Winter Warfare Mafia - Page 170

On December 20 2023 18:25 Palmar wrote:
Does that matter Trfel? We're lynching your scumread.

On December 20 2023 22:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think Trfel is just mafia here.

- Trfel has been very wishy-washy on his reads during the whole game. I know town!Trfel is wishy-wasy, i just think he is overplaying it here. Basically every read until last night ends up being "could be or is not mafia" category. Basically Trfel has called everyone mafia except for Palmar. Only after marv starts getting suspicious of him and his town read on Palmar he starts getting these hard stances on people. I understand the less people we have the less room there is also for error, but it just doesn't seem natural at all to me.

- Trfel calls DMB mafia for scumreading Palmar, but not doing anything with the read. Now this makes sense if the mafia team is exactly DMB and Palmar, but Trfel doesn't think this is the case because he townreads and has townread Palmar all game (except for one point where he thinks Palmar + marv could be mafia). This sort of behavior should only be suspicious for DMB if Palmar is mafia in his mind, because otherwise it doesn't make any sense to act like that, Palmar has been suspected by everyone pretty much during the whole game.

- I still don't know understand this:

Basically everything Trfel writes, even his case on DMB, should be in towards Palmar being mafia, yet Palmar is his strongest town read. So i am going to guess he thinks i am mafia or Slam is mafia. But he already said he doesn't think i am mafia. Does Slam being mafia make sense to anyone else? Based on Trfel's reads, how is he going to put up a mafia team of two people here? At least he hasn't contributed towards that in any sense, just that DMB is mafia.You are misrepresenting my points but I believe this is intentional so I will let you say whatever you feel like I suppose.

- If Trfel really believes DMB is mafia, he didn't do anything to change the lynch on D3 to DMB. After i voted, he did absolutely nothing to contribute towards his preferred lynch DMB, just voted for HF and "gave up" for the day for whatever reason. Now the only reason i can of here, is that he wants to keep DMB as a lynch bait. The case he has presented against DMB was all there during D3, why didn't he act on it during D3?

- Minor point but still a point, Trfel has (as Koshi did) misrepresented my actions during D1. We all know, or should know Koshi didn't read the thread properly, because he said so, and agreed to that when i was talking with him around the Chezinu lynch. Now Trfel has been reading the thread, at least he is trying to show such M.O. My interpretation is, that he knew Koshi is town, and took Koshi's statement of me having voted for Vivax D1 (when i never really did -- i called Vivax town) at face value without checking it even when i clearly expressed that earlier already, that i never did such thing!!.

##vote Trfel

On December 21 2023 06:59 Trfel wrote:
In case it isn't obvious, I'm in agreement with sandroba that the mafia team is die_meatbaby and raynpelikoneet. We talked about this in the mason chat and agreed that this was by far the most likely.

For me it has nothing to do with who I want to lose to and who I don't. Raynpelikoneet is playing an amazing game as mafia, this is true. I can look through his filter and only this last day imo is where he has started to give himself away. The most obvious reasons that make him mafia relate to his townread of die_meatbaby, there is absolutely no way that he should have such strong of a townread with so little doubt. His arguments have become increasingly irrational and the situation we have put him in, with a lot of pressure on his remaining mafia partner, has forced his hand. But this relies somewhat on associations with die_meatbaby so we can leave that for later.

Die_meatbaby is mafia for the aforementioned reasons. Once she (presumably) flips mafia, the rest becomes obvious.

On December 21 2023 06:55 Trfel wrote:
It matters eventually.
For point 2, it's suspicious regardless of whether or not Palmar is mafia for die_meatbaby. It means that she is looking active by posting about Palmar, but not actually caring. This is only mafia indicative.

For point 3, this is answered by point 2.

Point 4, I did want to lynch die_meatbaby during day 3 and I pushed this. See this case. I can't help it that not enough people wanted to join. If you actually read the portion of the post on die_meatbaby, which it seems like unfortunately most people did not do, it's actually very strong reasoning towards die_meatbaby being mafia.