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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
May 26 2023 14:08 GMT
#1743
On May 26 2023 23:03 marvellosity wrote:
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On May 26 2023 22:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 26 2023 22:12 marvellosity wrote:
rayn, the meta on TTT does make a difference though. It puts something nuts (his initial direction) into an understandable context.

I’m not saying it gives him a pass, but it does at least provide a counter argument. Sort of makes his stubbornness towards me make sense as well.

Looking forward to what he does for the rest of the day

Did you look at the game? Can you confirm that is his meta? Like i have multiple time just straight out lied about soemone's meta as mafia and noone has held me accountable for it because it is ME thinking THAT, and noone else. Same as DP's meta on him, even if DP is town does it hold water? Can you even count on it if you cannot check as it's only one game?

You know I haven’t looked at the game lol

then why do you say it's a point to consider
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
May 26 2023 14:13 GMT
#1744
On May 26 2023 23:08 marvellosity wrote:
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On May 26 2023 23:00 Alakaslam wrote:
Rayn I think Chezinu is softing a check of sorts that implicates 1gu

Don’t we have parity cop? There is no info N1

or is there...
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 24 2023 17:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean like if someone seriously claimed they have a cop check on N0 in this game LS would probably go if they have ever been a cop before and checked anyone N0 before coming to conclusion that they have to be lying. :D

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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
May 26 2023 14:17 GMT
#1746
Being kind is what loses games as town, or as mafia.

I am not saying DP is lying, i am saying it is not necessarily the truth even if he know TTT the best irl. Lying or not. Meta fucks you up at times. And here we have actual reasons for suspecting him as mafia.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
May 26 2023 14:22 GMT
#1750
How are you on DP's responses this phase marv and Slam?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
May 26 2023 14:32 GMT
#1753
I am quite on the fence with him, some things sound genuine, some things make absolutely no sense, and i am not sure if i think he would say that as town, like:
- blaming me for his vote
- attacking koshi N1
- TTT read and not understanig (or better aknowleging) the points on him and just dismissing them completely
- no talk about VE

I like his read on LS. I am not sure if it is right, but sure as hell the best thing he has done in this game.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
May 26 2023 14:33 GMT
#1754
On May 26 2023 23:32 marvellosity wrote:
rayn, we need to try hard to work out LS alignment here as well I feel.

Is he the next mafia mislynch?

Or is he the scum liability = bus him early and look good?

yes

idk

idk.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
May 26 2023 14:34 GMT
#1755
From OTHERS point of view, noone else than DP has really put anything on LS. If he was easy mafia mislynch, why aren't they doing so (if DP is town)?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
May 26 2023 14:36 GMT
#1756
Like i am even entertaining to lynch LS just because if he flips mafia then i don't have to think about DP anymore. I don't think he is bussing.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
May 26 2023 14:40 GMT
#1760
On May 26 2023 23:37 marvellosity wrote:
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On May 26 2023 23:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i am even entertaining to lynch LS just because if he flips mafia then i don't have to think about DP anymore. I don't think he is bussing.

I don’t agree, if they are both maf I can absolutely see him bussing. Why do you think otherwise?

idk why he should do that?

Killing Koshi kind of works here, but like... DP started the bus (if that's what it is) when there was no real lynch candidate (aside from mebaby). I don't think it's the correct play there as mafia, since there is no way to predict where the thread sentiment for town ends up on.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
May 26 2023 14:40 GMT
#1761
On May 26 2023 23:38 marvellosity wrote:
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On May 26 2023 23:37 marvellosity wrote:
On May 26 2023 23:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i am even entertaining to lynch LS just because if he flips mafia then i don't have to think about DP anymore. I don't think he is bussing.

I don’t agree, if they are both maf I can absolutely see him bussing. Why do you think otherwise?

You said you liked his LS read, best thing he’s done all game. Well that would be the case if it’s a bus, right?

Yes start of D2.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
May 26 2023 14:42 GMT
#1763
Like his D2 reaction to LS post is possible for being a bus.

