[N]A Mostly Normal Game of Mafia

On November 16 2020 18:27 GreYMisT wrote:
Since when have you been a mod? Nice to see you

On November 24 2020 05:23 Tictock wrote:
I think I will just claim early as my role is poinent.

On November 24 2020 17:42 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Vote me mayor just cause

On November 23 2020 13:26 ShoCkeyy wrote:


I’m in the private tl discord for admins:D that’s the only privilege I have

On November 25 2020 08:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:

i have 30 mins max before bed time.
where is your head at?

On November 25 2020 00:28 Tictock wrote:
Going to get some sleep finnaly.

This is the post that makes me want to lynch FF


He had made several posts before this, so why is he making apologies and excuses. His next post even suggests he remembered he was running for mayor.

On November 25 2020 11:19 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I also love how Fefe agrees with me but decided I’m scummy for essentially agreeing with him.

On November 25 2020 14:57 Trfel wrote:
@Fecalfeast, why can't Alakaslam have a fun tone as mafia, especially given that he much prefers the mafia alignment?

Why are you suspicious of Hapahauli?

On November 26 2020 02:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I still have no idea why FF thinks his reads are whatever he said. I really dont know why he thinks anything, and it looks like he doesnt know himself even..

On November 26 2020 04:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
FF why are you voting for me instead of Trfel and who do you want lynched atm?

On November 26 2020 07:06 Hapahauli wrote:
Regarding Slam:

1) His posting is so wildly different from his scum-game in Aperture that I find it difficult to believe he is mafia. As mafia, it almost seems like he's constantly fighting the guilt of being scum. He is much looser here.
2) His move to consolidate the town on Rayn by abandoning his candidacy is objectively pro-town. My reservations against Rayn aside, it was very important at that point in the game for town to focus and consolidate.

On November 26 2020 08:46 ShoCkeyy wrote:
My only thought is FF, he comes, throws shade on me, and leaves. Doesn’t have much interest to the game. Sadly screams more like I’m going to be a shitty town and get carried hopefully more than mafia. But I can be wrong, could just be trying to play the role since I think we have a good amount of activity here from town I feel.

On November 26 2020 11:05 Alakaslam wrote:

Tired but happy

How about you?

On November 26 2020 15:05 Trfel wrote:
Fecalfeast, have you decided yet if you want to play this game?

On November 26 2020 16:51 ShoCkeyy wrote:


You haven’t mentioned me, yet I was apparently one of your biggest scum reads, did that change?

On November 27 2020 05:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hapa do you think it's better, regardless of a player, that the mayor is a blue role or vanilla?

On November 27 2020 06:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Uh oh so... Anyways i am just gonna come out with it. Why did you decide to claim blue at the start of D2?

On November 27 2020 06:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay let's cut this discussion for now. I don't think it'll help anymore.

##vote Vivax

On November 24 2020 20:49 Jockmcplop wrote:


I saw you throw shade at FF a little yesterday. Why you after him?

On November 24 2020 21:53 Jockmcplop wrote:


So when hap says he doesn't like to give reads early that should raise a huge red flag for you.

On November 25 2020 23:41 Jockmcplop wrote:


I disagree that townreads aren't important right now. They pretty much narrow down the pool of who can be mayor.
Clearly shockeyy has no people townreading him so he won't be mayor.

Out of the people claiming they want to be mayor, only slam and ticktock have said what they will do if elected.

That's a problem. Out of those two I would probably prefer slam because at least he's been here enough that i'm confident he knows exactly what is happening.

I'm unvoting grack because I don't feel like he has continued to engage with the mayor thing at all really like he never really wanted to be mayor in the first place.

Trfel seems like an odd choice to me. He hasn't said he wanted to be mayor and has given no indication of what he would do if he was mayor. I can't vote for him anyway.

On November 28 2020 02:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am one fourth over my 16 hrs shift, i am gonna follow along the thread and post whenever i can. More activity will come tomorrow evening (my time).

About this:

I believe 2/3 of this case on jock happened before FF posted a town read on him. I can understand people changing their mind but i dont really believe people change their mind completely based on the same evidence they had before, and i dont really see this being a case of "X promised something and then didn't deliver", which would be appropriate explanation in my opinion.

