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On March 13 2024 13:43 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 13:37 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 13:33 DarthPunk wrote:On March 13 2024 13:27 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 13:17 DarthPunk wrote:On March 13 2024 13:16 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 12:55 DarthPunk wrote:On March 13 2024 12:52 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 12:48 DarthPunk wrote:
Vivax if jealous is town what then? Assuming Vivax is successful in getting me mislynched D4, then he's been on a town wagon a confirmed 3 times out of 4, with the jury still out on CopCake, and is either scum or really, really bad this game. Do you think he could be mafia? He's been a default TR for me for so long since his D1 claim that I haven't bothered to see if it was mathematically/logically possible. Assuming it is, then there is always a non-0 chance. Like, what would a scum!Vivax world look like? 1. Claims JK and doesn't get cc'd because there is no JK in this setup. 2. If he's JK, then there has to be a scum RB to RB him every night, which is why he hasn't been able to save anyone as far as we can tell, right? But if he's not JK, then there is no longer that necessity in the setup. In this world, scum!Vivax made an absurd D1 play, and then keeps doing relatively absurd things like not voting to lynch what we now know is cop!Slam's reveal of a scum!Oats and instead helping the wagon of town!VE, then flip-flops between town!VE and (I guess in this world we have to assume?) town!CopCake before parking his vote on CopCake... Because he has a tendency to be erratic so it would be NAI and he thinks that his D1 play will give him enough town cred to shrug off any accusations? Unless I'm missing something, it's theoretically possible, right? Still feels unlikely, though. Not unless he and I are mafia together, There are missing roleblocks. You're gonna have to walk me through this. Well assuming they have a roleblocker over a strongarm The fact that I got a shot off means that vivax has to be a jail keeper unless from your perspective we are paired Vivax says he jailed Slam, so if Vivax gets RB'd, Slam and marv die to 2 Mafia KP, and you get your shot off on TTS, no? Where is the missing RB? Exactly. If vivax is mafia why was he roleblocked? And not me? Ergo He is not mafia. Because if he was a roleblock is missing. Unless you think we are partnered or you think it is likely there is no roleblocker.
Got it. So then I must have misunderstood what you meant when you said "there are missing roleblocks" because now you're saying there aren't any missing roleblocks?
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On March 13 2024 14:09 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 14:02 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 13:43 DarthPunk wrote:On March 13 2024 13:37 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 13:33 DarthPunk wrote:On March 13 2024 13:27 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 13:17 DarthPunk wrote:On March 13 2024 13:16 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 12:55 DarthPunk wrote:On March 13 2024 12:52 Jealous wrote:
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Assuming Vivax is successful in getting me mislynched D4, then he's been on a town wagon a confirmed 3 times out of 4, with the jury still out on CopCake, and is either scum or really, really bad this game. Do you think he could be mafia? He's been a default TR for me for so long since his D1 claim that I haven't bothered to see if it was mathematically/logically possible. Assuming it is, then there is always a non-0 chance. Like, what would a scum!Vivax world look like? 1. Claims JK and doesn't get cc'd because there is no JK in this setup. 2. If he's JK, then there has to be a scum RB to RB him every night, which is why he hasn't been able to save anyone as far as we can tell, right? But if he's not JK, then there is no longer that necessity in the setup. In this world, scum!Vivax made an absurd D1 play, and then keeps doing relatively absurd things like not voting to lynch what we now know is cop!Slam's reveal of a scum!Oats and instead helping the wagon of town!VE, then flip-flops between town!VE and (I guess in this world we have to assume?) town!CopCake before parking his vote on CopCake... Because he has a tendency to be erratic so it would be NAI and he thinks that his D1 play will give him enough town cred to shrug off any accusations? Unless I'm missing something, it's theoretically possible, right? Still feels unlikely, though. Not unless he and I are mafia together, There are missing roleblocks. You're gonna have to walk me through this. Well assuming they have a roleblocker over a strongarm The fact that I got a shot off means that vivax has to be a jail keeper unless from your perspective we are paired Vivax says he jailed Slam, so if Vivax gets RB'd, Slam and marv die to 2 Mafia KP, and you get your shot off on TTS, no? Where is the missing RB? Exactly. If vivax is mafia why was he roleblocked? And not me? Ergo He is not mafia. Because if he was a roleblock is missing. Unless you think we are partnered or you think it is likely there is no roleblocker. Got it. So then I must have misunderstood what you meant when you said "there are missing roleblocks" because now you're saying there aren't any missing roleblocks? It’s context. if you think vivax is mafia there are missing roleblocks I’m phone posting so shortening sentences.