His D1 doubt and soft bus on LS is not really, in my eyes. Like i would not do that if i was mafia with LS.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
May 26 2023 14:42 GMT
#1764
Okay, i hear you.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
May 26 2023 14:47 GMT
#1769
gimme a sec marv, gonna buy some beer real quick
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
May 26 2023 15:01 GMT
#1772
On May 26 2023 23:42 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2023 23:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 26 2023 23:37 marvellosity wrote:
On May 26 2023 23:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i am even entertaining to lynch LS just because if he flips mafia then i don't have to think about DP anymore. I don't think he is bussing.

I don’t agree, if they are both maf I can absolutely see him bussing. Why do you think otherwise?

idk why he should do that?

Killing Koshi kind of works here, but like... DP started the bus (if that's what it is) when there was no real lynch candidate (aside from mebaby). I don't think it's the correct play there as mafia, since there is no way to predict where the thread sentiment for town ends up on.

In that team though, DP might assess that LS is slipping and take the decision to start bussing early. Something I have done multiple times in scum games (when I used to win all the time)

Okay so.

I don't know why DP should start the bus (even soft) when everyone is pretty much thinking LS is town in thread? It's okay to be wrong as town and change your opinion if you need to do that, he sure knows that if he is mafia as well.

Now if DP is mafia, we can probably agree that at least some of the reason Koshi was killed because of their rant during N1. If DP is mafia with LS, why does LS come into the thread come start D2 and vomit this shit out effectively throwing suspicion on BOTH of them? And then DP has no excuse to not hard buss.

I genuinely think that's very bad mafia team play that would have started early D1 for no reason at all.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
May 26 2023 15:05 GMT
#1773
I think it is more likely that:
- LS is town and right about some parts of DP's play (why Koshi died)
- DP is right and LS is mafia and LS used that as an excuse to call DP out
- Both are town, DP is wrong on LS and LS makes a wrong conclusion about the night kill

This is not considering their play, just hypothetical in how their alignments align.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
May 26 2023 15:07 GMT
#1774
On May 26 2023 23:42 marvellosity wrote:
In that team though, DP might assess that LS is slipping and take the decision to start bussing early.

I dont believe in that, sorry.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
May 26 2023 15:10 GMT
#1775
On May 27 2023 00:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2023 23:42 marvellosity wrote:
In that team though, DP might assess that LS is slipping and take the decision to start bussing early.

I dont believe in that, sorry.

Like i remember being mafia with DP in a game where we were with ObvousOne (and everything went horribly wrong). We both ended up bussing OO D1 but it wasn't like this, it was a long chat in scum QT before the decision was made and everyone knew what they would get into, and why. And there was definitely no "because i (we) think you might give us away" from DP's part.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
May 26 2023 15:16 GMT
#1776
On May 26 2023 23:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2023 23:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 26 2023 23:37 marvellosity wrote:
On May 26 2023 23:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i am even entertaining to lynch LS just because if he flips mafia then i don't have to think about DP anymore. I don't think he is bussing.

I don’t agree, if they are both maf I can absolutely see him bussing. Why do you think otherwise?

idk why he should do that?

Killing Koshi kind of works here, but like... DP started the bus (if that's what it is) when there was no real lynch candidate (aside from mebaby). I don't think it's the correct play there as mafia, since there is no way to predict where the thread sentiment for town ends up on.

Isn't there, rayn? Isn't there? I seem to recall someone being able to predict where thread sentiment was heading YESTERDAY, when someone led the lynch from MZ to the DOCTOR, and I don't even have extra info. You think that someone with extra info would be unable to not only better sense thread sentiment, but be in a position to manipulate it?

Like...I've been pretty townie on DP but clearing him because he tried tried to lynch someone "when there is no lynch candidate" feels.....again, like you're being intentionally obtuse. It feels like I'm playing with rayn ON HIS FIRST EVER GAME. AWWWWWWW NEWBIE RAYN!!!!

this is really stupid VE.

predicting thread sentiment like 5 hours into the game is different than when 3 or so people only have not voted and half of the thread has locked their votes already.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
May 26 2023 15:30 GMT
#1777
idk i am almost done with VE and voting him no matter what..
it's just too bad at the moment, i need a break.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
May 26 2023 22:22 GMT
#1815
On May 27 2023 02:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
yo wtf how does rayn go from

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On May 25 2023 09:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
VE is town though, bad imo, but town. No questions asked.


to

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On May 27 2023 00:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
idk i am almost done with VE and voting him no matter what..
it's just too bad at the moment, i need a break.


like I don't even

Are you really just salty that I cucked your townie MZ lynch? Fuck off guy. I told you IN THIS THREAD that I was doing it you don't get to be mad about it because you fucked off and let me.