So do you want to explain this FF, why does same stuff make jock town and mafia?

On November 28 2020 04:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Anyways at first glance Vivax's post toward Hapa makes sense. I am however gonna go and check how Vivax treats lynches in situations he particularly included in his post and see if that actually holds water.

I still dont think jock is mafia. Some of the points against him are just plain out terrible and dont even make anyone mafia, and i can clearly see why jock has (or rather would) done those things as town. Some of the points are so so... It is true that he has done those things (like Viva too) but i am just very unsure here that jock doing thoses things would make him mafia. I still am interested in his answers to the accusations against him.

I however think FecalFeast is most likely mafia here. Short version is that during N1 there were two cases that rose, jock and vivax. I get the impression that FF doesnt even know what the cases are and just decided to pick one of those two to push without much thinking. There are things that support that point:
- He doesnt even know what the case against Vivax is. I understand choosing from 2 "lynch targets" but he hasnt even read the case against Vivax
- His points on jock mostly happened at the time he townread jock. I dont know how that makes sense because apparently he doesnt even share the same opinion that jock's "irrationality" during slam campaign is suspicious (as it's not in his case). He has never talked about it either so i believe he hasnt even read it. Or if he has read it why hasn't he commented on it, even with "i agree" or "i dont think that makes jock mafia", after all jock is his top scumread it seems?

For those things i think FF is mafia. I can elaborate further in case someone thinks i am being unclear here, but that's not gonna happen befor e my second shift ends (in 9 hours).

##unvote Vivax
##vote Fecalfeast

On November 28 2020 06:41 Trfel wrote:
It's probably time to try and start consolidating. I know I haven't been very present today, sorry about that; I'll get some food and start evaluating other wagons. I still do like the Jockmcplop lynch, to me the arguments for it are strong and compelling, but I'll try to see if there is anything else I could go for.

On November 28 2020 14:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I just got home but i have really no care level to talk with mafia.

On November 29 2020 04:00 DoYouHas wrote:
Vote Count

ShoCkeyy (0):
Jockmcplop (6): Fecalfeast, Trfel, Tictock, ShoCkeyy, Vivax, Hapahauli
Tictock (0):
Raynpelikoneet (0):
Fecalfeast (1): Raynpelikoneet
Vivax (0): Hapahauli, Raynpelikoneet, ShoCkeyy
Hapahauli (0):
Trfel (0):
No Lynch (0):

Not Voting: Jockmcplop

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Currently, Jockmcplop is set to be lynched.

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Day 2 ends in on Saturday, Nov 28 8:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00).

On November 27 2020 08:39 Trfel wrote:
Voted for Jockmcplop for now anyway, as I'm much more confident in him being mafia. Probably okay with consolidating on Vivax if needed, though I'm interested to see how Vivax and Jockmcplop go from here.

If anyone wants to talk, let me know. I'm bored

On November 26 2020 07:55 Trfel wrote:
Jockmcplop

• Jockmcplop spent much of his Day 1 pushing suspicion at Alakaslam, only to say that he wasn't ever scumreading him
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  Jockmcplop's posts pushing suspicion at Alakaslam:

  On November 24 2020 20:50 Jockmcplop wrote:
  Does it look to anyone else like slam just wants the protection of being mayor but none of the responsibility? I'm not sure if its mafia motivated but it puts a different slant on his mayoral run. He's portraying it as the utilitarian option where town gets to choose but to me it just looks like he's asking people to early town read him for no real reason.

  On November 24 2020 21:09 Jockmcplop wrote:
  

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  On November 24 2020 09:00 Trfel wrote:
  

  On November 24 2020 08:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
  

  On November 24 2020 08:52 Trfel wrote:
  For me, Alakaslam's mayor candidacy feels genuine. While I don't necessarily agree with his "pliable" argument, it seems to come from a town perspective. I also like his tone this game, it feels like a good balance between serious and playful, which I think is hard for Alakaslam as scum. I've seen him play both very joking and very serious as mafia, but a balance like shown here is harder to achieve.