Gotcha. And the only way you two are scum together is if you also decided to bus TTS.
Would be a pretty fucking legendary play though.
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On March 13 2024 14:22 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 12:42 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 12:40 Vivax wrote:On March 13 2024 12:38 DarthPunk wrote:On March 13 2024 12:32 Vivax wrote:
And DP you are being too obtuse about Jealous and MZ for me to place any trust into you at this point. Your confidence interval is too fucking high my dude This is a hard game right now. You're ignoring evidence on Jealous. For two days. And it's not associative. You know how bad it looks for you if he flips scum here. If cop flips town what do we get? Nothing. If she flips scum? Nothing. I am probably the only person who has called Jealous potential mafia in this game. I have yet to see a good reason for him being town that isn't a vote on redchecks. I mean, to be fair, if Cop flips town then I look pretty dang bad and stupid, and iamp looks pretty good because then there would have been no point in him switching votes and painting a target on his back, right? No, Iamp called me mafia for dumb reasons and he is the one who changed the hammer.
If you and VE are both town, scum!iamp has no need to switch votes at all because town would have died regardless.
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On March 13 2024 14:34 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 14:32 DarthPunk wrote:
Cake if you are town and you know you are town then there are some pretty obvious conclusions to draw from that.
You would have a team of Rels+jealous+ who? In that world is either koshi or Palmar.
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@Vivax, forget those old cases I made in my filter which you still have not read, this is my new case.
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On March 13 2024 14:53 DarthPunk wrote:
I’m not even sure what to make of that because it’s too numb to be real
Maybe that is why CopCake says they are a good scum player, because as town they scumslip so much that scumslipping itself becomes NAI, which benefits her when she's scum.
Jokes aside, I can see how this might be just an unfortunate parsing of the question combined with unfortunate phrasing, but man is it unfortunate...
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On March 13 2024 14:53 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 14:49 DarthPunk wrote:On March 13 2024 14:39 CopCake wrote:On March 13 2024 14:37 DarthPunk wrote:On March 13 2024 14:34 CopCake wrote:On March 13 2024 14:32 DarthPunk wrote:
Cake if you are town and you know you are town then there are some pretty obvious conclusions to draw from that.
You would have a team of Rels+jealous+ who? In that world is either koshi or Palmar. Wait. What do you mean “in that world”? In the world you are town? The world is rels and jelaous. Tell me your reads in the world you are town then cake. That is important right now. In all worlds I am town, duh The one I firmly believe more RN is Palmar/Koshi Palmar I posted yesterday Koshi when he told me to shut up I got like ???????? He even said cake focus on something different and I wanted to discuss why his change of heart last minute like yeah kill cake she needs to flip, idk about this, yada yada. I wanted to understand the - feelings - and felt like he closed the door in my face.
Wait, so if you perceive people to be mean to you, that means they are scum?
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On March 13 2024 15:58 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 15:57 CopCake wrote:
Why didnt mafia kill them? Or any other?
Because they were not confirmed town, or they like the directions they were pushing, or they were potential lynch candidates or both. I am really trying to think about the game like you are town right now but fuck you make it hard.
What do you find when you think like she's scum?
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On March 13 2024 23:26 Vivax wrote:
Koshi I will lynch Palmar with you if you look at Jealous.
I think he's the guy with the good role.
There's just nothing townie about what he did today. Nothing. You don't have to read an entire filter just from the start of this day and end of night when he was talking to Rels.
He jumped to a copcake vote from an associative of him not being mafia with her.
Please stop the misrep, it's getting embarrassing.
You've been reading this game wrong since Day 1, maybe it's time to start questioning your world view. For example:
On March 09 2024 15:01 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 13:03 Vivax wrote:On March 09 2024 13:01 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 12:53 Vivax wrote:On March 09 2024 12:49 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 12:21 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 12:08 Vivax wrote:
Very good play by Oats.
Good luck with the copcake shot dp.
