Quarterly Mafia 1 - part 2

On August 26 2023 16:22 mathenalin wrote:
I really enjoyed playing last game , didnt make a total hash of d1. Scum hunting was poor but I found a few townies. I don't know how i would have continued in the later part of the day, would I have switched to TTT or mislynched LS.

On August 26 2023 16:20 JacobStrangelove wrote:


Ahh I think dp only would respect a rule if it works in his favour aka if he was mafia. Otherwise he'll find any logic possible to bend it to his will.

On August 27 2023 06:39 Vivax wrote:
He even capitalized Maria and I don‘t believe you wouldn‘t notice, iamp.

Are you playing dumb ? Cause it looks like you are.

On August 27 2023 09:21 JacobStrangelove wrote:



Yeah this made me laugh out loud after spending the morning reading this line of questioning. My internet is out at my place so I'm phone only. It was a typo that admittedly I saw but didn't have the energy to remove.

Also the insta vote on Marv is bait. Was hoping either Marv or dp would react to it first but given there's a lot of conversation and it's probably too obvious of a bait ehh. I'll have to find time to sit down and re read but initial reaction I'm still sus on cheese tbh that hasn't changed.

Why did you vote dp if Marv is scum team with him? and I already have a vote on him? May as well run up the votes on one person to get info actually make him come into thread and comment.

Light speed is just as much the same to me as last game tbh.

On August 27 2023 10:24 DarthPunk wrote:
Hey, my guests just left so ill be around for the next 12 hours.

I think Jacob looks much worse this game, but also acknowledge that because the people who post at the start of the game inevitably face sucpicion (i should know its usually me) I am going to re-read first.

Jake, is that marv vote a troll or genuine? I want you to commit to a position please.

On August 27 2023 11:30 iamperfection wrote:
i understand dp's points a lot better then i understand vivax

On August 27 2023 12:08 Chezinu wrote:
mathenalin

mathenalin

mathenalin

On August 27 2023 16:35 JacobStrangelove wrote:
You lol. Although anyone but vivax tbh.

On August 26 2023 19:24 die_meatbaby wrote:
Damm it. I was so happy to be finally mafia and it was for maybe 15 hours. Now I am Town again. Boring.

On August 27 2023 18:28 mathenalin wrote:
VE is pretty disappointing, no one has read him as town which is a bad sign but he hasn't contributed much of note.

On August 27 2023 18:14 mathenalin wrote:
Koshi is a quick read. He made a scum team and vote on you for the lulz (or some deeper read i dunno)
Then you got the wrong end of the stick where he was talkng about iamp and you thought it was about you.
Koshi thinks its different? But then also wonders if hes trying too hard to be different.
I guess he's null

I dont have a read on iamp so I'm waiting to hear what other players pitch in with

On August 27 2023 18:33 mathenalin wrote:
I think iamp is fine for now

On August 27 2023 19:41 Vivax wrote:


I could work with this.

Actually, I will.

##Vote: Koshi

Feeling very headless chicken-y rn

On August 27 2023 21:02 die_meatbaby wrote:

why?

On August 27 2023 21:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Vivax has had a comverdation basically with iamperfection and DP this game. If he is not mafia with these people fie, but how can you use that "not hving conversations with his scum partners" as a basis of a read(?), whe he hasnt basically talked with 10 otherppl?

On August 27 2023 21:24 LightningStrike wrote:
Just woke up after having to unexpectedly getting busy after my last post and DP and Vivax had a fight seemed forced? At least I think DP is town from that fight. Koshi though seemed underwhelming on my reread: He not exactly pushing his own thoughts per say this game compared to normal if he's town he needs to step it up big time. Also Chez not using his own rule right now is pretty suspicious considering he loved talking about in the past how he applies it.

On August 27 2023 21:55 DarthPunk wrote:


Isn't she clearly talking about last game?

She is saying,

1.) last game he also avoided speaking with his team mates. in addition to trolling etc.

and

2.) Its too early to see him as red.

So she isn't using it as a basis for a read.

On August 27 2023 22:01 Vivax wrote:


I think my delusion about DP was extremely tinfoily.
I actually believed it. I‘m still figuring out what the fuck is wrong with me sometimes but generalized anxiety disorder is one of my issues.

And this is not asking to be treated in a softer way it‘s just a statement of fact.

I didn‘t like TTTs posts either and could probably lunch that but I gotta get ready for work.

On August 27 2023 22:09 Vivax wrote:


I think the needling backfired clamorously. I don‘t buy the post tone and fake helpfulness. His analysis of typogate is unemotional and rather people-pleasing.

His Chez opinion doesn‘t seem as fleshed out as I‘d like it to be after I briefly reviewed the filter.

On August 27 2023 23:09 TankTopTiger wrote:
Why VE?

