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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 30 2020 14:00 GMT
#876
well if Sent doesn't want to play
##Unvote
##Vote [UoN]Sentinel
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 30 2020 14:02 GMT
#878
On March 30 2020 06:11 Trfel wrote:
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On March 30 2020 01:12 Rels wrote:
On March 28 2020 02:53 Trfel wrote:
On March 28 2020 02:50 Rels wrote:
Trfel I'm very sorry if you're town. Because I'm going to say another thing that I find scummy about you, and I don't want you to feel bad if you're town. I know I could be bias confirming ...

The way you're talking about your scumreads is so sure, when I thought you were a very doubtful person. So that's something that makes me think you're scum too.
Yeah, I used to be more like that, over the past few years things have changed. That's actually why rsoultin voted to kill me the past few games and I flipped town in both of them.

Furthermore, desperate times call for desperate measures. I've been scumread SO MUCH for uncertainty and waffling that I'm trying to adjust my play to include more certainty and stronger pushes.

Like to those plays? I don't see it in your last game. Even in your big case that game, you're still using a language that match what I would expect from you:
On July 05 2019 17:08 Trfel wrote:
raynpelikoneet
  • Easy townreads early on that don't make sense (Grackaroni, Conversion)
    + Show Spoiler [Analysis] +
    Yeah yeah, I know, I'm one to talk, with my Eversince read and all. If that's really an issue for you let me know and I can explain it, I like to think we're all past that now though.

    On Grackaroni:
    On July 02 2019 09:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
    Grack might be town.
    Raynpelikoneet's initial town lean on Grackaroni. And here is his explanation:
    On July 03 2019 23:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
    I had a townread on grack early on because i decided (after his last scumgame) to read him like i read yamato. Grackaroni is quite a low quantity poster. His post early on where he asks kind of a throwaway question on Trfel made me think there is some sort of thought process in his head. I gave him a slight townread for that.
    And here is the post in question:
    On July 02 2019 05:03 Grackaroni wrote:
    Eversince looks different but it's also 4 years old.

    I don't really trust her yet, but it seemed like Rayn had a really confident read on her in the last game, so I'd be interested to hear his take.
    To me this doesn't show thought process at all, raynpelikoneet's explanation really doesn't make sense here. Grackaroni stated two extremely obvious points, and it took minimal effort, and could easily be done by mafia. He didn't even draw any conclusions from this.

    Later, raynpelikoneet posts a further townread of Grackaroni:
    On July 03 2019 01:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
    well i think grack officially goes to town pool now.
    Raynpelikoneet's reasons for this:
    On July 03 2019 23:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
    When he came back and followed up his stuff he actually DID follow it up and it even made sense.
    Grackaroni's posts in question:
    On July 03 2019 00:04 Grackaroni wrote:
    I think that post is very strange when compared to how he viewed me last game. I don't see how he can be so bothered by someone being willing to lynch me.

    Show nested quote +
    On June 24 2019 04:55 Trfel wrote:
    @Shapelog, what are you cooking?

    Currently I think Grackaroni is the best shot at being mafia. He didn't interact at all with anyone and just vanished from the thread, and it doesn't really make sense for him to be scared of an innocent child... unless he's mafia. I know it's not very strong but it's the best I see, anyone have any similar or different ideas?
    On July 03 2019 00:08 Grackaroni wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On July 03 2019 00:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
    On July 03 2019 00:04 Grackaroni wrote:
    I think that post is very strange when compared to how he viewed me last game. I don't see how he can be so bothered by someone being willing to lynch me.

    On June 24 2019 04:55 Trfel wrote:
    @Shapelog, what are you cooking?

    Currently I think Grackaroni is the best shot at being mafia. He didn't interact at all with anyone and just vanished from the thread, and it doesn't really make sense for him to be scared of an innocent child... unless he's mafia. I know it's not very strong but it's the best I see, anyone have any similar or different ideas?

    can you expand on this?

    He found me suspicious in the last game for not interacting with thread and disappearing.

