EPT[T] Fibonacci Mafia
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On March 31 2019 07:03 disformation wrote: I'm allergic to cat hair.  This code for chasing the rainbow? Allergic to pussy lol | ||
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On March 31 2019 08:57 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: i was being PCIs that Australian? Not making fun of you, just never heard "chasing the rainbow" used in that context before and I'm curious For filter dive purposes when game starts | ||
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I am caught up and have nothing of value to add. I have a couple town reads, but this is largely irrelevant to share. No firm leads to pursue at this point. i can justify most of the content to date as "theme exploration" which whilst I think is completely OK to do on Day1, also makes it difficult to discern scum motivation. I suppose my main outstanding point of interest to reexamine when I wake up is VE. I didn't share the same opinion as mig, but his passion was sufficient to trigger me to revisit. Damdred is an odd case. I dont get the play if mafia or 3P to be so blase. I can see some worlds where the play makes sense as town. That already is enough for me to write him off as a D1 lynch candidate. Really, im waiting to hear more from the rest of the game TS, Pandain, MZ, Palmar & I tend to agree that "worst" post in the thread to date is that KSC explanation on ?p24? /night | ||
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Shall we do palmar day1 two games in a row? | ||
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Palmar #685/#689 = I feel for you dude. Last game was a tough hand to be dealt, and then to roll scum this game - I really feel for you. We have lazy Day1 Palmar here guys, and for those that have been around the TL Traps - this is synonymous with scum!Palmar. Firstly, Damdred doesnt town!read rayn outright. He faction reads Roman!Rayn. Secondly, I agree with Palmar that alt-win con should not cloud the thread, yet, he seemingly is oblivious/ignorant that several others, not just Damdred, have raised alt win-con. "I don't believe him" , whilst 'true from Palmar PoV' is the easy/lazy position for him to push... you tell me. Is easy/lazy more likely to town!palmar, or scum!palmar. Lastly, we just came from a game where town positioned themselves as 3P. This whole premise is over embellished. ##Vote: Palmar | ||
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Do you make anything of how VE is talking to you? | ||
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On April 07 2019 20:25 disformation wrote: dont think im too fond of lynching plamar on a weekend tbh. maybe but first do the courtesy of opening damdred filter. - he has what... 5 posts? Disfo, you deserve better than the shit Palmar served you. | ||
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#703 - I can follow this. I thought about it more last night, and Migs posting reminded me a lot of bloodcobbler in the last game. | ||
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I agree with first paragraph in full. I have an opinion on paragraph 2, but will leave this for damdred. para 3: Damdred hasnt posted since Early Day1. I dont think thats a fair position to take (nothing els for the whole two days) | ||
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I liked the mz stuff before I will give that a read P.s. im not voting damdred this cycle full stop Like give him some respect. Hes not that bad hes going to alienate himself like this when mafia always have information advantage early game. Palmar / mig / possibly mz is a good wagon pool i feel Will reread now | ||
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#603 My feedback: I don't share the strength of your conclusion as there is an 18hr timestamp difference between the two TMI posts. And we all know much can change in view within that window. HOWEVER, I personally dont see how MZ can scumread LS based off those posts - which are completely within the realm of town to make. The thing is.. based on how fibonacci works.. the idea of an "expanding" mafia team actually is scarily theme-compliant.. So, the oddity I find is MZ crashing in on this "brilliance" to tie in TMI. In my mind it was just brilliant, not TMI. That does feel forced to me - which is something you expressed in your post. If you are the SOLE scum on Day1, there is no reason to even throw the idea of this out there. So fuckn stupid to consider this could be TMI... Right now with where the game is at, I have to weigh up a few things (1) Deadline is 6am. So im always leaving a vote 8-10hrs before lynch (2) I dont have a STRONG scum read. Just leans Im willing to go ahead with. Ya know. the YOLO life. So im happy to admit my Day1 lynch is a crapshoot. My lynch preferences are: Palmar, mig, and I could swing MZ. - as i explained, im not voting damdred this cycle looking at the vote count (which seems to errors within), the other wagon is FF who hasnt given me any bad vibes. I do think Palmar is scum, but I can accept people dont want to lynch him Day1. So its really mig/mz. I get more tingles from mig - like i said before, its quite reminsicent of BC from the last game. Bit of grandpa blasting and then retreating. PS. MZ agrees with you on damdred ##unvote ##VoteL Mig | ||