VE tomorrow most likely. So you think this was a double bus situation and people used it as an opportunity to look more townie for remaining on Oats? Or maybe this is just a bad idea, to go after the second wagon? And maybe it would be very convenient for some people who spearheaded second wagons? Hmm 🤔 Vivax where you going? These weren't entirely rhetorical, I want to hear your thoughts on this. It‘s the same wifom from him not claiming BG or ccing or claiming another role that made him look townie to me today. Need to reread beginning of a D1 tbh because he seemed off to me and DP. Later I tried to get traction too but can‘t remember who blocked. So you do think it was a double bus? Because otherwise there would be no reason to lynch VE after Oats if it wasn't, right? How should I know ? I don‘t even think about it because it‘s easier to lynch VE and find out.
It‘s like you are trying to construct a ve is town narrative because I can‘t prove it‘s not a double bus smh One last thing I realized before I pass out, it's like you are trying to construct a triple bus narrative with the bolded above. Namely, by saying that scum!Jealous would defend scum!VE by not voting for scum!VE over scum!Oats and being one of the people who was first to vote for scum!Oats against scum!Oats' direct pressure against scum!Jealous and scum!Jealous remaining on the scum!Oats wagon. In this world, scum!Jealous pressures you on your scum!VE narrative right after the lynch to make it the full triple triangle super scum bus, right? Pretty sure that is the only way to interpret your accusation. TLDR: Do you really think that scum!Jealous + scum!Oats + scum!VE and triple bus by scum!Jealous makes sense, which is the narrative you were trying to paint here?
You never answered (why?), but you do see how stupid this narrative was, right? To your slight credit you at least ended up on CopCake instead of VE, but the fact remains that immediately after you nearly achieved a ML on VE over a redchecked Oats on D2 you were ready to do it again D3.
The great part of the above quote is that it serves as further evidence that I've consistently considered CopCake my top scum both before and after the redcheck, and since then (because I'm pushing back against your decision to lynch VE D3, just for clarity). Nothing about her play has significantly changed or changed my perspective on that - so why would I pivot off of it?
You misrep my case on CopCake because you simply don't bother to read my filter where I made several cases on her. In fact, you seem to have skipped my most recent post which conveniently outlined a summary of my previous points for you. Somehow this is now just an association vote. Fuck outta here with that.
Go ahead and tunnel on me, I'm not going to bother defending myself further against a person who misreps me after refusing to read my filter.
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On March 13 2024 23:59 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 23:58 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 23:26 Vivax wrote:
Koshi I will lynch Palmar with you if you look at Jealous.
I think he's the guy with the good role.
There's just nothing townie about what he did today. Nothing. You don't have to read an entire filter just from the start of this day and end of night when he was talking to Rels.
He jumped to a copcake vote from an associative of him not being mafia with her. Please stop the misrep, it's getting embarrassing. You've been reading this game wrong since Day 1, maybe it's time to start questioning your world view. For example: On March 09 2024 15:01 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 13:03 Vivax wrote:On March 09 2024 13:01 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 12:53 Vivax wrote:On March 09 2024 12:49 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 12:21 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 12:08 Vivax wrote:
Very good play by Oats.
Good luck with the copcake shot dp.
VE tomorrow most likely. So you think this was a double bus situation and people used it as an opportunity to look more townie for remaining on Oats? Or maybe this is just a bad idea, to go after the second wagon? And maybe it would be very convenient for some people who spearheaded second wagons? Hmm 🤔 Vivax where you going? These weren't entirely rhetorical, I want to hear your thoughts on this. It‘s the same wifom from him not claiming BG or ccing or claiming another role that made him look townie to me today. Need to reread beginning of a D1 tbh because he seemed off to me and DP. Later I tried to get traction too but can‘t remember who blocked. So you do think it was a double bus? Because otherwise there would be no reason to lynch VE after Oats if it wasn't, right? How should I know ? I don‘t even think about it because it‘s easier to lynch VE and find out.
