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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 20 2023 19:09 GMT
#3361
In fact marv is town, but maybe he isn't. But NK analysis said Palmar is scum, but screw that, i am not gonna call him scum anyways. i am also gonna call slam, sand, and HF town for no apparent reason, just maybe they are town.

so that leaves me with (lol) dmb, rayn, palmar.
dmb scum, and i have to read two of my town reads again because they werent my town reads apparently.

l o l
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 20 2023 19:10 GMT
#3362
That was Trfel's super good townie post analysis.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 20 2023 19:12 GMT
#3363
I understand this is very exaggerated, but that's what that post basically says.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 20 2023 19:20 GMT
#3364
On December 21 2023 04:05 sandroba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2023 04:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 21 2023 03:59 sandroba wrote:
On December 21 2023 03:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 21 2023 03:52 sandroba wrote:
Where did he say he assumed Koshi is town and that's why he took it at face value?

I did say that. Koshi assumed shit i didn't do, i assume Trfel took that at face value (that they are true, because Koshi is tonw and he knew it), and used it against me, unknowing that it's not actually true.

Your assumption here is just terrible, that he must know Koshi's alignment to assume he is not lying. I always assume people are not straight-up lying about stuff, sometimes if I specifically remember the opposite I might go back to check how things went down. I really doubt anyone here double checks every statement that is made.

I would lie about stuff other townies believe in, any good mafia would, because "you can't be held responsible" if a townie did that aswell.

This is just speculation, it is at best NAI.
For Trfel you are giving one-sided reasoning why a mafia could do things. For DMB you are giving one-sided reasoning why a townie would do it.
You know what, it would actually be really funny from the outside, if we were both here each defending a different mafia. The only issue with this view is I'm willing to take a look at Trfel after we kill clear mafia dmb, while I think you must think your whole game hinges on dmb not getting lynched.

I have no reason to believe DMB would be mafia with Trfel in this game.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 20 2023 19:21 GMT
#3365
So don't try to bullshit your way onto me lynching someone i dont want to.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 20 2023 19:27 GMT
#3366
I guess our only hope is Palmar is town and makes the right choice.
A lot to assume i think.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 20 2023 19:27 GMT
#3367
Slam are you with me or with scum?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 20 2023 19:40 GMT
#3368
On December 21 2023 03:52 sandroba wrote:
Where did he say he assumed Koshi is town and that's why he took it at face value?

Of course he is not going to say that if he is mafia.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 20 2023 20:33 GMT
#3369
I guess noone is here
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 20 2023 21:04 GMT
#3370
On December 20 2023 03:44 sandroba wrote:
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On December 20 2023 03:38 Alakaslam wrote:
On December 19 2023 23:13 sandroba wrote:
If Palmar was mafia I would be dead and not marv. If mafia wanted to blue hunt I think they prob kill slam, since based on my logic for blue palmar I couldn't be blue either. So Palmar I think could only be mafia with Slam. And that means HF is wrong about Slam and Marv wrong about Palmar. If that's the case here congrats to both.

This logic is based on wifom

So far my NK logic has held up.
It seems like I'm the only one that cares about thinking what makes sense for mafia to do in the NK. It's hard to imagine mafia is making their own life a lot more difficult with the sole purpose to confuse me.

On December 19 2023 23:13 sandroba wrote:
If Palmar was mafia I would be dead and not marv. If mafia wanted to blue hunt I think they prob kill slam, since based on my logic for blue palmar I couldn't be blue either. So Palmar I think could only be mafia with Slam. And that means HF is wrong about Slam and Marv wrong about Palmar. If that's the case here congrats to both.

I think your NK logic is dead wrong here.

N3 kill is beneficial to all people in the game if mafia.
N2 kill beneficial to sandroba/Palmar
N1 kill ????

So please share your logic for NK's, if you have more insight than i do.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 20 2023 21:12 GMT
#3371
"It's hard to imagine mafia is making their own life a lot more difficult with the sole purpose to confuse me."

If this is your take, then do not mind. You were a lynch target as if you are town, D1, D2, maybe even D3, how the fuck do you think you're gonna get nk'd???
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 20 2023 21:14 GMT
#3372
On December 18 2023 23:53 sandroba wrote:
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On December 18 2023 23:44 marvellosity wrote:
Sand, can you remind me why you like Trfel for town so much now please?