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On April 07 2019 21:22 Pandain wrote: In my headActually I just re-read what you wrote and you're more concerned with his post rather than just being "lazy". I actually agree it's suspicious, but I still want to wait an extra day. HF is town, and Palmar has seen HF has a big boner for Damdred. Palmar seeking to make some posts decides to +1 but cant capitulate to HF, so needs to add some palmar word magic into the game. Thats the problem, Damdred filter is so small ... 5 posts, and palmar was still too lazy to critically evaluate. Instead, hes hiding behind his policy position - which I grant is fair to his value system. However, he needs to apply this EVENLY - which he does not. So much of what Palmar said can equally apply to others... like aside from HF not being interested in LS.. why is he off the hook?? Palmar *is* scum, but I can accept people dont want to lynch him Day1, especially after the debacle of last game. My preference is 60% palmar vote, 25% mig vote, 15% mz vote. I voted mig... | ||
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I had to check could couldnt believe I missed that (18hr vs 2min). Look its actually 34min, but point is clear. MZ had access to both quotes at he time of his first post. ok. SO MY LAST hurdle for MZ is that I have low confidence to read him.. i mean, last game I thought he was lock scum at the end... Are you confidently crapshooting with MZ, or actually think hes lock scum? | ||
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On April 07 2019 21:54 Tubesock wrote: Not feeling the MiG lynch at all. Nor the Palmar one. I’m more interested in Eywa. Anyone want to talk about him? ![[image loading]](https://media.giphy.com/media/m6tmCnGCNvTby/giphy.gif) | ||
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On April 07 2019 22:10 Tubesock wrote: How do you foresee me responding to this?Mocsta, did Palmar even post before you posted you wanted to kill him? Looks too much like you’re just looking for any reason you can find to lynch him. He should basically be null if anything. Its all backhand slaps, yeah.... Your first point is so off the mark I'm in shock, and your second point should tend towards a scum read on me. Tell the truth please.. did you even read what I wrote? | ||
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First ctrl+F i found On April 06 2019 10:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am town but i have some win conditions i have no way of knowing how to achieve them so idc. I believe i am town because it says so in my role pm. I noted your points on Damdred, and I just don't think that holds in a closed THEMED game on Day1. At worst he should be put on alert for a Day2 or 3 lynch. | ||
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On April 07 2019 22:19 Palmar wrote: Well, i would like to express my grattitude that at least you read my content.tbf I wouldn't really blame anyone for mostly skimming your stuff. Thank you NOW YOU MUST DIE!  | ||
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Mig maybe mafia Mz obtuse like last game. Maybe actually town. Could lynch just to get rid of headache. I forgot about ksc. No idea Goinf to bed Going to settle on vivax ##vote: vivax | ||
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On April 08 2019 07:16 Pandain wrote: AgreedHonestly still probably a good kill for town. Most likely he would have killed town with his power. For a day 1 lynch its not the worst On April 08 2019 07:19 Pandain wrote: Duhhh.. damdred is the other assassin... For any equivalent Roman assassins, you're probably better off trying to kill mafia than killing LightningStrike/other hindu arabs. The chance that you end up killing the head hindu arab is pretty low, but if you manage to kill mafia your other win condition goes up. His target is lightning strike both are town... | ||
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On April 08 2019 07:24 Fecalfeast wrote: This.....I had forgotted it was you who claimed and I forgive you. If the assassin is town then either the roman recruiter is mafia or the assassin has an anti-town win condition. To me this seems like there may not be a traditional mafia faction as it would be sort of lame to have 2 town factions fighting eachother. The inclusion of the fact that the assassin 'wins with town' in it's rolepm, coupled with the fact that rayn was so blatant about claiming roman, makes me think that there is a cultist or some other converting role in this game and that we should stop worrying about factions. LS said onegu told him he is not removed from the game when he acheives his wincon, nor does the assassin's role pm state that he is removed from the game. The real game is to figure out who does NOT have 'wins with town' in their role PM and keep the number of people that still DO 'win with town' as high as possible. Totally ties in with the element of town recruiting as well & Fibonacci growth I assume the balance element is that, the cultist cannot recruit Roman/Hindo people. | ||