It‘s like you are trying to construct a ve is town narrative because I can‘t prove it‘s not a double bus smh One last thing I realized before I pass out, it's like you are trying to construct a triple bus narrative with the bolded above. Namely, by saying that scum!Jealous would defend scum!VE by not voting for scum!VE over scum!Oats and being one of the people who was first to vote for scum!Oats against scum!Oats' direct pressure against scum!Jealous and scum!Jealous remaining on the scum!Oats wagon. In this world, scum!Jealous pressures you on your scum!VE narrative right after the lynch to make it the full triple triangle super scum bus, right? Pretty sure that is the only way to interpret your accusation. TLDR: Do you really think that scum!Jealous + scum!Oats + scum!VE and triple bus by scum!Jealous makes sense, which is the narrative you were trying to paint here? You never answered (why?), but you do see how stupid this narrative was, right? To your slight credit you at least ended up on CopCake instead of VE, but the fact remains that immediately after you nearly achieved a ML on VE over a redchecked Oats on D2 you were ready to do it again D3. The great part of the above quote is that it serves as further evidence that I've consistently considered CopCake my top scum both before and after the redcheck, and since then (because I'm pushing back against your decision to lynch VE D3, just for clarity). Nothing about her play has significantly changed or changed my perspective on that - so why would I pivot off of it? You misrep my case on CopCake because you simply don't bother to read my filter where I made several cases on her. In fact, you seem to have skipped my most recent post which conveniently outlined a summary of my previous points for you. Somehow this is now just an association vote. Fuck outta here with that. Go ahead and tunnel on me, I'm not going to bother defending myself further against a person who misreps me after refusing to read my filter. Will you vote palmar?
If it starts looking like my vote on CopCake will be a waste, I will consider it. I'm certainly not confident enough in my read on him at this time to outright discount it.
I've been following the discourse on Palmar and I do understand the points being made against him. What somewhat bothers me is that he has been pretty consistent in his overall approach to the game, which seems like a foolish thing to do when it's what's netting you scum reads and pressure if you can help it, which I think Palmar can. Furthermore, there are potentially points to be made against the people making the pushes (some of them, including you, are not my firmest town reads at this point). So, I don't feel comfortable just sheeping it when in my mind CopCake has been a more egregious dumpster fire.
However, that might be just because I haven't read Palmar's filter in a while. Before the cycle is done, I will do that + reread the past few pages of cases made against Palmar to see if it clicks for me.
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On March 14 2024 00:03 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 23:59 Koshi wrote:On March 06 2024 08:48 Jealous wrote:On March 06 2024 08:28 Palmar wrote:
I think Jealous is complaining (he didn't quote it correctly) about my post encouraging Hapa to just play at a lower effort level.
I disagree with Jealous, I think that was a very townie post by me. Yea, my apologies, I only realized on the re-read that I somehow lost that post into somewhere else. But, I'm glad you brought it up. For posterity (so everyone else knows what I was referring to): On March 05 2024 23:58 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 23:50 Hapahauli wrote:
Not a damn thing. I don't want to be a buzz kill or anything, but I literally cannot bring myself to even try every time I sit down and try to start You don't actually have to read the thread, god knows I haven't. Just start talking with people. Mafia is incredibly hard and these people spam like their life depends on it. You just kinda have to accept that you're not playing at 100% capacity and be okay with it. Admitting you haven't read the thread just doesn't feel like a smart thing to be doing regardless of whether you're mafia or town IMO, but especially town. If you're not trying to catch inconsistencies, see apparent partnerships or dissect whether a conflict is genuine or manufactured, what are we doing here? Like, yea, asking questions and using that info to inform your decisions is a thing you're supposed to do, but without a frame of reference it just feels like it's not helping town and can just lead to more confusion than anything. But, you're a more experienced player than me and might have just been trying to be kind to Hapa, I can concede that. In general I liked how you've been posting recently for the most part, but you were also under the microscope for a bit so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Looking forward to see what you do going forward. The bolded is something that I call disengaging. Shows you dont really want to talk to this person. Another thing that I notice is that Jealous asks at least 5 times after his read post on an opinion on JAT. Which is fucking weird.because JAT was a non factor this entire game. Not necessarily true. Jat was a major wagon day 1.
Basically this. I catch up to the thread and it's JAT vs. Trfel, I look into Koshi's argument on Trfel and ask for someone to help me understand why JAT over Trfel the same way Koshi helped me look into why Trfel over JAT.
