. No guarantee that they would have had that same thought, though. I think focusing on stuff that actually happened in the game (posts, reads, and votes) makes more sense to me overall. So you now think that Palmar and I can't be scum together? Is that what you're saying here? Not sure how you got that from what I said. I think it's possible, because I don't think that the mason chat was AI. Ah so Palmar is still scum, is he your second highest read now after me? Or where has he shuffled out on the list. Yea I'd probably say you are more lynchable than him now for me. Still have to look at Rels, also hoping Palmar and iamp address the fact that they too were on that horrible wagon, iamp being the last vote to stick on VE twice even, though as I said before the fact that the second VE vote was TvT with CopCake makes it overall less egregious IMO. And again, if someone else could do the work of looking into their read progressions on Oats instead of just getting the posters-in-question' self-testimonies, that would be a big help IMO. Can you elaborate why palmar is less lynchable than mz in your opinion? I mean, I think it's pretty close. MZ pushed the vote to being a 1 vote difference between Oats and VE, so he seems to me to be a better choice. MZ completely changing their philosophy on the proper way to play mafia as a whole generates a fair amount of disbelief in the narrative for me. I really don't want to do this because I'm pretty mafia-d out at the moment, but it looks like I'll have to go back into Palmar's filter to refresh my memory for how he made the jump from Oats to VE to compare. Heading out for a very late lunch right now, maybe I'll scroll when I go out for a smoke break after. Do you hold the opposite opinion? Why or why not?
I was just trying to understand your thought process. I understood lynchable as "easy to lynch" - but it seems you meant "a good lynch" . Which did not make sense to me.
You know my opinion on Palmar. I don't think he is "lynch able" today.
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I also commented on MZs day1 progression in my large post about him. It is objectively scummy. But also extremely brazen if he is mafia.
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On March 17 2024 06:27 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2024 06:08 justanothertownie wrote:
I also commented on MZs day1 progression in my large post about him. It is objectively scummy. But also extremely brazen if he is mafia. I don't know if brazen is the term I'd use, because they put in enough effort to preempt criticism. When I think brazen I think of a person with no fucks to give. MZ clearly gave a lot of fucks. The scum approach just makes too much sense to me. To boil it down, it's basically: 1. Push hard for an Oats lynch after the flip, so they look neutral-to-good when Oats is lynched. 2. Berate anyone on other wagons when they don't have much steam, effect is similar to #1. 3. When the wagon starts gaining steam, make many posts explaining how you're having a change of heart and why, making it seem like a natural development. 4. "Aw shucks, y'all convinced me. My fault." And given that it was D2 and the game is still pretty much wide open, there will still be a lot of people looking elsewhere, other townies making questionable plays, and in this game, an easy ML on VE. I think it could have been a calculated gamble.
But VE was always going to be an easy mislynch. Evidence: day3. The only thing that changes by going after VE is the order of the lynches. And that MZ looks bad now.
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On March 17 2024 06:39 Vivax wrote:
And Koshi wasn't that far off from being mislynchable with enough effort
(x) doubt
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On March 17 2024 06:50 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2024 06:48 Vivax wrote:
The hard part is getting iamperfection to vote Jealous he just sees big post and goes into awe and stupor it had links vivax linksSSSSSSSSSS
The effort is really impressive ngl. Effort is only loosely connected with alignment though. Depending on the player.
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On March 17 2024 07:00 Palmar wrote:
Hey the cool news is that I have a volcano going off outside my window so there’s that
Cool in the sense of cool or in the sense of you/your property are in danger? Stay safe..
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It is really hard to lynch jealous, isn't it?
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I read your case dp. It is a good case. I still don't think it makes palmar mafia though. He does not play the same way every game as town so just comparing him to his last one is going to be difficult.
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The point about switching mafia reads to townreads when town reading him is a theme for sure though. You can add me to the list.
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On March 17 2024 13:02 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2024 12:55 Rels wrote:I have been reading DMB past games, kind hard to get info from it without reading the whole game again, but this might be a town tell on DMB ... this game: On March 17 2024 10:48 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 17 2024 10:46 Jealous wrote:
I'm actually curious what die "why are there two nks?!" meatbaby considers "so bad" about my play. This should be good. I know I am playing bad. Mafia game: On December 18 2023 08:34 die_meatbaby wrote:On December 18 2023 07:52 Palmar wrote:
And I basically have the same feeling about dmb as you but I've written it off throughout the game as terrible town.
I would actually be somewhat relieved if she's mafia because then I don't have to call her bad in the postgame :D STOP CALLING ME BAD TOWN!! when we lynch you we will see that I am right See this is a good way of using meta.
You think? I think that relates back to the point of dp trying to establish a dmb mafia meta from a single game. I think she would try to improve and that's a super easy change. I see her as an ambitious person.
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On March 18 2024 01:25 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 01:24 die_meatbaby wrote:
dp is scum and gunssmith give actually scum a gun. Dp took his chance for townreads to shoot the non active mafia member Even if you think this it’s not the part we need right now. Goes for you too Vivax. If DP is mafia today is about lynching one of his two teammates. Not him. Any real talk of it just takes space in the thread and should be saved for the night. For the record, I don’t think he’s mafia
I agree. We are not lynching dp today. Even though I had my doubts about him for a while now. I don't like how he is effectively protecting both jealous and dmb constantly.
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On March 18 2024 02:01 Vivax wrote:
DMB why not vote Rels here?
I am not voting Rels today. It is jealous or dmb for me.
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