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On May 23 2023 18:51 marvellosity wrote: So how did the meta evolve since I last played? - Slam can spam now two pages by himself instead of one - Koshi is even better D1, "random" gutreads always good, almost always mafia - Idk what else, i didn't roll town for almost two years i think  | ||
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On May 23 2023 18:59 DarthPunk wrote: When I posted about activity I was hoping to see who would post in response and was lurking as that can be a sensitive topic for mafia that need to seem productive or match their town play. How would you separate this behavior if you are not meta'ing anything? | ||
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On May 23 2023 19:12 VisceraEyes wrote: What's in here is all right. I'm a little weirded out by DP wanting to lynch marv right away, it's inherently unhelpful as A) marv hasn't historically been moved by pressure, especially on D1, and B) has marv like ever been lynched on D1? Like, idk I haven't played in a decade but as I recall he has vet shielding as someone who can solve the game later. Is that the joke? Was DP literally just being funny? Meh. A) he doesnt actually want to lynch marv, just pressure because it would: [...]that is likely to produce a lot of something that may be alignment indicative. [...] , but..B) he doesnt want to pressure marv either Oo | ||
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Care to elaborate why though? I don't agree with a lot in the content of the post but i have a similar conclusion about DP's alignment atm. I would rather call him mafia (as i would you as well), than town. | ||
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On May 23 2023 19:19 Koshi wrote: the pressure is real. Copcake was a good find last time. But we rarely play so not sure if it was luck or my raw and vast intellect & deduction skills. I never doubt your skills, you found Rels too. Just to have some other dummies to prevent from lynching them for some time. | ||
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On May 23 2023 19:22 DarthPunk wrote: Care to share how you don’t agree with the content but arrive at the same conclusions? You would want to pressure marv (and you don't think he is town), to gain so vital information from him or others, but you don't want to do that too. At least you aren't doing that if you in fact want to do that. | ||
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On May 23 2023 19:24 marvellosity wrote: It’s difficult not to latch on to very old meta feelings when I have nothing else to go on. I have always felt VE sounds inherently more reasonable near the start of the game as mafia. It may also be that I just like teasing VE. Okay, do you have any town reads atm? | ||
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On May 23 2023 19:26 die_meatbaby wrote: It's my first game, but I have a feeling that raynpelikoneet and Vivax are hiding somewhere. I probably would lynch one of them. Why do you feel like this? | ||
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On May 23 2023 19:33 DarthPunk wrote: This is so fun by the way. I missed this! But you didnt even do anything fun!! | ||
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On May 23 2023 19:40 Koshi wrote: Personally I would vote Vivax. He got you into this game, only fair you vote him out. Balanced. I think she got 2 out of 2 wrong though. | ||
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Because i think Vivax is town. | ||
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On May 23 2023 19:50 marvellosity wrote: I know I ignored your question to me, but why? Because he paid attention to something i said, in which not most of the people should even pay attention. :D Not a clear cut but yeah still the strongest read of mine as per now. | ||
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On May 23 2023 19:54 marvellosity wrote: Okay, I mildly liked his comment about you being a bit ‘short breathed vibe wise’ (not that I necessarily agree with that), was curious if it was the same reason It was not that. | ||
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Now you ruined it for your possible mafia buddy Meapak to townfirm himself ^^ | ||
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On May 23 2023 20:02 Koshi wrote: Damn. I am already thinking marv is mafia. This might become a problem. Probably will, if youre town. | ||
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On May 23 2023 20:06 DarthPunk wrote: Well that makes no sense to me. Maybe I’m missing some meta, would you care to elaborate ? Actually it makes no sense to me either after consideration.. | ||
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On May 23 2023 20:15 DarthPunk wrote: Ok die meat baby is a hard town read at this point fwiw. i agree here | ||
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On May 23 2023 20:16 Koshi wrote: Not sure. Was there TMI that she and Vivax are different alligned? really Koshi? | ||
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I misread the eyes on my post for something they definitely were not. | ||
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Just for that? And no justification on the fact Koshi pointed out that she IS a first time player (unless lies), so how can she ACTUALLY feel so sure about Vivax being mafia (unless explained better). Just for that? | ||
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On May 23 2023 20:44 Koshi wrote: Man... I have so much issues with the fact town friend Vivax brings a new person to the game and this person goes full on attack mode on Vivax while the reasoning is complete nonsensical Discord stuff and rayn and Darthpunk just gobble it up. I agree with you dont worry. | ||
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On May 23 2023 14:31 marvellosity wrote: Good morning. Lynches are gonna be interesting in the middle of the night for us Europeans D: boring On May 23 2023 18:51 marvellosity wrote: I am refreshing my iPad more than I care to mention. And working hard obvs. So how did the meta evolve since I last played? super boring On May 23 2023 19:54 marvellosity wrote: Okay, I mildly liked his comment about you being a bit ‘short breathed vibe wise’ (not that I necessarily agree with that), was curious if it was the same reason On May 23 2023 19:56 marvellosity wrote: I gathered that :p Here i thought he was going somewhere but then i realised i was being super stupid and that makes him super stupid and boring.... idk, just not smart. | ||
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On May 23 2023 21:01 die_meatbaby wrote: Koshi could be mafia as well but I am not quite sure yet... I am waiting and watching before voting on him. Could you elaborate on why Vivax is definitely mafia? | ||
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marv mafia? dp town? vivax town? ve? | ||
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On May 23 2023 21:14 marvellosity wrote: I don’t want to clog up the thread too much getting into an argument about this. But anyway  - I did not ask because I wanted it to go anywhere ever, but because meta of both people and sites is genuinely interesting and nothing else was happening.If you hadn’t played somewhere in a long time, wouldn’t you be curious how the play style has evolved? I dont think that's the point, and i would not hold you accountable on something like that alone on my end. What's your opinion on people now? | ||
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You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say. | ||
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On May 23 2023 21:23 marvellosity wrote: How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me? Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work. If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it. | ||
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On May 23 2023 21:29 marvellosity wrote: If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI. You really don't think Koshi's case on her has any merit? | ||
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On May 23 2023 21:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: You really don't think Koshi's case on her has any merit? Same question for DP. | ||
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On May 23 2023 21:32 marvellosity wrote: I didn’t say that. But I can also think of many plausible interactions in her/Vivax friendship outside this game which could lead to her saying those things as town. Don’t you agree? I know it is possible, i just don't think it is plausible. | ||
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no i agreed wrong | ||
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On May 23 2023 21:39 marvellosity wrote: If it’s not plausible, why are you not voting for her? I dont vote unless i feel like i am sure at the time, i guess you missed that on meta | ||
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On May 23 2023 21:42 marvellosity wrote: Literally none of this bud :p I am saying town (as a collective entity) should make a big effort to discern MB’s alignment by getting her to explain her thoughts. If she is town, mafia will really be wanting her to be one of their (town) lynches so it would be great to eliminate that. If she is mafia, we should be able to pull that out as well. I.e win win yes. even i got this and i am smarter than DP... wait.. :D | ||
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intentionally probably mostly same as yours. She was being active and with "no fear", also accusing two people from which one i know to be town and another one i assume(d) is town, and she latched on that one instead of me, and didn't let go. | ||
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I love you still man <3 | ||
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On May 23 2023 21:45 marvellosity wrote: If it’s not plausible, then you should be sure? If it is plausible (which it is) then I’m right. I am sorry if i am not that good at english. I think there is a possibility Vivax and die_meatballs had such an interaction somewhere before, she thinks Vivax is mafia now without a doubt. I just dont thin it is likely, but still i would like her to explain her stance before i cast my (even first) vote. Goodio? | ||
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On May 23 2023 21:49 DarthPunk wrote: So you changed your mind based on that post she made regarding beating vivax? I changed my mind based on the post Koshi made, that made me realise i could be wrong, because that post made sense. | ||
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On May 23 2023 21:55 marvellosity wrote: It wasn’t quite what I was getting at though. What I meant is I can envisage that a town MB could treat Vivax in this way based on their general relationship outside of this thread. And she probably is. I don't think the poker thing in her post is a lie for a second. But if and *when* that is NOT a lie, she should be aware (as a gambler/at least gamer) that she can't figure out Vivax as mafia without any reasoning at all. I guess this might change if she GAVE the reasoning, but apparently she is unwilling to, while asked multiple times. | ||
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but this is so bad... which one of you is bad? one is mafia one is bad. IT DOESNT SAY WHY SHE THINKS VIVAX IS MAFIA WITH ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE?????? | ||
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On May 23 2023 22:10 die_meatbaby wrote: I already explained why I think you and Vivax are mafia. In the first few pages you can see that you too where always answering at the same time and being off at the same time. So I only can think of you too where writing your plans on discord how you can hide. I still not sure who is the 3th mafia member, but we will find out. So you think me and Vivax were writing our thoughts on the thread at the same time because we were wrting also onb discord on how to hide? And you after that said you are sure Vivax is mafia, like completely and utterly sure. Why does that not apply to me as per your earlier investigations? And how are you so sure? | ||
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you are def. mafia it makes it easier for me too | ||
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gotta sleep a little, have to be at work in 5 hrs | ||
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On May 24 2023 01:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Good morning y'all, I have completed my first read of the thread. I'm currently feeling pretty good about Koshi and that's about it. I was ready to insta townread VE then he stopped posting as much come back friend.I think the meatbaby conversation has actually created some very decent content for D1 reads. I'm currently in the "meatbaby is probably town" category but I'll be honest that read flipped several times while I was reading the thread. Vivax has been unimpressive so far DarthPunk is OK, I've found myself agreeing with several of his points. I guess he counts as a soft townread. Marv has been almost useless. I'm gonna get on my computer and reread the thread a few times then write a little bit more on Marv if my current read of him holds up after some more attention. This really feels like "i made up some talking points and then i am gonna talk about them" rather than "i read the thread and here is what i think". | ||
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On May 24 2023 04:35 marvellosity wrote: Rayn what do you make of MZ’s case on me? I am heavily biased, naturally. Let me look at it better in an hour or so, i have something urgent i need to do at work atm. | ||
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On May 24 2023 06:28 Koshi wrote: Also we are perfectly capable ruining this game without your help so no help needed. thank you for this, it made my day | ||
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Koshi Lightningstrike marvellosity Probably not Darthpunk either. From what i know DP is very aware of the state of the game when he is mafia, not afraid to engage in conversations with his scumbuddies, basically he tends to look very town especially early on. This game i feel like DP is more like.. clueless(?) at times, and i think it's more likely genuine "i don't know what's going on" rather than "i pretend i don't really know what's going on". If DP would be mafia he would probably be mafia with two peopel who haven't posted yet. VE goes to the same category. I don't really agree with his conclusions, hell i don't even know why he writes what he writes but i don't really think VE as mafia would write what he writes. Vivax looks active and i'd say more likely town too. I didn't hate his last post, although there is a creeping suspicion about him and meatbaby goin like "hey can i say this in thread" -- "yeah it's fine, noone will believe you anyways and it's great distancing anyways", but i don't really have any other reason to think Vivax is mafia atm, and that reasoning in itself is stupid. Would lyncherino: meatbaby -- what Koshi said MZ is tricky. Last couple (three?) games i have been mafia and every time MZ goes to post something D1 i go like "man how the hell can anyone think anything like that (he has been town)?!?!?!" and then i go "man, how the hell can anyone think MZ is mafia?!?!?" and everyone wants to lynch him.. I don't get the same feeling at all here. Maybe it's because i am not mafia and i am looking at the game differently with not all the information. I can see MZ genuinely thinking marv is mafia but something just doesn't sit right there. Slam is the least of these three. It's not really alignment indicative for him to "cling" on someone and answer to (all of) their posts, but nothing really makes me think he is town. Probably not mafia together with marv is my best conclusion atm. Everyone who has not posted can also die for all i care. Or anyone who has posted and i had not in my list. | ||
