[M][T] Aperture Mafia 4, Episode 2

On October 26 2020 06:15 Alakaslam wrote:
Dammit grey coming back in here when I have limited time

/in

CANNOT PASS THIS UP PPL. You cannot!


Dittos, mayhap it was a great celebration with masks of Terminia rather than masks of electrified plastic webbing.






Thou fools, do not let this opportunity pass you by. Even Blazinghand is not safe from my ire regarding this!

On October 29 2020 00:19 Hapahauli wrote:
Slightly town.

I did like his thoughts about the game mechanic. However, him thinking critically about the game mechanic can mean any number of things:
1) Pro-town contribution from a player who is thinking about how to get information for the town;
2) A third-party who's win-condition is somehow tied to usage of the TL Mafia Database;
3) A mafia member who has enough extra information about the Database to know that his idea is either pro-mafia or ultimately harmless to mafia's objectives.

I lean towards #1, because the information deficit of town is a disadvantage to town in the theme games I have played.

On October 29 2020 00:39 Acrofales wrote:

I hate survivor claims. But yeah, feel free to afk all game. Zzzzz.

On October 29 2020 00:42 iamperfection wrote:

What no we force him to win with town I will make him

On October 29 2020 01:23 Hapahauli wrote:
What do you think I am lying about Rayn?

On October 29 2020 03:49 Hapahauli wrote:
Yeah yeah whatever. I know you’re town and that’s all I care about for now. Have fun screaming at a wall.

On October 29 2020 03:42 Hapahauli wrote:


To elaborate, he did the thing where mafia feels super uncomfortable to get into a discussion about a very chaotic topic (my claim), and instead of getting involved, addressed it in a super round-about way.

On October 29 2020 03:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Who is mafia then?

On October 29 2020 03:57 Hapahauli wrote:


The way he addressed my claim makes him town. That is how Town-Rayn acts when he is confronted when an "experienced player" does something that doesn't make sense to him.



Absolutely not.

This post:



and this post:



Are not congruent.

On October 29 2020 00:42 iamperfection wrote:

What no we force him to win with town I will make him

On October 29 2020 04:45 Hapahauli wrote:
Rayn, when you disagree with someone, you tend to do so in a tone that comes across as extremely aggressive and personal.

I don't think you intend it, but that's my experience... both in the last game we played and this one.

You can take it for what it is worth.

On October 29 2020 04:51 Hapahauli wrote:
Third parties have feelings bro.

Although you can think of me more as a bastard child of a townie with a 3rd party prostitute.

On October 29 2020 04:57 Hapahauli wrote:


What implies that I have a traitor mechanic? I read your post, but I don't get it.

On October 29 2020 05:04 Hapahauli wrote:


I mean... if I was mafia (or mafia aligned), I'd never answer that question honestly, but yes, I cannot win with mafia. My 2nd win condition is factionally independent.

In all seriousness, how does it make any sense for me to openly admit or imply that I have a 2nd mafia-favored win-con?

On October 29 2020 05:12 Hapahauli wrote:
I don't understand you both.

You spend all this time talking about the importance of making scumreads, and then you talk about incredibly speculative setup stuff. Why?

On October 29 2020 05:23 Hapahauli wrote:
I am talking. What do you want?

But frankly, I am not going to engage in this for long if this is just a "Hapa is mafia" echo chamber. I am not diplomatic enough today to deal with that.

On October 29 2020 05:23 Hapahauli wrote:
I am talking. What do you want?

But frankly, I am not going to engage in this for long if this is just a "Hapa is mafia" echo chamber. I am not diplomatic enough today to deal with that.

On October 29 2020 05:17 Hapahauli wrote:


Being mad at people and calling the mafia are not scumreads.

On October 29 2020 05:46 Hapahauli wrote:


It is because you give the impression that you have extremely unrealistic expectations of my play, and that nothing I say or do can convince you that I am not mafia.

On October 28 2020 23:57 Acrofales wrote:
Slam, what gives you any indication scum hasn't posted? That means you have town reads on dirk, rayn, lamp and myself from like... 2 pages. I don't buy it.

On October 29 2020 03:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Who is mafia then?

On October 29 2020 06:25 Hapahauli wrote:




In these two posts, Slam establishes a preference for "scum hunting" rather than talking about the setup. This should mean that his posts should be geared to finding mafia, and his attitude should generally be positive towards any discussion geared toward finding mafia.