He seems like the kind of player who enjoys playing scum. In Endures I, he blatantly led the mislynch D1 in all caps, reveling all the way. Like I get that he hasn't been active, and has failed to confirm himself town which (for reasons I'm unaware of) is apparently something he does a lot.

But am I wrong to expect him not to cower or coast as red?

On August 28 2023 00:11 iamperfection wrote:
wouldn't you say koshi and ve are somewhat similar ?

On August 28 2023 00:12 iamperfection wrote:

care to be specific ? or are you just going to continue to be lazy?

On August 28 2023 00:12 iamperfection wrote:

care to be specific ? or are you just going to continue to be lazy?

On August 28 2023 01:07 LightningStrike wrote:
Also ty Vivax! Turning 29 years old so I getting a bit old now >.<

On August 28 2023 02:36 VisceraEyes wrote:

omg guys plz stahp
he's only like, gay 60. That's a different thing.

On August 28 2023 02:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm going to, at the risk of sounding suspicious, preemptively excuse my activity around lynch time. It's possible I'll be around, but it's when I'm at work so I don't know how interacty I'll be.

On August 28 2023 02:50 VisceraEyes wrote:

Generally speaking I agree with you and didn't follow the rule as a matter of course.

It's also true that there isn't much in Chez filter in the way of actionable content and from my perspective he's AS untrustworthy as you are, perhaps more so because he 'knows better' or whatever.

If you're town and this is wrong, I hope that I get another decent read before deadline. However, I'm also hoping that you're mafia and the Rule wins the day so there's a fair amount of conf-bias that I'm fighting against - not enough to make me check out of the game, but enough to color my reads until I know one way or the other.

Long story short, my vote isn't cemented to you, but it's not there with no reason either. I'm still playing.

On August 28 2023 03:04 mathenalin wrote:

Noted

On August 28 2023 03:25 mathenalin wrote:


I'd say i don't like him but i cant point to anything as, thats scum behaviour.

His point about dp following rules and iamp being "on point" was silly.

His vote on marv being anything other than a joke.

Then talking about voting chez but immediately calling it a "pressure" vote which instantly makes it lose power.

I'd lynch him and not lose sleep but i cant form a slam dunk case.

On August 28 2023 03:39 iamperfection wrote:
ve is being very nice and it disturbs me

On August 28 2023 03:45 iamperfection wrote:
good

On August 28 2023 03:53 iamperfection wrote:

we could fit it in today if your still gonna be like this

On August 28 2023 03:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You also have the option to play mafia with the young boys now if you want to!

On August 28 2023 03:56 Koshi wrote:
So I don't want to lynch math; mebaby and iamp.
I tried my bestest with DP but clicked his filter and he is on 4 pages so probably not a good idea.
Felt like he was the most active/townie person last game and completely disappeared this game so felt like a good place to start.

On August 28 2023 04:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:

shh i know how it sounds that's already why i added "mafia" there

On August 28 2023 04:03 Koshi wrote:

Opening felt genuine. I can see her wanting to play mafia and being sad rolling town and making a post about it.

On August 28 2023 04:07 Koshi wrote:

That's not my point.

On August 28 2023 04:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:

afaik she was working (after night in Euro), posted one hour before shift ends, then posted almost exactly 1hr after that, and the game ended a couple of hours after. So i can understand if she really didn't just have time to post before she did, and the game was kinda over already at that point.

Unless ofc you say she was very active in scum QT, you would know that?

On August 28 2023 04:25 Koshi wrote:

As soon he gets pressure for his shitfight he drops it.
So in his head Vivax was being an idiot to just fuck with him? And that makes Vivax mafia?
Don't buy it. He went over the top way too fast.

On August 28 2023 04:27 Koshi wrote:

What? No. I haven't seen anybody irl.

On August 28 2023 04:34 Koshi wrote:
After that DP does nothing.
So really activity is the only reason to not lynch him.

Him fucking up the thread and misreading obvious things would be a good reason to lynch him.

On August 28 2023 04:40 Koshi wrote:
jacob next as well. So hard to read.

On August 28 2023 04:42 iamperfection wrote:

ok as in ?

On August 28 2023 04:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Fuck, VE is mafia isn't he?

On August 28 2023 04:47 Koshi wrote:
I don't know if I like TTT full filter though. Feels like he is waiting on something to happen and jump on it. He is making really safe/"smart" posts and I can see a sneaky mafia. Would I ever lynch TTT with that filter? No. Can I say he is not mafia? No.

On August 28 2023 04:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like the Mathenalis shit looks even worse in contrast to this:

On August 28 2023 04:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I mean i know he said he is suspicious of Chezinu in the post where he voted for mathenalin, but i didn't even remember reading those posts at the start of the game.

