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On March 11 2024 01:22 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 01:14 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 01:11 iamperfection wrote:On March 11 2024 01:07 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 00:48 iamperfection wrote:On March 11 2024 00:42 Jealous wrote:On March 10 2024 15:05 CopCake wrote:On March 10 2024 12:43 Vivax wrote:On March 10 2024 12:41 Rels wrote:
With this out of the way, going to bed. Very interested to see how CopCake handles this (still thinks she's town but interested nonetheless) How can you think that? She‘s like the witch doctor on team dire at this point. Just going in wolololo at the game when she posts. ##vote: copcake I am town but I want to quit the game, I am not enjoying it like I tend to do it.Rayn might get a bit annoyed but I am a sensitive person and if I do not like something, I just quit. Same happened when Slam was having a difficult moment, I felt bad so I wanted out. On March 10 2024 18:23 CopCake wrote:On March 10 2024 18:17 DarthPunk wrote:On March 10 2024 18:10 CopCake wrote:On March 10 2024 18:08 Palmar wrote:
So I barely read the OP but we are assuming that either mafia shit Vivax to get a random kill on a bodyguard or that they have a strongarm to murder slam ? - mafia blocks vivax - - kills slam - I dont see the use of a strongarm there Oh really? Btw this is the type of attitude why I don't want to play, I feel like a wounded stray dog forced to come to a coliseum to fight lions. Hmm, the bold very interesting in the context of this post: On March 06 2024 22:33 CopCake wrote:
And you know I find appeal to emotion tasteless, I brag a lot of being very good scum.
So, go ahead and lynch me next day. I am just going to say I am dissapointed. I was going to keep quiet on it because I felt a bit bad for a moment and didn't feel the need to dogpile the CopCake wagon further (and my vote is locked), but the more I thought about it the more I realized that it's just inconsistency and hypocrisy. More to come. Have you read old cop games? I've played with them once a long time ago. Why? so you dont want to look at past games or what? Don't really feel the need to in this case? Can you maybe tell me what you think I'd find there and what relevance it has in this context? That would save me a whole lot of time, and if you make a compelling argument, that would justify further time investment. I already got burned once by "looking into rayn x Palmar" as suggested by Vivax and wasting a whole lot of time for a whole lot of nothing. I was pondering something but when i look at it more in context i dont think its true so not worth sharing.
This was a pretty rapid development from questioning me to saying it was for nothing. Humor me please, what were you trying to imply about their past games, even if it is not contextually relevant? Just so that we get something out of this line of discussion.
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On March 11 2024 01:32 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 01:30 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 01:22 iamperfection wrote:On March 11 2024 01:14 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 01:11 iamperfection wrote:On March 11 2024 01:07 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 00:48 iamperfection wrote:On March 11 2024 00:42 Jealous wrote:On March 10 2024 15:05 CopCake wrote:On March 10 2024 12:43 Vivax wrote:
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How can you think that?
She‘s like the witch doctor on team dire at this point. Just going in wolololo at the game when she posts. ##vote: copcake I am town but I want to quit the game, I am not enjoying it like I tend to do it.Rayn might get a bit annoyed but I am a sensitive person and if I do not like something, I just quit. Same happened when Slam was having a difficult moment, I felt bad so I wanted out. On March 10 2024 18:23 CopCake wrote:On March 10 2024 18:17 DarthPunk wrote:
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Oh really? Btw this is the type of attitude why I don't want to play, I feel like a wounded stray dog forced to come to a coliseum to fight lions. Hmm, the bold very interesting in the context of this post: On March 06 2024 22:33 CopCake wrote:
And you know I find appeal to emotion tasteless, I brag a lot of being very good scum.
So, go ahead and lynch me next day. I am just going to say I am dissapointed. I was going to keep quiet on it because I felt a bit bad for a moment and didn't feel the need to dogpile the CopCake wagon further (and my vote is locked), but the more I thought about it the more I realized that it's just inconsistency and hypocrisy. More to come. Have you read old cop games? I've played with them once a long time ago. Why? so you dont want to look at past games or what? Don't really feel the need to in this case? Can you maybe tell me what you think I'd find there and what relevance it has in this context? That would save me a whole lot of time, and if you make a compelling argument, that would justify further time investment. I already got burned once by "looking into rayn x Palmar" as suggested by Vivax and wasting a whole lot of time for a whole lot of nothing. I was pondering something but when i look at it more in context i dont think its true so not worth sharing. This was a pretty rapid development from questioning me to saying it was for nothing. Humor me please, what were you trying to imply about their past games, even if it is not contextually relevant? Just so that we get something out of this line of discussion. they post less as mafia. but if you look at the recent mafia game its less posting then here but in context of the game it was one of the largest filters in the game.