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On May 24 2023 16:48 Koshi wrote: Just downgrade Vivax after mebaby flips red due to the tinfoil he mentioned for 3/3 I think this is actually one of the very rare cases where, if mebaby is mafia, she spewed Vivax town. | ||
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On May 24 2023 17:19 marvellosity wrote: don't think this is a terrible tinfoil though I think it is but we can talk about that later in more detail. It's not really important now. | ||
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On May 24 2023 07:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: [...] Vivax looks active and i'd say more likely town too. I didn't hate his last post, although there is a creeping suspicion about him and meatbaby goin like "hey can i say this in thread" -- "yeah it's fine, noone will believe you anyways and it's great distancing anyways", but i don't really have any other reason to think Vivax is mafia atm, and that reasoning in itself is stupid. [...] She pretty much instantly responds: On May 24 2023 07:56 die_meatbaby wrote: Me and vivax never talk about the game ever 2 pc´s 2 different rooms. Also if I have questions i would write the host and not asking him. Think about it a little bit from the PoV that they are both mafia? | ||
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On May 24 2023 17:39 marvellosity wrote: Can we get some MZ discussion up in here? Promise we can still talk about MB too… Sure, i have to sleep though, for like three hours and then run some errands (and a bit later sleep a bit more). I should be around a while in ~5hrs and from about 8pm GMT until deadline. | ||
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On May 24 2023 20:56 Koshi wrote: I was not town for her at that time. The other person must be rayn or DP and they were not town for her at that time. So she went to check some magical previous game in which she found the exact scenario in which mafia!marv owned us and we are still butthurt about it and she writes "new game guis don't be buuthurt" which fucking indicates she reads the attackers as town. Can someone explain to me what this is about? | ||
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On May 24 2023 23:46 Koshi wrote: The question is if what she wrote here is saying that marv scammed us means that marv was mafia and we were fooled. Then there is this. Which may or may not tie to her previous comment but here she says that in cruise some people were pissed of at marv. So I do 1+1 and tie both comments together and see the second comment as some sort of explanation why she made the first comment. Then I checked the cruise game. And the explanation doesn't hold water because marv wasn't even mafia that game and lost as inactive town. Which game is World Party mafia because i can't find it in marv's database entry? | ||
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On May 23 2023 23:09 die_meatbaby wrote: It seems like you guys stucking in an old game here where he maby scammed you hard und you still angry or scared of him. New game new Mafia... DMB who exactly are you referring to here? | ||
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On May 25 2023 00:00 marvellosity wrote: Rayn, are you gonna ride with Koshi? Apparently i have to go somewhere in an hour for a while so i don't get to sleep anyways so i guess i am gonna be awake as long as i can and sleep all tomorrow. I am not sure yet, i agree with Koshi that DMB's explanation on this whole marv situation (read?) doesn't make any sense at all. Like i know for a fact i didn't play in those games she has checked, i know for a fact i don't fear your scumgame -- i have literally pushed a case on you through when there was another dude who had literally claimed mafia. I would fear you if youre town and i am mafia, but that doesn't make me do a shitty case on you because you and i both know that will not work, been there tried that once. Like, if she is talking about me there, there is simply 0% chance that i would give any sort of implication she is saying, either as town OR mafia. Hell i didn't even play in the game she is referring to. | ||
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On May 24 2023 19:09 die_meatbaby wrote: rayn changed the way he writes after i wrote he and V are Mafia. I can´t really explain this. I work with people and when the get scared the change the way of talking/writing. It feel differnt since page 5. i don´t know how to explain this. Like this is super bullshit and everyone should know it. I couldn't care less about someone saying i am scum because i posted when some other person posted, if i was mafia. Complete trash made up shit. | ||
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On May 25 2023 00:28 die_meatbaby wrote: when i was writing this dicord bullshit you didn´t give a fuck but now you too. Now when i am out. smart I have absolutely no intention to write Koshi's posts again if i agree with them. | ||
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On May 25 2023 00:34 die_meatbaby wrote: So you are unable to form your own opinion and wrap it up in words and phrases and post it. It always more save to just say yes to somebody who has a strong opinion than to tell your own. Normaly i would ad another sentence, but I know my bf wouldn´t be happy when i am writing my strong thoughts again Well here is something, i don't know if it is original or not. Here's what i gather from your play. First you call Vivax and me mafia because we posted at the same time in thread. A bit later you literally say you are absolutely certain Vivax is mafia based on that, since there is nothing else from your posts at the time that suggest other reasoning. Now further on, you call that "discord bullshit" by your own words, so i can only imagine - from town perspective - that it would be just a way to gather reactions from people (us). Now from my part, when you expand on the reasoning of me being mafia, i KNOW for a fact that the reasoning MUST be a whole lot of bull because i haven't expressed ANY of those kind of characteristics you pointed out, and i KNOW (and other people should know too), that even if i was mafia, i would not do what you said i did. On Vivax your read has apparently changed to that he is not posting while being here. In fact Vivax has made probably as much posts as you have, and truth to be told he is mostly addressing you or answering you in his posts. I don't find that scummy at all, since people tend to react when they are called mafia, and try to argue their way out of the accusation regardless of if they are town or mafia, actually even more likely when they are town, since they know they are wrongfully accused of something. Right now nobody agrees with your reasoning on Vivax being mafia regardless of what they think of Vivax' affiliation. What you are doing, and have been doing pretty much the whole game, is trying to convince Vivax of Vivax being mafia. Can you see how counter-productive that is if youre town? Do you think Vivax agrees he is mafia if you tell it to him over and over again or what's your angle there? Then there is the weird marv stuff where nothing really makes sense. Like Koshi said there were three people at the start of the game "calling marv out". That would be Koshi, me and DP. DP we can discount instantly because that lasted like one page and when marv posted more he dropped it. Koshi is your tip top town read so there should be no reason why a townie (other than Koshi) couldn't express similar behavior. And that only leaves me, which i have already pointed out why the read is trash. You literally did something that lead to absolutely nothing, and when you give reasoning behind your actions, it doesn't show any logical thought process. I understand people think differently and come to different conclusions on same things, but there is simply no logical thought process behind that whole scheme. All in all, summing up, you have: - Whole game tried to convince Vivax that Vivax is mafia - called me mafia for no logical reasoning - not explained your full thought process behind your reasoning on what you have said, or - whenever you do, it makes absolutely no sense So i don't really have any reason to think you are town at the moment, because i can't figure out any logical thought process that comes from a townie behind your actions. If you are town, i suggest -- as marv said already -- you start elaborating on how you came to the conclusions you have come to more clearly. Stop talking to Vivax, and talk to other people. If you really genuinely think Vivax is mafia and you are so sure of it as you have expressed in the thread, try some reading, think about what you post, and try to find a way to express yourself better. As i said, and as many have said, right now you're not doing any good job there. Worst case scenario is that you're town and Vivax is mafia and you're just giving him a legit reason to post (nonsense) stuff that looks like he is contributing, because when you two fight in the thread, so far he's coming out looking way better than you are. So i am just going to drop this here and this: ##vote die_meatbaby ...here. It's up to you to redeem yourself from the situation, i suggest you at least read the post carefully and then think about what you want to do. It's hard to play in your first game for sure, but if you are town you sure do have some sort of logical explanations to your actions -- explanations that make sense from town perspective and are not made up. | ||
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On May 25 2023 01:41 VisceraEyes wrote: I still think the meat train sucks. Like, I'm filtering Vivax now and I'd much rather lynch that than the meaty one. Here I'll show you. Where did the one of marv/DP is scum end and why? | ||
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On May 24 2023 03:31 VisceraEyes wrote: I think there's exactly one mafia inside marv/DP but I don't know which [...] Where did this originally even come from? | ||
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On May 25 2023 02:42 VisceraEyes wrote: So I think it had something to do with how I kinda scumread both of them, but marv was effectively distancing. Honestly I don't remember why I said that specific thing. lol Could you maybe vote Vivax now? I did the thing :D Im not voting for Vivax or most likely anyone at least before DMB starts making some townie processes. | ||
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On May 25 2023 02:45 marvellosity wrote: I think what I’m saying is, can I envisage a world where a town Vivax treats MB in that fashion, given their RL relationship? And the answer is yes. Yes this is most likely correct interpretation of that situation. Talking from experience. | ||
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On May 25 2023 03:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: MZ why do you think Slam is town? Like Slam's biggest "merit" in this game is to call one of your tip top scumreads conf town for basically no reason? | ||
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On May 25 2023 03:16 VisceraEyes wrote: Maybe I just don't see how DMB is actively harming town. [quote]Right now nobody agrees with your reasoning on Vivax being mafia regardless of what they think of Vivax' affiliation. What you are doing, and have been doing pretty much the whole game, is trying to convince Vivax of Vivax being mafia. Can you see how counter-productive that is if youre town? Do you think Vivax agrees he is mafia if you tell it to him over and over again or what's your angle there? [...] Worst case scenario is that you're town and Vivax is mafia and you're just giving him a legit reason to post (nonsense) stuff that looks like he is contributing, because when you two fight in the thread, so far he's coming out looking way better than you are.[quote] there | ||
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On May 25 2023 03:20 VisceraEyes wrote: And rayn I'm telling you that in my experience as town in that position figuring out the person's alignment feels important. You showing me why you think it's the opposite doesn't change my read of it, it just tells me you don't give a shit about what I'm saying. And I already knew that, can you see how counterproductive that is? I am not sure what youre saying here. I am nowhere saying people should not figure out mebaby/Vivax alignment, in fact i am trying to do the opposite. I just know people work in a certain way. Like if i started calling you mafia with shit reasons here and that is all i would do, you would do exactly what Vivax did with mebaby and stop posting other stuff, and almost completely focus on answering my posts only. It's not alignment indicative, especially towards being mafia. You can think she is town and vivax is mafia, and that's fine, hell you can even be right on that. but there is absolutely no way i am going to agree with you over myself at the moment. the only ways this situation gets "better" is if mebaby (who is already scummy) gets lynched, or she starts doing townie things, or vivax either scumtells or towntells real hard so there is no question about his alignment anymore. | ||
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On May 25 2023 03:31 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm referring specifically to Vivax and meat, not the rest of us. You may not know this but my ex Becca has played here. I don't know if anyone here played with her, she only played one or two games. But I played Video Mafia with her too and my read on Vivax/meat is specifically based on my meta knowledge of that dynamic. Okay, and my read on Vivax that he could and maybe even likely would act this way towards mebaby is based on my personal knowledge of dynamic with me and Cake, which has happened. Like i don't doubt mebaby as town would like to figure out Vivax soooo hard especially in her first game, but the evidence suggests imo, that she's not doing it in a townie way at all. I don't think she actually thinks Vivax is mafia, i think she just wants to lynch him. | ||
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On May 25 2023 03:40 die_meatbaby wrote: Pls explain your newbi what I have to do do called townie things. Beeing this agressiv and activ is to risky as mafia... I would just have played a dumb new young girl l. If you are town, i suggest -- as marv said already -- you start elaborating on how you came to the conclusions you have come to more clearly. Stop talking to Vivax, and talk to other people. If you really genuinely think Vivax is mafia and you are so sure of it as you have expressed in the thread, try some reading, think about what you post, and try to find a way to express yourself better. As i said, and as many have said, right now you're not doing any good job there. Worst case scenario is that you're town and Vivax is mafia and you're just giving him a legit reason to post (nonsense) stuff that looks like he is contributing, because when you two fight in the thread, so far he's coming out looking way better than you are. | ||
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On May 25 2023 03:43 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Chezinu Streak Then a couple of games in 2019. I think there was a game in 2020 but I can't remember. Okay, here's your D1 post in that game: On August 31 2022 19:36 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Right now after a first read of the thread I don't think I'm sold on a slam lynch but that's mostly because I have absolutely no idea how to read him. There are people here who swear they can soulread him so more power to them. Why is Slam expressing different behavior so now you can tell he is town. Is it him calling your top scumread conf town, or...? | ||