There should be no reason pretty much why Chezinu should be even remotely off his "watching hook".

On August 28 2023 07:13 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Also gay 60 don't tell me you're *gasp* 30?!?! (Is also 30 this year)

On August 28 2023 08:21 TankTopTiger wrote:
Hi. I read the thread while in bed and so I'm caught up.

Vote is currently split between VE and Chez, with VE set to go down.

I don't have anyone else I'd prefer to lynch, but I don't think these are great lynches. Feels LAL. Basically, both players are off, but assuming differences in play is due to alignment shift with no underlying mechanistic explanation is dumb. I've seen VE as scum, and it didn't look like this. I'm actually darker on VE now since I last mentioned him, because I think his responses have been nothing at all, but I still don't feel great about it.

I think Chez is a better lynch. VE is playing rubbish as either alignment, but I see this as NAI. Chez however isn't engaged in his shitposting and that seems like a red flag to me. He's offered zero insight and has been half-hearted in his provocation. He hasn't bargained or given cryptic clues about the game state. He also hasn't adapted to the ban on his seal. I believe last time he started using filters or something? Normally, he is galvanised by a sadistic need to lure people into his cryptic BS. This game, it feels like he's playing solitaire for show and doesn't actually want us to come and play.

On August 28 2023 20:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:

So youre really close to my age <3
39 for a month.

On August 28 2023 10:21 DarthPunk wrote:


I mean, both, as you know.

On August 28 2023 20:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:

do you still look the same as ~15yrs ago? If so then we're both still hot ^_^


On a serious note, isn't this like i will just play? :D

On August 28 2023 11:08 die_meatbaby wrote:


You are next after TTT

On August 28 2023 20:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I read it as weak sauce as well.
But he really believes in it. And like 50% of the time he is correct in it.

On August 28 2023 20:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:

What's the angle here, i cant grasp it.

On August 28 2023 11:25 DarthPunk wrote:


Read my big post.

but yeah I will summarise later. I am supposed to be working after all.

Something to consider:

2 townies on the Math wagon, the lack of traction there is interesting to me.

On August 28 2023 20:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:

probably not as i dont understand

On August 28 2023 16:28 DarthPunk wrote:


For me, vote swapping at the end is only secondarily about changing the lynch.

I have a whole theory behind it if you are interested I’ll post it later when I have a pc

On August 28 2023 20:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Chezinu was, tbh, so townie in the end.

On August 28 2023 20:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:

No. (i get to do this now)

On August 28 2023 20:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The original case is golden.

On August 28 2023 20:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So you think he is town by meta?

On August 28 2023 19:04 JacobStrangelove wrote:


Have I had a day. I'll get on PC in a bit and do proper diving but dp is playing like he knows too much ngl.

I've had a consistent vibe read that he's mafia the whole game even though he is activity high and posting and doing trad town stuff which is useful. I'll have to actually do a proper read though and find out but long story short I'm back in the thread

On August 28 2023 21:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:

no, vivax is town,

On August 28 2023 21:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:

he went to an argument he didnt have to and pushed it for a lifetime...

On August 28 2023 10:45 TankTopTiger wrote:


DMB, everyone is already on my lynch. There is no need to refocus town because unless something changes, I get my way.

Regarding the OMGUS, yes it is in a way, but it's not just that. Town DP doesn't do this. DP respects my late game after Endures I, he made up my aptitude in early game. Town DP does not think that "D1 is when you first post". Town DP does not give up town equity on a scaler over them not having proven themselves early in the game.

You'll note I'm not filtering DP rn. I'm not making a huge war. I'm in a back and forth because I want to get him to take hard stances that he can't take back later if/when I actually go after him.

On August 28 2023 21:22 DarthPunk wrote:


Yeah I understand this, its not as clear cut as you make it out to be in my opinion.

On August 28 2023 21:25 DarthPunk wrote:



Also I don't think being open to different perspectives on posts that are written by people not speaking their native language is bad, I think it is kind, and inclusive.

You do realize you have called me bad and mafia every game that we have played this year, right?

and in exactly zero of these games have I been bad or mafia.

Something to reflect on.

On August 28 2023 21:27 DarthPunk wrote:


He looks bad to me tho. Do you think he is town?

On August 28 2023 03:36 mathenalin wrote:


Well i tried to pretend I had a reason

On August 28 2023 21:33 DarthPunk wrote:


Basically, I think most scum players have a really tough time adapting to rapidly changing dynamics, particularly around lynches. They have to coordinate, their plans are all mixed up, they have to consider how they will maintain a consistent narrative on their vote etc. etc.

Scum often are reluctant to vote and unvote without saying stuff, or providing a reason which can cause them to state things that are just too far out of other peoples lens on the game.

It spews a massive amount of information into the thread and forces people to take positions.

