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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
November 04 2020 20:07 GMT
#2081
On November 05 2020 05:05 Dirkzor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2020 04:45 Hapahauli wrote:
That all said, I think that the "thread B confirmed town" theory is out of the window.

That also said, I think TT's filter makes Slam and Koshi look good. TT returns after Acro is dead, knows Acro will flip mafia, and immediately throws shade on Slam and Koshi:

On November 02 2020 19:48 Tictock wrote:
On November 02 2020 07:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Anyhow 5hrs to work.

I think Koshi started as a lion (that i would expect him to) and devolved to a house cat *meow*. He needs to step up. I still think TT is mafia. Be wary of Koshi. yamato has fallen off earth. Slam is prolly town. Onegu who knows. haha.. i dont even know anything tbh. dont kill iamp or shockeyy.


From what I have read I kinda agree with rayn here regarding koshi.

His first string of posts are what I remember enjoying about Koshi, but his posting this phase feels tame.

I did note he mentioned he something about not having that burning passion, and for all our sakes I hope he finds it again.

On November 02 2020 19:56 Tictock wrote:
Not even finishing this phase tonight, I tried

Slam seeming awkward at start of phase is all that really jumps out to me, and not like he is having fun being awkward.


... it does not seem likely for TT to respond to Acro's lynch (and knowing that he would flip red) by immediately throwing shade on another scumbuddy.


I see this going either way. TT knew he was close to being lynched. So assuming he was the next lynch or maybe even vig (as happened) he wanted to throw the last bit of bus on his last mate.

But your theory is equally valid. So i wouldnt put much stock in it.


Consider this: if TT had survived the night and Acro flipped red, how do you think TT would have looked? Because he hard bussed Acro all of Day/Night 0. I don't think this was done unintentionally.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
November 04 2020 20:14 GMT
#2082
On November 05 2020 05:07 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2020 05:05 Dirkzor wrote:
On November 05 2020 04:45 Hapahauli wrote:
That all said, I think that the "thread B confirmed town" theory is out of the window.

That also said, I think TT's filter makes Slam and Koshi look good. TT returns after Acro is dead, knows Acro will flip mafia, and immediately throws shade on Slam and Koshi:

On November 02 2020 19:48 Tictock wrote:
On November 02 2020 07:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Anyhow 5hrs to work.

I think Koshi started as a lion (that i would expect him to) and devolved to a house cat *meow*. He needs to step up. I still think TT is mafia. Be wary of Koshi. yamato has fallen off earth. Slam is prolly town. Onegu who knows. haha.. i dont even know anything tbh. dont kill iamp or shockeyy.


From what I have read I kinda agree with rayn here regarding koshi.

His first string of posts are what I remember enjoying about Koshi, but his posting this phase feels tame.

I did note he mentioned he something about not having that burning passion, and for all our sakes I hope he finds it again.

On November 02 2020 19:56 Tictock wrote:
Not even finishing this phase tonight, I tried

Slam seeming awkward at start of phase is all that really jumps out to me, and not like he is having fun being awkward.


... it does not seem likely for TT to respond to Acro's lynch (and knowing that he would flip red) by immediately throwing shade on another scumbuddy.


I see this going either way. TT knew he was close to being lynched. So assuming he was the next lynch or maybe even vig (as happened) he wanted to throw the last bit of bus on his last mate.

But your theory is equally valid. So i wouldnt put much stock in it.


Consider this: if TT had survived the night and Acro flipped red, how do you think TT would have looked? Because he hard bussed Acro all of Day/Night 0. I don't think this was done unintentionally.

He would have looked exactly the same is what i think. I wouldn't have thought his 2½ remarks on acro as indicative of anything. I'm not really sure what you think would have happened so you're welcome to explain.

All im trying to say here is that I think you are overthinking parts of your analysis atm.
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
November 04 2020 20:17 GMT
#2083
I mean NOW after both have flipped they tell a story. But with only Acro flip... not so much. And at the point where TT wrote it, he assumed we would only have the Acro flip to work with.
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
November 04 2020 20:27 GMT
#2084
On November 05 2020 05:14 Dirkzor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2020 05:07 Hapahauli wrote:
On November 05 2020 05:05 Dirkzor wrote:
On November 05 2020 04:45 Hapahauli wrote:
That all said, I think that the "thread B confirmed town" theory is out of the window.