    In this game he is calling other people opportunistic for considering voting me.
    However, raynpelikoneet himself even posted reasons to doubt this reasoning:
    On July 03 2019 00:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On July 03 2019 00:08 Grackaroni wrote:
    On July 03 2019 00:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
    On July 03 2019 00:04 Grackaroni wrote:
    I think that post is very strange when compared to how he viewed me last game. I don't see how he can be so bothered by someone being willing to lynch me.

    On June 24 2019 04:55 Trfel wrote:
    @Shapelog, what are you cooking?

    Currently I think Grackaroni is the best shot at being mafia. He didn't interact at all with anyone and just vanished from the thread, and it doesn't really make sense for him to be scared of an innocent child... unless he's mafia. I know it's not very strong but it's the best I see, anyone have any similar or different ideas?

    can you expand on this?

    He found me suspicious in the last game for not interacting with thread and disappearing.

    In this game he is calling other people opportunistic for considering voting me.

    but last game you did that as town in his mind right?
    In addition to the fact that it's easily explained. Grackaroni didn't even draw any conclusios from this, he just called it "very strange." To be honest, I don't see a ton of thought process or follow-up from Grackaroni in these posts, which is how raynpelikoneet characterized them. And I don't think most other players did either. So where did raynpelikoneet's townread come from? It feels like too much information, in this case, truly knowing that Grackaroni is town and letting that affect his read.
    On Conversion:
    Raynpelikoneet's first post implying a townread of Conversion:
    On July 02 2019 09:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
    Hi conversion, seems like we share a lot of things and feelings. Are you me?
    Conversion's posts relevant to this:
    On July 02 2019 07:38 Conversion wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On July 02 2019 03:22 Trfel wrote:
    On July 02 2019 03:16 Eversince wrote:
    On July 02 2019 03:11 Trfel wrote:
    On July 02 2019 03:07 Trfel wrote:
    On July 02 2019 02:38 Pandain wrote:
    I'm mafia

    AMA
    Weren't you one of the people who got mad at me and scumread me for doing the same thing a few games ago?
    Never mind I'm confusing you with someone else. Carry on

    I think Eversince is town, discuss?


    Why do you think I'm town?
    Your posts feel so carefree and relaxed and comfortable, which is the complete opposite of your last game as mafia, which felt very rigid and forced. Plus, instead of relying on losing the wifi hotspot and the pre-game excuse, you seem to have redoubled your efforts to engage in the game and be involved. To me that makes a decent townread


    I don’t like this post. ick
    On July 02 2019 07:50 Conversion wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On July 02 2019 07:43 Trfel wrote:
    On July 02 2019 07:38 Conversion wrote:
    On July 02 2019 03:22 Trfel wrote:
    On July 02 2019 03:16 Eversince wrote:
    On July 02 2019 03:11 Trfel wrote:
    On July 02 2019 03:07 Trfel wrote:
    On July 02 2019 02:38 Pandain wrote:
    I'm mafia

    AMA
    Weren't you one of the people who got mad at me and scumread me for doing the same thing a few games ago?
    Never mind I'm confusing you with someone else. Carry on

    I think Eversince is town, discuss?


    Why do you think I'm town?
    Your posts feel so carefree and relaxed and comfortable, which is the complete opposite of your last game as mafia, which felt very rigid and forced. Plus, instead of relying on losing the wifi hotspot and the pre-game excuse, you seem to have redoubled your efforts to engage in the game and be involved. To me that makes a decent townread


    I don’t like this post. ick
    Care to say why?


    too feel good-y for my condensed ball of rage and hatred

    also 4 year old meta seems like a reach to have a swing towards a read in any direction that early instead of something to pocket and observe for late
    This is at least somewhat understandable, though really Conversion only shared one thought. Later, raynpelikoneet posts this:
    On July 02 2019 23:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
    Yeah conversion easily town this game.
    You can look here for the specific posts, it's a little long; but for a brief summary, Conversion's posts in question are pushing onto Eversince. Seems to be a townread simply for also scumreading Eversince. You can look at this exchange yourself, it starts on page 11, I just really feel (again) like this is a weak townread that doesn't have justification to back it up.