I mean, they also spend 5 posts at a time exploring the same topic, one sentence at a time, sometimes consecutively. So volume isn't a good metric for them in this game IMO. It's not like they've actually typed all that many words total; their filter is more than double mine by post volume, but in terms of word count, I'd reckon mine is bigger than theirs, for example.
But, no matter. I think they were active enough where their level of activity is NAI IMO. Compared to someone like TTS, VE, etc.
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On March 11 2024 01:47 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 01:36 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 01:32 iamperfection wrote:On March 11 2024 01:30 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 01:22 iamperfection wrote:On March 11 2024 01:14 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 01:11 iamperfection wrote:On March 11 2024 01:07 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 00:48 iamperfection wrote:On March 11 2024 00:42 Jealous wrote:
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Hmm, the bold very interesting in the context of this post:
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I was going to keep quiet on it because I felt a bit bad for a moment and didn't feel the need to dogpile the CopCake wagon further (and my vote is locked), but the more I thought about it the more I realized that it's just inconsistency and hypocrisy. More to come. Have you read old cop games? I've played with them once a long time ago. Why? so you dont want to look at past games or what? Don't really feel the need to in this case? Can you maybe tell me what you think I'd find there and what relevance it has in this context? That would save me a whole lot of time, and if you make a compelling argument, that would justify further time investment. I already got burned once by "looking into rayn x Palmar" as suggested by Vivax and wasting a whole lot of time for a whole lot of nothing. I was pondering something but when i look at it more in context i dont think its true so not worth sharing. This was a pretty rapid development from questioning me to saying it was for nothing. Humor me please, what were you trying to imply about their past games, even if it is not contextually relevant? Just so that we get something out of this line of discussion. they post less as mafia. but if you look at the recent mafia game its less posting then here but in context of the game it was one of the largest filters in the game. I mean, they also spend 5 posts at a time exploring the same topic, one sentence at a time, sometimes consecutively. So volume isn't a good metric for them in this game IMO. It's not like they've actually typed all that many words total; their filter is more than double mine by post volume, but in terms of word count, I'd reckon mine is bigger than theirs, for example. But, no matter. I think they were active enough where their level of activity is NAI IMO. Compared to someone like TTS, VE, etc. so vote ve no?
CopCake first, and if nothing drastic happens, I am fine with voting VE next cycle.
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On March 11 2024 02:29 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 02:25 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 11 2024 01:53 Vivax wrote:
I‘m going to vote VE for sure after he smugly hinted at being rber in the post I quoted On March 11 2024 00:03 Vivax wrote:On March 10 2024 13:45 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 10 2024 12:17 iamperfection wrote:On March 10 2024 12:16 Jealous wrote:
So just to be clear, Vivax JK's Slam, and slam dies anyway, but so does marv. That means that there were two shots on Slam, one to break JK and one to kill. I am a bit tipsy and I want to make sure I understand this correctly. or just a roleblock on vivax which i think is likely I agree this is most likely. ##Vote: CopCake/salute ##Vote: VE This one? The jealous post with double shot/breaking JK is obvious nonsense imo. Doesn‘t work like that mechanically unless he meant strongarm. VE doesn‘t realize that and just corrects him with roleblock being most likely.
Yea I meant strong arm and again, yeah I fucked up and forgot about the possibility of RB.
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On March 11 2024 07:25 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Actually, to wrap things up, Jealous could you give your complete updated list at this point?
3) DarthPunk - I always TR'd him, and my mason with him did nothing to change this. I got more confident in my town read but also more paranoid that I was just getting smarmed by a very proficient player. However, I think the shot basically has to confirm him as town at this point. I can still see a world where killing TTS with the shot to earn near-infinite town cred is a slight possibility, but Ockham's has treated me well so far and I will stick to it. So, for now, operating on the assumption that he is infallible town.