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On May 25 2023 03:45 marvellosity wrote: Rayn can you chime in on MZ too pls. Our recent interactions. gotta drop cake to work in 5 mins so i will get to that a bit later. i am interested how he is at least this confident in calling slam town here. | ||
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On May 25 2023 03:47 VisceraEyes wrote: Also I missed playing with you rayn I'm having a great time lol me too! overall this is really enjoyable game so far <3 | ||
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On May 25 2023 04:06 die_meatbaby wrote: And i am not thinking V is mafia because I want to lynch him. I know how he plays differnt games. He acts to differnent to be town Please try to elaborate on this as specifically as you can. | ||
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On May 25 2023 03:33 marvellosity wrote: It’s like you’re purposefully misrepresenting what I’m saying, because everything you’re saying I’m saying here - I’m not. I’m no longer engaging with you as whatever I say will get the same manic aggressive responses. I think that's the one post i find actually very townie from MZ, because while it is very clueless and wrong the first time it feels like he actually believes in what he says. | ||
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On May 25 2023 04:22 die_meatbaby wrote: you can and you can vote me out becauce you don´t believe in me beeing town. I am just against vote from V because he don´t think i am mafia and just voting on me of self protection and mostly becauce a was writing some mean words. He vote on me becauce of personal reasons. I was cringed about my snake comment last night, got personly offend from me this morning and just vote becauce he is pissed on me (online not in rl) Vivax elaborate please. | ||
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On May 25 2023 04:26 Vivax wrote: My mood after the rude posts. I think it was in the morning? (1) I am just against vote from V because he don´t think i am mafia and just voting on me of self protection and (2) mostly becauce a was writing some mean words. (3) He vote on me becauce of personal reasons. answers 1, 2 and 3. | ||
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On May 25 2023 04:26 Koshi wrote: rayn I am staying but you will stay till EoD so feel free to switch as well. She will keep posting in futere days and we all know Chezinu will be a ? forever. I am a bit lost here tbh, i think i need more information on anything. Chezinu not bad call if it comes to that. | ||
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On May 25 2023 03:52 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Slam ended up being town last game and honestly I felt like he was playing similarly so far in this one so I felt more comfortable making a gut read. Do you think he's been suspicious so far? Yes, i don't know how he can be so sure marv is town at that point of the game, and you imo should definitely not be (so sure Slam is town -- or like any sure at all as you think marv is mafia). | ||
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On May 25 2023 04:45 marvellosity wrote: I do lightly agree with this. One thing I would say though is that Slam has early townread me in multiple games (I think I re,ember this right). And he likes me when I’m nice to newbies. Even having said that - yes it was very early. I dont think it is that much alignment indicative for slam than it is to MZ, if it wasnt clear. | ||
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On May 25 2023 04:49 Vivax wrote: So you're saying it's too much at once? It's a nonsensical push on me anyways. Same as it was on you. I think it was DP who asked to vig her, not the worst idea. If it's AI I cba to read too much into it on D1 unless she starts shitting up the thread. I also had a myriad of questions probably left unanswered to things I thought made her mafia but I also don't want to overblow her workload considering how much she's probably struggling with the English we use. At least I'll have the splatters on the wall and not on my hands. Machiavellianism be damned. Well tell me why you scumread her then if there is anything not said already in thread? At least it gives me a better idea on your alignment. | ||
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On May 25 2023 04:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I don't need my town reads to agree with all my scum reads, especially since it's a meta/gut read from me on slam. Hell half of my townreads are down with my lynch right now lol. I understand, i just dont know if i believe it's an actual meta / gut read you would have based on what Slam had posted during that time. Has your read on him changed since? | ||
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On May 25 2023 05:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: Maybe she just made a mistake and didn't own it up until it was too late to actually own it up, i think that's the best answer. I mean like thought about someone else, and then for whatever reason didn't answer before she was given the correct answer to just say she made a mistake. Idont know, maybe that doesnt make her mafia at all. | ||
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On May 25 2023 05:05 marvellosity wrote: It does look like a super mafia thing to say. Something I thought is - if a newbie is making a list post, maybe they call out ppl they think is mafia and sort of assume other people are town if they don’t stick in the memory? Still not very satisfying So you think it would be they are mafia together or Chezinu is town and she is calling him town for ??? | ||
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On May 25 2023 05:10 marvellosity wrote: Yeah the latter. Calling him town because she doesn’t remember him doing anything scummy. wait as town or mafia? as in mebaby as town or mafia | ||
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On May 25 2023 05:11 marvellosity wrote: As town. As mafia it’s just a straight slip? but if she is town why does she remember all the other non-posters as non-posters? like i am trying to wrap my head around this a lot here... i dont think she is mafia together with chezinu, i think she would be more cautious about saying something soooooooo bad about her scummate, that's the conclusion i have come to. | ||
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On May 25 2023 05:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi i think we should at least consider some other lynch. It's me you and marv here and every fucking other soul disappeared when we were lynching mebaby and marv said if it comes to that he agrees. Why? | ||
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On May 25 2023 05:20 marvellosity wrote: Yeah okay, I misremembered a bit I think, I thought Chez wasn’t the only ‘mistake’ but Chez is the only one she called town. On the other hand, she lumped Slam and Sentinel together, one who had posted a few times, one obviously not at all - so something not quite right there Has sentinel posted? :O | ||
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On May 25 2023 05:29 marvellosity wrote: First half of filter is really bad newb scumplay, second half would be a really impressive turnaround yes this is what i think as well. | ||
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On May 25 2023 04:58 die_meatbaby wrote: Have fun to vote a new girl out on birthday, I will go sleep gn Like after this post everyone disappears. VE, MZ... | ||
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On May 25 2023 05:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like after this post everyone disappears. VE, MZ... esp VE who is the strong advocator of not lynching mebaby. Like she kind of "seals her fate" of not producing content as asked, then VE what... doesnt give a fuck anymore as his townread is getting lynched? | ||
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On May 25 2023 05:35 marvellosity wrote: I swore I wouldn’t do this but I think I need to see if I can go find how MZ reacts to pressure as either alignment. I honestly don't remember how Meapak would do anything as mafia, if i have ever played with him when he was mafia. I don't even remember how to do town because i think i have rolled mafia in like 2 years straight, but sure as hell this is way more fun!! That i remember :D | ||
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On May 25 2023 05:39 Koshi wrote: As town, I more likely would expect her to continue to be vicious and angry. She would be alone and why break character? this is a good point though. | ||
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On May 25 2023 05:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: I honestly don't remember how Meapak would do anything as mafia, if i have ever played with him when he was mafia. I don't even remember how to do town because i think i have rolled mafia in like 2 years straight, but sure as hell this is way more fun!! That i remember :D + Show Spoiler + no whisky for me from this game, but it's fine, i have my own rum! | ||
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On May 25 2023 05:43 Vivax wrote: If memory serves me correctly he‘s more performative as mafia whereas as town he prefers to be hard to read. Basically where every advanced player wants to end up. The second line doesn't even make any sense. | ||
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On May 25 2023 06:00 Vivax wrote: Do you mind if I postpone it to next day? Also I‘d rather do it with flip info. I just want to have a plausible wagon before I detach from the game for a while. Do you realise you might be a wagon? Another question, have you played kind of a reaction test on anyone in this game? If yes, where? | ||
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On May 25 2023 06:07 Onegu wrote: Also thanks LS for sending me a message on discord like I asked. So who all is in this game? Hrmm maybe its possible for me to be interested in reading... But how the fuck are there 45 pages already isnt this day 1? Like I know there are spammers here but Holyflare and rsoultin arent in this game what the hell. nah you got marv, rayn and koshi instead | ||
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On May 25 2023 06:05 LightningStrike wrote: Not exactly defending himself per say but he did keep posting his thoughts he doesn't exactly give much of his thoughts as scum from what I recalled from what I played vs his scum and read Imperial mafia which was his best scum game for a long time. Regarding Vivax he's a town read of mine so nope I not lynching him. Why is Vivax town? | ||
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On May 25 2023 06:09 LightningStrike wrote: Maybe I am not getting why people were getting paranoid of his scum game though? Regardless though what is your read on Marv atm? This is really out of place. Why would you ask your town read what his read on your other town read is in this situation? | ||
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On May 25 2023 06:11 marvellosity wrote: What bothers me about VE is there is no engagement or acknowledgment with the rest of town for the alternative argument for Vivax’s alignment. can you explain this to me like i am 5? I dont really understand. | ||
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On May 25 2023 06:14 marvellosity wrote: VE makes case on Vivax about how he is treating MB. Both me and you state we can understand a town Vivax playing this way. VE does not engage with us about that at all. Oh okay, then i DID actually understand. I think VE engaged me, i at least thought so, we just agreed to disagree. | ||
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On May 25 2023 06:15 LightningStrike wrote: I wanted to see where he is at with Marv to gain another perspective? Like I know I could be wrong on Marv and all but he never posted it unless I misread his filter. the problem is vivax said pretty much the exact same thing you did, yet you didnt deduce where he stands? | ||
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On May 25 2023 06:23 marvellosity wrote: rayn, I am all in on MZ for today. Okay. I am glad you said that actually, not because i 100% believe you but because i think i can write you as town actually here now (something i was waiting for a while already^^) I think i would rather lynch either Onegu or Vivax. Onegu for that crap ass vote on you which reads only as "look at me i can do that because i am a boss" and Vivax for not calling super paranoid rayn+marv+DP has to be mafia or some other hit like that which he always does as town. If you do not agree, i am willing to sheep. | ||
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On May 25 2023 06:31 marvellosity wrote: I don’t think I can lynch Onegu, is that actually alignment indicative? Why? I think it is. | ||
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On May 25 2023 06:35 Vivax wrote: Rayn does the line of questoning MZ used towards marv at the beginning of his game seem townie to you? I think i said already that no. | ||
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On May 25 2023 06:36 marvellosity wrote: Yeah you might be right rayn tbh. But - I still think MZ is mafia is the thing Okay i will sheep here. We will see N1 if you're off to bed. | ||
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On May 25 2023 06:44 die_meatbaby wrote: i am just scared to leek private things about v. don´t want to hurt anybody here i think you shouldnt, like too private. private is private and amongst you two only. | ||
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On May 25 2023 06:47 VisceraEyes wrote: When in doubt, just make it about something in this thread and not anything else. You don't have meta with Vivax, you wouldn't really be able to use links or previous games effectively, just make you read based on what's in THIS THREAD and you can't go wrong by us OR the mod. this | ||
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On May 25 2023 06:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: onegu too boss to be town. vivax too little paranoid to be town. i think this is correct, first more than second. | ||
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On May 25 2023 06:13 Onegu wrote: Love you Marv but you should know that is not likely to happen. I got the message 30 minutes ago that this game started. Maybe this is helpful ##Vote: Marvellosity This is super duper bad. Town Onegu can vote marv sure, but not like this, this is just to show "look at me i do this you dont think i am mafia for this shit sure!" On May 25 2023 06:21 Onegu wrote: There is no reason I can find for meatbaby to vote me. Therefore he is scum. You are all welcome. ##Unvote ##Vote die_meatbaby 7 minutes later he knows mebaby has no reason to vote for him. 7 minutes... From the marv vote, he even posted once in meantime. sic! then he does some other shit that doesnt really go anywhere and he votes for VE for voting for him, even asks me to vote for VE because VE is voting for him???? ugh.. | ||
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On May 25 2023 07:21 die_meatbaby wrote: This is the most important comment here scene we started. Like this is so true and makes me flip to you as town for now. This is something everybody should read. Thank you for that amazing short god post. I would give you my last beer for that post now engage to the discussion please on other people!!! also give me your last beer! | ||