  • Raynpelikoneet didn't care about the Day 1 lynch, between his townread and his scumread
    + Show Spoiler [Analysis] +
    Honestly I think this is probably the strongest point I have. From raynpelikoneet's perspective, the lynch in the last eight minutes was his townread (Conversion) against his strong scumread (Eversince). Posts in the thread in the last eight minutes of Day 1, making it clear that shenanigans were incoming:
    On July 04 2019 04:24 Pandain wrote:
    I'm strongly for a Conv lynch (if Grack won't get lynched) just because I have town reads on everyone except Grack and him.

    Jock is way too active. Rayn is way too active. HF could be scum but seems townie.
    Trfel is playing like his town games. Eywa was really townie with his exhcnage with me.

    Who else wants to lynch Conv (or grack)
    On July 04 2019 04:26 Jockmcplop wrote:
    Pandain switch to conversion with me
    On July 04 2019 04:26 Pandain wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On July 04 2019 04:26 Jockmcplop wrote:
    Pandain switch to conversion with me


    I switched.

    Who else wants to join?
    On July 04 2019 04:27 Pandain wrote:
    If ES and Trfel switch ES is saved
    Grack vote conv
    So raynpelikoneet was present, and if he was at all reading, knew that shenanigans were coming and that Conversion being lynched was at least a possiblity. During these last eight minutes, here are raynpelikoneet's posts:
    On July 04 2019 04:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
    I get that i am probably overreacting, i just hate when someone is for example called out for lying and they say "but i just did it because the sky is red" and people go woaaah must be town, nothing wrong with that, look they gave an EXPLANATION, when i n fact the whole explanation doesn't make any fucking sense at all.
    On July 04 2019 04:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On July 04 2019 04:23 Holyflare wrote:
    On July 04 2019 04:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
    On July 04 2019 04:19 Pandain wrote:
    On July 04 2019 03:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
    On July 03 2019 23:32 Holyflare wrote:
    On July 03 2019 23:19 Trfel wrote:
    On July 03 2019 01:09 Eversince wrote:
    And I've played with HF a few times over the years. He's stupid good mafia player. If he's town he'll figure things out! Go look at his massive list of games to look. Like he can be wrong but mafia almost always shoot into the vets on this site (HF/Rayn/Marv etc..etc.)
    @Raynpelikoneet, is the bolded the thing you are using to scumread Eversince?

    Because to me, Eversince is saying here that Holyflare is good at mafia as a game, not as an alignment.


    She also clarified that she meant I'm good at mafia rather than the mafia alignment.

    I know she did but do you believe that's the truth? I don't.


    That was everyone's interpetation of the comment except you. You're the only one reading it otherwise. Also, it's clear that he meant the game and not the alignment because she specifically says "if he's town he'll figure it out" right after. It wouldn't be very sensical if she was referring to the mafia alignment and then said hes a good town player.

    that's not my point. my point is noone says "good at the game" unless the player in consideration is also good as mafia, because people who are only good as town are not good mafia players.


    Even I think this point is a stretch my dude. I've seen plenty of people say that.

    I could possibly believe her if she didnt try to prove her oiint with something that doesnt exist. Thats why i think she is making shit up on the fly.
    He's continuing to argue and explain himself. He's only minimally pushing Eversince here, he's not saying anything about Conversion, he's not getting upset, he seems very calm and relaxed. In fact, it doesn't feel like raynpelikoneet is invested or cares about the lynch at all.

    I know I made a similar point against Holyflare in my case on him, but that was a bad case. There the point was bad, because in that game Holyflare made several posts to Eversince, calling her mafia, in the same time window. The argument against Holyflare was that the posts were addressed to Eversince instead of the thread, which is weak. And even still Holyflare made a post to the threaad in response to the shenanigans:
    On July 04 2019 04:29 Holyflare wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On July 04 2019 04:28 Pandain wrote:
    HF no idea why you're talking when you're never gonna change your mind in a million years


    Because I know you tools will do some stupid shit and she won't get lynched.
    Yet raynpelikoneet did none of this. He did not care about the lynch.