1 - he saved me d2 when thread sentiment was against me. He called out Chez behavior as mafia, pointed out the game they played as scum together. I went ahead and looked at the game and everything checked out. Also Trfel had very few posts as mafia in that game, wasn't engaged at all.
The analysis posts he is making make a lot of sense to me, it shows he is thinking about the game.
His palmar town read, if he is mafia it must be with palmar? Not sure how voting HF instead of Palmar and sticking with his town read helps him here. HF was on a path of Palmar > DMB > rayn while Palmar's path includes him?
Can't wrap my head around why he would not just go along and lynch me d2, he had every excuse as mafia to do so. He had the story set up from his perspective for finding me suspicious.

this is a suspect post. alot of suspect.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 20 2023 21:15 GMT
#3373
On December 18 2023 23:55 sandroba wrote:
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On December 18 2023 23:51 marvellosity wrote:
DMB, as you like a bit of meta and reading old games.

Can you find a single example where sandro has a decent size filter and fights for his life when he is about to be lynched as mafia?

I think the most telling thing is that I would never try to take myself to end game as mafia while lynching the role blocker Chezinu on my team. Chezinu could single-handedly win a game for mafia

and i would?
you are literally telling i am mafia (or even could be) when doing something you would never do yourself as mafia, and use it against me???
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 20 2023 21:21 GMT
#3374
On December 18 2023 13:01 sandroba wrote:
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On December 18 2023 12:01 Grackaroni wrote:
Day Three Vote Count

Holyflare (4): marvellosity, Palmar, Alakaslam, raynpelikoneet, Trfel
Palmar (2): sandroba, Holyflare, die_meatbaby, Alakaslam
die_meatbaby (2): Trfel, sandroba, Holyflare

With 4 votes, Holyflare has been lynched!

There is at least one townie in here, but he is probably confused about his role pm.

Oh oh oh... I forgot.

After this Trfel went to "reread his role PM, just to confirm"
That is a pile of shit. Noone needes to reread their role PM after the start of the game.'
Pile Of Shit !!!
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 20 2023 21:21 GMT
#3375
##unvote
##vote Trfel
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 20 2023 21:23 GMT
#3376
I guess it' snot a good case coming like this, but it is true!
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 20 2023 21:25 GMT
#3377
On December 18 2023 13:02 Trfel wrote:
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On December 18 2023 13:01 sandroba wrote:
On December 18 2023 12:01 Grackaroni wrote:
Day Three Vote Count

Holyflare (4): marvellosity, Palmar, Alakaslam, raynpelikoneet, Trfel
Palmar (2): sandroba, Holyflare, die_meatbaby, Alakaslam
die_meatbaby (2): Trfel, sandroba, Holyflare

With 4 votes, Holyflare has been lynched!

There is at least one townie in here, but he is probably confused about his role pm.
Checked my role PM again, wouldn't have been that surprised if I misread it and am actually mafia but sadly I am not.

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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 20 2023 21:41 GMT
#3378
Well good game i guess
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 20 2023 21:53 GMT
#3379
I tried to quote but no, it's not gonna happen.
Just read marv's filter for the last pages.
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Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
December 20 2023 21:55 GMT
#3380
On December 20 2023 18:25 Palmar wrote:
Does that matter Trfel? We're lynching your scumread.
It matters eventually.
On December 20 2023 22:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think Trfel is just mafia here.

- Trfel has been very wishy-washy on his reads during the whole game. I know town!Trfel is wishy-wasy, i just think he is overplaying it here. Basically every read until last night ends up being "could be or is not mafia" category. Basically Trfel has called everyone mafia except for Palmar. Only after marv starts getting suspicious of him and his town read on Palmar he starts getting these hard stances on people. I understand the less people we have the less room there is also for error, but it just doesn't seem natural at all to me.

- Trfel calls DMB mafia for scumreading Palmar, but not doing anything with the read. Now this makes sense if the mafia team is exactly DMB and Palmar, but Trfel doesn't think this is the case because he townreads and has townread Palmar all game (except for one point where he thinks Palmar + marv could be mafia). This sort of behavior should only be suspicious for DMB if Palmar is mafia in his mind, because otherwise it doesn't make any sense to act like that, Palmar has been suspected by everyone pretty much during the whole game.