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On May 25 2023 07:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: i think this is correct, first more than second. Meapak comment? | ||
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On May 25 2023 07:24 Vivax wrote: I‘ma call it a nighty-o 1gu I hope delivers something decent in the future. I don‘t think he read anything at all tbh. LS gets a downgrade for last appearance while rayn is being annoying on me, redeemed by being observant on him tho. I‘m sorry if MZ is town. I‘d also add (to reasons why I think he’s mafia) that his complaint about the egregious posting was warranted, at the same time it felt a bit like he was exaggerating his reaction. Maybe to gain a bunch of cheap cred with those insulted. Should be an interesting angle to revisit at some point. Dont worry i wont be advocating a lynch on you in ANY case (while i think you could be mafia) here. You will live to see D2. | ||
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On May 25 2023 07:25 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Rayn if I tell you I am 100% down for a vivax lynch does that change your read of him? what? | ||
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On May 25 2023 07:29 VisceraEyes wrote: You read it here folx, rayn is actively trying to protect mafia Vivax from the lynch. I think this is where rayn fucked up ladies and gentlemen. Until now his play could be classified as stubborn town, this post right here proves that he's actively trying to harm town, removing the stubborn town possibility entirely because townRayn would never ever not lynch Vivax if he thinks he's mafia if the lynch is viable in this situation. FUCKING GOTTEEEEEEEEMMMMM how many times i have "fucked up" as mafia? | ||
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On May 25 2023 07:31 VisceraEyes wrote: Every time I've ever caught you. how many times have you caught me? :D i dont mean to sound like dick but can you give me one example? at least you didnt go all scum by trying to lynch me before vivax ^^ | ||
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On May 25 2023 07:41 Onegu wrote: I think it does mean he is Mafia. Rayn Vote Him I COMMAND YOU! are you reading or following? | ||
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On May 25 2023 07:45 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm coming at Vivax is what I said bby, that IS coming at you like I said. Tomorrow, frand. Imagine all the whispery mentions of Vivax you've made today. Imagine all the gentle nudgings against any attempt to lynch him. I may not even have to if Vivax flips red the vig INSTANTLY shoots you :D fair enough, is vivax leading on the votes? i guess i should defend him because regardless of his alignment seems like my life depends on it. :D | ||
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On May 25 2023 07:59 VisceraEyes wrote: Yes I absoultely think that because I'd absolutely fight you to death about it and I already told you why. Not even the meta shit that post she made when she came back that I pointed out CEMENTS her as town for me, you wouldn't be able to get it done. Okay. Well Meapak is absolutely mafia though, do whatever you want with that info. | ||
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Ok I'm sorry for being so aggressive, it's not helping the thread. I'm gonna un tunnel myself and decide between DMB and vivax or maybe LighteningStrike. wow these three are the lynch options at the time by thread sentiment, who would have guessed? Following on: On May 25 2023 07:25 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Rayn if I tell you I am 100% down for a vivax lynch does that change your read of him? Why the fuck would anyone think if they want to lynch someone it would change MY read on the said person??? Then he is all on board with Vivax lynch (this is understandable), just to make a case on Onegu and then say he doesn't really think Onegu is mafia?!!?!? He is just running where ever he can to see what sticks, while still maintaining the read on marv and never ever doing anything about it and suspecting the same people marv did. | ||
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On May 25 2023 08:16 Onegu wrote: Rayn you stopped scum reading me but you havent actually gone on VE. Im confused;. Onegu you stopped by in thread when suspicion against you diminished, but you havent actually done anything. I am confused. | ||
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On May 25 2023 08:19 VisceraEyes wrote: IF you quit this bullshit MZ train and lynch Vivax with me it would certainly play in your favor. <3 I dont see it happening, you may hold me accountable if i am wrong though. | ||
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On May 25 2023 07:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I want marv dead more than anyone in this thread but I don't like this . I mean like shiiiittt... | ||
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On May 25 2023 08:27 VisceraEyes wrote: It was a "shiiiiiiit he even still IS tunneled on marv -.- it's really unlikely he's mafia here" shiiiiit. Except that he is not showing he is tunneled at all. But still is. I feel a bit frustrated here but i guess it is okay. It's a mafia game after all, when your "friends" go to bed you gotta deal with the "enemies". I don't think there is any convincing on either of you three who are here now (and idk why MZ should be convinced of MZ being mafia anyways). That is quite clear. So i am just gonna watch how you are gonna turn this around, and comment on when i find something commenting worth. | ||
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On May 25 2023 08:33 DarthPunk wrote: I fell more strongly about a Vivax lynch. I also think you are looking better recently so that's good. :D why is VE looking better recently, and what does that have to do with if you lynch Vivax or MZ or anyone? | ||
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On May 25 2023 08:37 LightningStrike wrote: Hey just got home from dinner and I see a Vivax train is started -_- Seriously though I don't like it and it formed very fast too like wtf????? and are you gonna do something about it? | ||
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On May 25 2023 08:34 DarthPunk wrote: He doesn't like someone voting for his scum read close to deadline. really that's what is bad there? not the guy scumreading the other guy who scumreads his top scumread? | ||
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On May 25 2023 08:43 LightningStrike wrote: Actually if we can find a wagon that isn't Vivax that I like I will join it because I have him as a strong townread. we have MZ | ||
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On May 25 2023 08:34 DarthPunk wrote: He doesn't like someone voting for his scum read close to deadline. shit you are right. me so bad. | ||
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On May 25 2023 08:49 DarthPunk wrote: Just cute and totally right, but i still love you. | ||
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On May 25 2023 08:51 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: If Onegu had stuck on Marv and actually justified his reasons/said he agreed with my analysis/done anything that resembled scum hunting to back up his vote we'd be having a different conversation. Instead he unvoted 8 MINUTES LATER and swung in another direction. Like I said before, scum can vote scum bois, it happens. Onegu throwing a vote on my read and immediately changing it does not clear him to me and it does not change my read on Marv. but your vote is on who??? | ||
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On May 25 2023 08:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: AND TO BE CLEAR ONEGU IS NOT EVEN MY TOP SCUM READ. I feel like people aren't reading my posts clearly. I'd still rather lynch Vivax or LS or even Marv like I've been saying for a while. But again, town can play bad, one of my current suspects could flip town, Marv could wow me and turn into the towniest townie who ever town'd and I'd almost immediately slot Onegu into that spot. I am sorry but if you dont realise marv is town that is almost enough reasoning to lynch you. | ||
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On May 25 2023 07:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: Dont worry i wont be advocating a lynch on you in ANY case (while i think you could be mafia) here. You will live to see D2. | ||
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On May 25 2023 09:06 DarthPunk wrote: Ok let me rephrase. Tell me you won’t lynch vivax On May 25 2023 07:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: Dont worry i wont be advocating a lynch on you in ANY case (while i think you could be mafia) here. You will live to see D2. | ||
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On May 25 2023 09:16 DarthPunk wrote: In the post you linked you literally acknowledge that vivax could be mafia? Why is he voting wrong? because things may and will change in hours between the posts. | ||
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On May 25 2023 09:24 DarthPunk wrote:This is very strange to me because I asked you earlier why I shouldn't lynch vivax and you said you wouldn't stop me but now the Vivax vote from VE is wrong and we are not going to lynch mafia. I think you both may vote for Vivax if you want to, i am not gonna stand in the way. I just don't think you're likely to lynch mafia, although there is a chance he is mafia lol.. I guess that's me saying it's not my preferred lynch in a way, or i dont even know what i am saying anymore, havent slept in almost a day. Do what you do, i dont think there is any more players for me to change their opinion onto what i want o be the lynch, so up to you. If you dont want Meapak lynched, do something about it. | ||
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On May 25 2023 09:33 VisceraEyes wrote: Yes yes, we all know you think only your reads matter. <3 yeah i know | ||
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On May 25 2023 09:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: Didn't you think i am mafia VE? Oh, smart to add the "or if he is mafia.." part | ||
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On May 25 2023 09:35 VisceraEyes wrote: Because from his perspective it's optimal play, mafia whoever they are are going to try and influence the vote IF his reads are right. Taking his vote out of the manipulable votes reduces mafia's power to affect the outcome IF his reads are right. And he's reinforcing anyone who values his reads that he's not moving his vote so they shouldn't either in the case that I keep trying to lynch Vivax. Very bad post On May 25 2023 09:37 VisceraEyes wrote: Or he's mafia and knows it's a mislynch. Take your pick DP. i will come to this come N1. | ||
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On May 25 2023 22:56 marvellosity wrote: I sort of think Slam is town. Anyone want to discuss that with me? I don't think so. He voted for Vivax because of MZ made a good farewell post but the farewell post is actually really bad. | ||
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On May 25 2023 23:38 Koshi wrote: MZ, Slam and Chezinu. Would be funny. More likely MZ Slam Onegu. | ||
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On May 25 2023 23:41 Koshi wrote: Fuck. So if he is mafia they didn't even vote together and there is no mafia on the MZ train. Yeah townies do all kind of stupid shit all the time, just look at the last game vote count, Koshi town leader has good reads anmd what the fuck townies do? They develop not one but TWO shit wagons in the last hours and mafia!rayn is happily sitting with angry Koshi on his scumbuddy | ||
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On May 25 2023 23:46 Koshi wrote: tbh that was less bad than this. How this happened is a mystery to me. I have no idea. Is Darthpunk semi blaming me(????) for his vote? | ||
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On May 26 2023 00:03 marvellosity wrote: Rayn or Koshi, can you remind me your reasoning why MZ/VE isn’t a likely team? Idk i have to look at it later. Definitely a possibility. | ||
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On May 25 2023 07:29 VisceraEyes wrote: You read it here folx, rayn is actively trying to protect mafia Vivax from the lynch. I think this is where rayn fucked up ladies and gentlemen. Until now his play could be classified as stubborn town, this post right here proves that he's actively trying to harm town, removing the stubborn town possibility entirely because townRayn would never ever not lynch Vivax if he thinks he's mafia if the lynch is viable in this situation. FUCKING GOTTEEEEEEEEMMMMM marv, do you think mafia VE says this knowing that either Vivax will flip town or Meapak will flip mafia? In my mind it's a no, but you know VE probably better so what's your opinion? | ||
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On May 25 2023 21:55 TankTopTiger wrote: Okay so what I've got is that: Rayn made a meta-claim about MZ's behaviour. (what was this claim?) Marv slept on it and woke up agreeing with Rayn. Marv then built on this, saying the case was too clean/obvious, and doesn't look like he was trying to discern Marv's alignment. Everyone then sheeped Marv's compelling claim. Is this a fair summary of why everyone thinks Marv is town? That's not at least why i think marv is town. I thought he is town before he made that post already. On May 25 2023 20:25 TankTopTiger wrote: So I guess my first question is why Marv is just getting a free walk here? What makes everyone so certain he's town when for the most part he's not exerted any influence? IMO both Rayn and DP have provided insight, and in my eyes are earning their status, but not Marv. Can you give some examples of posts from me and DP you think are insightful? Just to figure out what you should think is insightful and whatnot. | ||
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On May 25 2023 09:38 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Yeah I think I've been hammered. GL guys, don't forget that (1) Vivax was runner up, please (2) look at Marv again, and don't let (3) LightningStrike/Onegu/DMP skate by with blatant anti town play. Gonna enjoy my dinner in peace. Everyone who thinks this post is very townie farewell post needs to explain why. If i read correctly Slam and DP(?) at least thought so. Because: (1) Doesnt say anything. There is no reason at that point why Meapak and Vivax couldnt even be mafia together. They are voting each other because they have to, and neither of them is the engineer behind each other's lynch. (2) If Meapak flips mafia this says absolutely nothing because noone is gonna look at marv after Meapak flips mafia. IT's extremely safe thing to say in case Meapak is mafia so in retrospect it should not in itself be considered as townie. (3) Same thing here. If Meapak flips mafia, LS is 99% of the time town. The two other people are already under (at least some) suspicion so like once again, this doesn't give anything new and is just a really safe thing to say so noone's alignment is actually gonna get figured out. Like it's a meek post with no insight in Meapak is town, and exactly what Meapak would say as mafia to not give away any information. | ||