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On March 14 2024 00:19 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 15:41 Jealous wrote:On March 12 2024 15:35 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 12 2024 15:23 Jealous wrote:
Can you elaborate on why CC is town now that VE is town? Because instead of taking the easy dogpile on the wagon, she voted for herself? I mean yeah that is pretty much it tbh. In the situation where be and cc are scum they might be helpless and both self vote and be sad in qt right? But they aren't, game isn't hopeless, at least two hidden or semi hidden scum out there. Cupcake would have at least the most basic social requirement to them to hold on slightly longer so they have more chance of winning. Hence cc is town who feels they are playing solo and depressed. Thanks. Not pressuring you directly FWIW, just wanted to bounce ideas and have it said to me in a different way than the way I have been reading it myself through the WIFOM/WIOM fog. Fucked up part is I can totally see it this way. Have to do some thinking about whether coached scum!CopCake can pull this off for a worst-case 1 for 1 with VE, knowing that both are likely to be lynched, you know? I can see the TvT lynch scenario now for the same reasons you listed, though. Need a clearer mind to wade through the BS. Sad part is both played so scummy IMO that it's hard to accept an alternative to one of them being scum, but it does indeed feel more likely than before  Jealous why did you vote cc after this point made by JSL
Because even though I can acknowledge a point someone made and their genuine belief in it, I can still feel that my original position makes more sense overall? It may have shifted my confidence from 90% to 80% but not enough to get me to change my mind entirely?
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Bro, after coming into the game like 36 hours late I sheeped your read and vote on Trfel, which in your world looks bad for me that I didn't vote for JAT? Lmao
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On March 14 2024 00:31 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 00:30 Jealous wrote:
Bro, after coming into the game like 36 hours late I sheeped your read and vote on Trfel, which in your world looks bad for me that I didn't vote for JAT? Lmao Some say trfel was iamps wagon, some say it was mine depending on how it suits them at the moment. You spend too much time arguing about my bad votes when you should know I‘m confirmed town so that makes you a lowly shitflinger, not a scumhunter
Was responding to Koshi, because Koshi is the one who gave me the read on Trfel on D1.
The timing of the posts here was unfortunate because your post came up between mine and Koshi's, so I can forgive the self-insert here, but as I said earlier, I'm done defending myself against you. For example, your most recent interpretation of my scum!iamp quote is the most ungenerous interpretation possible, because you already scum read me and will just twist any post you find to fit your narrative. That's fine, keep digging that tunnel.
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On March 14 2024 00:33 Vivax wrote:
You put special emphasis on how I voted Ve when you were on Oats but you had no intention of calling me mafia
You can‘t prove you‘re town so you have to resort to discrediting.
I'm not trying to prove that you are scum because as I've said in every single reads post I've made, I don't think that it's likely. I'm demonstrating that your approach to the game has been consistently wrong. A town who consistently mislynches towns and starts wagons on towns is just being a bad town player. My defense against your accusations is that accusations coming from someone who has consistently been wrong shouldn't hold water. So, in essence, yes, I am discrediting you.
I don't have a role claim to hide behind to prove I am town. If VTs could just prove without a shadow of a doubt that they are town, then there wouldn't be much of a point to this game, would it?
I pointed out that my vote on Oats never wavered while many others' did. But, that doesn't prove I'm town. It's just one piece of information in a bigger picture. Another would be that I've been scumreading TTS from the start. But, again, that doesn't prove I'm town. I could point out that if CopCake gets lynched and flips scum, then I'll have essentially bussed three of my supposed teammates, while you tunneled on town!VE. But CopCake didn't get lynched, VE did, and it doesn't look like CopCake is getting lynched today either, so I don't have proof there either.
No matter how you slice it, besides you getting a role PM and then claiming it on D1, your actions would look objectively worse than mine (not saying that claiming D1 was a great move either). But because you put yourself in this position of being practically confirmed town, you think that makes you above reproach. It doesn't.
In short, OMGUS.