- I still don't know understand this:
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On December 19 2023 12:12 Trfel wrote:
I think Palmar is probably my strongest townread, with sandroba not too far behind (I don't see how Palmar could be mafia unless he is mafia with marvellosity). Will have a lot of reevaluating to do. I still think die_meatbaby is mafia and don't really understand why people disagree. I need to catch up on the last 10 pages but I'll be here on-and-off for a while.

Basically everything Trfel writes, even his case on DMB, should be in towards Palmar being mafia, yet Palmar is his strongest town read. So i am going to guess he thinks i am mafia or Slam is mafia. But he already said he doesn't think i am mafia. Does Slam being mafia make sense to anyone else? Based on Trfel's reads, how is he going to put up a mafia team of two people here? At least he hasn't contributed towards that in any sense, just that DMB is mafia.
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On December 21 2023 02:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 21 2023 01:39 sandroba wrote:
On December 21 2023 01:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 21 2023 01:26 sandroba wrote:
On December 21 2023 01:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 21 2023 01:20 sandroba wrote:
Well, you are being super biased if you can't even consider it and are dead set on this explanation for it I can't even understand.

I am not super set on this explanation, but i don't really see a good case on why i am supposed to think she is mafia.

I think Trfel's case spells it out pretty clearly why. The fact that you read the same case as me and don't even go: "Huh, there might be something there" makes absolutely no sense to me. Even if you think Trfel is scum, he would have bussed Chez d2 in that world, why could he not be doing that here

I think i already said why i think Trfel's vote could be a bus?

I also think i answered Trfel's case in how it is possible DMB did that all as town. All these points:
Cognitive dissonance 1: Palmar is mafia, but die_meatbaby doesn't take any actions towards lynching Palmar

Cognitive dissonance 2: Suspicious of everyone, not inquisitive/not trying to figure things out

Cognitive dissonance 3: lots of emotional energy, little/no scumhunting energy

What hypothetical point you can make about a someone which you can't say: it is possible to do that all as town ?

Cognitive dissonance 1: Palmar is mafia, but die_meatbaby doesn't take any actions towards lynching Palmar
- I can see this coming from mafia perspective. But why do this when Palmar is not on the lynch block, and why not enforce it when Palmar is actually up for lynch?
Cognitive dissonance 2: Suspicious of everyone, not inquisitive/not trying to figure things out
- I dont really think this is mafia motivated, more likely town motivated, since townies dont know who is mafia and are supposed to be suspicious of everyone
Cognitive dissonance 3: lots of emotional energy, little/no scumhunting energy
- i guess "little to scumhunting energy" can be a point against her.
You are misrepresenting my points but I believe this is intentional so I will let you say whatever you feel like I suppose.

- If Trfel really believes DMB is mafia, he didn't do anything to change the lynch on D3 to DMB. After i voted, he did absolutely nothing to contribute towards his preferred lynch DMB, just voted for HF and "gave up" for the day for whatever reason. Now the only reason i can of here, is that he wants to keep DMB as a lynch bait. The case he has presented against DMB was all there during D3, why didn't he act on it during D3?

- Minor point but still a point, Trfel has (as Koshi did) misrepresented my actions during D1. We all know, or should know Koshi didn't read the thread properly, because he said so, and agreed to that when i was talking with him around the Chezinu lynch. Now Trfel has been reading the thread, at least he is trying to show such M.O. My interpretation is, that he knew Koshi is town, and took Koshi's statement of me having voted for Vivax D1 (when i never really did -- i called Vivax town) at face value without checking it even when i clearly expressed that earlier already, that i never did such thing!!.

##vote Trfel
For point 2, it's suspicious regardless of whether or not Palmar is mafia for die_meatbaby. It means that she is looking active by posting about Palmar, but not actually caring. This is only mafia indicative.

For point 3, this is answered by point 2.

Point 4, I did want to lynch die_meatbaby during day 3 and I pushed this. See this case. I can't help it that not enough people wanted to join. If you actually read the portion of the post on die_meatbaby, which it seems like unfortunately most people did not do, it's actually very strong reasoning towards die_meatbaby being mafia.
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