The problem is that his subsequent post is the opposite:



This post is completely mentally incongruent with his previous attitude. It is basically designed to shut down and brush off substantive discussion, particularly the "duh" portion of the post.

In his first post, he talks about scum hunting.
In his next post, he is explicit that his scum-read on me should be so obvious that is not even worth discussion.

That does not sound town to me.

On October 29 2020 06:28 ShoCkeyy wrote:


Just trust me yo. If you're town, you'll trust me. If I'm mafia then Acro's post here becomes more relevant.

On October 29 2020 16:32 Dirkzor wrote:
##Commence Space-Time Destabilization

I'm claiming named town. I'm Neil deGrasse Tyson.

I've been thinking about this for a while now. I wasnt sure how to play this out or what do to. But i figured the best way to do it was to be open about it so that town can benefit the most from the information i am about to give.

I have a 1 shot ability (##Commence Space-Time Destabilization) that in 5 phases town will give a great benefit to town. Some kind of hint/info will be sent to me. I don't know what it is though. The downside is that the corruption level will increase by 1. (the flavor is that i spend a lot of database capacity to study "Event Horizon Level" and spent 5 phases doing that and will then have found the answer)

Further more I will show up as "3rd party" or "not town" if someone check my alignment. (i wasn't sure if this was town to write this. But my thought was that i'd rather be upfront and let you make your own conclusion instead of being checked N1 and then fight the uphill battle with the rest of the town and let mafia ride it out)

I also have a somewhat useful night action (for town) that i won't disclose for now.

I thought about what this will mean going further:

This will put a target on my back. I'm hoping i can be protected. And if not it will help other townies to come to their own conclusion.

This might be disruptive on the short term, but i hope the long term gain out weight this.

I wanted to do this as early as possible so to get the info as soon as possible. And figuring we dont vote on this day i thought it would be better to do it now rather than later.
I don't know what the corruption increase will do, but i'm willing to take that risk. I hope you do too. I didn't want to ask about this since it would be a whole lot of discussion where no-one knew anything anyway, and if we ended agreeing that i shouldn't do it, people would wonder if i actually could or not.

Anyway. Thats my claim. The timer should show up in thread so you can see my ability is real.

I'm in meeting the next 7 hours, but will do the multitask thingy =)

On October 29 2020 06:28 ShoCkeyy wrote:


Just trust me yo. If you're town, you'll trust me. If I'm mafia then Acro's post here becomes more relevant.

On October 29 2020 03:42 Hapahauli wrote:


To elaborate, he did the thing where mafia feels super uncomfortable to get into a discussion about a very chaotic topic (my claim), and instead of getting involved, addressed it in a super round-about way.

On October 29 2020 03:44 Hapahauli wrote:
Rayn and Iamp get A's.

Acro gets a B.

Grack gets a C+.

Shockey gets an Incomplete.

On October 30 2020 22:19 Hapahauli wrote:
I did not visit the database, since there did not appear to be a clear consensus about what I should do. I elected for another night action that is objectively pro-town. I was roleblocked anyway, making it a moot issue.

My lynch preferences are Grack and Acro. The secret ballot makes this frustrating, but if we simply make our vote-intentions transparent in thread, if someone else gets lynched, we will likely be able to deduce who lied about their vote.

On December 11 2012 07:13 Coagulation wrote:
I kinda want to join but I hate games that have mindfucking mechanics.

On October 29 2020 03:29 Hapahauli wrote:
Therrre we go, Slam failed the test.

On October 31 2020 03:18 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Shockeyy

1) Did you visit the TL Mafia Database last night?
2) Please describe the "trap" that you set for Acro.

@ Acro

1) Your posting suggests that your town read on Grack is strong enough that you wouldn't consider lynching him today. This appears to be based on the "speed" by which he volunteered to go to the Database. Is this true?
2) Today, you state that Onegu is a "blank void". Yesterday, you stated to the effect that I should shoot him because he's a scummy void. What changed your mind?

On October 30 2020 22:25 Hapahauli wrote:


I was notified that I was roleblocked in my Night 0 PM from the host.

I was also notified that I was selected as a "planeteer".

On October 31 2020 03:51 Hapahauli wrote:
Lynching me would be part of town's win-con, so you'd have to do it, and today is as good of a day as any other.

