EPTOn November 27 2020 06:37 Fecalfeast wrote:
Do you have a series of posts to point to that'll help me on vivax?
Do you have a series of posts to point to that'll help me on vivax?
Hapa's case.
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43266 Posts
Hapa's case. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On November 26 2020 12:53 Trfel wrote: I was making another list post and then I realized it was useless so I deleted it. Forgot that my thoughts on the Vivax case were in there, so I never actually posted them. Sorry. I don't really see Vivax's pursuit of multiple lynch targets as particularly compelling, I suppose. I agree with you that it's improper gameplay for town, but at the same time I could see it coming from town. I'm interested to see what Vivax has to say about it though, I'll let him speak for himself. Maybe I'm being dumb here. ... The point is that in addition to having this attitude of "lets lynch any one of these people", he also takes opposition to town's attempt to consolidate on the Grack lynch. It is the combination of these two things that is anti-town, because he shits on Town's one effort to consolidate while providing no alternative. It's purely criticism as opposed to anything constructive. As for the incongruencies around Grackaroni, you're saying that Vivax said both: (1) Grackaroni isn't supertown or anything (2) Didn't buy the arguments for Grackaroni being mafia To me, Vivax having effectively a null read of Grackaroni satisfies both of these conditions. He wouldn't want to keep him alive because he's towny, but he still wouldn't want to lynch him because he's not scummy. I'll keep re-evaluating though. ON TOP OF THAT, there is the Grack stuff. I did a poor job of explaining the incongruency. I was more referring to how Vivax mentions that he wants Grack alive because he enjoys playing with him, and then starts to be very against his lynch despite him being a null read. I can get how he'd do so if he thought Grack was town. He does not. I can get how he'd do so if he thought Grack had a higher chance of flipping town than other players... yet some of the other lurkers (i.e. Shockey) were null "cant read this player" reads. ---- So all in all, we are left with this story that an experienced forum mafia player is ok with lynching into a pool of lurkers, but not his null read Grack, and he's not going to try at all to guide town into what he wants beyond his pool of lurkers. I don't buy it. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
His end of day play just looks really damn lazy. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
 Just got back. Kinda surprised about the Alakaslam kill, but he had a role and I like playing with him so that's disappointing. I'll take another look at the Vivax stuff in a second. | ||
Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
On November 24 2020 20:49 Jockmcplop wrote: I saw you throw shade at FF a little yesterday. Why you after him? One of his first posts is asking why someone threw shade when all they did was say they'd shoot me On November 24 2020 21:53 Jockmcplop wrote: So when hap says he doesn't like to give reads early that should raise a huge red flag for you. Shade at hapa that honestly jumped out at me more last night than it does now but I don't believe he followed up on this line of thought On November 25 2020 23:41 Jockmcplop wrote: I disagree that townreads aren't important right now. They pretty much narrow down the pool of who can be mayor. Clearly shockeyy has no people townreading him so he won't be mayor. Out of the people claiming they want to be mayor, only slam and ticktock have said what they will do if elected. That's a problem. Out of those two I would probably prefer slam because at least he's been here enough that i'm confident he knows exactly what is happening. I'm unvoting grack because I don't feel like he has continued to engage with the mayor thing at all really like he never really wanted to be mayor in the first place. Trfel seems like an odd choice to me. He hasn't said he wanted to be mayor and has given no indication of what he would do if he was mayor. I can't vote for him anyway. Going into the details of who he'd like to be mayor and saying his best candidate is slam just because slam "knows what's happening" which when trying to make the mayorship into your sole purpose seems pretty lackluster. Then basically he posts who the mayor preferences are, says rayn is a good pick then disappears well before deadline. Truly not the most solid ground to stand this scumread on but until I get back to my computer it's what I have | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
I suppose technically I could use my pardoner ability to hold town hostage and get the lynch I want but I'll stop tempting myself That's never getting used. Even if I am lynched. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
I guess I don't really see how that's a solved game, given that we have only two lynches? Seems like there's definitely still some work to be done here, unless I'm missing something. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
If anyone wants to talk, let me know. I'm bored | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On November 26 2020 04:24 Tictock wrote: Does this feel weird to anyone else? Tictock was scumreading Fecalfeast and townreading Grackaroni. On one hand, I could see Tictock trying to word his argument in a way that's persuasive to me, but on the other hand, shouldn't he be restating his reasons to scumread Fecalfeast and townread Grackaroni?If you do get elected plz kill FF over Grack. FF is unlikely to suddenly start playing more, Grack is probably readable after enough time On November 26 2020 04:49 Tictock wrote: And this, which Tictock threw in 11 minutes to end of day. If he didn't want Grackaroni to die (by the way, he just said a few posts previously that he was okay with Grackaroni dying), shouldn't he prefer killing Fecalfeast to ShoCkeyy? Given that he actually has reasons to suspect Fecalfeast and ShoCkeyy is just a lurker?Resub FF/Sho? | ||
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ShoCkeyy
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ShoCkeyy
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Trfel
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ShoCkeyy
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
I am interested in the Jock stuff as he is the person I most forget is in this game (actually he might be tied with Sho). Mildly worried about the potential of mafia playing well and us slackers are in fact town but that is just a bit of fear and paranoia. Part of this is from the shot on Slam, but I think for now I will just assume he was a blue snipe | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On November 27 2020 09:11 ShoCkeyy wrote: I’m definitely lurking, but posting when possible. The slam kill imo probably happened because they were trying to give him some free time back for his newborn as well :D so my thought is Mafia is someone who understands what he’s going through. As the only other new father in the thread, doesn't this implicate you? Or Greymist I suppose. | ||
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
On November 27 2020 10:42 Hapahauli wrote: As the only other new father in the thread, doesn't this implicate you? Or Greymist I suppose. I think it means I’ll be the next target on N2. | ||
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
However the same could be said of multiple people. I don't really see mafia switching a vote last min or calling to make Grack Pardoner so the role dies either, but that's kinda wifom. Lastly, I think a Vivax/Jock team is unlikely given some of vivax's posts on Jock. | ||
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
On November 27 2020 08:55 Trfel wrote: Does this feel weird to anyone else? Tictock was scumreading Fecalfeast and townreading Grackaroni. On one hand, I could see Tictock trying to word his argument in a way that's persuasive to me, but on the other hand, shouldn't he be restating his reasons to scumread Fecalfeast and townread Grackaroni? And this, which Tictock threw in 11 minutes to end of day. If he didn't want Grackaroni to die (by the way, he just said a few posts previously that he was okay with Grackaroni dying), shouldn't he prefer killing Fecalfeast to ShoCkeyy? Given that he actually has reasons to suspect Fecalfeast and ShoCkeyy is just a lurker? Both of these basically come down to me trying to motivate a kill I was comfortable with in a situation where it was ultimately out of my control. I find myself thinking FF might be town here as well, not really sure when that started. | ||
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
That...seems reasonable actually. Glanced through Sho's filter and dont get much from it. It seems like he might just be following thread sentiment with his reads but I am not really able to go check right now. | ||
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
On November 27 2020 07:00 Hapahauli wrote: The point is that in addition to having this attitude of "lets lynch any one of these people", he also takes opposition to town's attempt to consolidate on the Grack lynch. It is the combination of these two things that is anti-town, because he shits on Town's one effort to consolidate while providing no alternative. It's purely criticism as opposed to anything constructive. This bit reads as a bit disengenuis. Vivax's post was trying to tell Rayn (who was not his pick as Mayor) who he wanted to see flip. | ||
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