That also said, I think TT's filter makes Slam and Koshi look good. TT returns after Acro is dead, knows Acro will flip mafia, and immediately throws shade on Slam and Koshi:

On November 02 2020 19:48 Tictock wrote:
On November 02 2020 07:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Anyhow 5hrs to work.

I think Koshi started as a lion (that i would expect him to) and devolved to a house cat *meow*. He needs to step up. I still think TT is mafia. Be wary of Koshi. yamato has fallen off earth. Slam is prolly town. Onegu who knows. haha.. i dont even know anything tbh. dont kill iamp or shockeyy.


From what I have read I kinda agree with rayn here regarding koshi.

His first string of posts are what I remember enjoying about Koshi, but his posting this phase feels tame.

I did note he mentioned he something about not having that burning passion, and for all our sakes I hope he finds it again.

On November 02 2020 19:56 Tictock wrote:
Not even finishing this phase tonight, I tried

Slam seeming awkward at start of phase is all that really jumps out to me, and not like he is having fun being awkward.


... it does not seem likely for TT to respond to Acro's lynch (and knowing that he would flip red) by immediately throwing shade on another scumbuddy.


I see this going either way. TT knew he was close to being lynched. So assuming he was the next lynch or maybe even vig (as happened) he wanted to throw the last bit of bus on his last mate.

But your theory is equally valid. So i wouldnt put much stock in it.


Consider this: if TT had survived the night and Acro flipped red, how do you think TT would have looked? Because he hard bussed Acro all of Day/Night 0. I don't think this was done unintentionally.

He would have looked exactly the same is what i think. I wouldn't have thought his 2½ remarks on acro as indicative of anything. I'm not really sure what you think would have happened so you're welcome to explain.

All im trying to say here is that I think you are overthinking parts of your analysis atm.


Reading through TT's Day 0 / Night 0 filter is striking, because as admittedly inactive as he was, he was the first player to call Acro suspicious, and was consistent with it throughout the cycle.

When you think about the mafia roles this game:
1) Acro activated his ability on N0
2) TT seemingly activated his ability sometime on D1 (hence the noflips on D1/N1).

This all looks like a planned and coordinated play by mafia, that was probably blown up by TT afk'ing unexpectedly. I think part of that play was setting up for TT to bus Acro hard and claim cred.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
November 04 2020 20:32 GMT
#2085
I don't think it's "too speculative" to assume that Scum tried to coordinate early game. We know for a fact that Acro activated his role with the intent of TT activating his ability to delay flips.

And if that plan works, iamp gets shot, two townies get mislynched (and dont flip), and town is already in a world of hurt going into N1. A successful bus of Acro puts mafia in hell of a position.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 04 2020 20:39 GMT
#2086
I am banking on dirk to bring town the victory when you are gone hapa.
I had a good night of sleep.
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
November 04 2020 20:55 GMT
#2087
On November 05 2020 05:27 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2020 05:14 Dirkzor wrote:
On November 05 2020 05:07 Hapahauli wrote:
On November 05 2020 05:05 Dirkzor wrote:
On November 05 2020 04:45 Hapahauli wrote:
That all said, I think that the "thread B confirmed town" theory is out of the window.

That also said, I think TT's filter makes Slam and Koshi look good. TT returns after Acro is dead, knows Acro will flip mafia, and immediately throws shade on Slam and Koshi:

On November 02 2020 19:48 Tictock wrote:
On November 02 2020 07:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Anyhow 5hrs to work.

I think Koshi started as a lion (that i would expect him to) and devolved to a house cat *meow*. He needs to step up. I still think TT is mafia. Be wary of Koshi. yamato has fallen off earth. Slam is prolly town. Onegu who knows. haha.. i dont even know anything tbh. dont kill iamp or shockeyy.


From what I have read I kinda agree with rayn here regarding koshi.

His first string of posts are what I remember enjoying about Koshi, but his posting this phase feels tame.

I did note he mentioned he something about not having that burning passion, and for all our sakes I hope he finds it again.

On November 02 2020 19:56 Tictock wrote:
Not even finishing this phase tonight, I tried

Slam seeming awkward at start of phase is all that really jumps out to me, and not like he is having fun being awkward.


... it does not seem likely for TT to respond to Acro's lynch (and knowing that he would flip red) by immediately throwing shade on another scumbuddy.


I see this going either way. TT knew he was close to being lynched. So assuming he was the next lynch or maybe even vig (as happened) he wanted to throw the last bit of bus on his last mate.

But your theory is equally valid. So i wouldnt put much stock in it.


