Winter Warfare Mafia - Page 169

On December 21 2023 04:05 sandroba wrote:

This is just speculation, it is at best NAI.
For Trfel you are giving one-sided reasoning why a mafia could do things. For DMB you are giving one-sided reasoning why a townie would do it.
You know what, it would actually be really funny from the outside, if we were both here each defending a different mafia. The only issue with this view is I'm willing to take a look at Trfel after we kill clear mafia dmb, while I think you must think your whole game hinges on dmb not getting lynched.

On December 21 2023 03:52 sandroba wrote:
Where did he say he assumed Koshi is town and that's why he took it at face value?

On December 20 2023 03:44 sandroba wrote:

So far my NK logic has held up.
It seems like I'm the only one that cares about thinking what makes sense for mafia to do in the NK. It's hard to imagine mafia is making their own life a lot more difficult with the sole purpose to confuse me.

On December 19 2023 23:13 sandroba wrote:
If Palmar was mafia I would be dead and not marv. If mafia wanted to blue hunt I think they prob kill slam, since based on my logic for blue palmar I couldn't be blue either. So Palmar I think could only be mafia with Slam. And that means HF is wrong about Slam and Marv wrong about Palmar. If that's the case here congrats to both.

On December 18 2023 23:53 sandroba wrote:

1 - he saved me d2 when thread sentiment was against me. He called out Chez behavior as mafia, pointed out the game they played as scum together. I went ahead and looked at the game and everything checked out. Also Trfel had very few posts as mafia in that game, wasn't engaged at all.
The analysis posts he is making make a lot of sense to me, it shows he is thinking about the game.
His palmar town read, if he is mafia it must be with palmar? Not sure how voting HF instead of Palmar and sticking with his town read helps him here. HF was on a path of Palmar > DMB > rayn while Palmar's path includes him?
Can't wrap my head around why he would not just go along and lynch me d2, he had every excuse as mafia to do so. He had the story set up from his perspective for finding me suspicious.

On December 18 2023 23:55 sandroba wrote:

I think the most telling thing is that I would never try to take myself to end game as mafia while lynching the role blocker Chezinu on my team. Chezinu could single-handedly win a game for mafia

On December 18 2023 13:01 sandroba wrote:

There is at least one townie in here, but he is probably confused about his role pm.

On December 18 2023 13:02 Trfel wrote:
Checked my role PM again, wouldn't have been that surprised if I misread it and am actually mafia but sadly I am not.

On December 20 2023 18:25 Palmar wrote:
Does that matter Trfel? We're lynching your scumread.

On December 20 2023 22:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think Trfel is just mafia here.

- Trfel has been very wishy-washy on his reads during the whole game. I know town!Trfel is wishy-wasy, i just think he is overplaying it here. Basically every read until last night ends up being "could be or is not mafia" category. Basically Trfel has called everyone mafia except for Palmar. Only after marv starts getting suspicious of him and his town read on Palmar he starts getting these hard stances on people. I understand the less people we have the less room there is also for error, but it just doesn't seem natural at all to me.

- Trfel calls DMB mafia for scumreading Palmar, but not doing anything with the read. Now this makes sense if the mafia team is exactly DMB and Palmar, but Trfel doesn't think this is the case because he townreads and has townread Palmar all game (except for one point where he thinks Palmar + marv could be mafia). This sort of behavior should only be suspicious for DMB if Palmar is mafia in his mind, because otherwise it doesn't make any sense to act like that, Palmar has been suspected by everyone pretty much during the whole game.

- I still don't know understand this:

Basically everything Trfel writes, even his case on DMB, should be in towards Palmar being mafia, yet Palmar is his strongest town read. So i am going to guess he thinks i am mafia or Slam is mafia. But he already said he doesn't think i am mafia. Does Slam being mafia make sense to anyone else? Based on Trfel's reads, how is he going to put up a mafia team of two people here? At least he hasn't contributed towards that in any sense, just that DMB is mafia.You are misrepresenting my points but I believe this is intentional so I will let you say whatever you feel like I suppose.

- If Trfel really believes DMB is mafia, he didn't do anything to change the lynch on D3 to DMB. After i voted, he did absolutely nothing to contribute towards his preferred lynch DMB, just voted for HF and "gave up" for the day for whatever reason. Now the only reason i can of here, is that he wants to keep DMB as a lynch bait. The case he has presented against DMB was all there during D3, why didn't he act on it during D3?

- Minor point but still a point, Trfel has (as Koshi did) misrepresented my actions during D1. We all know, or should know Koshi didn't read the thread properly, because he said so, and agreed to that when i was talking with him around the Chezinu lynch. Now Trfel has been reading the thread, at least he is trying to show such M.O. My interpretation is, that he knew Koshi is town, and took Koshi's statement of me having voted for Vivax D1 (when i never really did -- i called Vivax town) at face value without checking it even when i clearly expressed that earlier already, that i never did such thing!!.

##vote Trfel