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On April 08 2019 08:21 disformation wrote: Dunno, I havent read the game since last night. so circa p41.Wasn't damdred Hindu too? I went to check lynch and was intrigued by the role as it was purporting a similar issue that Damdred raised. Anyhow, this pinged me to check damdred filter to see what he posted in the last 8hrs... to my surprise: nothing. Going back to "is damdred hindu?" Damdred 3 faction comment is fair - He knew he is Faction A, with alt-win con to hit faction B. and it is reasonable to assume there is at least faction C = mafia or vanilla The "LS hi we can be friends" is funny in hindsight as that may be his alt-win con standing proud in the savanna lol #315 is what cements damdred as town for me, this is VERY similar to the MZ role On April 06 2019 09:31 Damdred wrote: Heres the thing, I know town obviously has sub factions in it that wants the other sub factions to die. For instance rayn needs me to die, I need rayn to die. But we both more than likely win with town, personally speaking I value a general win more than a personal win. LS I do t want to ever die. It doesnt matter who damdred claims needs to die - because aside from LS, it is likely there is an element of bluff within the other claims. On April 06 2019 10:24 Damdred wrote: This is also written as if he could be referring to himselfAlso if we have three factions with part of town having sub win conditions that have to eliminate a third party why for example would Roman's show themselves so early I will stick with Damred = Roman Assassin | ||
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On April 08 2019 07:29 Holyflare wrote: im as mafia as you broski.think mocsta has a very decent chance at being mafia after that mz flip just cos you lead mislynch after mislynch after mislynch doesnt make everyone else mafia. I laid it out clear for you. MZ naturally plays scummy. It was a valid concern I raised that *YOU* ignored. Now, get out the fuck outta here calling me scum, sson | ||
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On April 06 2019 07:00 Onegu wrote: In case anyone else didn't realise it appears that Genoa is mafiaFibonacci Mafia - Day One The year is 1202. The great maritime Republic of Pisa is ground zero for a revolutionary new book. Liber Abacci, written by your own Leonardo Bonacci of Pisa (Fibonacci), presents the Hindu-Arabic numerals as a more precise numbering system for measurements and conversions. The famed Fibonacci numbers are just one example of his point. While the book stirs up discussion among the elite and intellectuals of Pisa, rumors of operatives from the rival Republic of Genoa come to Pisa to sow discord abound. Your mission as loyal citizens of Pisa is to root out this evil weed before it can poison the whole Republic! According to Wiki: Genoa and Pisa were Martime Republics at war during the early 13th century. Both Genoa and Pisa were allies of the Byzantine (read: Roman empire). However, given Fibonacci is home based in Pisa, and the multiple thread references to Roman and town, I will presume that only Pisa infers Roman. On April 06 2019 07:02 KelsierSC wrote: I'm probably nitpicking but I find it odd KSC could fixate on this off the bat. Maybe hes a more critical reader than me, who knows. Fucking Genoa amirite? | ||
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On April 06 2019 07:37 KelsierSC wrote: Two Hindu assassins?Is a Roman pact special in anyway or just like a normal pact except you occasionally murder Christians? I'm in either way. | ||
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On April 06 2019 08:09 Holyflare wrote: hmmmmmI feel like this is a 10 faction game or some shit and I'm just sitting here with something that is completely anti town despite actually being town KSC/HF/MZ + someone else , all assassins? | ||
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Infiltrate refers to a Genoan cultist. The main problem i see with this is that balance SUCKS if a cultist finds an assassin. Its a huge snowball blow against town. Ohhh yeah and that 4th assassin is damdred.. cant beleive i forgot lol | ||
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On April 08 2019 10:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: What?Well mr. Roman assassin i think you should know what to do since the people you need to kill have all claimed. You can win with killin LS and i am now gonna pretend i have all townies best interest at heart; then we can figure out which of those people are lying since LS claims he needs to recruit 2 people and 3 people are saying they need to get recruited by LS. I obviously win when we kill those people but that's a point that doesn't matter. Your alt-win is elimination of an entire faction? | ||
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On April 08 2019 10:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: LOl.. So im interpretting that as an entire faction.No just the hindu-arabic council which apparently is LS+Damdred+Grackaroni+Ewya (with one of them lying and probably mafia). Reading between the lines, you are a faction (Roman) but not council. Which is why you are discriminating/selective? This game is so weird. | ||