  
  I think i agree with other parts of your post, but why would Slam NOT candidate himself as mayor as mafia? Why would anyone, regardless of alignment, per se not wanna be mayor?
  

  On November 24 2020 08:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
  Why do you think there is 3 mafia?

  Slight possibility, no? Given the KP formula in the setup post rather than just saying 1 KP.

  
  really? so mylo D2 if the mayor lynches town? even worse if the mayor/pardoner happens to be mafia....
  

  As to the second part, I dunno, I didn't really think a ton about it. I just don't count anything 100% out in terms of setup. It doesn't really matter anyway, no?
  
  I am not saying that Alakaslam wouldn't try to make himself mayor as mafia. He likely would. I feel that the way he has gone about it is genuine and towny.

  
  
  Hi trfel! Can you see how his run might not seem to me to come from a town perspective at all? Sure it looks like it but also you can also just as easily look at it as mafia trying to get free protection without having to risk anything because town gets the blame for the lynch and not slam.

  On November 24 2020 22:33 Jockmcplop wrote:
  

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  On November 24 2020 06:34 Alakaslam wrote:
  
  So, I think the campaign is actually in itself (due to timing) it’s own credence to the fact that my pliability is a good thing.

  
  
  We should vote for him because his campaign validates him as town by its very nature?
  But he could just as easily be making this argument as mafia and playing the odds of a townkill by consent on day 1 for the free protection. He shouldn't get any towncred for the promise to do what town decides.
  
  

  Excluding the way he pushes suspicion at me (Trfel) for thinking that Alakaslam's mayoral campaign was towny, or posts including that. Regardless, Jockmcplop clearly criticized Alakaslam's mayoral campaign.

  On November 25 2020 23:41 Jockmcplop wrote:
  

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  On November 25 2020 23:30 Hapahauli wrote:
  Mornin'.
  
  So we have a lynch in 6 hours. This discussion needs to be about a) who is mayor, and b) who town wants dead. There are too many people talking about light suspicions and townreads. That is not important right now.
  
  Trfel for mayor. Whoever is mayor should shoot Grack or Shockeyy.
  
  I think Grack is mafia, and I think Trfel brought up the best point against him: he has been relatively active and running for mayor, but reading his filter, I have no sense of what is "platform" is and who he even wants lynched. That seems like the hallmark of scum "looking like they want to contribute."
  
  Shockeyy is remarkably disengaged in this game. He is existing, but again, no idea of what he wants to accomplish beyond his mayoral preferences.

  
  
  I disagree that townreads aren't important right now. They pretty much narrow down the pool of who can be mayor.
  Clearly shockeyy has no people townreading him so he won't be mayor.
  
  Out of the people claiming they want to be mayor, only slam and ticktock have said what they will do if elected.
  
  That's a problem. Out of those two I would probably prefer slam because at least he's been here enough that i'm confident he knows exactly what is happening.

  Emphasis mine. And:

  On November 26 2020 01:50 Jockmcplop wrote:
  

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  On November 26 2020 01:38 Grackaroni wrote:
  

  On November 26 2020 01:24 Vivax wrote:
  

  On November 26 2020 00:54 Grackaroni wrote:
  If I were mayor I'd kill Ticktock. I think he's less comfortable playing scum and more likely to lurk through the day because of his role than FF. (I know he's playing WoW but the thread isn't overwhelmingly large)
  
  I wouldn't be upset though if any of FF/ShoCkey/TT are lynched.
  
  Of active players Trfel is most likely mafia but I wouldn't gamble on that today, though I'd definitely like to avoid him being elected.

  
  
  What's your take on Jock?

  
  
  His post about Trfel was a good one and I think he has the right view on Rayn. I'm not sure what his reasoning was for changing his mind on Slam.

  
  
  Although I didn't think slam's campaign naturally made him town, i never scumread him and still don't.

  So then what was the purpose of these posts about Alakaslam? If it stuck out so much, why didn't it result in a scumread? Or even an "I don't want this guy to be mayor"? It makes no sense from a town perspective.
  