Basically all this stuff really helps solve the game for town.

Also it puts people on edge so that often, if someone looks really townie suddenly, there is the ability to switch off.

Now look, if there is a slam dunk case (such as the one on you in endures 1 ) i don;t do it, tend not to later in the game, but at the start absolutely.

On August 28 2023 21:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:

fucking disagree on every level.

On August 28 2023 21:37 JacobStrangelove wrote:


Look for what it's worth these are all very nebulous I agree. VE has like no reads at all in the entire day one. Looking forward to some tonight hopefully given he's got the day to save himself after not being lynched.

On August 28 2023 21:48 DarthPunk wrote:


Rayn, you tend to get caught up on this stuff, like the technical points or mistakes that people should never make, but people are flawed, everyone makes mistakes or is bad sometimes, that doesn't mean they are objectively bad or mafia every time that happens.

Yes, sometimes it is meaningful, but you need to determine the meaning behind it. In this case, I tend to believe he just held both thoughts without considering that they need to be consistent, something I actually think comes from town, as they don't care about being consistent as much. They just want to solve the game.

On August 28 2023 21:56 DarthPunk wrote:


You don't think you can consider two people as scum who are calling each other scum and have that be consistent?

Rayn is doing it right now with me and TTT.

On August 28 2023 22:00 DarthPunk wrote:
ill try and develop the Mathenalin case a bit more while you are here marv.

On August 28 2023 22:13 Vivax wrote:


Translates to: My scumread on VE was actually a lot more fleshed out but I decided to push Chez harder and Vivax played along on the way.

On August 28 2023 22:11 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Hmm maybe if I sort of summarise the game from memory in a story form I’ll be able to see patterns from my subconscious.

IamPerfection saunters into the thread, “I’m not depressed bois” It’s time to fuck town and be mafia and I’m all out of mafia.

Cheezu sprouts from behind the couch, “I’ve been a bad boy Daddy spank me”

“I’ll spank you later at the end of the day don’t you worry, I’ll tunnel your ass so hard you’ll see daylight out of it”

JSL Pops up “Are we talking Tunneling?” Precedes to seduce Marv before abandoning that endeavour and deciding that Cheezu really was a bad boy.

*Three-way with IamPerfection and JSL starts, Cheezu gets fucked in the middle.

LS comes in and offers JSL snacks dressed in a bathrobe, Math also comes in and uses the bar. Ve sits in the spa naked but does nothing of note.

JSL proceeds to give Math a blow job and Math asks him to say mafia three times fast. All of a sudden. Vixax arrives.

“Did you say MARIA? Screams Vivax! Are you cheating on us with *shocked gasp* GIRLS?”

IAMP slaps Vivax once and says get a hold of yourself. DP comes in and says girls are cool for half an hour wtf is wrong with you we can be bisexual occasionally.

Marvelosity enters the room, his mane is glorious. Everyone appreciates it for a second and then goes to kick VE out of the spa for hogging it.

TTT stumbles out from under the couch bitch slaps DP and DP bitch slaps him back.

The orgy continues as everyone piles on Cheezu. While DP says we should all fuck TTT instead.

Eventually the colossal amount of sex is too much for Cheezu and he’s carted out.

D1 ends.

Hmmm…. This is how I remember the day mostly. Koshi and LS don’t really come up too much in my memory and Die baby kinda rang the doorbell once to deliver pizza but we forgot to answer and didn’t end up getting much out of it.

On August 28 2023 23:12 iamperfection wrote:
vivax if your town and think im mafia you really need to reassess your play.

Marv for the class plz am i town or mafia?

On August 29 2023 05:47 JacobStrangelove wrote:
The math case does look solid so far don't quite like the response looks a bit stiff.

On August 29 2023 11:36 Vivax wrote:


He knew that Chez was town

On August 29 2023 11:42 iamperfection wrote:



Marv can you explain what is sincere about this post in your mind.

On August 29 2023 11:54 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Okay you know what bold move I know. I'm not even under attack yet but I'm going to claim Vanilla Town. Because here's the thing. It's not giving any info to mafia well maybe slightly but not enough to matter and IF this means they don't kill me next and hit a blue that's not Iamperf it'll mean IF there is another blue they'll suddely realise Iamperf is lying. If not it's still low chance of them hitting blue knowing I'm not blue if I'm perf is blue as there's likely only one left.

Also this ups my chance of surviving to day three where I thrive as town by claiming stupid early not blue it takes away options if I was a mafia which isn't something a mafia would want to do certainly not someone who "as mafia" would want to wait til late game to counter claim a blue if I was mafia.

With this though I'm suggesting other town don't claim town over blue though because at that point we would be giving mafia too much information.

On August 29 2023 12:02 JacobStrangelove wrote:


Don't worry this will make sense later.