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On April 08 2019 10:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: you're not making sense.For reals though i think everyone who come out as clueless of what me and Damdred were talking about are probably mafia. That would be Vivax, Mocsta and Kelsier to some extent. Palmar probably just didn't read and if he is mafia him wanting to lynch Damdred doesn't really make any sense because Damdred is anti-town and works for him because LS is stubborn and acts like he does (aka only wants to recruit people he needs to and not even consider their alignments). The only people who knew the assassin role was legit before p57 were the assassins... | ||
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On April 06 2019 08:38 Holyflare wrote: dunno if HF says this, if he + damdred are both assassins.mafia are grack and damdred so far disfo possibly 3rd damdred might just be 3rd party and not mafia though based on rayn info, it seems there is an addition role which is seeking council elimination. Rayn/HF are probably both that. | ||
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On April 06 2019 09:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have a problemI dont think i will be explaining much of my reads this game. Well at least no tonight lol. I just think the level of caring or pretending of caring from holyflare atm makes him mafia. Also ls is town but he needs to die i think or we just dont care about the alternative wincons but i dont think people can agree to that (they can say they do but still dont which os going to be stupid). At this point, all LS said was that he was looking for mathematicians. LS has *NEVER* stated he was on a Hindu Council Even towards the end of D1, all LS said is that he is a recruiter. yet, I refer to Rayn On April 08 2019 10:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well mr. Roman assassin i think you should know what to do since the people you need to kill have all claimed. You can win with killin LS and i am now gonna pretend i have all townies best interest at heart; then we can figure out which of those people are lying since LS claims he needs to recruit 2 people and 3 people are saying they need to get recruited by LS. I obviously win when we kill those people but that's a point that doesn't matter. On April 08 2019 10:31 Mocsta wrote: What? Your alt-win is elimination of an entire faction? On April 08 2019 10:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Can Rayn really believe LS is on a "council"? I doubt it, Rayn is lying...No just the hindu-arabic council which apparently is LS+Damdred+Grackaroni+Ewya (with one of them lying and probably mafia). I just am not sure why. | ||
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Mz role came out 40ish hours later..... The post i quotes u from is early day1 bruh... | ||
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On April 07 2019 04:38 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: i dont like shitting on the dead, but this is SO FUCKING RETARDED i couldnt resist.Aight I'm caught up. People who are townreading LS right now, I want solid concrete reasons for it. In my opinion he has had several TMI posts. Hes an assassin looking for a Roman recruiter. LS opens by saying he wants to befriend Hindu "XYZ" Like it should click they are same faction at this point.... man lol | ||
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On April 07 2019 21:51 Mocsta wrote: ok. SO MY LAST hurdle for MZ is that I have low confidence to read him.. i mean, last game I thought he was lock scum at the end... Are you confidently crapshooting with MZ, or actually think hes lock scum? | ||
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On April 08 2019 16:59 Holyflare wrote: yeah i realised afterI've already full claimed my role. Don't be dense. im fully caught up now you are lock town for me, s'all good | ||
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I think Sentinel looks terrible too Its a poor heuristic I know, but in particular, I expect more from a town!sentinel following the shit show from last game. mig has done enough im content to put him in a leave it till later pile. I can see a town world where he doesnt think he has town!cred so is happy just being a "voice of reason" im iffy about tubesock. in my summary notes i oneworded him as "aloof". Not scummy per se, but not town either. Im still happy to get rid of Vivax Palmar is like mig. wait it n see. No more weekend lazy excuses either. i need to reread rayn/eywa before settling on an opinion. Even after the multiple pages devoted to that setup talk, im still not entirely sure why Eywa thinks his alt-con is to be recruited by mafia. in short, from my first read, I wasnt sure what he was stating was fact of role pm vs his interpretation. | ||
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I don't know why I even bother with you. Every single game... BTW. get your facts straight You were the one berating me first | ||