  Jockmcplop didn't actually care or follow up on his posts about Alakaslam, despite having valid reasons to suspect Alakaslam and definitely valid reasons to be suspicious of his mayoral campaign.
  
  
• Didn't care to push or lynch his only scumread (me)
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  Jockmcplop was critical of my play in what I can only assume to be a scumread:

  On November 24 2020 22:44 Jockmcplop wrote:
  

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  On November 24 2020 08:52 Trfel wrote:
  I don't think anything people say would change my opinion of Alakaslam, I don't ask to figure out more about Alakaslam's alignment, rather I asked to try and help figure out yours. Your answer isn't particularly helpful, but it's also understandable, so not much was gained. Oh well.
  
  For me, Alakaslam's mayor candidacy feels genuine. While I don't necessarily agree with his "pliable" argument, it seems to come from a town perspective. I also like his tone this game, it feels like a good balance between serious and playful, which I think is hard for Alakaslam as scum. I've seen him play both very joking and very serious as mafia, but a balance like shown here is harder to achieve.
  

  
  
  This post is bizarre.
  He says he doesn't think anything anyone will say will change his opinion of slam.
  
  But then later on:
  

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  On November 24 2020 15:28 Trfel wrote:
  That's an interesting point about Alakaslam, I'll have ro think about that. His persistence about the mayor stuff with little substance is giving me pause too.

  
  
  
  Also:
  

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  On November 24 2020 08:52 Trfel wrote:
  
  For me, Alakaslam's mayor candidacy feels genuine. While I don't necessarily agree with his "pliable" argument, it seems to come from a town perspective. I also like his tone this game, it feels like a good balance between serious and playful, which I think is hard for Alakaslam as scum. I've seen him play both very joking and very serious as mafia, but a balance like shown here is harder to achieve.
  

  
  
  Slam's pliable argument IS his entire campaign. Vote for him because he must be town because a vote for him is a vote for whatever town decides, therefore he must be town.
  I don't see how that comes from a town perspective.
  
  Trfel's start is all full of contradictions. He seems ultra confident about slam's tone and then seems to drop that line of thought so easily.

  On November 25 2020 18:45 Jockmcplop wrote:
  

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  On November 25 2020 15:56 Trfel wrote:
  The more I think about it, the less I like Jockmcplop's criticisms of Alakaslam's mayoral run. I'm not sure how much incentive there is for mafia to want the mayor's bodyguard protection; how likely is it that mafia will be targeted with KP? There is no confirmed town KP, and a third party with KP (while not out of the question) would still have to target him, which is a bit strange too. Nothing Jockmcplop is saying is technically wrong: mafia could campaign to try and get the mayor protection and absolve themselves of responsibility by lynching town's target and getting townreads. But it's just not very compelling. Alakaslam could also be town doing exactly the same thing. The mafia motivation for that kind of play isn't really more compelling than the town motivation, I don't understand how it makes Alakaslam mafia.
  
  I feel like I worded that poorly but it's late at night so I'm not sure if I can say it any better right now. Let me know if that doesn't make sense.
  
  I think Jockmcplop is likely my top suspect at this time.

  
  
  I thought I made it pretty clear I was more critical of you townreading slam than i was of slam's run.
  
  You are exactly right that slam's run *could* be from a town perspective, but my problem was that you immediately assumed it was from a town perspective and didn't even consider the idea that mafia could be doing the same thing for mafia reasons.

  On November 25 2020 23:41 Jockmcplop wrote:
  

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  On November 25 2020 23:30 Hapahauli wrote:
  Mornin'.
  
  So we have a lynch in 6 hours. This discussion needs to be about a) who is mayor, and b) who town wants dead. There are too many people talking about light suspicions and townreads. That is not important right now.
  
  Trfel for mayor. Whoever is mayor should shoot Grack or Shockeyy.
  
  I think Grack is mafia, and I think Trfel brought up the best point against him: he has been relatively active and running for mayor, but reading his filter, I have no sense of what is "platform" is and who he even wants lynched. That seems like the hallmark of scum "looking like they want to contribute."
  
  Shockeyy is remarkably disengaged in this game. He is existing, but again, no idea of what he wants to accomplish beyond his mayoral preferences.