  • raynpelikoneet is mad at Pandain for shooting Grackaroni, a player who he highly scumread
    + Show Spoiler [Analysis] +
    Through Night 1, raynpelikoneet believed that Eversince and Grackaroni were the two mafia. I will provide several quotes about this, for emphasis:
    On July 04 2019 22:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On July 04 2019 22:42 Holyflare wrote:
    Rayn what exactly are your reads actually?

    ES + Grackaroni mafia pretty much.
    On July 05 2019 04:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
    Aside from ES you should kill Grack. He made the post on me being mafia, i can understand you not agreeing with me here or even thinking it's a good post. Just read it again. It doesn't make sense i am sorry i can't explain it further. Then there is the post on Conversion i challenged at eod, the reasons he says conv is mafia for happened when he read conv town, middle point of the post is fluff that doesnt make anyone anything and the the rest is "rayn and conversion are mfia because other people i have better feelings on". Me + Conversion were his top town reads!!!!!! Who did what? He never goes into anything like who actually did something and what makes them town. He just throws out a narrative and sticks shit with it, conversion up to lynch and me to throw distrust on.

    Sorry if not clear, but that's what i think.
    On July 05 2019 04:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
    Kill ES, kill Grack, profit.
    On July 05 2019 04:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
    Lynch ES, lynch Grack. If either of them are town then idk, maybe Pandain?
    I have a hard time seeing anyone else as mafia. Maybe maybe maybe Eywa but that reasoning i have at the back of my head is fucked up and you will have to figure out yourself. Eywa is not mafia though.
    And here is raynpelikoneet's reaction to End of Night 1, seeing Holyflare and Grackaroni flip town:
    On July 05 2019 04:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
    fuck you
    On July 05 2019 04:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
    vigi what`?
    On July 05 2019 04:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
    Why no shot on ES? Why in the hell?
    It doesn't make sense for raynpelikoneet to be mad here. He was highly suspecting Grackaroni, he was going to lynch Grackaroni after Eversince anyway. One of his scumreads still died, objectively it wasn't a bad shot. Raynpelikoneet has no reason to be mad about this, as he can still go and lynch Eversince (his other scumread) and then find out who the last mafia (assuming Eversince is mafia) is, the vigilante shot didn't really change much of anything.

    Except raynpelikoneet is mad about it anyway. This doesn't make sense from what his perspective should be.
Conclusion: I think there is a decent chance raynpelikoneet is mafia. I still want to filter everyone else before I decide, but I think these are some solid reasons to be suspicious of raynpelikoneet.

I'm not sure what you are meaning by quoting the previous game here. Can you show more clearly what you are trying to point out?

As for meta... Which games of mine are you reading? I don't believe the Mafia Database has been updated for quite some time. I recommend reading games more recent than three years ago or so... From End of the World Party Mafia, where I was the Town Doctor and got lynched Day 1, rsoultin's posts (ok it was gonna be posts but I deleted one of them and I'm too lazy to find it again, it's nested in there anyway):
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2019 05:04 rsoultin wrote:
On March 05 2019 05:01 rsoultin wrote:
On March 05 2019 04:55 Trfel wrote:
On March 05 2019 04:51 rsoultin wrote:
On March 05 2019 04:48 Trfel wrote:
Voting Palmar for mayor because of all of the mayors' targets I want to see [UoN]Sentinel lynched most. Him having a townread on himself while claiming to have not read his role PM is super suspicious, moreso the more I think about it. Other than his huge list post he hasn't shown much thought at all, he's been just following the thread sentiment. His overall play makes his effort seem fabricated. A few reasons being quoting my reasoning in one area while highly scumreading me in another, and more importantly not seeming at all invested in his reads. If he put all that effort into reading and making his scumreads, he wouldn't not actually push those reads and follow the thread sentiment like a headless chicken. It feels forced, and like he's trying to use the effort to prove he's town.