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you have to be stoned right now.. i cant believe that came out of your mouth. Quite insulting actually. | ||
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On April 08 2019 07:29 Holyflare wrote: think mocsta has a very decent chance at being mafia after that mz flip Move on now Im town. | ||
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On April 08 2019 17:48 Jockmcplop wrote: Padawan, the nose for scum prophecy rarely pays dividends.Definitely wait & see on Vivax imo. He has a nose for scum so it might be worth keeping him around. I agree with hf that Kelsier is looking scummy. His voting post was very wet and flimsy. | ||
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Im really concerned for you | ||
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Damdred and rayn supposedly have also claimed math and never mentioned this. Wtf is this game? Jock U r padawan. Its ok. Still town. | ||
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On April 08 2019 03:10 Eywa- wrote: I feel like the game is also bastard, not sure if that was initially stated -- to be honest, I didn't actually read the description. - My role is town, but I don't win with all of town... From the looks of it, I only win with 1/3 of town. - There is definitely recruiting, I don't know if this is cult or Mafia... I am NOT a recruiter. This is what i dont get Rayn / damdred / eywa all same role supposedly. Rayn opens with needing to kill faction Damdred expands this Nothing in eywa talks about killing off faction | ||
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Ok bby gurl Im town and u need me too Sweet dreams | ||
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On April 09 2019 07:35 disformation wrote: I treat this as unlikely@hf: you better not be the inquisitor. that would make me sad. HF went about Day1 as per his textbook town-style. What makes you say "the" inquisitor? | ||
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[b][green]Is Grackeroni voteable whilst 'removed from the Repbulic'?" | ||
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EBWOP Is Grackeroni able to be voted whilst 'removed from the Republic'? | ||
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On April 09 2019 07:00 rsoultin wrote: I DONT LIKE THE IMPLICATION OF THISThough Pisa is far from a crimeless Republic, the events of last night are strange enough to sweep through the populace. Some speculate that the wrongfully executed assassin found to be in the employ of the newly-formed Hindu-Arabic Council has resulted in a backlash, though that hardly explains the third dead body found with a mysterious device. Additionally, a citizen has gone missing. And another rumor circulates: that the Genoa resistance is growing. | ||
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3 flipped factions + mafia = 4 known factions. Role PM details and thread speculation leads to a total of 5 to 6 factions. (1) Hindu (2) Roman (3) Anti-Inquisition (4) Town 'no faction' with alt-wincon to "find someone" = HF (4-5) Inquisition - Targetting mathematicians // mafia (5) Mafia = Genoa The Grack thing has enacted how HF suggested his role works.. Im not sure what to make of that. The problem I'm seeing this game is how town KP works. Assassin/Poisoner etc is all anti-town focused KP. This doesn't make sense. I suppose where I'm getting at is, I win with "town" but I have no idea what "town" is this game. I have no idea because everything is designed that we can kill within. And if the game is about genoa being a cultist, it makes limited sense because by the time this is evident, a lot of town Kp roles that can eliminate genoa is out of the game. At this point my only comfortable vote would be against [UoN]Sentinel for the same reasons I articulated last night. Otherwise, i would actually consider a no-lynch. | ||
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On April 09 2019 11:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: Whats the point of winning if you dont leave the game? U in a qt? | ||
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FINALLY someones else Lets work together plus I think you town | ||
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On April 08 2019 07:11 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Oof Realized it was too silent for scum to give up one of theirs so I wanted to change the lynch to Damdy before deadline. No guarantee he's scum either but I'd take a coinflip over "probably not" That didn't work. On April 08 2019 07:12 Fecalfeast wrote: I agreethis feels not genuine to me. like you had been preparing it beforehand idk ##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel | ||
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On April 09 2019 14:42 Pandain wrote: kkLet's do this. Now we have more thread info, should we look into damdy? Does his perspective make sense as town at all? I liked this in FF filter On April 06 2019 10:20 Fecalfeast wrote: I do wonder why damdred thinks that town is trying to kill itself and at the same time kill mafia. Seems like that would be a hugely mafia favoured setup but he doesn't even consider an alternative like multiple factions. | ||