Okay so Ve's only real read is Math so is DPs who was against both town lynches day one.

I'm going to vote math and then read rayn's filters

##votes Math

On August 29 2023 12:03 TankTopTiger wrote:
Yo.

I'm taking some time off the game. I asked to be replaced but that's hella unlikely to happen. This game feels like a chore to me where I'm getting blasted every time I try to engage with it. I understand why, but that doesn't help me want to play.

I feel bad about this, but I think it's better than the alternative where I either pretend to be engaged or end up fighting people over stupid shit.

gl

On August 29 2023 12:54 iamperfection wrote:

marv and koshi thoughts on this plz.

On August 29 2023 13:07 mathenalin wrote:
I think ls is the lynch. Still no investment, emotional or otherwise, hopped on the chez wagon.

Game hasnt been what i expected now VE has flipped town. Poor play and low activity from him. Plus someone replacing out because of headspace. Like its a text forum game not a war.

I'm being scumread by a lot of people now off of a weak case and responding to it is scummy apparently. I guess im not cut out for this game and don't understand it.

Im voting LS and outta here. Peace

# Vote LightningStrike

On August 29 2023 19:26 iamperfection wrote:

That isn't the words he used he said confirmed.

On August 29 2023 15:46 DarthPunk wrote:


Intial impression:

Dumb.

1st level down: Townish because he has the conspiratorial 'the mafia are after me and im gonna be NK' thing going on, completely lacking the self awareness to understand he is never getting shot and in all likilihood will be facing down a lylo with fucking LS and Math at this rate.

2nd level down: I am worried he is shit posting as mafia and getting away with it.

On August 29 2023 19:30 Vivax wrote:


The wording suggests real knowledge of his alignment. It‘s easy to have that leak out during a joke.

But it‘s also 50/50 that it’s a correct reason. So I‘m dropping it.

At the very least he should have been considering that Chez could turn out mafia.

On August 29 2023 19:33 Koshi wrote:

Is this true? What Vivax is saying.
Is that how you guys could even potentially read what I wrote?

On August 29 2023 19:29 iamperfection wrote:
Who do you want to lynch marv

On August 29 2023 19:39 Vivax wrote:


He said you only remove the vote from Chez if you find mafia.
If Chez is a coinflip or a p-lynch, why can‘t he be mafia ?

So the correct assumption would be ‚if you find a better lynch‘ not ‚if you find mafia‘

I know it seems nitpicky

On August 29 2023 19:41 iamperfection wrote:

Doesn't 1 give up look more real then the other?

On August 29 2023 19:43 Vivax wrote:


For two reasons: One because I‘m very hung up on that detail, two because you don‘t like where I am going with this.

But I understand that it‘s not a good standalone reason which is why I rest my vote until I figure out a better reason.

On August 29 2023 19:47 DarthPunk wrote:


I think ttt giving up seems more real than math: also not the first time he did it in endures 1 as well

On August 29 2023 19:48 marvellosity wrote:

Do you think it’s alignment indicative?

As I really think he looks terrible. Some sort of AtE?

On August 29 2023 19:52 iamperfection wrote:

One obviously looks more real how don't you see it.

On August 29 2023 19:58 iamperfection wrote:
Ttt didn't vote marv. Math did that's why it looks more real.

On August 29 2023 21:09 Vivax wrote:
I have a bunch of issues with this post sequence and what it means for LS' progressions.

(1) : He seems to harbor suspicions for DP but doesn't really spell them out. Initially he even asks Koshi why he's after him.
He thought the fight looked forced, decided DP looked townier, but ignored spelling out an opinion on me that would confirm that he felt it was forced.

(2) He is one of the few who thinks TTT doesn't look scummy. He townread DP but later stated that TTT looked townier for him after having a back and forth with DP. That reads as if he had an expectation that being in a clinch with DP would be a townie thing to do.

(3): He didn't really have a read on VE. But he thought Koshi was obviously mafia and his vote on VE seemed off. But first it seemed off, and afterwards he analyzed the reasons that could make him mafia and concluded nothing.















Not a good look either way. I would vote LS.


##Vote: LightningStrike

On August 29 2023 20:24 DarthPunk wrote:


You are misreading that post about unstoppable wagon he meant the wagon on chez.

I really don’t understand your town read on math at all tbh.

On August 27 2023 12:15 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Yeah I have autocorrect on constantly keeps wanting dp to become do so that'll pop up at some point.

Might be time to have a softish reset and look for teams as interconnected people is all I'm good at. Found it strange that x was backing up y out of nowhere but forget who the people were going to go read.





Oh yeah good point why did you think I was nervous. Just throwing out feelers or legit opinion. Also can't find the afformentioned backing up unless it was ray backing me up...



