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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
November 04 2020 14:49 GMT
#2041
On November 04 2020 23:44 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2020 23:30 iamperfection wrote:
On November 04 2020 23:28 Alakaslam wrote:
On November 04 2020 23:23 Koshi wrote:
On November 04 2020 23:19 Alakaslam wrote:
On November 04 2020 16:33 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On November 04 2020 15:37 Alakaslam wrote:
Each night I can “sap power” from another player. Any attempts to redirect actions targeting that player will fail as 1.1 volts is only enough power for sarcasm core functions.

But at 3 and 5 corruption, I can sap more power from the database and gain further abilities.


Did you “sap” me last night?

No. I stopped using it. And I had said that earlier my good man.

I think you should go to the thing and either look into rayn or Grack.
Probably just Grack.

Yeah by the way people I am now going no matter what.

I don’t affect the counter.

The question should be who else goes now. I am like nobody going because low voltage.

I think that changes with corruption?

are you saying you don't count as going that's pretty convenient if your scum.

Is it though? From what we have seen I think they want corruption to increase.

Or at this point, he wants it to increase

yes but now you have an "excuse" for the corruption counter going up if you just go and kill someone instead.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
November 04 2020 14:58 GMT
#2042
also i can reveal now there is some other mechanic going on called pollution. Its possible this is a red herring from greymist but i thought i should share about it in case i die. It could have something to do with hapa.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 04 2020 15:02 GMT
#2043
So 3p!Hapa could be evul and mafia rayn knows it?
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 04 2020 15:03 GMT
#2044
I suggest they shoot each other tonight.
I had a good night of sleep.
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 04 2020 15:15 GMT
#2045
On November 04 2020 23:49 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2020 23:44 Alakaslam wrote:
On November 04 2020 23:30 iamperfection wrote:
On November 04 2020 23:28 Alakaslam wrote:
On November 04 2020 23:23 Koshi wrote:
On November 04 2020 23:19 Alakaslam wrote:
On November 04 2020 16:33 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On November 04 2020 15:37 Alakaslam wrote:
Each night I can “sap power” from another player. Any attempts to redirect actions targeting that player will fail as 1.1 volts is only enough power for sarcasm core functions.

But at 3 and 5 corruption, I can sap more power from the database and gain further abilities.


Did you “sap” me last night?

No. I stopped using it. And I had said that earlier my good man.

I think you should go to the thing and either look into rayn or Grack.
Probably just Grack.

Yeah by the way people I am now going no matter what.

I don’t affect the counter.

The question should be who else goes now. I am like nobody going because low voltage.

I think that changes with corruption?

are you saying you don't count as going that's pretty convenient if your scum.

Is it though? From what we have seen I think they want corruption to increase.

Or at this point, he wants it to increase

yes but now you have an "excuse" for the corruption counter going up if you just go and kill someone instead.

Oh.

Dammit you are right. Greymist is brilliant, once again.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
November 04 2020 15:16 GMT
#2046
There's no reason why Rayn would be mafia though. He helped get rid of TTTTT. We already know Hapa is 3rd party because he called his alternate win condition his 3rd party win-con. Maybe he can win with town as well maybe not.

If it's not Slam then it's going to be Dirkzor. I know I'm not mafia. Dirkzor poked around a few places for the day1 lynch and probably moved his vote to Acro because the townies in the other thread were all pushing for lynching him. There was no indication that Onegu/I were going to come in and vote on Hapa, and I think he had every reason to believe the lynch could still move around with time to somebody else.

Slam/I need to be cleared out anyway and it seems like town has a big enough lead at the moment to do that.
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 04 2020 15:20 GMT
#2047
I’m looming at all these roles as they come out. I was not super enthused about my role but, more and more I see it as a balancer similar to a self aware miller, but only tangentially so afaik. It doesn’t mention how I appear to checks and I would think that it would mention that.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
November 04 2020 15:21 GMT
#2048
I have a role very similar to ShoCkkey but if I say exactly how it works it defeats the purpose.

If Dirkzor's role is legit there should be someone with an investigatory role in the game other than Dirkzor since Dirkzor returns non-town/3rd party to checks. Otherwise it would defeat the purpose of making the in thread corruption raising dude a miller.
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 04 2020 15:22 GMT
#2049
Yet if corruption was used really well by mafia, I get benefit to compensate. It’s so good
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 04 2020 15:40 GMT
#2050
On November 05 2020 00:16 Grackaroni wrote:
There's no reason why Rayn would be mafia though. He helped get rid of TTTTT. We already know Hapa is 3rd party because he called his alternate win condition his 3rd party win-con. Maybe he can win with town as well maybe not.

If it's not Slam then it's going to be Dirkzor. I know I'm not mafia. Dirkzor poked around a few places for the day1 lynch and probably moved his vote to Acro because the townies in the other thread were all pushing for lynching him. There was no indication that Onegu/I were going to come in and vote on Hapa, and I think he had every reason to believe the lynch could still move around with time to somebody else.

Slam/I need to be cleared out anyway and it seems like town has a big enough lead at the moment to do that.

What about yamato. 2 friends rip and he talks carrot. Coincidence?
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 04 2020 15:40 GMT
#2051
Dirk is town and will prove it with his power
I had a good night of sleep.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
November 04 2020 15:41 GMT
#2052
Just in a game design sense, I cannot see a mafia-aligned role that has a handicap that does not allow him to speak coherently in thread.