On November 02 2020 05:44 Hapahauli wrote:


This? I do not consider these "dumb town" tells as reliable as you. Especially in a game with crazy mechanics. Wording of the OP aside, I do not know if there are any hidden mechanics that may have prevented mafia from shooting on N0.

On November 02 2020 05:53 Hapahauli wrote:


1) What are you talking about?
2) Why would I want to get involved in an argument between two people who I think are town and are not in danger of being lynched?

On November 02 2020 23:12 iamperfection wrote:
oh if anyone wants to claim an action on yamato i suggest you do that now too.

On November 03 2020 00:42 Hapahauli wrote:
The player that looks the worst from Day 1 is Grack IMO.

As I stated before, he poked and prodded all of Day 1 and didn't make any commitments on Acro until SUPER LATE in the day, when it was pretty clear that everyone wanted Acro dead.

On October 30 2020 17:04 Koshi wrote:

100% mafia read and I would vote Acro just based on that.

On October 30 2020 17:04 Koshi wrote:

100% mafia read and I would vote Acro just based on that.

On October 30 2020 17:29 Koshi wrote:
We lynch Acro & rayn. Good stuff.

On October 30 2020 18:13 Koshi wrote:

100% mafia move to enter the game. Call a read from another player convincing. During night. More than 50 hours before deadline.

Ok then Acrofoles!

Let's make a deal. If you night action doesn't prove 100% that you are town. I will lynch you!

w00t

On October 30 2020 19:17 Koshi wrote:
See? Those are 4 posts made as 1 post.

I think that is better.

I will do that for a while.

I am not motivated to find mafia because I failed last time.

I want to just sit in this game till the right answer hits me instead of me trying to hit the right answer.

I am going to vote based on thread sentiment, where I give people I enjoy more thread sentiment power.

Other than that. hmmm.

I think if we forced everybody to visit the thingie, it wouldnt be so bad. But no time now.

Dirkzor is 3p thingie detonator or something. I don't think he is mafia.

rayn is a great guy but spams too much and I wouldn't mind him out of the game. Like what did he do? Not enough structure atm. I don't know what he wants etc.

iamp made me laugh so he is cool.

Other than that... Nothing pops out really. Acro/TT are 2 people I am wary of. TT I don't know why but his name is in my head. Maybe he is tip top town if I would reread. But I wont.

Shockey. Not sure. Bit weird. Not really playing the game but he making sure people know he is in the game. So not hiding.

On October 30 2020 19:27 Koshi wrote:

I hope I am in your minithread.

I had that role as mafia and did practically the same as you did. Boast about how pro town it was the entire time.

Well. I boasted about it for days. You only a little. But I am more dramatic than you are so it's ok.

Now I hope what I said is true but I think it is.

I was really good that game. Think I won an award for it.

On November 03 2020 04:01 Hapahauli wrote:
Did we ever resolve from Night 0 why the corruption counter went up?

On November 03 2020 04:01 Hapahauli wrote:
Did we ever resolve from Night 0 why the corruption counter went up?

On October 30 2020 03:38 Hapahauli wrote:
I know why I would want Onegu shot. Why do you?

On November 03 2020 05:37 Hapahauli wrote:
That all aside, and mathematically speaking, it is optimal to lynch into "Thread B", since (assuming a standard 3p mafia team) there are 1-2 mafia present in that thread, vs. 0-1 in "Thread A". Therefore, we should look to killing Slam/Koshi before addressing Grack.

However, I do not believe Grack is clear.

On November 02 2020 21:47 Hapahauli wrote:
I shot TT.

On November 02 2020 18:54 Tictock wrote:
I checked Dirk, and it seems corruption is good for scum as the next level boosts their KP.

Assuming somebody is already assigned to checking tonight so I will not visit again.

On November 03 2020 06:17 Hapahauli wrote:


I was going to shoot TT or Onegu that night. What made me decide on TT was the following:
1) Acro goading me into trying to shoot Onegu didn't sit right with me.
2) Onegu's behavior had been, pretty attention seeking in the early game. Yes he was lurking, but he was not contributing and getting in people's faces about it.
3) I wanted to essentially "un-do" the no-lynch in Thread B so we would have some information to work with from the votes.

So I submitted my night action and was asleep while TT did his posting last night. I woke up and he was dead.

In retrospect, I regret not waiting until N2 to take the shot, since it was rash to do so when I didn't yet know Acro's alignment.