  
  
  I disagree that townreads aren't important right now. They pretty much narrow down the pool of who can be mayor.
  Clearly shockeyy has no people townreading him so he won't be mayor.
  
  Out of the people claiming they want to be mayor, only slam and ticktock have said what they will do if elected.
  
  That's a problem. Out of those two I would probably prefer slam because at least he's been here enough that i'm confident he knows exactly what is happening.
  
  I'm unvoting grack because I don't feel like he has continued to engage with the mayor thing at all really like he never really wanted to be mayor in the first place.
  
  Trfel seems like an odd choice to me. He hasn't said he wanted to be mayor and has given no indication of what he would do if he was mayor. I can't vote for him anyway.

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  This is by far the strongest suspicion Jockmcplop has shared in his entire filter. However, Jockmcplop never even directly says he is suspicious of me, or scumreading me, or anything to that effect. He never advocates for a lynch on me.
  
  In the end, he ends up slightly advocating for a lynch on Tictock:

  On November 26 2020 01:50 Jockmcplop wrote:
  slam:
  Will do what town decides
  
  grack:
  TT
  
  TT:
  FeFe
  
  Rayn:
  FF or TT
  
  Fefe:
  TT maybe Shockeyy
  
  Trfel:
  me, shockeyy, FF, TT, Grack
  
  We need to get this down to 2 candidates who are trusted by town.
  
  Personally I would have one of grack/rayn as mayor and maybe slam as pardoner.
  I will probably revote grack just because I think TT has been super lazy just picking something Fefe said on the first page and leaving that as his scumread for the whole time.
  
  

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  On November 26 2020 01:38 Grackaroni wrote:
  

  On November 26 2020 01:24 Vivax wrote:
  

  On November 26 2020 00:54 Grackaroni wrote:
  If I were mayor I'd kill Ticktock. I think he's less comfortable playing scum and more likely to lurk through the day because of his role than FF. (I know he's playing WoW but the thread isn't overwhelmingly large)
  
  I wouldn't be upset though if any of FF/ShoCkey/TT are lynched.
  
  Of active players Trfel is most likely mafia but I wouldn't gamble on that today, though I'd definitely like to avoid him being elected.

  
  
  What's your take on Jock?

  
  
  His post about Trfel was a good one and I think he has the right view on Rayn. I'm not sure what his reasoning was for changing his mind on Slam.

  
  
  Although I didn't think slam's campaign naturally made him town, i never scumread him and still don't.

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  Calling Tictock lazy, not even mafia. This means that Jockmcplop is content having essentially no scumreads, almost no suspicions, the entire Day 1. He can try to explain it away as a mayoral election, yet he still says it's important to know what the candidates will do if elected. This isn't the insightful town Jockmcplop I am used to seeing.
  
  It's not a matter of time either, as Jockmcplop said he had plenty of time to play today:

  On November 25 2020 21:38 Jockmcplop wrote:
  

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  On November 25 2020 21:20 Trfel wrote:
  

  On November 25 2020 18:45 Jockmcplop wrote:
  

  On November 25 2020 15:56 Trfel wrote:
  The more I think about it, the less I like Jockmcplop's criticisms of Alakaslam's mayoral run. I'm not sure how much incentive there is for mafia to want the mayor's bodyguard protection; how likely is it that mafia will be targeted with KP? There is no confirmed town KP, and a third party with KP (while not out of the question) would still have to target him, which is a bit strange too. Nothing Jockmcplop is saying is technically wrong: mafia could campaign to try and get the mayor protection and absolve themselves of responsibility by lynching town's target and getting townreads. But it's just not very compelling. Alakaslam could also be town doing exactly the same thing. The mafia motivation for that kind of play isn't really more compelling than the town motivation, I don't understand how it makes Alakaslam mafia.
  
  I feel like I worded that poorly but it's late at night so I'm not sure if I can say it any better right now. Let me know if that doesn't make sense.
  
  I think Jockmcplop is likely my top suspect at this time.

  
  
  I thought I made it pretty clear I was more critical of you townreading slam than i was of slam's run.
  