Typo gate is kinda dumb but feel it's the town kinda dumb it's almost too dumb for mafia intentionality hence my town read.

Vibes initially but backed up by, what would mafia jsl do. Aka if I rolled mafia I would probably lean even more into the troll persona the washy wavey stuff. Also his posted made sense last game despite being cheese styles this game it's... More what I would do tbh. Finding some way to have fun while also seperating ego from it because oh I wasn't trying seriously anyway that kind of behaviour.

On August 28 2023 08:21 TankTopTiger wrote:
Hi. I read the thread while in bed and so I'm caught up.

Vote is currently split between VE and Chez, with VE set to go down.

I don't have anyone else I'd prefer to lynch, but I don't think these are great lynches. Feels LAL. Basically, both players are off, but assuming differences in play is due to alignment shift with no underlying mechanistic explanation is dumb. I've seen VE as scum, and it didn't look like this. I'm actually darker on VE now since I last mentioned him, because I think his responses have been nothing at all, but I still don't feel great about it.

I think Chez is a better lynch. VE is playing rubbish as either alignment, but I see this as NAI. Chez however isn't engaged in his shitposting and that seems like a red flag to me. He's offered zero insight and has been half-hearted in his provocation. He hasn't bargained or given cryptic clues about the game state. He also hasn't adapted to the ban on his seal. I believe last time he started using filters or something? Normally, he is galvanised by a sadistic need to lure people into his cryptic BS. This game, it feels like he's playing solitaire for show and doesn't actually want us to come and play.

On August 29 2023 22:27 iamperfection wrote:

I really don't understand what your doing if your town.

On August 29 2023 23:11 LightningStrike wrote:

Marv not exactly hard pushing things is a bit concerning but he been giving his thoughts every time he was around. But him voting TTT over me in that situation is ???? A slight scum read atm I do want him to explain more so why he voting TTT over me even though he admitted about the circumstances for me and TTT.

On August 29 2023 23:19 iamperfection wrote:

I think his vote of ttt is pretty ??? As well

On August 29 2023 23:24 iamperfection wrote:

Because it's a coin flip I think and it feels to me your being a bit lazy. Plus you said your willing to consolidate it doesn't feel like your taking a leadership type role I would expect

On August 29 2023 23:33 Koshi wrote:

Quelle punishment. No ty.
Let's just lynch him no questions asked tomorrow.
Way more fun.

On August 30 2023 00:31 marvellosity wrote:

Why is it a coin flip iamp? Because of a give up post? Don’t be weak.

On August 30 2023 01:54 Vivax wrote:


Nothing ruins a perfectly good wagon like collective, ego-driven overthinking.

Which I was often guilty of in the past when it was more of a vying for attention in large games.

On August 30 2023 04:44 iamperfection wrote:
You martyred yourself as town marv wtf happened?

On August 30 2023 15:44 JacobStrangelove wrote:


Thoughts?

On August 30 2023 10:44 TankTopTiger wrote:
I've been talking to Grack and he's encouraged me to keep playing. But if I do, it's not going to be in filter-diving F5 try-hard mode where I argue back and forth for hours. I'm gonna say my piece and if I die I die.

I think LS is town. don't understand or agree with his reasons for reading me green. But that thing where he brought heat down on himself unnecessarily didn't feel like something he would do as red. I think lynching him is another mistake.

By vibe, I think Lamp is town, I just really really don't like his blustery playstyle and would prefer to eat razorblades than read his filter. I think he's bad town, but I think he's town. Trying to shut down conversation at the lynch of D1 in order to lynch Chez for no real stated reason makes me very dismissive of his approach to the game.

I don't like Marv but haven't gone through filter, I'll go into reasons why when I'm back (I'm waiting on a pick-up that's already half-hour late). His misinterpretation of my post, then insistence that DP has it wrong is just wild considering he uses the exact same argument I made in his own defense, but insists after filter diving me twice that the interpretation where I'm scared of dying with only one vote on me while Chez has all of them is the better call. Delusional if town.

I still don't like DP, but understand that basically my entire read on him relies on meta from outside the game and positionally I can never really hope to lynch him. If he denies what I've said regarding his selective forgetting of our RL conversations, he confirms to me that he's scum, but ultimately until I'm dead and confirmed town nobody will ever take it seriously because it's non-verifiable.

On August 30 2023 17:15 Koshi wrote:

Such a good post.
I also still don't like DP.
DP/marv scumteam 😱😱😱

On August 30 2023 17:41 marvellosity wrote:
LS is like 80% mafia here. For those who know my list posts, he would be in red but not bold red.

Birthday aside his investment has been below what I expect from LS. I haven’t seen any emotional incongruence from him, and it was his birthday, that’s why it’s not higher than 80. He believes math is mafia (I think?!) judging by his reaction to math’s give up post.

