On March 09 2024 10:57 Oatsmaster wrote: Town Vivax: JK no words necessary
Jsl: uncced GS
Slam: I think the abstract sort of confusion that slam has operated in for the majority of the 2 days is very townie and he has expressed very clear opinions and reads of people so I absolutely think he’s lock town. Not to mention cop etc
DP: he’s been actively pushing to lynch me this entire cycle which I don’t think mafia would do here, much safer to just go with the flow and not actively keep pushing. He’s also started actually giving reads this latter half of the day and scumhunting which again, doesn’t make sense for mafia to do.
Iamp: very townie pushes that he felt invested in and actually wanted to see the dead people. Kinda the reverse of dp, he’s been hard on not lynching me here which again makes no sense for mafia to do because it’s super easy to tmi and mess up especially with the day starting the way it did with everyone believing it
Marv: I was hesitant early on day 1 when he was playing mostly in the dm with rayn but I think at this point the Palmar push was good and I see absolutely no reason mafia!marv discloses that rayn told him who he was targeting with his night action. I do also like that he called out mz’s nonsense today.
Cake: this is a read I’ve been flip flopping throughout the game but at this point I’m settled on her being firmly town, I think the jealous thing especially that happened today is townie because it only draws attention to her and it didn’t feel manufactured or plannned.
Koshi: ngl this read has been fading throughout today. The mid part of day 1 I had a really solid townread on him but I don’t like that his activity has dived so much. However I do like that he’s not voting for me so he’s still firmly town.
Jealous: Said earlier today but I think that his scumhunting efforts have been good and he feels like he wants to solve the game and find the mafia.
DMB: same as the last post about her, none of what she’s doing makes sense as mafia, I’m treating the dumb telling as nai and I mean the dp push is misguided but it feels like she cares
Palmar: slow start but he’s posted a fair bunch today. I don’t think mafia Palmar has to capacity do that rayn post and I also don’t think mafia Palmar gets off of me onto VE.
Mafia Rels: the way that rels has approached today is atrocious. He’s just come in here, stuck his vote on me and left. This is in addition to his day 1 malaise and overreaction in the night.
Mz: Not actually progressing through reads well. The way he approached his cake read was fully odd and not natural with that night post seemingly not to realize that he was literally complaining about his top scum read. I fully expect him to end up on me before the day ends.
Jat: the day 1 super marv sheep without actually reading marv as town was not good and he hasn’t used today at all to advance any of his reads, just content to sit on me and do some waffle
Tts: the insane “I’m a noob idk what is going on” thing is not it and he’s played exactly how I think mafia would play today, just act confused then place a vote
VE: comes into the game terribly saying he’s gonna be active but just doesn’t play. His outrage doesn’t feel real in his posts and he seems like he’s just struggling to actually take an interest in scumhunting
———————- Do not fucking lynch slam ever no matter if I flip miller or VT or I will end you after this game.
Damn dude we very similar reads and I came around to the idea that you were town and you're still scumreading me?
I have spent far too much time over the last day trying to discern your alignment, I'm sticking with town. I'm just gonna assume you've got lost reading too much Koshi and vivax who are scum reading me despite also sharing similar reads.
On March 09 2024 11:47 iamperfection wrote: copcake with a ninja vote nice
Jesus that's terrible.
Well in a way it reinforces in my mind that Oats is town since my assumption of scum!cake doesn't want to be anywhere near the flip but that the same time who fucking knows.
Lolol after all that time discussing if frame occured when really it was the framer the whole time.
Gj to the folks who stuck that lynch through, should have stuck with my gut and not get lost in the vivax/koshi sauce there. Oh well, my fault for talking myself into it.
On March 09 2024 01:14 CopCake wrote: Well if you are not miller, what are you?
It is not logical to think he is setting up a slam lynch if you flip miller.
And Framer I think is pretty low.
Idk if I am seeing that correctly.
I believe you are town and miller.
VT that got framed? Which mafia would know?
If you knew slam was cop it isnt so hard to frame the bolded ? in his read list. I didnt check time stamps.
This might be the smartest thing you've posted koshi.
Reading through Slam's D1 and Oats is his most consistent scumread. It could also explain why Slam didn't die last night.
I don't understand the last part, can you extend on it?
It's irrelevant now but at that point I was thinking scum could have decided to gamble and leave slam alive in order to try and mess with his check by using a framer, turns out they did have one but we got em.
On March 09 2024 12:08 Vivax wrote: Very good play by Oats. Good luck with the copcake shot dp.
VE tomorrow most likely.
So you think this was a double bus situation and people used it as an opportunity to look more townie for remaining on Oats?
Or maybe this is just a bad idea, to go after the second wagon?
And maybe it would be very convenient for some people who spearheaded second wagons?