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On May 25 2023 22:41 TankTopTiger wrote: That's not to say MZ not looking for alignment is not a good point (might be worth going through this later), but it's something that was simultaneously defensive. So to me, you were very passive and only exerted influence when threatened. I have high expectations for the contributions of DP, Reyn, Marv, and Koshi, so me not seeing any evidence of you having been proactive puts you grey at best for me. Like this is very weird... You know Meapak was the other wagon engineered by marv and he has no intention to look into Meapak as in if marv is right or not (for right or wrong reasons but that doesnt matter), instead all he posts is attacking the lead person on the unflipped wagon against a town wagon?? | ||
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But what he did is just backwards.. | ||
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It's pretty amazing to read this.Darthpunk please don't go full Holyflare if youre town. | ||
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On May 26 2023 05:03 marvellosity wrote: Should I remember this Holylare reference? Every time he leads a mislynch D1 he blames everyone in the other wagon. | ||
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On May 26 2023 05:04 die_meatbaby wrote: Sure you have you made the one post where you was writing Ogenu acting to strong to be town and Vivax is less paranoid than normal to be town... this post made change minds from other players. You didn't vote on V but this post got fucking important at this time. And you watched how people where voting for V after this instead of MZ. If you read with thought about my posts at the time this is what i did: - I was unsure of who to lynch. Marv and Koshi were still around, VE was not budging. DP was unsure. - I talked with marv, and yes for a brief time i considered Vivax / Onegu a better lynch than MZ, that lasted about 5 minutes - After this i made like 10 posts where i try to get people to vote for MZ instead of Vivax, i think in at least 2 of those posts i say i don't think Vivax will flip mafia anymore. Hell DP even asks me about this and i say the same thing!! If you take some random posts out of context of the tread and don't look at the whole picture you can make pretty much anything look like anything so please don't do that. Just because DP says "rayn made me vote Vivax" or whatever shit it doesn't mean it is true, or should be true. | ||
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On May 26 2023 00:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like this is very weird... You know Meapak was the other wagon engineered by marv and he has no intention to look into Meapak as in if marv is right or not (for right or wrong reasons but that doesnt matter), instead all he posts is attacking the lead person on the unflipped wagon against a town wagon?? On May 26 2023 01:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like if i subbed in and saw a close lynch and townie lynched, i would immediately read Maepak filter, make my own conclusions on it, then read what everyone said about meapak and compare it with my notes, then read meapak filter again to see if the differences with people make sense or not, then make my educated guess if the lynch was tvt or tvm. But what he did is just backwards.. TTT can you answer this please? | ||
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On May 24 2023 07:28 die_meatbaby wrote: Sentinel // don´t know, too less writing from him since we started Alakasla // same as sentinel Chezinu // seems like town 4) Vivax // mafia 5) LightningStrike // pretty shure town 6) DarthPunk // not quiet shure yet 7) Onegu // also not shure 8) Koshi // def. town 10) raynpelikoneet // Mafia 11) Meapak_Ziphh // also i think town for right know 12) marvellosity // town (could chance depends on his next posts) 13) VisceraEyes // town But as you said you can lose the game perfectly with out me .. why did you think Lightningstrike is town? | ||
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On May 26 2023 19:59 marvellosity wrote: I have nothing but wifom. Maybe koshi’s emotions N1 he exaggerated to make himself a less likely NK. Although that doesn’t matter so much if you’re a 1 shot vig. My own paranoia/ego thinks they might be removing my supporters so I can be a legit target. But simple answer is he was right about something you and I weren’t + they thought they were never going to mislynch him Like i get you werent shot because you are likely pushing MZ lynched all day 2. Although shooting you pretty much would do the same thing.. Something at least i haven't considered (strongly at all) is DP and VE. Which Koshi did at various times. Koshi MO says all day 2 is shitfight with DP. Why is that not beneficial for mafia if DP is town? I wouldn't trust myself talking Koshi out of that tilt. | ||
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On May 26 2023 20:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like if i was mafia i would totally shoot you and coast day 2 onto MZ lynch no matter anyone says nothing can be done about it. And if you were shot i would do the exact same thing as town. | ||
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On May 26 2023 20:19 marvellosity wrote: So it was either a shot on Koshi to protect DP/VE from his wrath, as like you say a town/town Koshi/DP fight is great for mafia. Or it could simply be they thought Koshi was the least lynchable - why Koshi over you as well? Simplest explanation is Koshi most right and therefore most dangerous? Yes Koshi must be MORE right on something at least. I can't think other options than DP/VE/mebaby. | ||
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On May 26 2023 20:20 DarthPunk wrote: And the fact that LS jumped straight in the thread to prod in that direction pretty much confirms it for me. But of course, he back tracked that after the smallest amount of pressure. You are right this is also a possibility. I can say from my part i will NEVER make decisions based on NK analysis only. I am just looking for direction atm because i honestly dont have any strong town reads other than marv and it's fucking sad. | ||
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On May 26 2023 20:32 marvellosity wrote: Problem with TTT is it’s so hard to fit him into any scheme we he didn’t exist in d1. Frustrating Biggest point is he never wanted to figure out Meapak's alignemtn, which should be the first thing to do if you join this game N1. And it's a really big point. | ||
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On May 26 2023 20:02 marvellosity wrote: It could be, in the case DP is maf (this is entirely speculative) that they tested out what would happen if koshi got attacked and I stonewalled it and they made the decision then. For TTT. This is exactly why marvellosity is town and how you can't see that from D1 is a bit beyond me. He's keeping town on track ALL times during D1, disagreeing/questioning the things he is not comfortable with and pointing out good points. This is what makes exceptional town player, not some big posts with "insight". Just look at Koshi and DP N1. That's not exceptional, hell that's not even good. They both are good town players, but the difference of keeping your head straight and looking for what's important in almost any situation makes the difference between good and exceptional. There is no way mafia marvellosity could do this, i mean like if everyone had their head straight as him, mafia would never ever win any games, you have to "make mistakes" in your thought process as mafia because you need your team to survive. It's very rare cases when you even could actually do that throughout the whole game, and marv's town play is so good it's basically impossible to imitate that as mafia. So there is that, i suggest you rethink your read on him if you are town, or mafia. | ||
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On May 26 2023 00:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: Everyone who thinks this post is very townie farewell post needs to explain why. If i read correctly Slam and DP(?) at least thought so. Because: (1) Doesnt say anything. There is no reason at that point why Meapak and Vivax couldnt even be mafia together. They are voting each other because they have to, and neither of them is the engineer behind each other's lynch. (2) If Meapak flips mafia this says absolutely nothing because noone is gonna look at marv after Meapak flips mafia. IT's extremely safe thing to say in case Meapak is mafia so in retrospect it should not in itself be considered as townie. (3) Same thing here. If Meapak flips mafia, LS is 99% of the time town. The two other people are already under (at least some) suspicion so like once again, this doesn't give anything new and is just a really safe thing to say so noone's alignment is actually gonna get figured out. Like it's a meek post with no insight in Meapak is town, and exactly what Meapak would say as mafia to not give away any information. Darthpunk elaborate, please? | ||
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On May 25 2023 22:06 DarthPunk wrote: Tank top tiger looks very town to me based on the way he entered the thread. Fwiw Elaborate on this too please, i find his entrance the exact opposite for what i have said already. | ||
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No but i am saying this is pretty much evidence of being mafia over anything else in the thread i can think of, do you think your meta read outweighs the hard evidence? | ||
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On May 26 2023 21:59 DarthPunk wrote: I think so, but I also think I stopped paying attention after I died.  it was the game I was smurfing and everyone thought I was marv :DYeah i knew all mafia by D2 but couldnt lynch them because i needed them to not look for SK. | ||
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On May 26 2023 22:05 DarthPunk wrote: Great fucking question, remind me why we aren;t lynching LS again? Where is LS ignoring hard evidence in your opinion? | ||
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On May 26 2023 22:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: Lynch VE / TTT / DP Off-hand Onegu / LS. Actually, Lynch VE / TTT / Onegu Off-hand LS / DP First tier should net 2 mafia, then we figure out which one is mafia in DP / LS if the game does not end. On the other hand we can lynch LS and if mafia DP is conf town, if town we are more fucked. | ||
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On May 26 2023 22:12 marvellosity wrote: rayn, the meta on TTT does make a difference though. It puts something nuts (his initial direction) into an understandable context. I’m not saying it gives him a pass, but it does at least provide a counter argument. Sort of makes his stubbornness towards me make sense as well. Looking forward to what he does for the rest of the day Did you look at the game? Can you confirm that is his meta? Like i have multiple time just straight out lied about soemone's meta as mafia and noone has held me accountable for it because it is ME thinking THAT, and noone else. Same as DP's meta on him, even if DP is town does it hold water? Can you even count on it if you cannot check as it's only one game? | ||
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On May 23 2023 09:42 DarthPunk wrote: I won't be using meta reads, as they would not be contemporaneous. !!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
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On May 26 2023 22:22 DarthPunk wrote: OK explain why trying to lynch marv is a good idea for mafia? because he knows meapak is town. | ||
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As for where you say "plenty of people knew Vivax is town", it doesn't matter. If he showed that he really really strongly believes meapak is town then i would understand the immediate attack on marv, but he doesn't. Later on he even says (after i confront him) that he is going to read meapak / VE next. | ||
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On May 25 2023 20:25 TankTopTiger wrote: I would have voted for Vivax over MZ, who I get a town read off. Yeah he said this. Unfortunately this should hold no relevance because the situation has changed drastically after Vivax flips town. Why does mafia!marv make "bad posts" about Meapak if there is no relevance on who gets lynched, hell he doesn't even need to push Meapak lynch. He still reads Koshi and rayn town in the same post. He indentifies us three (and DP) as town leaders, regardless of if that's true or not. Like with this information alone he SHOULD be considering Meapak's alignment again, before doing anything else. "Who i got a town read off" is not really anything, the read should be REALLY in depth considering three people who he thinks are town leaders voted for the guy, and one didn't (and was wrong). | ||
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On May 26 2023 22:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: I mean like he starts by saying that he would have voted Vivax instead of MZ. Which is fine. But then he continues playing like Vivax had flipped mafia and MZ had flipped town, neither of which is true at the point... Like the only people he talks about in his first post in any detail are marv, and VE. VE should be town for him because VE lead a lynch on a guy who he would have voted. marv is the opposite. Both can't be the most points on his interest together. | ||
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On May 26 2023 23:08 marvellosity wrote: Don’t we have parity cop? There is no info N1 or is there... + Show Spoiler + On May 24 2023 17:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: I mean like if someone seriously claimed they have a cop check on N0 in this game LS would probably go if they have ever been a cop before and checked anyone N0 before coming to conclusion that they have to be lying. :D | ||
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- blaming me for his vote - attacking koshi N1 - TTT read and not understanig (or better aknowleging) the points on him and just dismissing them completely - no talk about VE I like his read on LS. I am not sure if it is right, but sure as hell the best thing he has done in this game. | ||
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On May 26 2023 23:32 marvellosity wrote: rayn, we need to try hard to work out LS alignment here as well I feel. Is he the next mafia mislynch? Or is he the scum liability = bus him early and look good? yes idk idk. | ||
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On May 26 2023 23:37 marvellosity wrote: I don’t agree, if they are both maf I can absolutely see him bussing. Why do you think otherwise? idk why he should do that? Killing Koshi kind of works here, but like... DP started the bus (if that's what it is) when there was no real lynch candidate (aside from mebaby). I don't think it's the correct play there as mafia, since there is no way to predict where the thread sentiment for town ends up on. | ||
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On May 26 2023 23:38 marvellosity wrote: You said you liked his LS read, best thing he’s done all game. Well that would be the case if it’s a bus, right? Yes start of D2. | ||
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On May 26 2023 23:42 marvellosity wrote: In that team though, DP might assess that LS is slipping and take the decision to start bussing early. Something I have done multiple times in scum games (when I used to win all the time) Okay so. I don't know why DP should start the bus (even soft) when everyone is pretty much thinking LS is town in thread? It's okay to be wrong as town and change your opinion if you need to do that, he sure knows that if he is mafia as well. Now if DP is mafia, we can probably agree that at least some of the reason Koshi was killed because of their rant during N1. If DP is mafia with LS, why does LS come into the thread come start D2 and vomit this shit out effectively throwing suspicion on BOTH of them? And then DP has no excuse to not hard buss. I genuinely think that's very bad mafia team play that would have started early D1 for no reason at all. | ||