4) Vivax - Same story for Vivax, at this point I basically have to assume he is town, despite the fact that i have not been much of a fan of his posting over the past cycle or two. It's almost like he got his mayor role and now gets to throw his weight around and not try too hard. Not to say he wasn't active, of course. I am still willing to give the benefit of the doubt and believe that the VE second wagon was an "experiment" of sorts, and trying to counter-pressure me with "I think you're only bringing this up to clear VE's name" was a lazy play where he didn't map out the interactions that would have to happen for this to be true (a triple bus triangle). Lazy!mayor is still far more likely than superluckyuncc'dscum!mayor IMO.
8) Jealous - I'm VT.
9) Meapak_Ziphh - I feel like other players have found way more fault with your play than I have, but I haven't dove you in a while. This recent series of posts is high effort, and I can only imagine what a slog my filter must have been. I am definitely leaning town but you're not a null hypothesis town for me like DP/Vivax.
10) Palmar - I'm still struggling to put my finger on Palmar's play completely. A lot of it feels pretty lazy. That might be a self-preservation tactic. Yet it reeks confidence. Yet he admits to being an ego-driven player, IIRC (please correct me if I'm wrong). Definite WIFOM here. What has Palmar actually achieved/done? I find it hard to name an accomplishment or solid push on anyone of relevance so far, but that might be selective WIOM memory here. Overall though, I think my general vibe from him has been generally town.
11) justanothertownie - Similar to Palmar in my books. I still don't think scum!JAT would push against the Vivax claim/mayor as hard as he did to his own detriment on D1. I didn't find many or any faults with his play from my just playing the game at a natural pace. Though, I have also not taken a dive into his filter in a while.
12) die_meatbaby - I was really, really convinced of my read on the DMB vote from Oats being basically a town confirm. As a reminder, according to Slam, Oats voted for DMB publicly in the thread 13 seconds after he was outed as scum by Slam, which we now know is true. Was this locked and loaded? Ockham's says no, IMO. However, Rels made a great case for how this absolutely could have been locked and loaded. See post and follow-ups here. So, I have to introduce a little bit of doubt here.
13) CopCake - Not going to waste my time reiterating myself for a tenth time but I am scum reading Cop, despite some waffling about her play being NAI in general. I still think this is the best lynch.
14) JacobStrangelove - Basically have to assume that JSL is town along with DP at this point because of the claims.
16) Iamperfection - I have been consistently townreading iamperfection from the start and not much has changed in this regard, but I also recognize that they are not a hypothetically confirmed town in my current worldview. So, I have to start introducing doubt into all of my softer town reads. Out of all the people I have as half-town-reads, I would say this is my strongest.
17) Koshi - True neutral at this point. I was sheeping them D1 but that led to a ML (not necessarily attributing fault but they don't get brownie points for it either). Their play since then has not been inspiring. They also helped form that second wagon on VE when Oats was scum. I'm still not 100% convinced of a double scum bus, but I haven't done the due diligence as far as who was responsible, what the relative timings were, etc. I really need to get to work because I feel like I've been coasting on just playing the game as opposed to digging into it and picking apart who is doing what for a lot of my soft town reads, and at this point Koshi feels like one of the ones that I have had the least amount of confidence in.
19) VisceraEyes - I agree with everyone about what VE's conduct has been like, which is far from what I'd consider to be townie. They are even more of a wildcard to me than CopCake at this point IMO. This is another good lynch IMO, but I am still going Cop first.
20) Rels - Despite what I said above about giving props to Rels for doing the work and research into Oats' vote on DMB, I still feel kinda ambivalent about their performance and contributions overall over the past few cycles. I just feel like I don't have a good feel for their play or their alignment, which usually means they have been treading lightly and not doing much, which overall doesn't look great but doesn't necessarily mean they are scum, either.
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So, you may notice at this point that I don't have enough scum to have a full scum team, and that's not great in terms of optics or play, admittedly. Sad truth is, that's where I'm at. I think that as more lynches and kills come in, I'll have a better idea of who is more likely to be scum. By PoE, I'd say that Rels and Koshi are more likely to be scum than DP and Vivax, for example. My approach as of now is to basically search for the most likely scum out of the people remaining, and I think I have two strong contenders. In the next cycle or two - assuming I am still alive - I will invest more time into reading filters on the people I am on the fence about as opposed to the people that have rubbed me entirely the wrong way up until now. At this point, my order of most likely to be scum individually with no investigations on associations are:
1. CopCake or VE, basically tied.
2. Koshi/Rels/Palmar.
3. MZ.
4. JAT.
5. Iamperfection.
6. DMB.
That's basically my PoE, and I'll work through them in that manner as time allows and as flips come in, basically.