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On March 14 2024 00:48 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 00:46 Jealous wrote:On March 14 2024 00:33 Vivax wrote:
You put special emphasis on how I voted Ve when you were on Oats but you had no intention of calling me mafia
You can‘t prove you‘re town so you have to resort to discrediting. I'm not trying to prove that you are scum because as I've said in every single reads post I've made, I don't think that it's likely. I'm demonstrating that your approach to the game has been consistently wrong. A town who consistently mislynches towns and starts wagons on towns is just being a bad town player. My defense against your accusations is that accusations coming from someone who has consistently been wrong shouldn't hold water. So, in essence, yes, I am discrediting you. I don't have a role claim to hide behind to prove I am town. If VTs could just prove without a shadow of a doubt that they are town, then there wouldn't be much of a point to this game, would it? I pointed out that my vote on Oats never wavered while many others' did. But, that doesn't prove I'm town. It's just one piece of information in a bigger picture. Another would be that I've been scumreading TTS from the start. But, again, that doesn't prove I'm town. I could point out that if CopCake gets lynched and flips scum, then I'll have essentially bussed three of my supposed teammates, while you tunneled on town!VE. But CopCake didn't get lynched, VE did, and it doesn't look like CopCake is getting lynched today either, so I don't have proof there either. No matter how you slice it, besides you getting a role PM and then claiming it on D1, your actions would look objectively worse than mine (not saying that claiming D1 was a great move either). But because you put yourself in this position of being practically confirmed town, you think that makes you above reproach. It doesn't. In short, OMGUS. Ah yes. More wall of texts talking to confirmed town. Just what we needed.
Talking to confirmed town that is going to drive yet another mislynch wagon with their tunnel vision, yes. But you're right, I said I'm done talking to Vivax because it's clear he is dug in and will never change his mind, so I'm just wasting my breath by continuing.
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On March 14 2024 00:47 Koshi wrote:
Jealous, dmb, JAT and Palmar just need to talk about Jealous, dmb, JAT and Palmar.
DP and CC need to stfu.
MZ will do fine because he is one of the few still doing the work.
Rels is the town hero that currently is addicted to hookers & cocaine but will turn his life around and lead us to victory once again.
I was pretty much locked town on DMB after Oats voted to lynch her in D2 within 13 seconds of Slam posting the Oats reveal (according to Slam).
However, Rels brought up a good point here:
https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=271#5414
Basically, Oats had been building the DMB case for a long time, so auto-voting DMB doesn't necessarily preclude them from being town. It's WIFOM, but would scum!Oats spend the early game building a case against scum!DMB and then auto-vote them at start of D2? Rels seems to think so. I find it unlikely, but with this case, Rels certainly introduced doubt into the equation. Furthermore, DMB was one of the people that CopCake gave a default TR to after inviting them to that tea party.
Frankly I find it hard to put a finger on DMB's play in general because much like CopCake, I feel like I am either not understanding what they are saying or they aren't making sense a lot of the time, which makes it frustrating to follow their play/logic and form a read on them. So, I've been sticking to my default TR up until now. I do recall some good posts from them, but also some not great ones. I guess I'll bite the bullet and dive DMB after Palmar later today.
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On March 14 2024 00:54 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 00:52 Jealous wrote:On March 14 2024 00:48 Koshi wrote:On March 14 2024 00:46 Jealous wrote:On March 14 2024 00:33 Vivax wrote:
You put special emphasis on how I voted Ve when you were on Oats but you had no intention of calling me mafia
You can‘t prove you‘re town so you have to resort to discrediting. I'm not trying to prove that you are scum because as I've said in every single reads post I've made, I don't think that it's likely. I'm demonstrating that your approach to the game has been consistently wrong. A town who consistently mislynches towns and starts wagons on towns is just being a bad town player. My defense against your accusations is that accusations coming from someone who has consistently been wrong shouldn't hold water. So, in essence, yes, I am discrediting you. I don't have a role claim to hide behind to prove I am town. If VTs could just prove without a shadow of a doubt that they are town, then there wouldn't be much of a point to this game, would it? I pointed out that my vote on Oats never wavered while many others' did. But, that doesn't prove I'm town. It's just one piece of information in a bigger picture. Another would be that I've been scumreading TTS from the start. But, again, that doesn't prove I'm town. I could point out that if CopCake gets lynched and flips scum, then I'll have essentially bussed three of my supposed teammates, while you tunneled on town!VE. But CopCake didn't get lynched, VE did, and it doesn't look like CopCake is getting lynched today either, so I don't have proof there either. No matter how you slice it, besides you getting a role PM and then claiming it on D1, your actions would look objectively worse than mine (not saying that claiming D1 was a great move either). But because you put yourself in this position of being practically confirmed town, you think that makes you above reproach. It doesn't. In short, OMGUS. Ah yes. More wall of texts talking to confirmed town. Just what we needed. Talking to confirmed town that is going to drive yet another mislynch wagon with their tunnel vision, yes. But you're right, I said I'm done talking to Vivax because it's clear he is dug in and will never change his mind, so I'm just wasting my breath by continuing. How you know mislynch. Why not just go read palmar?