##Mayor Palmar


:/ you feel off this game to me. there was a glimmer of truffledom and now it's gone again. you're not doing the truffle waffle
It's not my choice of targets? I can choose between [UoN]Sentinel and Palmar, I'm confident I much prefer [UoN]Sentinel, no need to waffle. If I was the mayor myself I'd probably go with Fecalfeast or maybe sicklucker. You're townreading Fecalfeast off of tone, right?


yeah it's mostly just him doing whatever the fuck and pointing out some things i agreed with at the time + damdy is usually pretty good at reading him and thinks he's town (though i think his read on him gets better later?)


ftr the truffle waffle is not usually dependent on other wagons unless my memory has really gone to shit
Where rsoultin scumread me for not waffling as I used to.

In fact, while I'm there, here's a link to my filter from that game if you haven't already read it.

hey I was in that game! Last TL game of the world lol. With Wiggles' radio show! We scum played an awesome game.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 30 2020 14:04 GMT
#879
I don't remember you playing though lol
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 30 2020 14:08 GMT
#881
we were so sure you were the traitor
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 30 2020 14:08 GMT
#882
so sure
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 30 2020 14:31 GMT
#884
lol Trfel how the fuck were you lynched D1 this game, so townie. And it also shows I was wrong about the angry bit meta
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 30 2020 14:32 GMT
#885
but you had an opinion on everyone in that game, just in 1 day ... in this current game you only talk about Palmar and Sent
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 30 2020 15:09 GMT
#892
On March 30 2020 23:55 LightningStrike wrote:
I got 1 hour left until lecture just fyi guys.

since it's remote you don't even have to hide your phone to follow the thread though
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 30 2020 17:27 GMT
#912
On March 31 2020 01:06 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Rationale for GB:

- Votes Trfel
- Switches to HF when Trfel is actually going to be lynched
- Switches to KSC when HF has no chance of being lynched in Trfel's spot
- Oops KSC is town

Could've been a mistake but:
- Back to attacking HF while nothing else is going on
- Oops HF is modkilled
- I guess I'll uh lynch a lurker or something

and you feel GB has a better chance of being lynched right now than Trfel?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 30 2020 17:35 GMT
#914
On March 31 2020 02:30 LightningStrike wrote:
Rels there was 2 votes on GB before he voted him I think that would answer that question even though I not Sentinel?

sure but votes are not everything. No way GB is lynched over Trfel right now
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 30 2020 18:03 GMT
#929
nice
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 30 2020 18:03 GMT
#930
but we're in MYLO now
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 30 2020 18:12 GMT
#936
On March 31 2020 03:06 Trfel wrote:
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On March 31 2020 03:03 Rels wrote:
but we're in MYLO now
Really?

Started 9v2
ML 8v2
NK 7v2
D2 7v1
NK 6v1
HF 5v1

One mislynch brings it to MYLO, no?

oh yeah, I don't know why I thought we were 7v2
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 31 2020 17:33 GMT
#984
On April 01 2020 02:29 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way, it's Trfel, guys.

yep. Even more than Trfel looking scum, the interactions between the 2 are pretty damning. They can't shup up about the other without ever hard scumreading them
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 31 2020 17:40 GMT
#986
exactly and you can do the same with Sentinel's posts
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 31 2020 17:45 GMT
#987
On March 27 2020 11:13 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Ok time to be more serious

HF's case on KSC is solid and I can't find any real counters to it and Kelsier's reaction has been a resounding "pls no bully". HF is definitely town and KSC is probably scum. I say probably only because he might reappear in the thread and defend himself. But scummy enough that I can put my real vote on him.

The Trfel case was... bad. To me it looks more like grasping at straws and bad town rather than a scum play though. But:

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On March 27 2020 09:42 Trfel wrote:
I don't like voting early on Day 1, I'd rather wait for more information to come out. My vote will be there by the deadline, don't worry about it.