Maybe they’re actually just mafia together and I was very wrong about math. I don’t really want to be wrong about that though.

On August 30 2023 17:49 DarthPunk wrote:
Ok Marv is town I think.

Marv what’s your confidence interval on math should I trust your eyes more than my own here or is it a situation where it’s just a coin toss who is right??

On August 30 2023 17:51 DarthPunk wrote:


tone around quitting and coming back.

As an aside It would be an incredibly messed up appeal to emotion in my opinion if he does that as mafia.

I have done something similar back in the day but it definitely isn’t in the wheelhouse for most people.

I also don’t think it’s in his wheelhouse tbh.

On August 30 2023 18:20 DarthPunk wrote:
Also ttt do you think that ls should be reading you town??

It’s a very odd read cause he usually goes along with thread sentiment.

On August 30 2023 18:49 Koshi wrote:
marv or iamp I will be filtering DP in 30 mins. If you are here for feedback that would be nice.
I know he is mafia and will prove it but too many people asking questions at work to do it during hours.

On August 30 2023 19:15 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Like I'm genuinely confused you're like why is ttt town also btw I've snuck my vote of him because I feel town(?) thinks hes town

On August 30 2023 19:46 Koshi wrote:
All the reasons DP is mafia:

1) DP was quite active part 1. In part 2 he wasn't there at the start which is a style break. But when he came in the thread, he came in swinging. Was this overcompensating for missing the first xx hours of the game?

1a) "You want to talk iamp meta?"

Why did DP misread this exchange?
Why did DP misread this 3-5 times because I taunt him after he made this comment.
Because he isn't reading and just looking for fights.

1b) "Are you for real with this Vivax?"




So 30 mins after misreading my comment he goes into this weird fight with Vivax. Was it over the top? What triggered him? Maybe the Vivax vote on him? Why would a townie be so angry for that?

Who knows. But I know that after TTT attacked DP for it, DP said Vivax looked quite townie after all.


What could have happened?


Coincidence? I think not.

On August 30 2023 19:56 DarthPunk wrote:
Anyway I’m not going to really be able to defend myself much. Because , as I stated earlier I have work stuff on tomorrow and my jet lagged girlfriend wants some sleep now without phone posting.

So if I get lynched here it’s unfortunate.

But lynch koshi afterwards when I flip town please.

He basically is claiming scum at me or he is a legit c-tier town player

Either way must die.

LS/koshi/math is a good place to look.

On August 30 2023 20:29 TankTopTiger wrote:
Marv trying to lynch LS. Hmmmmm...

I understand and agree somewhat, but don't feel it's enough to confirm him town.

On August 30 2023 21:20 die_meatbaby wrote:


I forgot that the vig has only one shot.
Thinking of somebody who can shoot more than one time maybe explain for you my dumb reaction.

On August 30 2023 21:59 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Also if you don't think mafia is ttt ls and die baby. Who does it make most sense to be mafia or town out of those voting ls.

On August 30 2023 22:15 JacobStrangelove wrote:


Look ngl it does look like I could be them. But I'm thinking if we don't vote them and end up voting out town it sucks but then we've basically caught the scum team. If we do vote them out and based on voting patterns they aren't scum we're truly fucked where anyone could be scum between koshi math dp you, maybe some of them still ya know?

On August 30 2023 22:25 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Yeah o haven't read recent games and need to sleep now. You might be right but I still want all of town to consider it strongly. Do you trust the people voting with you?

On August 30 2023 23:01 iamperfection wrote:
Has anyone heard the theory that Mafia sometimes look too clean.

On August 30 2023 23:07 iamperfection wrote:

Dp already stated he didn't think ttt isnt capable of a play stating irl reasons as a scum to defame dp. Isn't the simplest explanation is ttt is town.

On August 30 2023 23:21 iamperfection wrote:

So you just think dp is wrong?

On August 31 2023 02:23 iamperfection wrote:
Are both marv and dp possible together. That would be spicy.

On August 31 2023 06:19 DarthPunk wrote:
Like if people genuinely feel like I am out of line with my behaviour in the game, then I am happy to unpack that later. Cause I think that is a valid criticism.

On August 31 2023 15:29 mathenalin wrote:
easiest day of my life

On August 31 2023 16:21 DarthPunk wrote:
I know this is wifom but does anyone actually think I would swap off as mafia?!?!

On August 31 2023 16:39 DarthPunk wrote:


Is part of the reason you always want to lynch me because of memories of my scum play??

On August 31 2023 16:54 DarthPunk wrote:


Ahah. you don’t get the way I choose to communicate how I think.

Something like that.

Do you think I need to change something??

How could I improve coach?

On August 31 2023 16:55 DarthPunk wrote:


Does koshi look town to you in this game?