On November 03 2020 06:23 Hapahauli wrote:
Also FWIW, I intend to essentially claim my role at the end of N2, including what my 3p win condition is. At this point, I believe I can satisfy my condition while simultaneously being pro-town.

On November 03 2020 06:26 iamperfection wrote:

so according to you. You haven't visited anyone besides ticktcok because you were roleblocked correct?
Just for the record.

On November 04 2020 05:04 Hapahauli wrote:
Among the mayoral candidates, do you have any town reads?

Or do you have any town reads in general for that matter?

On October 31 2020 10:43 Grackaroni wrote:
The other thread hasn't realized yet that there was no KP to begin with.

Someone said the next corruption level increases mafia team's KP. I doubt they're going from 1 to 2 in a 12 person game where there's already a double lynch.

On November 03 2020 06:23 Hapahauli wrote:
Also FWIW, I intend to essentially claim my role at the end of N2, including what my 3p win condition is. At this point, I believe I can satisfy my condition while simultaneously being pro-town.

On November 04 2020 22:03 Hapahauli wrote:
Why does mafia-Slam claim that he fucked up his vote in Thread B? Doesn’t that go completely against any sane mafia-use of the secret ballots?

Welcome to Aperture Mafia 4, Episode 2! You are the Aperture Science Blind Testing Initiative. You are a new testing chamber which basically just makes it hard to see anything. Once per game, at any time, you may PM the host to turn off the lights. For the next cycle, all flips will be revealed one phase later than normal. For example, if this power is used during night 1, any players killed that night will be flipped at the end of Day 2, and any players lynched that day will be flipped at the end of Night 2.

In addition, once per game, when you have a majority of players voting for you, you may PM the host to Activate the Chamber. Once you have done this, it will be announced in the thread that the Aperture Science Blind Testing Initiative has commenced.

If you survive the day you activate this power, you may elect to immediatley kill a player who was voting for you when you activated the chamber. Your kill flavor is "_____Succumbed to the Aperture Science Compression Simulator." After using this ability, you return red to all checks.

You win with the members of Aperture Science.

"They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch. No hand holding."

---

It is now Night 2. Please send in your night actions to both me and Artanis. The Night will end in on Thursday, Nov 05 12:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)

On November 02 2020 07:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Anyhow 5hrs to work.

I think Koshi started as a lion (that i would expect him to) and devolved to a house cat *meow*. He needs to step up. I still think TT is mafia. Be wary of Koshi. yamato has fallen off earth. Slam is prolly town. Onegu who knows. haha.. i dont even know anything tbh. dont kill iamp or shockeyy.

On November 05 2020 04:45 Hapahauli wrote:
That all said, I think that the "thread B confirmed town" theory is out of the window.

That also said, I think TT's filter makes Slam and Koshi look good. TT returns after Acro is dead, knows Acro will flip mafia, and immediately throws shade on Slam and Koshi:




... it does not seem likely for TT to respond to Acro's lynch (and knowing that he would flip red) by immediately throwing shade on another scumbuddy.

On November 05 2020 05:07 Hapahauli wrote:


Consider this: if TT had survived the night and Acro flipped red, how do you think TT would have looked? Because he hard bussed Acro all of Day/Night 0. I don't think this was done unintentionally.

On November 05 2020 23:49 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Rayn

So you used your role as uselessly as possible?

@ Slam

As Rayn identified, there is a basic math problem with your claim. If your role "doesn't count" for the purposes of a TL Mafia Database visit, how did the corruption counter go up last night?

Also, what is your 2nd ability, now that the corruption counter has gone up?

On November 06 2020 00:50 iamperfection wrote:

you just want to be right about everything

On November 07 2020 05:37 Hapahauli wrote:
Gee gee.

Thanks for hosting Grey!

Yamato's role was a work of art. That alone made the game worth playing.

Mixed feelings about my own play. I definitely lost the thread toward the end, and I'm pretty happy that Rayn made the database play that he did. Themed games are not my strongsuit.

On November 07 2020 05:57 Hapahauli wrote:


The intent behind me quoting that post was that I felt your post was being ignored, and I wanted to make sure it wasn't.

I think the "plausible mafia" thing was also lost in translation. I didn't consider you as confirmed town as some other folks, but I still did consider you "unlikely mafia". Not the best word choice.