Hmm 🤔
Vivax where you going? These weren't entirely rhetorical, I want to hear your thoughts on this.
It‘s the same wifom from him not claiming BG or ccing or claiming another role that made him look townie to me today.
Need to reread beginning of a D1 tbh because he seemed off to me and DP. Later I tried to get traction too but can‘t remember who blocked.
So you do think it was a double bus? Because otherwise there would be no reason to lynch VE after Oats if it wasn't, right?
How should I know ? I don‘t even think about it because it‘s easier to lynch VE and find out.
It‘s like you are trying to construct a ve is town narrative because I can‘t prove it‘s not a double bus smh
I didn't ask you to prove it, it's more like I'm wondering why "VE is 100% the next lynch" is your proven stance on the issue. Hence "think," also. I'm not asking for you to bend time and space. Basically all you have to do is say is you believe that the outcomes of this vote, the shennanies that happened before it, and the fact that people pushed other wagons don't change anything and we should still try to lynch VE. Just say that.
I am now very interested in this line of questioning.
On March 09 2024 01:14 CopCake wrote: Well if you are not miller, what are you?
It is not logical to think he is setting up a slam lynch if you flip miller.
And Framer I think is pretty low.
Idk if I am seeing that correctly.
I believe you are town and miller.
VT that got framed? Which mafia would know?
If you knew slam was cop it isnt so hard to frame the bolded ? in his read list. I didnt check time stamps.
This might be the smartest thing you've posted koshi.
Reading through Slam's D1 and Oats is his most consistent scumread. It could also explain why Slam didn't die last night.
I don't understand the last part, can you extend on it?
It's irrelevant now but at that point I was thinking scum could have decided to gamble and leave slam alive in order to try and mess with his check by using a framer, turns out they did have one but we got em.
Didn't you get this thought from someone else like 2 hours before lynch or am I just misremembering? For the first 90% of D2 you believed that this was basically an impossible outcome, no?
You're misremembering, I starting to doubt myself last night but this post from koshi this morning was what really got me thinking.
On March 09 2024 13:12 Rels wrote: I'm happy that a scum flipped, and I'm fucking happy one of the first things I found in this game turned out to be right when nobody else saw it
Man help yourself to a healthy portion of the credit for that flip why don't you. You didn't find anything so let's not go using this as free town points when you haven't really done much of anything
That'd be like me trying to claim I was a critical part of that push on Oats because I yelled at people who didn't vote him for the first part of the day lol and disregarding my 180 on him.
Not trying to be a dick Rels but it's not really a good look for you to try and so obviously grab town points for something you had nothing to do with.
On March 09 2024 01:14 CopCake wrote: Well if you are not miller, what are you?
It is not logical to think he is setting up a slam lynch if you flip miller.
And Framer I think is pretty low.
Idk if I am seeing that correctly.
I believe you are town and miller.
VT that got framed? Which mafia would know?
If you knew slam was cop it isnt so hard to frame the bolded ? in his read list. I didnt check time stamps.
This might be the smartest thing you've posted koshi.
Reading through Slam's D1 and Oats is his most consistent scumread. It could also explain why Slam didn't die last night.
I don't understand the last part, can you extend on it?
It's irrelevant now but at that point I was thinking scum could have decided to gamble and leave slam alive in order to try and mess with his check by using a framer, turns out they did have one but we got em.
Didn't you get this thought from someone else like 2 hours before lynch or am I just misremembering? For the first 90% of D2 you believed that this was basically an impossible outcome, no?
You're misremembering, I starting to doubt myself last night but this post from koshi this morning was what really got me thinking.
On March 09 2024 02:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 09 2024 02:24 Koshi wrote:
On March 09 2024 01:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 09 2024 01:14 CopCake wrote: Well if you are not miller, what are you?
It is not logical to think he is setting up a slam lynch if you flip miller.
And Framer I think is pretty low.
Idk if I am seeing that correctly.
I believe you are town and miller.
VT that got framed? Which mafia would know?
If you knew slam was cop it isnt so hard to frame the bolded ? in his read list. I didnt check time stamps.
This might be the smartest thing you've posted koshi.
Reading through Slam's D1 and Oats is his most consistent scumread. It could also explain why Slam didn't die last night.
This was about 10 hours ago, not 2
Fair, apologies. I do remember this interaction, just underestimated how far it was from EOD because their were several bursts of catching up while working today.
Personally and regardless of the real %chance number, I think this play you described is REALLY unlikely, period. Basically, I was always in agreement with your initial approach to the issue, not the one it became by EOD/vote. But, I understand that pendulums can swing hard when it comes to perception.
Yeah obvious hindsight is obvious but I let the certainty some people had in Oat's alignment start to color my perception since I didn't really have a strong read on oats before the check. this post was where things started to go south in the way I was reading the oats and the whole situation last night.