PS: The reason I did the Oats reads is because he basically told me to, so I did. I basically wasn't going to let laziness stop me. Even though I reiterated that I townread him heavily all the way to the end, I felt like he was asking more questions than providing his own reads, being combative in general. I kinda wrote it off as his playstyle, and given some of the other styles we have here, I didn't think too much of it. But, I did want a reads list from him, so I put in the effort to generate one, correct it, and update it.
PPS: Thanks for giving my filter a fair shake.
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On March 11 2024 12:07 Rels wrote:Finally free to play the game. Also super tired so I won't be catching up  didn't read anything since my last post. I think I'll just check if and what CopCake has posted since she's the counter wagon and I will call it a day I hope hope hope I can play tomorrow during work, or at least catch up. I already know I can't during the morning, but nothing much going on in the afternoon yet. Hopefully it will stay that way ...
If more votes are on Cop, then they shift to VE and VE has more, does that make Cop the "counter"wagon?
Logic would dictate that VE arose as the counterwagon to Cop, but I just don't know how y'all define these things and if you haven't read or looked at the vote thread in depth then you might be just wrong, so I wanna make sure.
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On March 11 2024 12:29 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 12:26 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 12:25 DarthPunk wrote:
are you just ignoring me or what? No but I don‘t think you claim vet as town or fakeclaim for that matter. But it‘s beneficial as scum. I have a very, very hard time believeing you believe this
I think Vivax is just fishing for more "Vivax is insane" comments for his profile tbh.
I didn't want to say it earlier because I had a genuine hope that Vivax would come back and explain the initial train on VE, would have a better answer for "you really think this is a triple bus triangle?", but here we are. I had a genuine hope that one of my confirmed towns in my current world read would actually try to lynch mafia, and that these wild votes/wagons were just some ingenious ploy to generate reactions. But here we are.
To be fair, I guess all of these posts can be counted towards his body count from his recent posting spurt. My mans is playing his own game inside the game. And he is our mayor. Which fits for a politician if I'm gonna be honest.
Go do you, playboy.
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On March 11 2024 12:36 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 12:33 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 12:29 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 12:26 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 12:25 DarthPunk wrote:
are you just ignoring me or what? No but I don‘t think you claim vet as town or fakeclaim for that matter. But it‘s beneficial as scum. I have a very, very hard time believeing you believe this I think Vivax is just fishing for more "Vivax is insane" comments for his profile tbh. I didn't want to say it earlier because I had a genuine hope that Vivax would come back and explain the initial train on VE, would have a better answer for "you really think this is a triple bus triangle?", but here we are. I had a genuine hope that one of my confirmed towns in my current world read would actually try to lynch mafia, and that these wild votes/wagons were just some ingenious ploy to generate reactions. But here we are. To be fair, I guess all of these posts can be counted towards his body count from his recent posting spurt. My mans is playing his own game inside the game. And he is our mayor. Which fits for a politician if I'm gonna be honest. Go do you, playboy. Very complicated way of saying nothing at all.
nice b8 bm8
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On March 11 2024 12:44 CopCake wrote:
I have voted myself and I kinda do not want to move it because “OMG copcake is still mafia”
I also want to say I am not vengeful townie.
How about that DP mafia game thread analysis though?
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On March 11 2024 12:53 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 12:52 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 12:44 CopCake wrote:
I have voted myself and I kinda do not want to move it because “OMG copcake is still mafia”
I also want to say I am not vengeful townie.
How about that DP mafia game thread analysis though? I wont do it, I am honestly depressed about this game.
How about those Discord screenshots that were supposed to mean something in response to your obvious hypocrisy and inconsistency throughout this game though?
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On March 11 2024 12:54 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 12:52 DarthPunk wrote:On March 11 2024 12:51 CopCake wrote:
The problem is
Why not kill DP when we have
- vivax jailing Slam so his cop check doesnt work
- kill DP who is about to kill mafia TTS/Cake/DMB
If two of those are real mafia, I think blocking DP takes priority and not blocking vivax to kill slam, I mean the cop check would had been blocked.
Oh ho, Hear we go again. Didn't you just say I was confirmed? I am trying to understand vivax perspective and why he is calling you mafia. I understand his pov.
That was fast.
