EPTI don't see why a mafia!vivax would push away from a mislynch on someone he has only stated is a null read.
Going to look into the Jock stuff tomorrow.
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Tictock
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I don't see why a mafia!vivax would push away from a mislynch on someone he has only stated is a null read. Going to look into the Jock stuff tomorrow. | ||
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GreYMisT
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ShoCkeyy (0): Jockmcplop (2): Fecalfeast, Trfel Tictock (0): Raynpelikoneet (0): Fecalfeast (0): Vivax (2): Hapahauli, Raynpelikoneet Hapahauli (0): Trfel (0): No Lynch (0): Not Voting: ShoCkeyy, Jockmcplop, Tictock, Vivax. Day 2 ends in on Saturday, Nov 28 8:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00). | ||
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Vivax
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On November 27 2020 07:00 Hapahauli wrote: The point is that in addition to having this attitude of "lets lynch any one of these people", he also takes opposition to town's attempt to consolidate on the Grack lynch. It is the combination of these two things that is anti-town, because he shits on Town's one effort to consolidate while providing no alternative. It's purely criticism as opposed to anything constructive. ON TOP OF THAT, there is the Grack stuff. I did a poor job of explaining the incongruency. I was more referring to how Vivax mentions that he wants Grack alive because he enjoys playing with him, and then starts to be very against his lynch despite him being a null read. I can get how he'd do so if he thought Grack was town. He does not. I can get how he'd do so if he thought Grack had a higher chance of flipping town than other players... yet some of the other lurkers (i.e. Shockey) were null "cant read this player" reads. ---- So all in all, we are left with this story that an experienced forum mafia player is ok with lynching into a pool of lurkers, but not his null read Grack, and he's not going to try at all to guide town into what he wants beyond his pool of lurkers. I don't buy it. IIRC I almost always prioritize lurkers on D1 and not active players who are NKable as town. You are also twisting very hard trying to make your point stick. Either that or you aren't able to understand why I didn't want to kill a null read whose posts I found funny. You say I'm not doing enough at lynch, while I have two posts asking both the mayoral candidates if they would prioritize my preferences. Saying on one hand that I was pushing too many targets at once, then on the other that I wasn't trying to guide the lynch. No I didn't have a superscum read in particular and was content with having Shockeyy, TT and Jock in the lynch pool. Because as an experienced forum mafia player I know better than to try too hard on D1, then I end up in a stupid read anyway because of confirmation bias or it's a good read and can't lynch them for lack of info, cooperation etc. So I go for more policy-like lynches. Mostly. If there isn't someone who in my opinion bled red. he also takes opposition to town's attempt to consolidate on the Grack lynch. First of all, we were consolidating on a mayor. Since I asked rayn to lynch my preferences instead, I wasn't trying to stop him from getting elected, which would be the way to stop Grack from being lynched. Overall I think you call me mafia for things that could probably be said in a much simpler way. * Didn't do enough. * Lynch pool too big. * Wanted to lynch lurkers. * Didn't want to lynch a null read. And usually, dressing up things convolutedly is what mafia likes to do to beef up posts in active towns. But you apparently are blue and missed info from the OP when you're Hapa. It means in theory that now you have to be roleblocked every night if it was a mafia block. | ||
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Vivax
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On November 26 2020 01:50 Jockmcplop wrote: slam: Will do what town decides grack: TT TT: FeFe Rayn: FF or TT Fefe: TT maybe Shockeyy Trfel: me, shockeyy, FF, TT, Grack We need to get this down to 2 candidates who are trusted by town. Personally I would have one of grack/rayn as mayor and maybe slam as pardoner. I will probably revote grack just because I think TT has been super lazy just picking something Fefe said on the first page and leaving that as his scumread for the whole time. Although I didn't think slam's campaign naturally made him town, i never scumread him and still don't. This for example is a mafia post. Tries to look helpful doing a mayor votecount, and doesn't take into consideration what he previously said he thought about Grack. On November 25 2020 23:41 Jockmcplop wrote: I disagree that townreads aren't important right now. They pretty much narrow down the pool of who can be mayor. Clearly shockeyy has no people townreading him so he won't be mayor. Out of the people claiming they want to be mayor, only slam and ticktock have said what they will do if elected. That's a problem. Out of those two I would probably prefer slam because at least he's been here enough that i'm confident he knows exactly what is happening. I'm unvoting grack because I don't feel like he has continued to engage with the mayor thing at all really like he never really wanted to be mayor in the first place. Trfel seems like an odd choice to me. He hasn't said he wanted to be mayor and has given no indication of what he would do if he was mayor. I can't vote for him anyway. Regardless of who Grack wanted to lynch. Jock previously said that he wouldn't vote for him because of the low motivation to be mayor, and I don't think that changed at all approaching the lynch. | ||
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Vivax
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Because of his biggish post when EoD approached. Plus keeping up the general nonchalantness when he was under lynch threat, which is his town tone usually. Now that it's answered, your turn. On November 27 2020 10:12 ShoCkeyy wrote: Well people seem to be agreeing that Vivax needs to go, and he also hasn’t even answered my question on FF, so I’d say vivax  Who are people and are they more than those who wanna lynch Jock? You seem very happy to latch yourself onto Hapa's case here, and then hide behind the reasoning that a majority (is it?) agrees to lynch me. Call both scum equally but prefer one especially eh? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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About this: On November 27 2020 07:48 Fecalfeast wrote: One of his first posts is asking why someone threw shade when all they did was say they'd shoot me Shade at hapa that honestly jumped out at me more last night than it does now but I don't believe he followed up on this line of thought Going into the details of who he'd like to be mayor and saying his best candidate is slam just because slam "knows what's happening" which when trying to make the mayorship into your sole purpose seems pretty lackluster. Then basically he posts who the mayor preferences are, says rayn is a good pick then disappears well before deadline. Truly not the most solid ground to stand this scumread on but until I get back to my computer it's what I have I believe 2/3 of this case on jock happened before FF posted a town read on him. I can understand people changing their mind but i dont really believe people change their mind completely based on the same evidence they had before, and i dont really see this being a case of "X promised something and then didn't deliver", which would be appropriate explanation in my opinion. So do you want to explain this FF, why does same stuff make jock town and mafia? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On November 27 2020 07:43 Trfel wrote: Nice job Hapahauli  What is this about? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On November 27 2020 14:08 Tictock wrote: It occurs to me that I have basically poe'd myself down to Jock/Sho Why not FF? | ||