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- LS is town and right about some parts of DP's play (why Koshi died) - DP is right and LS is mafia and LS used that as an excuse to call DP out - Both are town, DP is wrong on LS and LS makes a wrong conclusion about the night kill This is not considering their play, just hypothetical in how their alignments align. | ||
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On May 26 2023 23:42 marvellosity wrote: In that team though, DP might assess that LS is slipping and take the decision to start bussing early. I dont believe in that, sorry. | ||
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Like i remember being mafia with DP in a game where we were with ObvousOne (and everything went horribly wrong). We both ended up bussing OO D1 but it wasn't like this, it was a long chat in scum QT before the decision was made and everyone knew what they would get into, and why. And there was definitely no "because i (we) think you might give us away" from DP's part. | ||
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On May 26 2023 23:44 VisceraEyes wrote: Isn't there, rayn? Isn't there? I seem to recall someone being able to predict where thread sentiment was heading YESTERDAY, when someone led the lynch from MZ to the DOCTOR, and I don't even have extra info. You think that someone with extra info would be unable to not only better sense thread sentiment, but be in a position to manipulate it? Like...I've been pretty townie on DP but clearing him because he tried tried to lynch someone "when there is no lynch candidate" feels.....again, like you're being intentionally obtuse. It feels like I'm playing with rayn ON HIS FIRST EVER GAME. AWWWWWWW NEWBIE RAYN!!!! this is really stupid VE. predicting thread sentiment like 5 hours into the game is different than when 3 or so people only have not voted and half of the thread has locked their votes already. | ||
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On May 27 2023 02:54 VisceraEyes wrote: yo wtf how does rayn go from to like I don't even Are you really just salty that I cucked your townie MZ lynch? Fuck off guy. I told you IN THIS THREAD that I was doing it you don't get to be mad about it because you fucked off and let me. No, i am annoyed you call me "intentionally obtuse" a number of times when i am definitely not and making arguments you YOURSELF agree with, like: On May 25 2023 08:23 VisceraEyes wrote: Especially with your god reads backed up by Koshi and the rest of the sheeple? Why would any mafia fucking stay tunneled on marv in that situation? Like this is what I'm talking about rayn, it feels like you're being intentionally obtuse, I understand biases but this feels...targeted. With intent. With an agenda. like comeon you agree with my point it's a possibility when i was arguing i didnät think town meapak would un-tunnel marv. And then i am intentionally obtuse? On May 26 2023 23:44 VisceraEyes wrote: Isn't there, rayn? Isn't there? I seem to recall someone being able to predict where thread sentiment was heading YESTERDAY, when someone led the lynch from MZ to the DOCTOR, and I don't even have extra info. You think that someone with extra info would be unable to not only better sense thread sentiment, but be in a position to manipulate it? Like...I've been pretty townie on DP but clearing him because he tried tried to lynch someone "when there is no lynch candidate" feels.....again, like you're being intentionally obtuse. It feels like I'm playing with rayn ON HIS FIRST EVER GAME. AWWWWWWW NEWBIE RAYN!!!! This is full bullcrap because you're comparing scenarios some hours into the game vs some hours into the lynch and making it look like in both situations people should have the same amount of information on who gets lynched. Can you at least see hw there could be some holes in your thinking? But yeah no, rayn is intentionally obtuse playing like newbie. And this: On May 25 2023 07:29 VisceraEyes wrote: You read it here folx, rayn is actively trying to protect mafia Vivax from the lynch. I think this is where rayn fucked up ladies and gentlemen. Until now his play could be classified as stubborn town, this post right here proves that he's actively trying to harm town, removing the stubborn town possibility entirely because townRayn would never ever not lynch Vivax if he thinks he's mafia if the lynch is viable in this situation. FUCKING GOTTEEEEEEEEMMMMM Actively harm town my ass, all you even had was your read based on Vivax interactions with mebaby, where your town read marv had already agreed with me your read is not necessarily true. And that immediately translates to rayn is mafia? And after that all, you have to come and call me all kind of things and try making it look i am somehow offending you? I came to this game to play a nice game of mafia, you're ruining it. Sadly i don't even know if you're doing it because you're mafia or just an ass right now... | ||
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On May 24 2023 07:28 die_meatbaby wrote: Sentinel // don´t know, too less writing from him since we started Alakasla // same as sentinel Chezinu // seems like town 4) Vivax // mafia 5) LightningStrike // pretty shure town 6) DarthPunk // not quiet shure yet 7) Onegu // also not shure 8) Koshi // def. town 10) raynpelikoneet // Mafia 11) Meapak_Ziphh // also i think town for right know 12) marvellosity // town (could chance depends on his next posts) 13) VisceraEyes // town But as you said you can lose the game perfectly with out me I keep going back to this because i can't understand why (especially) a newbie makes this post with having LS as town when at this point LS has both of her scumreads as town. | ||
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On May 27 2023 07:27 TankTopTiger wrote: TBH I don't even understand what they're saying. What decision is marv saying DP made? I obviously don't have the same filter as you do. Keeping your head straight isn't alignment indicative, in fact, since mafia are trying to be manipulative, I sort of expect them not to get down in the mud. It feels like you're conflating skill with alignment but my comprehension of your post is dogshit so maybe I'm wrong. So you think Marv is so good as town, he's just confirmed town if he doesn't make mistakes? TBH that feels stupid to me because then he just wins all his town games and loses all his scum games. And you think it's crazy I don't know this specific thing about Marv (it's beyond you?). I was already reconsidering my read on him and have said as much. A lot of being good as town is establishing yourself as town, not so much being right on D1 (while that's something he is known of as well). Why are you dodging the question about not trying to find out Meapak's alignment on N1? | ||
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On May 27 2023 08:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: So you thought MZ is town? I am sorry but i can't figure out what you are thinking if you are not saying it. When you saw Vivax flipped town -- and the vote was really close -- didn't a thought run through your head that the other lynch actually could be mafia? | ||
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On May 27 2023 08:12 TankTopTiger wrote: I would love to see the people on the MZ train explain why they were wrong. I attacked Marv. I was told that's bad because Marv made the case on MZ and this was a good case actually. But apparently it wasn't a good case. So Marv wasn't a good town. Rayn you said Marv keeps town on track, but he "led" what would have been a mislynch. I'm getting confused signals. You guys were wrong and now you're telling me off for not being wrong with you. Look, i am not blaming you for attacking marv. I don't see the same way you apparently do about his alignment, and i have told you why as clearly as i can. I found it confusing, because as i said, if I WOULD join the game N1, and see a lynch close and townie lynched, my first thought would be "could pretty much everyone be wrong?", and that would make me rethink anything i have read about the game (about Meapak). Instead of this, you did give nothing about Meapak, but instead attacked marv. That feels not natural way for me to progress there. That's my point here. But you have now given your answer and i am gonna drop the questioning about it, regardless of what i think it makes you. | ||
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On May 27 2023 08:20 die_meatbaby wrote: @raynpelikoneet @VisceraEyes I would like to see a anwer from both of you I can't say anything to that, you just made up a scenario that's incorrect. | ||
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On May 27 2023 08:26 TankTopTiger wrote: This is I think a place I can make my perspective clearer. I acknowledge that people respect you four, but that doesn't mean I respect your authority. I'm not here to fall in line, I don't see that as playing the game at all. So I can be aware of the influence you people have while being dismissive of accepting that influence myself. So basically, if you want to change my mind, it needs to be because of what you say, not who you are. In my mind it's actually insane how much people sheep considering that alignment is RNGed at the start of the game. I know and you shouldn't respect any authority. I think marv is town because: - He looks like he is pushing what he seems to be believing is mafia - He is actively trying to get the town to NOT derail on too many places, when the reasoning on stuff he thinks is invalid (look at his posts on mebaby for instance on D1) - I don't think he would be capable, or actively trying to, do that in case he was mafia (this i can see is a point you can agree on anyways -- but it's what i think) All in all i see elements in his play that are to keep the town focused (and focused on what he thinks is important), and not disruptively derail the town. But i am not him so i am not going to defend him more than this, which is what i think. You may disagree with me if that's what you think. | ||
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On May 27 2023 08:43 TankTopTiger wrote: This brovado feels empty to me. Like VE is saying what he feels he should be saying, not what he thinks. Yeah i really don't know why VE is being so arrogant towards me, i haven't done anything that warrants that. | ||
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On May 27 2023 08:52 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm pretty sure your slot is town, why aren't you voting for Chezinu with me? Because he thinks youre mafia, did your brain die again? | ||
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On May 27 2023 08:57 TankTopTiger wrote: Can I ask what sort of player vivax was? Was he someone who took pride in the chaos he sewed? I am not sure what you are asking. I think vivax is pretty easy to figure out as mafia when he is mafia on day 1. In my opinion he picks up things in thread that dont have anything to do with finding mafia (i mean like he can be talking about stock market or whatever shit when he is mafia lol). The problem was that mebaby went full ham on him for basically no reason, and because of how people tend to act -> Vivax just kept on answering her accusations (while useless) and did nothing else. I talked about it in my post to mebaby here: On May 25 2023 02:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: [...] On Vivax your read has apparently changed to that he is not posting while being here. In fact Vivax has made probably as much posts as you have, and truth to be told he is mostly addressing you or answering you in his posts. I don't find that scummy at all, since people tend to react when they are called mafia, and try to argue their way out of the accusation regardless of if they are town or mafia, actually even more likely when they are town, since they know they are wrongfully accused of something. Right now nobody agrees with your reasoning on Vivax being mafia regardless of what they think of Vivax' affiliation. What you are doing, and have been doing pretty much the whole game, is trying to convince Vivax of Vivax being mafia. Can you see how counter-productive that is if youre town? Do you think Vivax agrees he is mafia if you tell it to him over and over again or what's your angle there? [...] If you are town, i suggest -- as marv said already -- you start elaborating on how you came to the conclusions you have come to more clearly. Stop talking to Vivax, and talk to other people. If you really genuinely think Vivax is mafia and you are so sure of it as you have expressed in the thread, try some reading, think about what you post, and try to find a way to express yourself better. As i said, and as many have said, right now you're not doing any good job there. Worst case scenario is that you're town and Vivax is mafia and you're just giving him a legit reason to post (nonsense) stuff that looks like he is contributing, because when you two fight in the thread, so far he's coming out looking way better than you are. There is probably the fact also that he was blue, so he was more cautious to voice his opinion(s) for staying alive longer in the game. Might have clouded at least my judgement a little bit since i have a very hard time remembering when i have thought Vivax is mafia after half past D1 when he is town and not blue. | ||
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On May 27 2023 09:07 TankTopTiger wrote: ##: vote VisceraEyes btw there is a voting thread you have to vote in for your vote to count. Imo it's good to post your vote in this thread also for clarity, if youre town that is. | ||
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On May 27 2023 09:34 TankTopTiger wrote: Not trying to attack, but that's the biggest if I've ever seen, and winning doesn't necessarily follow from your personal reads. I think all of these people are town. I also have no doubt if i am right certain people here are gonna fuck up possibly | ||
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On May 27 2023 09:54 TankTopTiger wrote: Sorry, what does this mean then? Unsportsmanlike RNG? I'm confused. He is saying he thinks DMB is town because it would be borderline cheating to lie about the setup stuff like "why would host make me mafia because i am newbie" as mafia. | ||
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On May 27 2023 09:43 TankTopTiger wrote: I don't think redDP hammers the vote D1 if redVE led it. Why not? Knowing Meapak is town why does it matter if they are on the same wagon or not, they are equally "wrong" anyways. | ||
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On May 27 2023 10:20 Chezinu wrote: Did VE just get troll checked? probably, by his teammate :D | ||
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On May 27 2023 10:29 marvellosity wrote: I mean sure why not. Although I expected Onegu, if mafia, to be here making more randomly aggressive posts? Historically he does that closer to deadline, or when things matter, which is again closer to deadline. Or straight out AFK as either alignment. | ||