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##Unvote Lets openly explore this shit, so yeah.. agree to dig into damdy? | ||
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On April 09 2019 14:53 Tumblewood wrote: hey mocsta and pandain... wanna explain? ##Convert Tumblewood | ||
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On April 09 2019 14:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah I recall you made some spiel post about itDamdred cant be mafia. but yeah i agree this is quite reminiscient of mathematician win-con "Heres the thing, I know town obviously has sub factions in it that wants the other sub factions to die. For instance rayn needs me to die, I need rayn to die. But we both more than likely win with town, personally speaking I value a general win more than a personal win. LS I do t want to ever die." So... Hindu Recruiter = LS Assassin = MZ Math 1 = Eywa- Math 2 = Damdred Roman Recruiter = ?? Assassin = FecalFeast - No counter claim -> Assume not mafia interspersed Math 1 = ?? Rayn ?? Math 2 = ? Non-Inquisitor Poisoner = Jock Rest Tubesock - One concern I had was #859 as prior to that I didn't think TS engaged me as if I was townread. Holyflare - I want to believe that his appeal to emotion about anti-town role and cultist play is too low a blow for scum. So lock town. Pandain - Lazy meta read compared to last game Mig - Vivax - I noted that #908 was a good post. I want to see how Vivax follows up on KSC KSC - Nothing redeeming other than perhaps #202 TW - Seems to be counterpart of HF, as didnt claim whatever happened to Grack?? Slam - No idea VE - His posts add up to town for me Grack - #305 contradicts his mathematician claim. Palmar - I'm still waiting for more disfo - Did he send Grack away? I thought hes been pretty consistently invested all game. light town read. Sentinel - As I mentioned before, after the shit show of last game, i woudl expect more from a town roll this game. Mocsta - ?? | ||
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On April 09 2019 15:14 Tumblewood wrote: are you tellin me these fellas just converted me and then left with no explanation ohh man. this was funny i went away cos was doing a post the convert was a joke On April 09 2019 13:05 Fecalfeast wrote: it's like, now i'm a perfect candidate to be converted because if i win either way who cares so I'm vowing right now that if I get converted to something I will announce it to thread | ||
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Action order resolution may have resulted in LS getting a "recruit" off, but most likely it was to Eywa or Grack. Both arent here, so the Hindu "Council" is most likely eliminated already. | ||
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Why are people hovering, but no activity. | ||
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All posts are adding to theory discussion, and even though content is true, it provides no momentum towards anything. e.g. On April 06 2019 22:19 KelsierSC wrote: From jock he's like responding to everything thrown at him whereas if your mafia you want to pretend you don't care and act all aloof because I'm "so busy catching scum right now" On April 06 2019 22:26 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: This is a disagreement on KSC argument, but has no opinion on KSC using it, or the recipient (Jock).As scum you try to stay alive and your number one priority is to defend yourself, except if you're getting bussed As town you try to find scum and staying alive is priority two So I disagree with this assertion | ||
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On April 09 2019 15:22 Tumblewood wrote: Occam Razor suggests that Grack decided to have a crack and guessed wrongi am not the counterpart of HF. grack said i was HF's guy, i have no reason to believe i am that. if anything i am disfo's guy | ||
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On April 08 2019 03:28 Tubesock wrote: I’m townreading Mocsta. Mostly for his entrance and when he talked to me. Yes wanting to lynch town to get rid of headache is bad. I think I’d have to search a lot of games to find one where a mafia said that though. To me it’s NAI. The part in green is acceptable, but its the part in red I find odd because when he addressed me it was extremely passive aggressive - which I called him out no. On April 07 2019 22:10 Tubesock wrote: Mocsta, did Palmar even post before you posted you wanted to kill him? Looks too much like you’re just looking for any reason you can find to lynch him. He should basically be null if anything. On April 07 2019 22:14 Mocsta wrote: How do you foresee me responding to this? Its all backhand slaps, yeah.... Your first point is so off the mark I'm in shock, and your second point should tend towards a scum read on me. Tell the truth please.. did you even read what I wrote? On April 07 2019 22:35 Tubesock wrote: Ok you’re right he posted three posts of zero substance before your entrance. I’ll concede that. I disagree about this being lazy Palmar tho. Or even really any different than last game at this point. Or even that lazy Palmar still means mafiaPalmar. I agreed about your first post concerning Damdred at first except I thought he was going to be 3p. I agreed about the points that I don’t think town factions would need to kill each other. That seems messed up. I’m not sure why Palmar’s argument on why Damdred is mafia rung out to me more than HF’s despite essentially being the same I don’t know. Maybe timing. I’m having a hard time seeing how towndamdred posts the way he did. I’d like to hear your worlds. Even a couple days removed from the event, I find this exchange odd. Tubesock is not engaging me as if he wants to discern my alignment OR thought my previous posts were townie. Hes trying to shit on me. Def worth a filter dive I say. | ||
