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On July 10 2019 01:13 Eywa- wrote: The fact that he only later explains that he voted conversion because of a scum read is awful... In this post he basically just says he read his filter, but doesn't explicitly state his EOD reads which is kind of what I'd be looking for town to do if they were justifying a fuck up. I understand. I would have wanted more from trfel but can you please look at what i just wrote? | ||
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On July 10 2019 01:22 Jockmcplop wrote: And yet when I said i had an awful day 1 rayn told me I did everything right as town on day 1. Make your mind up rayn lol... Like I said before I was all over the place on day 1. Didn't have any consistent reads at all. I just couldn't read the game (its pretty much this whole game tbh). I had a strong feeling at the end of the day that I didn't want ES to die. That's about all I can tell you. I never looked closely to your filter before because i was too busy lynching obvious mafia. Yeah at first glance i didn't see anything wrong with your D1. I don't see anywhere in your filter that suggests that you even had a remote townread on ES. You called me, Conversion and HF town (at some points), hell you never ever even call ES town in your filter. | ||
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On July 10 2019 01:33 Jockmcplop wrote: Like I said I just felt like ES shouldn't die. I know that sounds shit. Anything I say about it other than that would be trying to justify my actions in hindsight which doesn't really work. If you insist I come up with a reason I would say the ease with which everyone fell into scumreading and lynching ES made me uncertain that it was a good call. When you call people my townreads and scumreads you aren't really representing what I was thinking properly, I was utterly confused and didn't have any particularly strong reads. Mostly it was just slight leans one way or the other. I don't care if you had strong reads or not strong reads. I care about the reads you HAD. You never, even once in this game, call Eversince town during D1. You multiple times call Conversion town. You also don't call Pandain town, in fact you called him and Eywa mafia. That's what is in your filter. If you want to explain what posts made change your mind on any of them, well all of them, please do try. But right now i don't see any reason why i should be believing you. What i see i s you asked, at the eod, your scumread to vote for your townread over your nullread, that is a fact for me based on your filter. I don't think it's reasonable to say "yeah that's not really what i thought, i just didn't post it at the time", but if that's what you are gonna run with then at least make a proper post to explain what were all of the things that made you change your mind and why didn't you care enough to make a simple post like "my read on X has changed / my read on X is now this"? | ||
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On July 10 2019 01:49 Eywa- wrote: I read what you wrote Rayn... The issue I have with it is, Pandain, Grack and trfel also randomly pushed Conversion at end of day... I mean, trfel also said today that it wasn't due to a town read on ES, but a mafia read on Conversion? So... He didn't have a solid town read on ES, and he had not discussed anything negative about Conversion at all that day. So... Instead of posting something like "why not grack?" or point to someone he actually talked about, he re-read Conversion's filter (note: he didn't re-read ES who he claims he was not town reading to the point of saving). And he comes to the conclusion with 0 discussion that Conversion is definitely scummy. Well, that doesn't make much sense. There are even points during Day 1 where trfel liked Conversion I think... But I'd have to go back and check. I don't know who voted first, second and last but i know for a fact that Trfel ninja'ed so he didn't really "push conversion". Grackaroni was Jock's scumread around 10 hours before the deadline, so was Pandain. Why is he voting for his town read conversion with his apparent scumreads? Over voting for his null read? | ||
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So okay, he was voting WITH his scumread (Grack), and trying to convince his scumread (Pandain) to vote for his slight townread (over null read). Would you think it ends up in a scum lynch when you vote with your 2 scumreads in a game where there is 2 scum? | ||
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Is there a contradiction there because i can't see it? | ||
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On July 10 2019 01:59 Eywa- wrote: Ah wait, I see... So you saved ES day 1 and day 2 you were just coincidentally following along with her again, but unrelated? Trfel says on D1 he didn't vote to save ES. He voted Conv because he thought ES is town and with Conv he would have at least a chance to lynch mafia. On D2 he says he wasn't gonna save ES and the situation is anyways different from D1 because he had a scumread (rayn). | ||
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On July 10 2019 02:02 Trfel wrote: Day 1 vs Day 2... Day 1 saved Eversince Day 2 tried to vote for mafia (still thought Eversince was town, stupidly) yeah i messed up my post a little but yes, technically speaking there is nothing wrong with this here. | ||
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On July 10 2019 02:03 Eywa- wrote: Day 2, he also voted you because he thought ES was town. that's not right, at least he says it's not. he voted for me because he thought i am mafia. | ||
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On July 10 2019 01:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: Before voting for Conversion Jock was voting for Grack, he even made a post where he says Grack is scummy. Pandain was Jock's scumread for sure and there is no post in his filter that says he changed his read on Pandain. So okay, he was voting WITH his scumread (Grack), and trying to convince his scumread (Pandain) to vote for his slight townread (over null read). Would you think it ends up in a scum lynch when you vote with your 2 scumreads in a game where there is 2 scum? really eywa, read this please. | ||
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On July 10 2019 02:07 Trfel wrote: This is true, I still thought Eversince is town though, does it matter? Why can't I think both? Semantics... I do though have one problem with this, which i originally brought it up. Why didn't you change your vote onto eversince when pandain made it clear that's where he is going to vote? In an unlikely scenario that eywa is mafia and i am town you are losing the game for something you said you wouldn't do. | ||
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On July 10 2019 02:09 Eywa- wrote: I read this. Funny thing about this: Grackaroni and Jockmcplop had nearly identical reads D1 and committed to the same end result. What would you say Grackaroni's alignment is? I know he is town but i would still lynch him if he was in the game or did the same stuff. I don't really remember what Grack did and what was his reasoning, i stopped caring about that when he got shot, but here's something i know: For me mafia isn't really about finding contradictions and shit like that, you know like "fake posts" and shit. I hate when people get called out purely based on something superficial. For me mafia is about trying to find out why people post what they did and even if you did the most awful stupid shit it doesn't necessarily mean you're mafia. What i think ALWAYS makes people mafia is when people go against their own logic, one that they clearly say or imply is the case and then they do something else. Like when ES makes like 10 posts hard defending Grack for meta, just to say that "grack could do that as either alignment". That's always going to be a lie, and that's always a lie mafia makes. Always. Jock had reads. I don't believe Jock believes his assumed town read will flip mafia over his assumed scum read when he votes with two of his his assumed scum reads. I just don't believe it. The only reasonable explanation i can come up with that he went all in saving ES. I literally can't even think of a townie thought process for what he did based on what he said in thread in his D1 filter. | ||
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##vote Trfel I am sorry if you were town Trfel. | ||
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On July 10 2019 02:20 Eywa- wrote: See.. Grack wasn't even on my radar day 1 due to how people were talking to/about him. So we disagree about whether or not he would have been a good lynch. Well we disagree on this then, because i have seriously no idea what "how other people talked to/about player X" has to do with player X's alignment, especially on D1. | ||
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But it is a lie to say I did not re-evaluate Eversince D2 because I spent a significant amount of time in her filter and my thoughts are clearly posted.