Consider this: if TT had survived the night and Acro flipped red, how do you think TT would have looked? Because he hard bussed Acro all of Day/Night 0. I don't think this was done unintentionally.

He would have looked exactly the same is what i think. I wouldn't have thought his 2½ remarks on acro as indicative of anything. I'm not really sure what you think would have happened so you're welcome to explain.

All im trying to say here is that I think you are overthinking parts of your analysis atm.


Reading through TT's Day 0 / Night 0 filter is striking, because as admittedly inactive as he was, he was the first player to call Acro suspicious, and was consistent with it throughout the cycle.

When you think about the mafia roles this game:
1) Acro activated his ability on N0
2) TT seemingly activated his ability sometime on D1 (hence the noflips on D1/N1).

This all looks like a planned and coordinated play by mafia, that was probably blown up by TT afk'ing unexpectedly. I think part of that play was setting up for TT to bus Acro hard and claim cred.

I'm not saying this might can't be the truth. It just seems to well planned for a mafia team with 1 guy mostly AFK (D0/n0 maybe because he was in scum QT tho). The few times i've been mafia, the plan never ever gets fully planned and people do stuff left and right. I just won't give credit to a team that have failed this badly up until this point to have made this well thought out plan (despite it failing)

But to be fair i havent really done my homework here with filterdiving and re-reading like i usually do. Been a long day for me ..
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9648 Posts
November 05 2020 00:52 GMT
#2088
hapa killed the game by catching all the mafia [image loading]
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9648 Posts
November 05 2020 01:48 GMT
#2089
so just slam and grack go to the database agreed ?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
November 05 2020 01:54 GMT
#2090
Why send both? Grack should go alone. Slam should do whatever.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9648 Posts
November 05 2020 02:09 GMT
#2091
On November 05 2020 10:54 Hapahauli wrote:
Why send both? Grack should go alone. Slam should do whatever.

well i dont think we ever figured out if you can go to database and kill
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9648 Posts
November 05 2020 02:09 GMT
#2092
and we may never know
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9857 Posts
November 05 2020 02:55 GMT
#2093
On November 05 2020 11:09 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2020 10:54 Hapahauli wrote:
Why send both? Grack should go alone. Slam should do whatever.

well i dont think we ever figured out if you can go to database and kill

dunno.

I'll let you know.
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9648 Posts
November 05 2020 02:57 GMT
#2094
we got him boys
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9857 Posts
November 05 2020 03:07 GMT
#2095
Nah I'm just messing with you.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 05 2020 05:52 GMT
#2096
On November 05 2020 00:40 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2020 00:16 Grackaroni wrote:
There's no reason why Rayn would be mafia though. He helped get rid of TTTTT. We already know Hapa is 3rd party because he called his alternate win condition his 3rd party win-con. Maybe he can win with town as well maybe not.

If it's not Slam then it's going to be Dirkzor. I know I'm not mafia. Dirkzor poked around a few places for the day1 lynch and probably moved his vote to Acro because the townies in the other thread were all pushing for lynching him. There was no indication that Onegu/I were going to come in and vote on Hapa, and I think he had every reason to believe the lynch could still move around with time to somebody else.

Slam/I need to be cleared out anyway and it seems like town has a big enough lead at the moment to do that.

What about yamato. 2 friends rip and he talks carrot. Coincidence?

yamato is confirmed town
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 05 2020 06:23 GMT
#2097
On November 05 2020 10:48 iamperfection wrote:
so just slam and grack go to the database agreed ?

Yes. Slam and Grack go.
table for two on a tv tray
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
November 05 2020 07:09 GMT
#2098
How many for corruption increase. Half majority is 3? 9/2 = 5, 5/2=3

Am i doing it right?

So we should send 1-2.

Yeah grack and slam is fine if my math is correct.
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 05 2020 07:12 GMT
#2099
On November 05 2020 16:09 Dirkzor wrote:
How many for corruption increase. Half majority is 3? 9/2 = 5, 5/2=3

Am i doing it right?

So we should send 1-2.

Yeah grack and slam is fine if my math is correct.

Plus remember, I don’t count. Maybe I forgot to state that? I’m trying to not directly quote my pm.

I don’t contribute to the database corruption in either direction. If I were solo, it would corrupt since technically no one visited.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
November 05 2020 07:47 GMT
#2100
Yeah i know. Thats why you two is fine. That way we will still somewhat know if grack went or not (or figure out if you are lying about your role. But if you are, you are lost likely scum and cant push it to 3 visits.)
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
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