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On May 26 2023 11:11 DarthPunk wrote: So I am going to address the shit where Rayn thinks I am soft blaming him for the lynch on vivax, and I guess I sort of am, (although I also take responsibility for being wrong/bad or whatever makes you feel better) because from my perspective I was very open to being on either wagon at the time. Because I was open, and I had a strong town read in the thread with me, I asked rayn several times why I should not be on vivax. Like I was genuinely frustrated that I wasn't given clarity at the time when I was repeatedly trying to get some. VE posts this interpretation Which rayn says is very smart post. So I take that to be the reason that Rayn is giving for not wanting to lynch Vivax. I actually don't like this reason because it prevents me from being able to play the game, if every lynch is already decided by the euros before a lynch, so in my mind I discount it. I am really open to either. I just want some fucking clarity and engagement on the topic. Which I was not provided. Trying to figure out where the scum are and the town reads are. ( a major criticisim later) At this point Rayn has left the thread. I am posting this and then dropping the topic mainly because I want to: 1.) be clear around my thinking at the time of the wagon on vivax forming 2.) clarify that yes, if Rayn had given me any strong reason to vote MZ over Vivax when we were interacting in the thread prior to the lynch I would have done so. 3.) Point out that I don't think it was as clear and obvious as people are making it out to be prior to the lynch, and if it was, then some clear communication about that fact would have changed the outcome. I am struggling to figure out this is what DP is interested in close to deadline N1? | ||
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On May 27 2023 10:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am struggling to figure out this is what DP is interested in close to deadline N1? I ma not even calling him mafia so it should not be about "if rayn dies" and he can answer that later anyways. Why is this the most important thing he needs to concentrate as town a minute before N1 end? | ||
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On May 27 2023 10:38 marvellosity wrote: Like sure. But these are the questions. 1. Why did he hard townread MB when the rest of town (especially marv, Vivax, rayn) did not feel that way 2. Why did he townread TTT when neither of us felt that way 3. How did he at all have too many townreads during N1 I think it was when I had 2 It stinks to me On the first part i think he thought Vivax is mafia, for the rest of it yeah idk. | ||
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On May 27 2023 10:41 marvellosity wrote: Slam, Chez, Onegu, LS etc are all doing a good job of appearing town are they? Really???? yeah i agree i am making huge leap on slam + chez here. | ||
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On May 27 2023 10:41 marvellosity wrote: Ttt, VE,,, like I can’t even What does this mean? | ||
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On May 27 2023 10:45 DarthPunk wrote: I mean the second question is just dumb. I know ttt way better than you do so why would it not make sense that I would feel differently and I have discussed at length my thoughts on him and a hard town read is not correct This doesnt mean anything but okay. Why is VE town? | ||
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On May 27 2023 10:50 DarthPunk wrote: I’m not saying you should sheep me, I’m explaining why my read was different which is what Marv is specifically taking issue with. The problem is you didn't even entertain the possibility of being wrong on him when he did attack marv (who is your townread) instead of Meapak (unflipped counter-wagon), while two of your town reads (me and marv) said it's suspicious. | ||
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On May 27 2023 10:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: So who do you think is mafia now besides LS? | ||
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On May 27 2023 11:00 DarthPunk wrote: Ls onegu. Lynch these first Then one of ttt, ve. Or outside chance of dmb or chez Why are Slam and Chezinu town? | ||
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On May 27 2023 11:03 DarthPunk wrote: I’ve explained read on slam already read my filter. Chez claimed cop as far as I am concerned so I’m not lynching him til later when there is a counter claim or not and we can figure that ou But lynch ls first then onegu imo there is no option of cop in setup. | ||
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On May 27 2023 11:05 DarthPunk wrote: Why? I have looked and don’t see where this is the case by cop I mean parity cop/ tracker if chezinu is a parity cop he doesnt have a check, if he is tracker he cannot know if slam is mafia or not because not all mafia visit. come on? | ||
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On May 27 2023 11:43 Chezinu wrote: TTT, rayn, and marv haven't joked much. I only joke with certain people on certain situations, if that makes sense to you. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + (cake for some reason hates the last one, i can only imagine it is lyrics because the music is the best!! )You're welcome Slam. | ||
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On May 27 2023 11:43 Chezinu wrote: Players 5, 6, 7, 9, and 13 have been interesting. | ||
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On May 27 2023 11:43 Chezinu wrote: TTT, rayn, and marv haven't joked much. Actually for this, is VE joking very much or is he a joke? | ||
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On May 27 2023 12:29 DarthPunk wrote: Rayn if I am lynched and flip town what do you think that means about the alignment of others?? I dont answers questions like that because they are pointless at the moment. Hell i am not even having you in my top 3 scum.. Why can't you just post your reads instead? | ||
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On May 27 2023 11:00 DarthPunk wrote: Ls onegu. Lynch these first Then one of ttt, ve. Or outside chance of dmb or chez this? i can see ls + onegu, why others? | ||
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On May 26 2023 17:06 DarthPunk wrote: You claiming cop chez?? Also elaborate on this please. It is pretty clear he is no cop so there is no harm. | ||
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On May 27 2023 12:58 DarthPunk wrote: if LS is town why is none of the mafia trying to lynch him? or even just sheeping me so that if he flips town they can then mislynch me afterwards, particularly after it has been stated that we are opposite aligned. My position is that one of you / LS is mafia so i think you can understand why this is a moot point | ||
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On May 27 2023 13:05 DarthPunk wrote: That’s fine but I think it points to which one is more likely mafia. And gives weight to the fact we are opposite aligned. Why do you have to be opposite aligned? On May 27 2023 13:05 DarthPunk wrote: Btw isn’t it insanely late/ early for you? yeah like 7 am | ||
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On May 27 2023 11:00 DarthPunk wrote: Ls onegu. Lynch these first Then one of ttt, ve. Or outside chance of dmb or chez Like if mafia is within these people, discount VE, why does mafia have to go for LS assuming he would be town? | ||
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On May 27 2023 13:17 DarthPunk wrote: Or if I ever get flipped worth keeping in mind. You were the only one going ham on LS D1 so definitely either you are not scary enough / you are mafia with or without him / something else more scary for scum (which i am kinda trying to figure out) | ||
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On May 27 2023 13:20 Alakaslam wrote: Ok caught up. Rayn I mindmeld DP. I have suspected LS since D1. My old adage, "stay the course" is ringing hard in my head. Voting accordingly. So you're voting for LS? It's not a bad vote i just think VE / Onegu is better vote. | ||
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On May 27 2023 13:23 DarthPunk wrote: You mean cos of Koshi kill at night? I think I just don’t have the same reputation. Within which people? If i had to choose my kill presedence based on nothing but name i would rank marv - you - koshi- ve no brainer for me (it's not to say anyone is worse or anything it is just me). Obviously everything changes in a game of mafia, but still i dont know who in the game doesn't know your "reputation"? | ||
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On May 27 2023 13:40 Alakaslam wrote: Veneno- Musica en español es major, nunca diga me contra If you know anything about music it's Am Em used as it's best to brilliance. | ||
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On May 27 2023 13:59 Alakaslam wrote: I don't like Duran Duran But like Depeche Mode Ordinary world is exceptionally good song! And Depeche mode is awesome! | ||
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On May 27 2023 14:03 Alakaslam wrote: Let me look for this, but if Duran Duran there is little hope for me Dont lose your hope it is really good. | ||
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On May 27 2023 14:13 DarthPunk wrote: This didn’t actually happen by the way, my view flip flopped like everyone else’s with new information, the only time I used town read her early Rayn also did. And that was before Koshi analysed the Rayn vivax discord read, and then /I/ pointed out her shitty chez read. Do you actually not remember or read through this properly or are you deliberately misconstruing the facts? when did i town read mebaby early on? | ||
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On May 23 2023 20:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: So wait you think she is town because she is suspicious about some she knows irl??? Just for that? And no justification on the fact Koshi pointed out that she IS a first time player (unless lies), so how can she ACTUALLY feel so sure about Vivax being mafia (unless explained better). Just for that? | ||
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Otherwise you will have an enemy you do not want. And i don't care if i lose when i get mad. | ||
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Do you think it is very natural to be angry at my reasonable posts, but not angry for instance when someone votes for you (with or especially without any reason)? If you're a hothead, someone voting for you without any reasoning at all should be the first thing to blow you up. Not someone disagreeing with you with reasoning (even if you think it's not good reasoning). | ||
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On May 25 2023 08:23 VisceraEyes wrote: Especially with your god reads backed up by Koshi and the rest of the sheeple? Why would any mafia fucking stay tunneled on marv in that situation? Like this is what I'm talking about rayn, it feels like you're being intentionally obtuse, I understand biases but this feels...targeted. With intent. With an agenda. On May 26 2023 23:44 VisceraEyes wrote: Isn't there, rayn? Isn't there? I seem to recall someone being able to predict where thread sentiment was heading YESTERDAY, when someone led the lynch from MZ to the DOCTOR, and I don't even have extra info. You think that someone with extra info would be unable to not only better sense thread sentiment, but be in a position to manipulate it? Like...I've been pretty townie on DP but clearing him because he tried tried to lynch someone "when there is no lynch candidate" feels.....again, like you're being intentionally obtuse. It feels like I'm playing with rayn ON HIS FIRST EVER GAME. AWWWWWWW NEWBIE RAYN!!!! On May 25 2023 07:29 VisceraEyes wrote: You read it here folx, rayn is actively trying to protect mafia Vivax from the lynch. I think this is where rayn fucked up ladies and gentlemen. Until now his play could be classified as stubborn town, this post right here proves that he's actively trying to harm town, removing the stubborn town possibility entirely because townRayn would never ever not lynch Vivax if he thinks he's mafia if the lynch is viable in this situation. FUCKING GOTTEEEEEEEEMMMMM Like these posts. Why is he angry at me? First post he already agrees with what i am saying, just thinks it is not right. Why angry? Second post i am talking about DP needing to predict thread sentiment at the eod1 like 5hrs into the game. VE counters with an argument where i predicted how the lynch would go like 3 hrs before deadline. It's not even close to the same thing, and again, why angry? He doesnt even think DP is mafia and i am defending his town read, why is he angry at me? Third post, i can maybe somehow understand but still, i am just saying i won't lynch Vivax. Is it really worth a big rant??? ----- Now if you consider this from town VE, why doesn't any single vote on him warrant ANY emotional response from same "town" VE???? | ||
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On May 28 2023 06:57 marvellosity wrote: Rayn I am around in about 15 minutes until I fall asleep if you’re gonna be about I think you should vote for VE. | ||
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On May 28 2023 07:38 marvellosity wrote: In all honesty I haven’t concentrated on LS related stuff today. Are there reasons beyond your (possibly valid) one yesterday you talked to me about? Unless i am VERY wrong about something, i don't think they can both be mafia, because Onegu's vote on VE is pure distancing maf v maf vote -- and definitely adds for reason why VE isn't mad about that vote D1. That makes it so that bot h DP and LS can't be mafia. And i am honestly wayyy more sold on LS being mafia than DP. I can go to reasons but not now. | ||
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On May 28 2023 07:45 DarthPunk wrote: You are or you are mafia, If it's the first, I don;t actually blame you because I am self aware enough to know how things look. If it's the latter you deserve to win. You solved it | ||
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On May 28 2023 07:45 marvellosity wrote: Anyway I am going to bed, I’d really really like to wake up to a VE red flip please guys I am awake until deadline so this is not going the other way. | ||
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On May 28 2023 07:47 marvellosity wrote: No sarcasm so you are or you are mafia? | ||
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On May 28 2023 07:48 marvellosity wrote: Well, that’s what I thought you were implying. That’s how sure I feel on it anyway and I’d take that bet | ||
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On May 28 2023 08:37 Alakaslam wrote: It doesn't. I just TR marv hard enough to not want to go there unless it is nearly the end and, like, Chezinu or I got shot before him. Go where exactly? Why can't the remaining mafia be exactly LS and Onegu? | ||
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On May 28 2023 08:43 Chezinu wrote: If not them, I would look at DP again. His Day 1 post made me lol, so he deserves to live. On May 27 2023 11:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: top tier post | ||
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On May 28 2023 08:34 Alakaslam wrote: I will have to filter him. Gut thoughts say DP rather than marv. I strong TR marv, not gonna lynch him unless Lylo and he will deserve a win he probably gets if it goes that far. Then I think one of LS/DMB/1gu for sure. TTT too good imo but I can't rule him out either... haven't filtered anyone yet (lacking time tbh) you grouped marv and DP together and said one of them, so i thought you think one of them. | ||
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On May 28 2023 08:57 Alakaslam wrote: Rayn if VE does flip green, what does the world look like? Blue grass does exist, after all- and tornados bring green skies dont buy into that. how is he doing well, lynching the doctor or? | ||
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On May 28 2023 09:14 Alakaslam wrote: Rayn is this stay the course alarm telling me stay my IMMEDIATE and LASTING sr of LS course or to stay the (rock solid but rocks crack) VE course??? you need to stay on VE. | ||