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On April 07 2019 22:11 Tubesock wrote: Ohh I also had in my notes that this post i particular was very iffy with timing in the threadI’ll likely switch to MZ too, but I want to see his responses. HF was active and I took it as a confirm of obedience/subservience. https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/544405-fibonacci-mafia?page=37#729 | ||
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Where are you with Vivax now? On April 08 2019 03:02 Tumblewood wrote: [...] and vivax is p townie too On April 08 2019 03:08 Tubesock wrote: What makes you think Vivax is towny? I’m not seeing it at all. He’s not angry and he’s not acumreading me like normal town vivax does. On April 08 2019 03:12 disformation wrote: normally at least one person in the game wants to strangle vivax if hes town. didnt see it this game. On April 08 2019 03:24 Tubesock wrote: Agreed Vivax just isn’t controversial. | ||
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Anything standing out as scummy with Pandain? or is it more the lack of anything towny? | ||
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On April 09 2019 16:01 Tumblewood wrote: k, I will jointhe latter. filter diving rn to get a better idea | ||
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can you do TS next please | ||
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If I didnt know any better, I woulda thought you were buddying up to me ;P | ||
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Are u an inquistor....? | ||
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On April 09 2019 19:53 Tubesock wrote: u townread me. Why does it matter?I do not understand your progression. From your filter prior to this, you speak of Palmar and Mig as scum. You don’t mention Vivax at all. Can you elaborate please? This is lazy filter dive like disfo and jock and ve. My opinion on game state on palmar and mig was commented prior. I always have to lay a vote 6hrs before deadline and wake up to next cycle. Just stop and think about what that means for a second.... I presume this is the end of this matter. | ||
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Palmar and vivax qere my mafia reads Vivax cos of his posting around that timestamp Why do i have to mentioned him before. Again. Lazy filter dive. I was occupied with palmar. U expect me dilute with vivax... Now its case closed | ||
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On April 09 2019 20:11 Tubesock wrote: so transparentI think Mocsta is scum. Not as solid as MiG tho. Will i get the joke but are u inferring im not being clear. Or just making a side comment? | ||
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On April 09 2019 20:14 Tubesock wrote: lol.. you realise the irony of your read flip on me, can apply equally to my read of vivax.I often have to miss eod. So when I leave, like presumably everyone else, we leave our vote on our biggest read. So I want to know why you scumread Vivax more so than everything you’ve said about Palmar and MiG. Letting go of this would be lazy. i already explained why palmar didnt get my vote. vivax is clearly there as my second. now, are you the inquisitor or not... | ||
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On April 09 2019 20:21 Holyflare wrote: Thanks, I appreciate the feedback. Or maybe it's because they contain like 8 different topics in one. I'm not quite sure but I've always found it confusing to read half your posts :D I have been wondering myself where ppl start losing me. I think a video helps me, cos theres so many avenues im looking at, so when writing a post, im not entirely sure myself what I want to distill down to. I've actually tried to be more specific in posting this game, and actually keep notes for the first time ever. Hence why I was annoyed to be even inferred scum. Unfortunately, the game I chose to make this committment, is the game with the most open-ended possibilities. FFS. I really don't see what the issue with the vivax vote is. Its day1. Anyone that had full confidence in their vote lynching scum is lying. I went on a gut lean and Im really expecting some kudos from Palmar there to be frank The thing is, 3 ppl have commented on it, 1 is flipped town. 1 is likely town, and the other is TBC. So its being blown up for some reason I just cant seem to understand. | ||