On August 31 2023 16:59 DarthPunk wrote:


I was being genuine. I think you may have read sarcasm there. I’m always open to feel back from my newbie coach after all.

On August 30 2023 18:00 marvellosity wrote:

It’s really like this. If math had continued posting like he had been posting all game I’d be sitting here telling you he was town. For aforementioned reasons. I can quote (well I’m not on a pc so I can’t) 5-10 posts I think sound very natural, confident, blasé, however you want to say it - and I think they’re very difficult to post and maintain as mafia.

The problem I’m increasingly coming up against the more I think about it is that he give up post is so incongruent with any of that. He came under pressure and delivered what I thought was a nice defence to the case. But then peaced out.

I’m really struggling to marry the confident, tonally excellent math with the giving up math. It feels like those 2 players can’t be the same person. So maybe they’re just not. It /is/ a lot easier to marry up a math who was only faking confidence etc, had his confidence hit by a lot of pressure, and folded.

I haven’t really got a firm conclusion here tbh which I’d really like to. I’m not 80% on him anyway.

On August 31 2023 21:05 JacobStrangelove wrote:
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Oh look starting us off early is JSL coming in hard and deep on LS, I've never seen such piston action. Look it's inspired the other Math and Koshi and jumping right in there! It's not a threeway without four people as I always say.

Oh look there's marve sauntering in bringing TTT in chains, JSL's adhd has gotten the better of him and he's wandered over as well.

Not willing to let a hole go unfilled Vivax goes over to LS to continue the degredation. "I think he's looking for those bonus sloppy seconds points Grack"

"Indeed he could be... Oh look what's this Math has entered the room and Immeditally JSL and Perfection sprint at him. They're like rabbits in heat JSL must be going for a triple but no! Perfection sneaks in just before him and the crowd goes wild"

"That'll be a lot of points lost not getting three in a row first, Rookie error from the former heavyweight champion"

"Dp joins in for some DP of math" Things are heating up in the fuckerdome.

Marv decides he's had enough of whipping TTT and moves over to LS instead oh boy never have I seen one man take so much dick.

"OH WATCH OUT WATCH OUT RKO DIE BABY OUT OF NO WHERE JUMPS ON DIE BABY"S DICK RIGHT AS HE"S COMING" "That's a pro gamer move if I've ever seen it, Oh there she goes she's slapping him now!"

Viavx shouts from across the room hey another one get the combo and die baby immeditally runs over to start fucking LS

"Those team points there for the win, If the Die Vivax team make to to regionals this year they're sure to be a hot contender" "They surely have the Talents to make it"

JSL starts pleading with others to fuck Math instead. "My dick can't take it much longer but I need the extra orgy points"

Dp decides he's had enough of LS and agree's that it's better JSL gets the points than that whore Koshi who's currently in second place and there's two many people and he isn't getting enough time so he moves over to math instead and sticks it in his ear. "Any Whole's a goal as they say"

Perfection decides this his his moment. and goes back to fucking LS.

"Sadly while LS did a lot of work and performed admirably as cumslut he Just was too far behind in points after the first event and didn't make up enough points to make it to round three."

On August 31 2023 04:04 Koshi wrote:
2) Math, Chez and VE.

We are currently on page 4 of DP his filter and except for shitfighting with Vivax and me he hasn't done shit. So after rayn, marv, iamp and Koshi talk about VE and vote VE. DP comes in the thread and starts with saying he doesn't want to lynch VE but wants to lynch math.
You are all free to look yourself and look for posts of DP looking into Math but you won't find any except these:





the next post after voting math we get this:


I will come back to this but first all mentions about math in DP filter page 4-5-6-7:



I BUT ALSO DP WANTS YOU TO DOUBLE CHECK WHAT I WRITE. GO LOOK INTO 80 POSTS OF DP FOR MENTIONS OF MATH. You will only find the above and this:
spoiler cuz holy fuck:
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Ok. So in 80 posts aka 4 pages we only got 2 reasons:
1) math checked the temperature before voting
2) math said he pretended to have a reason. But if you read the conversation with rayn it is not that he caught pretending to have a reason but that he pressured with pretending to have a reason. So I am not sure what DP is saying that townies don't do that. DP most likely just read "pretend" and went with it.

Now asks yourself. Is this good enough for DP to not follow marv; rayn, iamp; koshi into VE? Maybe yes because he townreads VE for reasons given in his big catch up post which I am too stupid for to understand but you can go and figure it out.

But are there other targets that DP should have voted instead of math?




This is bottom page 6.

So I ask again. Should DP be on mathelin or TTT?
He ended up on math over TTT over VE.
Why?
Mafia!DP knew VE and Chez would flip town and was preparing misslynch number 3. That's why.