  You are exactly right that slam's run *could* be from a town perspective, but my problem was that you immediately assumed it was from a town perspective and didn't even consider the idea that mafia could be doing the same thing for mafia reasons.

  @First paragraph: I see, sorry I missed that.
  
  @Second paragraph: It's the way that Alakaslam was going about his campaign that seemed towny to me, not the fact about it. Mostly a tonal read at first. I do think that the "pliability" argument is more likely to come from town, as (in my opinion) lynch blame doesn't really exist and as a result, it feels a bit strange for mafia to come up with that argument. But the tonal read was the main part of my read.
  
  In other news, I really do want you to be town this game But right now, I'm just not seeing it. You feel minimally involved and not very invested. I assume you disagree with my assessment?
  

  
  
  No you're exactly right. I haven't had a whole lot of time so far but i'm here all day (minus video game playing time of course) today so you'll get more out of me.
  

  Yet even in a short game, seems content with having no scumreads. The simplest and most likely explanation is that he is mafia.
  
  

Conclusion
Jockmcplop hasn't accomplished anything this game. He has no scumreads, almost no suspicions even, yet seems very content with this. His words and posts also don't match the (lack of) conclusions he draws from them. In combination with not caring about who is lynched Day 1, Jockmcplop is very likely mafia.

On November 28 2020 09:30 Tictock wrote:
You wanna tin foil a possible hapa/Rayn team with me?

On November 28 2020 10:03 Tictock wrote:
Was kinda a joke, would probably be the worst scum team for town to deal with. Though I would love to find solid reasons to keep the paranoia at Bay.

Honestly I am not totally sure how to read them well. I have only played with Hapa once and I was mafia so him not feeling as obviuse town as I was him that game is not a good basis for a read. Still that feeling and not really liking/agreeing with his reads this game has me a little sus.

As for Rayn I have been able to see where Rayn is coming from in general and have agreed with his reads, so is most likely town. However his play does feel in line with his mafia play in that he doesn't have as clear a focus as I tend to see him have and was willing to do what other people wanted over his own prefferrance as Mayor. None of that is really sufficient to call him scum but it does keep me from having a lock town read on him.

Right now I do not understand where Rayn is coming from and disagree with his reads but am wanting to see his responses before I go much further on that.

And just for a disclaimer: None of this effects the current state of the game where we should be lynching Jock kus he is super likely to flip mafia.

On November 27 2020 14:41 Tictock wrote:
Yea, the more I look at Hapa's case on Vivax I don't think it holds any water.

I don't see why a mafia!vivax would push away from a mislynch on someone he has only stated is a null read.

Going to look into the Jock stuff tomorrow.

On November 28 2020 08:48 Tictock wrote:
That looked like a decent catch on Vivax there Trfel but I can't quite substantiate it from Vivax's filter (I see him going back and forth on Jock and even says he'd shoot FF or Sho). Please feel free to show me what I missed.

Had some minor shit come up this morning but I should have some time today. I will not be around for deadline tomorrow however.

Oh and before I filter, I don't find Rayns case on FF very compelling either. Ff is low effort but his tone has been reading as town to me.

@Rayn Do you think FF has a better chance at being mafia then Sho?

On November 28 2020 08:55 Tictock wrote:
Yea Jock is for sure who we should lynch boys.

I kinda even want to say Rayn is mafia for saying Jock is town. There is like no reason.the Ryan I know could say the filter I just read is a confident town read.

Jock is like the definition of blendy sidelining. I see at most 2 interesting posts (not a simple question or fluff) and one of those is softing a scum read on Trfel for changing his mind...

##Vote: Jock

On November 28 2020 09:04 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I can flip over to Jock, sorry been extremely busy today with the baby.

On November 28 2020 10:05 ShoCkeyy wrote:


Jock doesn’t scum read anybody this game. He slightly hints that you and I are mafia somehow. He pushes for Grack as mayor, although this isn’t alignment indicative, but rather push Grack after ignoring how 3p his first post was. Those are enough for me to vote Jock.

On November 28 2020 11:33 ShoCkeyy wrote:


What’s there to explain? I’m consolidating my vote, both are viable targets for me. There’s hardly any substance to Jock over Vivax.