Because I'm town and lynching town is a mislynch?
Because I'm hopping back and forth from work, when diving filters I'd prefer to do it on a break or after my shift.
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On March 14 2024 00:58 Vivax wrote:
Rels did something good by voting copcake and it was to give Jealous the comfort zone to attempt to park there again and not look elsewhere for the rest of the day.
It‘s like Jealous thought it was over the moment he finished his convo with him.
That‘s when you pull up and drag him out of the bed he made.
He voted as I was responding to a post, and in the post I wrote, I wrote that I would be voting for CopCake. Without having ever seen his post that indicated he voted for CopCake. I even pointed it out as soon as I saw it happen. Doesn't matter though, you're full tunneled.
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On March 14 2024 01:10 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 01:02 Jealous wrote:On March 14 2024 00:54 iamperfection wrote:On March 14 2024 00:52 Jealous wrote:On March 14 2024 00:48 Koshi wrote:On March 14 2024 00:46 Jealous wrote:On March 14 2024 00:33 Vivax wrote:
You put special emphasis on how I voted Ve when you were on Oats but you had no intention of calling me mafia
You can‘t prove you‘re town so you have to resort to discrediting. I'm not trying to prove that you are scum because as I've said in every single reads post I've made, I don't think that it's likely. I'm demonstrating that your approach to the game has been consistently wrong. A town who consistently mislynches towns and starts wagons on towns is just being a bad town player. My defense against your accusations is that accusations coming from someone who has consistently been wrong shouldn't hold water. So, in essence, yes, I am discrediting you. I don't have a role claim to hide behind to prove I am town. If VTs could just prove without a shadow of a doubt that they are town, then there wouldn't be much of a point to this game, would it? I pointed out that my vote on Oats never wavered while many others' did. But, that doesn't prove I'm town. It's just one piece of information in a bigger picture. Another would be that I've been scumreading TTS from the start. But, again, that doesn't prove I'm town. I could point out that if CopCake gets lynched and flips scum, then I'll have essentially bussed three of my supposed teammates, while you tunneled on town!VE. But CopCake didn't get lynched, VE did, and it doesn't look like CopCake is getting lynched today either, so I don't have proof there either. No matter how you slice it, besides you getting a role PM and then claiming it on D1, your actions would look objectively worse than mine (not saying that claiming D1 was a great move either). But because you put yourself in this position of being practically confirmed town, you think that makes you above reproach. It doesn't. In short, OMGUS. Ah yes. More wall of texts talking to confirmed town. Just what we needed. Talking to confirmed town that is going to drive yet another mislynch wagon with their tunnel vision, yes. But you're right, I said I'm done talking to Vivax because it's clear he is dug in and will never change his mind, so I'm just wasting my breath by continuing. How you know mislynch. Why not just go read palmar? Because I'm town and lynching town is a mislynch? Because I'm hopping back and forth from work, when diving filters I'd prefer to do it on a break or after my shift. He isn't even voting you?
He stated pretty firmly that making this case on me is all he wants to do today, so even if he hasn't gotten around to voting for me, I think the inferred intent is pretty obvious, hence "going to." But, semantics, etc.
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Damn, some of those Koshi posts look even worse than I remember them to be. Good dig, CopCake.
I think the "pitting DP against CopCake" seems a bit too paranoid for me to jump on. DP seems like the type of person who would do whatever they felt like, whenever they felt like it. I doubt anyone could coerce him to cause drama for no reason. This is probably aided by the fact that I perceived a lot of your posts/"style" the same way he did, and no one pushed me to do that, either.
Back to Koshi, the changes in reads on people like MZ feel almost gut-based, or at least they are not fully explained. I don't think that's necessarily AI overall; several people here seem to hop from one wagon to another, change their reads on a dime, etc. and they can't all be scum. Specific instances can open the window for pressure though, so I like that CopCake pointed out specific inconsistencies. Let's see what Koshi does in response.
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