I never know what to think of Holyflare.

I don't really care much about [UoN]Sentinel at the moment. He hasn't posted much and the little he has posted contains a forced-feeling self-vote. I'm holding back judgement for now though, he may have some sort of explanation. I'd much rather kill KelsierSC than [UoN]Sentinel at this point, especially if KelsierSC isn't coming back. There are actual reasons to scumread KelsierSC, I greatly prefer that to [UoN]Sentinel, who is largely a question mark.

Granted I wasn't here and neither were half the players but the wishy-washiness of the last paragraph is suspicious. Is KSC + Palmar the scumteam? Neither of whom has shown up for a while?

I have 5 reads and in order of towniness they're me > HF > ShoCkeyy > Trfel > KSC. The reason I don't want to mark Trfel as red just yet is because his case on Palmar does strike me as a town attempt and because there's a good chance one or two mafia are lurking.

Trfel is suspicious, but my main target is KSC.
On March 28 2020 00:26 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
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On March 27 2020 18:19 Vivax wrote:
Why is HF 'definitely town', and why is Trfel's last line wishy-washy, in your own words?


HF is town because he's spent Day 1 getting others to show up in the thread and post defenses, at which point he can write a book on all the different universes in which they're town or scum and why that's important. I like the pressure on me and Trfel and keeping Rels honest. His case on KSC and follow-up pressure is consistent and logical enough for me to believe it's a genuine case vs. looking for the worst player in the thread at any given moment.

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I don't really care much about [UoN]Sentinel at the moment. He hasn't posted much and the little he has posted contains a forced-feeling self-vote. I'm holding back judgement for now though, he may have some sort of explanation. I'd much rather kill KelsierSC than [UoN]Sentinel at this point, especially if KelsierSC isn't coming back. There are actual reasons to scumread KelsierSC, I greatly prefer that to [UoN]Sentinel, who is largely a question mark.


You can get rid of all the bolded bits and lose nothing. But more importantly it gives Trfel enough wiggle room if one of us (i.e. me) flips town. And if both of us are town all along and he's scum then he's already ahead. But, especially given the top two targets of suspicion at the time were KSC and me, the quoted paragraph is a great example of being in the thread without contributing anything to it.

Trfel is suspicious.
On March 28 2020 02:04 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Checking up on the thread although at work so won't have the time to do any deep dives until night. For now I'm considering GB's case on HF and thinking how much sense it makes.

I would prefer KSC get lynched but Trfel is a pretty close second. He hasn't shown up and I can lynch him on the same logic I don't like KSC for.

Trfel is suspicious, but my main target is KSC.
On March 31 2020 00:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Going to say

Town = HF > Rels > Shockey > Palmar > LS > Trfel > GB = Scum

##Vote: GlowingBear

Trfel is suspicious, but my main target is GB.
On March 31 2020 01:06 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Rationale for GB:

- Votes Trfel
- Switches to HF when Trfel is actually going to be lynched
- Switches to KSC when HF has no chance of being lynched in Trfel's spot
- Oops KSC is town

Could've been a mistake but:
- Back to attacking HF while nothing else is going on
- Oops HF is modkilled
- I guess I'll uh lynch a lurker or something

GB is scum because he's protecting his scum teammate Trfel. But I will push GB anyway, even though there is no way GB is lynched instead of Trfel given the thread sentiment.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 31 2020 17:51 GMT
#991
On April 01 2020 02:47 GlowingBear wrote:
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On April 01 2020 02:45 Rels wrote:
On March 27 2020 11:13 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Ok time to be more serious

HF's case on KSC is solid and I can't find any real counters to it and Kelsier's reaction has been a resounding "pls no bully". HF is definitely town and KSC is probably scum. I say probably only because he might reappear in the thread and defend himself. But scummy enough that I can put my real vote on him.