Also, Yamato has definitely been reading the thread carefully all game and not using his "transformation" as a handicap to his effort at all.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
November 04 2020 15:45 GMT
#2053
On November 03 2020 06:23 Hapahauli wrote:
Also FWIW, I intend to essentially claim my role at the end of N2, including what my 3p win condition is. At this point, I believe I can satisfy my condition while simultaneously being pro-town.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
November 04 2020 15:49 GMT
#2054
Re: Slam

On November 04 2020 22:03 Hapahauli wrote:
Why does mafia-Slam claim that he fucked up his vote in Thread B? Doesn’t that go completely against any sane mafia-use of the secret ballots?


I really cannot see Slam mafia based on TT role PM.

Welcome to Aperture Mafia 4, Episode 2! You are the Aperture Science Blind Testing Initiative. You are a new testing chamber which basically just makes it hard to see anything. Once per game, at any time, you may PM the host to turn off the lights. For the next cycle, all flips will be revealed one phase later than normal. For example, if this power is used during night 1, any players killed that night will be flipped at the end of Day 2, and any players lynched that day will be flipped at the end of Night 2.

In addition, once per game, when you have a majority of players voting for you, you may PM the host to Activate the Chamber. Once you have done this, it will be announced in the thread that the Aperture Science Blind Testing Initiative has commenced.

If you survive the day you activate this power, you may elect to immediatley kill a player who was voting for you when you activated the chamber. Your kill flavor is "_____Succumbed to the Aperture Science Compression Simulator." After using this ability, you return red to all checks.

You win with the members of Aperture Science.

"They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch. No hand holding."





It is now Night 2. Please send in your night actions to both me and Artanis. The Night will end in on Thursday, Nov 05 12:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
[/spoiler]

This role is so damn powerful when used in conjunction with Acro's ability and Slam's cooperation. Picture this scenario:
- Two townies vote TT by secret ballot.
- Slam and TT vote TT, securing TT a "secret" majority.
- TT activates his ability.
- Slam and TT remove their votes "secretly" from TT.
- At the end of the Day, TT isn't lynched. A townie voting TT dies with a delayed flip. Chaos ensues.

It wouldn't even require that much coordination for that to occur.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
November 04 2020 15:50 GMT
#2055
On November 05 2020 00:45 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2020 06:23 Hapahauli wrote:
Also FWIW, I intend to essentially claim my role at the end of N2, including what my 3p win condition is. At this point, I believe I can satisfy my condition while simultaneously being pro-town.



Yes. At the end of N2.

And Christ, how many mafia do I need to kill before I stop being harassed by townies?
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
November 04 2020 15:51 GMT
#2056
On November 05 2020 00:49 Hapahauli wrote:
Re: Slam

Show nested quote +
On November 04 2020 22:03 Hapahauli wrote:
Why does mafia-Slam claim that he fucked up his vote in Thread B? Doesn’t that go completely against any sane mafia-use of the secret ballots?


I really cannot see Slam mafia based on TT role PM.

Show nested quote +
Welcome to Aperture Mafia 4, Episode 2! You are the Aperture Science Blind Testing Initiative. You are a new testing chamber which basically just makes it hard to see anything. Once per game, at any time, you may PM the host to turn off the lights. For the next cycle, all flips will be revealed one phase later than normal. For example, if this power is used during night 1, any players killed that night will be flipped at the end of Day 2, and any players lynched that day will be flipped at the end of Night 2.

In addition, once per game, when you have a majority of players voting for you, you may PM the host to Activate the Chamber. Once you have done this, it will be announced in the thread that the Aperture Science Blind Testing Initiative has commenced.

If you survive the day you activate this power, you may elect to immediatley kill a player who was voting for you when you activated the chamber. Your kill flavor is "_____Succumbed to the Aperture Science Compression Simulator." After using this ability, you return red to all checks.

You win with the members of Aperture Science.

"They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch. No hand holding."





It is now Night 2. Please send in your night actions to both me and Artanis. The Night will end in on Thursday, Nov 05 12:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)


This role is so damn powerful when used in conjunction with Acro's ability and Slam's cooperation. Picture this scenario:
- Two townies vote TT by secret ballot.
- Slam and TT vote TT, securing TT a "secret" majority.
- TT activates his ability.
- Slam and TT remove their votes "secretly" from TT.
- At the end of the Day, TT isn't lynched. A townie voting TT dies with a delayed flip. Chaos ensues.

It wouldn't even require that much coordination for that to occur.
[/spoiler]

By this logic, it makes me think that Thread B is pretty much all confirmed town.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
November 04 2020 15:56 GMT
#2057
On November 05 2020 00:50 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2020 00:45 iamperfection wrote:
On November 03 2020 06:23 Hapahauli wrote:
Also FWIW, I intend to essentially claim my role at the end of N2, including what my 3p win condition is. At this point, I believe I can satisfy my condition while simultaneously being pro-town.



Yes. At the end of N2.

And Christ, how many mafia do I need to kill before I stop being harassed by townies?

why does it have to be end why does that matter.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
November 04 2020 15:57 GMT
#2058
Actually, that kinda depends on how we interpret the mechanics, and whether or not a "majority" in one "thread" constitutes a "majority" for the purposes of activating TT's role. Need to ask Greymist.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 04 2020 15:57 GMT
#2059
On November 05 2020 00:50 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2020 00:45 iamperfection wrote:
On November 03 2020 06:23 Hapahauli wrote:
Also FWIW, I intend to essentially claim my role at the end of N2, including what my 3p win condition is. At this point, I believe I can satisfy my condition while simultaneously being pro-town.



Yes. At the end of N2.

And Christ, how many mafia do I need to kill before I stop being harassed by townies?

So much this.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
November 04 2020 15:59 GMT
#2060
Slam, I understand that you targeted me on N1.

Who did you target on N2?
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
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