No, i am annoyed you call me "intentionally obtuse" a number of times when i am definitely not and making arguments you YOURSELF agree with, like:
On May 25 2023 08:23 VisceraEyes wrote:
Especially with your god reads backed up by Koshi and the rest of the sheeple? Why would any mafia fucking stay tunneled on marv in that situation?

Like this is what I'm talking about rayn, it feels like you're being intentionally obtuse, I understand biases but this feels...targeted. With intent. With an agenda.

like comeon you agree with my point it's a possibility when i was arguing i didnät think town meapak would un-tunnel marv. And then i am intentionally obtuse?
On May 26 2023 23:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2023 23:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 26 2023 23:37 marvellosity wrote:
On May 26 2023 23:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i am even entertaining to lynch LS just because if he flips mafia then i don't have to think about DP anymore. I don't think he is bussing.

I don’t agree, if they are both maf I can absolutely see him bussing. Why do you think otherwise?

idk why he should do that?

Killing Koshi kind of works here, but like... DP started the bus (if that's what it is) when there was no real lynch candidate (aside from mebaby). I don't think it's the correct play there as mafia, since there is no way to predict where the thread sentiment for town ends up on.

Isn't there, rayn? Isn't there? I seem to recall someone being able to predict where thread sentiment was heading YESTERDAY, when someone led the lynch from MZ to the DOCTOR, and I don't even have extra info. You think that someone with extra info would be unable to not only better sense thread sentiment, but be in a position to manipulate it?

Like...I've been pretty townie on DP but clearing him because he tried tried to lynch someone "when there is no lynch candidate" feels.....again, like you're being intentionally obtuse. It feels like I'm playing with rayn ON HIS FIRST EVER GAME. AWWWWWWW NEWBIE RAYN!!!!

This is full bullcrap because you're comparing scenarios some hours into the game vs some hours into the lynch and making it look like in both situations people should have the same amount of information on who gets lynched. Can you at least see hw there could be some holes in your thinking? But yeah no, rayn is intentionally obtuse playing like newbie.

And this:
On May 25 2023 07:29 VisceraEyes wrote:
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On May 25 2023 07:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 07:24 Vivax wrote:
I‘ma call it a nighty-o
1gu I hope delivers something decent in the future. I don‘t think he read anything at all tbh.

LS gets a downgrade for last appearance while rayn is being annoying on me, redeemed by being observant on him tho.

I‘m sorry if MZ is town.
I‘d also add (to reasons why I think he’s mafia) that his complaint about the egregious posting was warranted, at the same time it felt a bit like he was exaggerating his reaction. Maybe to gain a bunch of cheap cred with those insulted.

Should be an interesting angle to revisit at some point.

Dont worry i wont be advocating a lynch on you in ANY case (while i think you could be mafia) here. You will live to see D2.

You read it here folx, rayn is actively trying to protect mafia Vivax from the lynch.

I think this is where rayn fucked up ladies and gentlemen. Until now his play could be classified as stubborn town, this post right here proves that he's actively trying to harm town, removing the stubborn town possibility entirely because townRayn would never ever not lynch Vivax if he thinks he's mafia if the lynch is viable in this situation.

FUCKING GOTTEEEEEEEEMMMMM

Actively harm town my ass, all you even had was your read based on Vivax interactions with mebaby, where your town read marv had already agreed with me your read is not necessarily true. And that immediately translates to rayn is mafia?


And after that all, you have to come and call me all kind of things and try making it look i am somehow offending you? I came to this game to play a nice game of mafia, you're ruining it. Sadly i don't even know if you're doing it because you're mafia or just an ass right now...
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