The Trfel case was... bad. To me it looks more like grasping at straws and bad town rather than a scum play though. But:

On March 27 2020 09:42 Trfel wrote:
I don't like voting early on Day 1, I'd rather wait for more information to come out. My vote will be there by the deadline, don't worry about it.

I never know what to think of Holyflare.

I don't really care much about [UoN]Sentinel at the moment. He hasn't posted much and the little he has posted contains a forced-feeling self-vote. I'm holding back judgement for now though, he may have some sort of explanation. I'd much rather kill KelsierSC than [UoN]Sentinel at this point, especially if KelsierSC isn't coming back. There are actual reasons to scumread KelsierSC, I greatly prefer that to [UoN]Sentinel, who is largely a question mark.

Granted I wasn't here and neither were half the players but the wishy-washiness of the last paragraph is suspicious. Is KSC + Palmar the scumteam? Neither of whom has shown up for a while?

I have 5 reads and in order of towniness they're me > HF > ShoCkeyy > Trfel > KSC. The reason I don't want to mark Trfel as red just yet is because his case on Palmar does strike me as a town attempt and because there's a good chance one or two mafia are lurking.

Trfel is suspicious, but my main target is KSC.
On March 28 2020 00:26 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 27 2020 18:19 Vivax wrote:
Why is HF 'definitely town', and why is Trfel's last line wishy-washy, in your own words?


HF is town because he's spent Day 1 getting others to show up in the thread and post defenses, at which point he can write a book on all the different universes in which they're town or scum and why that's important. I like the pressure on me and Trfel and keeping Rels honest. His case on KSC and follow-up pressure is consistent and logical enough for me to believe it's a genuine case vs. looking for the worst player in the thread at any given moment.

I don't really care much about [UoN]Sentinel at the moment. He hasn't posted much and the little he has posted contains a forced-feeling self-vote. I'm holding back judgement for now though, he may have some sort of explanation. I'd much rather kill KelsierSC than [UoN]Sentinel at this point, especially if KelsierSC isn't coming back. There are actual reasons to scumread KelsierSC, I greatly prefer that to [UoN]Sentinel, who is largely a question mark.


You can get rid of all the bolded bits and lose nothing. But more importantly it gives Trfel enough wiggle room if one of us (i.e. me) flips town. And if both of us are town all along and he's scum then he's already ahead. But, especially given the top two targets of suspicion at the time were KSC and me, the quoted paragraph is a great example of being in the thread without contributing anything to it.

Trfel is suspicious.
On March 28 2020 02:04 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Checking up on the thread although at work so won't have the time to do any deep dives until night. For now I'm considering GB's case on HF and thinking how much sense it makes.

I would prefer KSC get lynched but Trfel is a pretty close second. He hasn't shown up and I can lynch him on the same logic I don't like KSC for.

Trfel is suspicious, but my main target is KSC.
On March 31 2020 00:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Going to say

Town = HF > Rels > Shockey > Palmar > LS > Trfel > GB = Scum

##Vote: GlowingBear

Trfel is suspicious, but my main target is GB.
On March 31 2020 01:06 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Rationale for GB:

- Votes Trfel
- Switches to HF when Trfel is actually going to be lynched
- Switches to KSC when HF has no chance of being lynched in Trfel's spot
- Oops KSC is town

Could've been a mistake but:
- Back to attacking HF while nothing else is going on
- Oops HF is modkilled
- I guess I'll uh lynch a lurker or something

GB is scum because he's protecting his scum teammate Trfel. But I will push GB anyway, even though there is no way GB is lynched instead of Trfel given the thread sentiment.

Actually, at the time he pushed me, I was the second wagon. 2 votes on me were guaranteed. It was his best bet, unless Trfel could push Palmar with you leading it.

That was the vote situation, but noone was ever switching to you given what they had said earlier. On the other hand, a lot of people were ready to vote Trfel if he suddenly became obvious town.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 31 2020 17:52 GMT
#992
"he" being Sentinel is that above post
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 31 2020 18:02 GMT
#998
what a snipe
##Vote Trfel
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 31 2020 18:02 GMT
#999
GB
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