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Trfel
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raynpelikoneet
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On November 28 2020 03:05 Trfel wrote: This was about Hapahauli claiming the roleblock. Okay so why was it "nice job"? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On November 27 2020 22:00 Vivax wrote: This for example is a mafia post. Tries to look helpful doing a mayor votecount, and doesn't take into consideration what he previously said he thought about Grack. Regardless of who Grack wanted to lynch. Jock previously said that he wouldn't vote for him because of the low motivation to be mayor, and I don't think that changed at all approaching the lynch. There is a span of two hours between these two posts from jock. Did you check what grack did during that time? If nothing that should make jock change his mind then i think this is actually a valid point. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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raynpelikoneet
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I still dont think jock is mafia. Some of the points against him are just plain out terrible and dont even make anyone mafia, and i can clearly see why jock has (or rather would) done those things as town. Some of the points are so so... It is true that he has done those things (like Viva too) but i am just very unsure here that jock doing thoses things would make him mafia. I still am interested in his answers to the accusations against him. I however think FecalFeast is most likely mafia here. Short version is that during N1 there were two cases that rose, jock and vivax. I get the impression that FF doesnt even know what the cases are and just decided to pick one of those two to push without much thinking. There are things that support that point: - He doesnt even know what the case against Vivax is. I understand choosing from 2 "lynch targets" but he hasnt even read the case against Vivax - His points on jock mostly happened at the time he townread jock. I dont know how that makes sense because apparently he doesnt even share the same opinion that jock's "irrationality" during slam campaign is suspicious (as it's not in his case). He has never talked about it either so i believe he hasnt even read it. Or if he has read it why hasn't he commented on it, even with "i agree" or "i dont think that makes jock mafia", after all jock is his top scumread it seems? For those things i think FF is mafia. I can elaborate further in case someone thinks i am being unclear here, but that's not gonna happen befor e my second shift ends (in 9 hours). ##unvote Vivax ##vote Fecalfeast | ||
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Trfel
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I'll take a look at your Fecalfeast stuff in a bit. | ||
Fecalfeast
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On November 28 2020 02:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am one fourth over my 16 hrs shift, i am gonna follow along the thread and post whenever i can. More activity will come tomorrow evening (my time). About this: I believe 2/3 of this case on jock happened before FF posted a town read on him. I can understand people changing their mind but i dont really believe people change their mind completely based on the same evidence they had before, and i dont really see this being a case of "X promised something and then didn't deliver", which would be appropriate explanation in my opinion. So do you want to explain this FF, why does same stuff make jock town and mafia? I saw big posts made a read and even hedged my town read by saying I know jock is a capable scum. *Shrug* | ||
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Fecalfeast
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On November 28 2020 04:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: Anyways at first glance Vivax's post toward Hapa makes sense. I am however gonna go and check how Vivax treats lynches in situations he particularly included in his post and see if that actually holds water. I still dont think jock is mafia. Some of the points against him are just plain out terrible and dont even make anyone mafia, and i can clearly see why jock has (or rather would) done those things as town. Some of the points are so so... It is true that he has done those things (like Viva too) but i am just very unsure here that jock doing thoses things would make him mafia. I still am interested in his answers to the accusations against him. I however think FecalFeast is most likely mafia here. Short version is that during N1 there were two cases that rose, jock and vivax. I get the impression that FF doesnt even know what the cases are and just decided to pick one of those two to push without much thinking. There are things that support that point: - He doesnt even know what the case against Vivax is. I understand choosing from 2 "lynch targets" but he hasnt even read the case against Vivax - His points on jock mostly happened at the time he townread jock. I dont know how that makes sense because apparently he doesnt even share the same opinion that jock's "irrationality" during slam campaign is suspicious (as it's not in his case). He has never talked about it either so i believe he hasnt even read it. Or if he has read it why hasn't he commented on it, even with "i agree" or "i dont think that makes jock mafia", after all jock is his top scumread it seems? For those things i think FF is mafia. I can elaborate further in case someone thinks i am being unclear here, but that's not gonna happen befor e my second shift ends (in 9 hours). ##unvote Vivax ##vote Fecalfeast What if the bolded is true but I'm still not mafia? | ||
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Fecalfeast
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On November 28 2020 06:31 ShoCkeyy wrote: ##vote Vivax Hey thanks! | ||
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