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On March 11 2024 13:02 Rels wrote:
Fuck already midnight. I thought I was only going to play for 30 minutes. I have 2 interviews tomorrow morning ... wish me luck!
GL! As someone who has been on the "getting a better job" grind for way too long, I know this struggle. You got this!
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On March 11 2024 12:55 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 12:53 CopCake wrote:On March 11 2024 12:52 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 12:44 CopCake wrote:
I have voted myself and I kinda do not want to move it because “OMG copcake is still mafia”
I also want to say I am not vengeful townie.
How about that DP mafia game thread analysis though? I wont do it, I am honestly depressed about this game. How about those Discord screenshots that were supposed to mean something in response to your obvious hypocrisy and inconsistency throughout this game though?
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On March 11 2024 13:15 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 13:11 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 13:09 DarthPunk wrote:
It bothers me because it just gives mafia a blueprint to keep me alive until so that the confirmed unkillable mayor will push for the wrong lynch at mylo.
It is literally that obviously bad what you are doing right now. If you are town then explain to me why Jealous and MZ can‘t be scum. I am not that confident on either of them to say they CAN'T be scum. I think that they are both town though, Jealous, his interactions in the QT were really townie and hard to fake in the moment. Clearing DMB in the way that he did for example, is something I would not expect scum to do in the way that he did. His reads have aligned with mine. His hapa=Town view early was really good and townie imo. MZ: Looks really bad in a way that makes me think he is just fearless townie saying what he believes regardless of the consequences. Has spent heaps of time scum hunting and filter diving this phase when he didn't have to and which is more than can be said for others here.
Thank God both masons and mafia use Discord now because this would have been the worst fake slip of all time, holy shet.
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On March 11 2024 13:15 DarthPunk wrote:
SHe said she wasn't going to do it
She said she wasn't going to do the dive on your mafia game. She went as far as asking admin about posting Discord screenshots and it was allowed but I've yet to see any or have any indication of what her intent was for those screenshots.
Can we all agree that if a supposed townie is saying that they will do stuff to clear their name/push the game forward, then not doing it or even pretending to do it, while still posting random other stuff, isn't a great look?
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On March 11 2024 13:17 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 13:15 DarthPunk wrote:On March 11 2024 13:14 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 12:55 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 12:53 CopCake wrote:On March 11 2024 12:52 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 12:44 CopCake wrote:
I have voted myself and I kinda do not want to move it because “OMG copcake is still mafia”
I also want to say I am not vengeful townie.
How about that DP mafia game thread analysis though? I wont do it, I am honestly depressed about this game. How about those Discord screenshots that were supposed to mean something in response to your obvious hypocrisy and inconsistency throughout this game though? I also said Vivax is here and he can confirm I asked if we could 🥳 concede a mafia game because I felt bad for Slam. You should also be aware of this DP. You have read that chat and played that game.
I don't exactly follow what you're saying but this doesn't look like a screenshot that was supposed to somehow exonerate you, but maybe I'm blind.
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On March 11 2024 13:20 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 13:19 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 13:15 DarthPunk wrote:
SHe said she wasn't going to do it
She said she wasn't going to do the dive on your mafia game. She went as far as asking admin about posting Discord screenshots and it was allowed but I've yet to see any or have any indication of what her intent was for those screenshots. Can we all agree that if a supposed townie is saying that they will do stuff to clear their name/push the game forward, then not doing it or even pretending to do it, while still posting random other stuff, isn't a great look? I also said “oh vivax is here”
Ah, that solves everything, my bad?
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On March 11 2024 13:22 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 13:18 CopCake wrote:
Darth, did my team or not conceded a game we were winning because we felt bad for Slam? This can also go to vivax so you can explain jelaous what happened that game.
What's Vivax's going rate? How much does he charge to be your advocate? Why do you have to hire outside help to make your own points to justify promises you never delivered on? Should I lawyer up too at this point?
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On March 11 2024 13:27 CopCake wrote:
No seriously, how am I suppose to?
Posting the screenshots you promised, which in theory would have somehow exonerated you from the accusation, would be a good starting point. Instead of relying on others to defend you for you.
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On March 11 2024 13:29 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 13:27 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 13:27 CopCake wrote:
No seriously, how am I suppose to?
Posting the screenshots you promised, which in theory would have somehow exonerated you from the accusation, would be a good starting point. Instead of relying on others to defend you for you. Question wasnt answered Saw my ex scum buddy here so I didnt feel the need to post them Easy as that.
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