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On May 28 2023 09:22 Chezinu wrote: Come on mafia... you realise with VE + LS + Onegu this is exactly why VE gave up? No help from team. Why would town VE give up? | ||
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On May 27 2023 03:30 VisceraEyes wrote: Because he knows it'll never go. Dude's posted like twice and everyone has opinions that don't include Onegu. It's why I DIDN'T vote Onegu, actually. On May 28 2023 01:36 VisceraEyes wrote: I could be moved to vote for Onegu. I said before the only reason I didn't vote for him over Chez is the OMGUS and lack of posts - there's even less way for me to PROVE Onegu is mafia than there is for Chez. But I can for sure vote that dude he's way more likely maf than, for example, me who has zero chance of flipping maf. On May 28 2023 06:16 VisceraEyes wrote: Because I think he's more town than Onegu - he's in here actually giving reads and trying to figure shit out - as I'd expect a town to do. Onegu is skirting modkill I guess but are we going to depend on that? If youre parity cop you never ever never NOT vote for scummy Onegu. | ||
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On May 28 2023 08:54 VisceraEyes wrote: Ya figures. Whatever I tried, maybe y'all can figure out out from here. I flip green so look at weird switches onto VE around now. DP so town it hurts, so anyone else I guess. Chez for sure. Meh. Deflating,I thought I was doing really well 😞 not good. no onegu in here, apparently he has chekced onegu. lies lies lies on claim do not counter claim just lynch 100% | ||
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On May 28 2023 10:19 VisceraEyes wrote: It's okay it's what you deserve. Enjoy rayn this is expressly your doing 😚 I agree this is expressly my doing | ||
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On May 28 2023 10:42 DarthPunk wrote: If Ve is cop then I am basically giving up after that. We are really fucked. he's not a cop. | ||
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On May 28 2023 11:18 DarthPunk wrote: Lynch LS then lynch me and Marv. GG Lynch LS for shure. | ||
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On May 28 2023 11:21 DarthPunk wrote: By the way Rayn. Rember that podcast that we laughed about Marv not calling people mafia but smelly and stinky and shit. He has done that exact thing with me this game. And actually played very similarly. And I think Marv would be motivated to try hard with ve on his team. So I’m pretty sure he is mafia and have thought that for a bit. I am going to keep this in mind. | ||
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On May 23 2023 20:02 Koshi wrote: Damn. I am already thinking marv is mafia. This might become a problem. On May 23 2023 20:42 Koshi wrote: Lynch marv and mebaby just a note to self. | ||
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On May 28 2023 11:31 DarthPunk wrote: I would pocket you as mafia as well btw. It’s your one weakness as town if I recall (town read on strong logical mafia players who you respect) did that to you in some games if I recall correctly. probably, but i learn, and have learned because that's my strength as mafia as well, know how to talk to people like you/marv/hapa etc. | ||
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On May 28 2023 11:37 DarthPunk wrote: I think TTT did really well too and meat baby but yeah I was way off. I do think ls is maf tho so I got one . I genuinely think there is zero mafia teams that include LS, yeah. Hard lock town for mebaby and TTT yes. | ||
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I know this i have been keeping it in my back of head. It's not evidence but it is something to consider. | ||
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1. Why did he (DP) hard townread MB when the rest of town (especially marv, Vivax, rayn) did not feel that way marv wrote that. Why is DP, but not VE suspect of this? | ||
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On May 27 2023 10:41 marvellosity wrote: Slam, Chez, Onegu, LS etc are all doing a good job of appearing town are they? Really???? LS is DP's top mafia read, why is he here? | ||
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Why is DP more suspicious than VE? I know on paper i would also say DP is suspicious but everything is not on paper, like the Koshi thingy, blaming me on his vote shit that's next level if mafia... | ||
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On May 28 2023 12:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: fuck DP the more i think about this you might still have this in you! ^^ I'm sorry, i don't really think you wouldn't lol | ||
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On May 28 2023 12:19 DarthPunk wrote: 100 percent he is my arch nemesis in irl mafia 😋 like truly 10000x badass more than koshi. | ||
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On May 25 2023 23:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: My opinion is that Slam is town in case Meapak is town. Slam would still most likely try to save his scumbuddy (Meapak) if that is the case, he didn't even have a scumread on Vivax and voted for him anyways because some bs farewell post, and especiaclly when his tip top town tier player who he respects is leading the wagon on Meapak... On May 25 2023 23:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like if Meapak is town it's just pure stupidity as mafia to vote on Vivax when everything you have wrote says you should vote for Meapak. | ||
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On May 28 2023 12:26 DarthPunk wrote: can you imagine the maf team when sentinels replacement just soul reads the game lmao. oO | ||
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On May 28 2023 12:30 DarthPunk wrote: Die meat baby. And I said later that I remembered when people still feared Marv as scum. how does she know that if noone told her? | ||
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On May 28 2023 12:34 DarthPunk wrote: You think she bussed ve?. technically could have, after all she was 100000% sure. | ||
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On May 28 2023 12:41 DarthPunk wrote: Can I just say that Marv started soft pushing me from day one nut he agreed with me several times. Why is he agreeing with someone he was soft pushing And then when he calls me mafia finally why does he say I have been neutral to him and I haven’t done anything scummy. Because if that was the case why was he soft pushing me from day one?? Because good players agree when their scumreads even say good stuff. But yeah it should transfer to something. | ||
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On May 28 2023 12:51 DarthPunk wrote: This is the point: because I knew that whatever I said or did Marv was going to be calling me scum for it. Almost like he was setting up the ground for when I did something bad enough. And Marv is just too good as town to play that way. Okay. I will look into it. IF it is not you or marv (aside from LS), do you have an idea where could the last mafia be? | ||
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On May 28 2023 12:59 DarthPunk wrote: I think your point about DMB is actually strong because vivax was clear about what he told her and it was not that much. And If vivax had told her that I think she would have said so. it wasn’t as if she had a filter about what she was willing to say at that time… I actually think Marv DMB Ve is a really strong idea even though it would be sad because I would be wrong on LS. I think everyone else has to be town imo. now this doesnt look that good. | ||
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Chezinu is not mafia Slam is most likely not mafia mebaby is most likely not mafia What if LS is town? | ||
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On May 28 2023 13:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay i really want you to be town, but i have a nagging feeling youre mafia with marv and VE here. I can't explain it. I think marv is mafia too here. to DP | ||
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On May 28 2023 13:20 DarthPunk wrote: But I am not mafia, I just played bad, and I think the Marv and I interactions basically would be incredible to fake. It's okay i dont think were losing even if you are whatever. I am just thinking WHAT will happen in case LS flips town, because i have to fucking think about it here now. | ||
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On May 28 2023 13:21 DarthPunk wrote: Yeah i'm dumb. But at least you can read why I thought what I thought, [...] see my problem is, as it is with most of those pbp analysis posts. you can always make out a lot of posts that seem townie from a person who posts a lot. it is the little things that make them mafia. 10 townie things do not make 1 scummy thing -> town. otherwise i would always read marv town in this game for instance. | ||
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On May 28 2023 13:23 DarthPunk wrote: What else does he have. Do you know whats fucking weird. Why does he notthink about LS. When I have been posting about him for days, surely if he was suspicious of me, he would have thought about LS because I have been trying to get him lynched. agreed | ||
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On May 28 2023 13:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: yeah i think that's the kicker the LS thing | ||
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On May 28 2023 11:18 DarthPunk wrote: Lynch LS then lynch me and Marv. GG I think we always do this without further information. | ||
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On May 28 2023 13:36 DarthPunk wrote: Anyway I want to lynch Marv tomorrow, but I think it will be really hard. boo. no if youre town you lynch LS because that is something noone can derail. Then you fight with marv and get him lynched, or if LS flips town hopefully the town listens to me and they lynch marv and you. | ||
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I think it's fairly certain TTT is town. Like before meapak flipped and after the flip for some time i thought the way he approached the game from mafia perspective, but at some point his his view changes to that VE is easily most likely to be mafia, and at that point there is no real pressure yet on VE. It doesn't make any sense for mafia to invent a story where marv is pushing a lynch on town meapak just to change his focus completely to his scumbuddy AFTER he has PROOF that his original assessment could be right (meapak flip). I also think Slam and Chezinu are town. Now that we know meapak has flipped town, there is pretty much no real reason for slam to praise marv all D1 then vote on Vivax instead of Meapak. Like it's a contradiction he would notice if he was mafia, there is no harm voting Meapak over Vivax as both are town, it just doesn't make much sense to me as mafia. Chezinu has been quite on point on his suspects, i really liked his suspects list D2, and i think VE voting for Chezinu is a point on his favor as well. Like i think VE could vote for his scumbuddy in a situation like that, but i don't think that's the case here. He had other options as well, and it really make it look worse for VE rather than make a good play by distancing. mebaby is hard to crack but after all i see her townie. VE could technically hard-clear her, but i still doubt in case they were both mafia. Maybe 75% chance that alone makes her town. Another thing is that afer inventing the story on ray + Vivax being mafia, mebaby had all the reasons as mafia to go after me, and while noone would believe her most likely, noone would also blame her for it most likely. Instead of doing that, she invents ANOTHER story of how Vivax got lynched, throws in her scumbuddy VE, votes for him, and says VE is 10000% mafia. I don't buy it she does that as mafia. So while i know i could be wrong here somewhere, that's still what i think at the moment. And that leaves me with LS / DP / marv. LS looks definitely worst in the bunch. Disconnected with the game, and while i have nothing really that says "this guy is definitely scum", i have also nothing that says this guy is definitely town. Everyone else looks just more town, that's it. I think you should always lynch LS the next day, it's just the most likely correct answer by poe and his disconnect with the game. Low volume poster or not, his posts still feel like no intention to solve. DP and marv.. Ugh... Like every time i am in the thread with marv we're seeing things pretty similarly. That's usually town tell. I consider myself a decent player and if another decent player agrees with me then we're usually doing right things, and even if he is mafia we're still doing right things. That is early on. Lately there have been things that bug me. All the questions i asked yesterday i think are worth asking. I am not completely sure they make him look mafia but they are still worth asking. Maybe the biggest thing is i don't get how he can feel so strongly about DP being mafia, even before VE flip. It doesn't make sense to me, nor does the AFTER flip reaction when i have just kinda lead a lynch on mafia VE: On May 28 2023 14:19 marvellosity wrote: Great result with VE. If rayn is thinking about pushing me now maybe i am wrong about DP and I have been mega duped by rayn. Maybe that’s why Koshi died N1. Because I look at the number of posts rayn hard-reads me as town and now this? I don’t understand it. Like.... rayn leads a lynch on mafia VE, DP is big suspect for marv, suddenly after flip i am mafia just because i have doubts about him as i clearly can't figure out all mafia as Onegu also flips. It's just... idk, maybe he is just a bit butthurt i am calling him mafia, i really don't know because it doesn't look natural. Another thing is i think DP was way more natural to flip his read on VE. To me that felt like "i thought he was town but shiiiitt.. this is good you nailed it dude!", which is really natural when i read an ACTUAL good case. I also know marv has had doubts on VE a long time, but never really acted on them. I don't think there was a lot of time left when i made my case on VE, i DO have a feeling marv SHOULD see those things before, and acted on them. Hell he wrote good stuff like "VE lynches Vivax because D1 is the only day when he can lynch town Vivax", really good shit. But not realising VE is mafia earlier when all the evidence is there? Weird. I think DP has looked more natural in his read progression. If LS is mafia, i don't know why DP has to have him as soft buss all game? Like DP can bus for sure, but i don't know what's it worth? If LS is town why wasn't LS up for lynch by mafia DP on D2? With LS wagon distraction there it could be possible, even LIKELY that there is a town lynch instead of VE lynch, and noone could even blame DP for that because he has been playing towards it whole game. Hell even if LS is mafia lynching inactive mafia member in team instead of hyper active VE is a win in comparison to situation now. I don't know. PoE says LS is mafia and after that occam's razor says one of marv or DP is mafia. Don't get me wrong, just if i analyse both of them individually they look town, but there HAS TO BE third mafia in this game. Gun to head i would say marv over DP, but i am really not sure. That's the vomit in case i die. | ||
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On June 05 2023 22:32 Rels wrote: Fun game to obs, GG everyone Slam great play! I was so sure you were town ... The Marv waffle in particular looked super hyper townie to me.That was one of the only things i thought he could be mafia :D I think i said that in obs after marv flipped. | ||
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