On November 29 2020 04:49 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I don’t like that so many are voting jock. It can’t be a jock and Rayn team

On November 29 2020 01:38 Vivax wrote:
Certainly would help if Jock came back and posted something.

I'm a bit worried that he's the only viable wagon. But I'll vote for him in the meantime.
Anyone else around?



This post is also giving me pause. Because on the followup Hapa avoids to answer Jocks question where he got the joke candidacy from. I don't know if it has been adressed afterwards though.

On November 29 2020 04:08 Hapahauli wrote:
Brief skim.

Vivax's attitudes towards wanting to get lurkers before active players generally makes sense. I think his recent posting is much better. I've discussed some of my thoughts on Jocks filter previously. He hasn't posted, and that makes him as good of a lynch as any... even if the lack of resistance bothers me.

Frankly, I'm pretty lost this game. I should have more time to play after the holiday weekend ends if I am alive. Hopefully getting rid of an inactive player will help thin the weeds or flip a red.

On November 25 2020 02:35 Hapahauli wrote:


Where did Jock dodge/miss my question? Upon a review of the thread, he answered what I asked of him to my knowledge.

On November 26 2020 04:27 Hapahauli wrote:
Yes, I agree that Jock was much more "blatant" last scumgame I played with him.

Regarding Grack - I can't be sure especially in an "inactive" game like this. I'm really never sure about any D1 case, but I hope players realize that I have a pretty darn high D1 scum lynch rate. He is the strongest read that I have, and that is enough for me to want to lynch him on D1.

On November 26 2020 07:57 Hapahauli wrote:
Honestly, I don't remember anything that Jock said this game, which probably makes him mafia.

On November 29 2020 14:17 Trfel wrote:
I'm around.

7 players.
I'm town. Hapahauli claimed blue. Five left, two mafia.

If raynpelikoneet is mafia, he's playing exceptionally well. I almost want to call him mafia because I am not sure who is mafia and it almost feels like TMI on Jockmcplop, but that's not really fair. I don't have any actual reasons to call him mafia, so he is most likely town.

Tictock feels towny, he's felt especially invested as of late. I remember him being able to replicate his town play fairly well as mafia, however his most recent mafia game has much more rigid posting than this game. So tone also says he is town. I would say Tictock is a good chance of being town, but could be wrong.

Leaves Fecalfeast, ShoCkeyy, and Vivax. I looked through Fecalfeast and ShoCkeyy's filters earlier and didn't find very much useful stuff. While I'm glad Fecalfeast has started to put a bit more effort in, I haven't yet seen anything too alignment indicative. Though I could very well be missing stuff. Vivax also feels towny to me, though that's just a weak impression and I still need to check his filter.

Honestly everyone kinda feels like town, which isn't a great place to be Makes me wonder if raynpelikoneet or Hapahauli is mafia after all. I will review Hapahauli's filter but I can't find any reasons to justify them being mafia though So I dunno. Bleh.

On November 30 2020 05:10 Trfel wrote:
I mean, we're allowed to vote for a no-lynch, correct?

Nice though. We can decide later if a no-lynch is what we want to do, now that you're (presumably) confirmed town it doesn't make a ton of sense to no-lynch though.

On November 30 2020 05:15 Trfel wrote:
Yeah, I don't really see much of a way around it.

I dunno, I've had no idea what to do with my role this game.

The key though, is that I was roleblocked last night. Which means that mafia decided to not only not kill Hapahauli, but not roleblock him (I don't believe they would have two roleblockers).

So that makes Hapahauli almost certainly mafia. I don't understand the setup of this game; part of me still wants to believe that there are three town power roles, especially with the parity cop being a weaker one, but after talking with raynpelikoneet I kinda doubt that.

On December 02 2020 04:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:

tbh i can switch to him, i dont fucking care.

On December 02 2020 06:33 Hapahauli wrote:


Also, Trfel has to go to try and RB KP (assming he is the jailer) AFAIK.

Otherwise, if mafia RB's him, he never saves anyone. The "roleblock" portion of his action would resolve, but his "save" would not, according to the hosts.