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#1595 Obstructive would have been telling u to get lost or flat out ignored I did my best to work with the pile of shit u threw at me As for inquisitor . I dunno. Perhaps its a town role. Eithe rway. U self admittedly stated u r focused on ya alt win con Lol.. presumably relating to anti town function So why shouldnt u be lynched is the question | ||
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On April 09 2019 21:02 VisceraEyes wrote: Did I miss something about a video? I remember you being fun to play with on Video, did you make a forum video like Palmar did? https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=27298917 | ||
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On April 09 2019 21:10 Tubesock wrote: whats not answered that isnt available in my filter. My points on sentinel are there.Go ahead and try. You haven’t answered any of my questions. Technically I guess one since you did say you voted Vivax because of his posts during that time stamp. So not much for me to go on as far as what you’re thinking. But none of my others. Last game Wafflecone as scum had all my same scumreads essentially. So while you and I agree on killing MiG, Vivax, and even Sentinel, I’d like to know your reasoning. Because reasoning matters. I didnt say i would vote for mig today but i have commented on my position on him. For someone "scum reading" me u r doing a really lazy job of reading my filter. Now if u took issue with my content i would be more compliant but im not going to parrot what can be f5'd P.s. cute attempt to divert attention from you playing to antitown wincon. Not gonna work on me though. Ur diversion if anything confirms that is indeed antitown | ||
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On April 09 2019 21:22 VisceraEyes wrote: OMG this video is going to be so amazing Lol i fake red checked the godfather | ||
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On April 09 2019 21:30 Holyflare wrote: yeah this.. majorlyAll the mafia just afk while we infight. There's literally 0 reason to ever recruit an active player to mafia when we're not lynching the lurkers and nobody is playing :D Sentinel / mig / vivax / palmar / damdred U could possibly include rayn but at least he posted | ||
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Thats more of a personal attribute vs a mafia/town tell | ||
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On April 09 2019 21:56 disformation wrote: any power role is blue hunting@hf: you think MiG might be the inqui? in my head the inqui would be more careful about reading stuff about roles n shit? i think the cultist would do the same to possibly recruit good roles. Cultist needs to avoid town kp targets Rest are chasing alt win con Mig could easily have been fixated on his night action outcome?? Like. I dunno why tubesock denies this possibility | ||
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On April 09 2019 22:02 VisceraEyes wrote: its not confirmedthe "Good Roles" the mafia could "recruit" seem to have caveats - i.e., they get a KP role but that KP role is removed once their SECONDARY win-con is fulfilled. It looks like it's the same with the non KP roles, they seem to have alternate win-cons to make them less appealing to the mafia team for recruiting. Why recruit someone who will just win on their own and leave the game? Are we sure recruiting is a thing? Like, is this based on the whole "appears to be growing" thing? I think I missed something big that PROVES a recruiter. People seem to be talking about it like it's a given. But tubesock fairly points out its likely given all the alt win con (i.e. day1 cultist lynch) Plus thrme tie in to growth of fibonacci | ||
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On April 09 2019 22:09 disformation wrote: wise manbut wouldnt he have flipped if he got removed from the game completely? Damn i didnt think of that I will pm hosts my vote q | ||
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On April 09 2019 22:34 KelsierSC wrote: Looks like you can't vote Grack Thnx that didnt register Such a weird way from host to confirm lol R u caught up? | ||
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On April 09 2019 22:47 KelsierSC wrote: if u r town. I dont think that approach will bode wellnope, still don't really get all this factional bullshit and work is busy etc. so i'll just vote whatever wagon seems good at EoD . This game is beyond my comprehension/commitment. I get the faction dynamics is tough and all of us are time poor however u r a lynch candidate and an open band wagon looks like u were cultist/mafia recruited I suggest u dive a couple ppl instead of openly bandwagoning. To help. Ppl of interest Mig Vivax Palmar Sentinel | ||
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On April 09 2019 23:02 KelsierSC wrote: really...Sentinel has the worst filter just based on length and content so probably a good choice. ##vote: [UoN]Sentinel What were some of the redeaming content in the other filters that sentinel was the obvious choice... | ||
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These arent reads based on current game dive? Im so conflicted...sigh I want to policy lynch u and thats a big deal coming from me | ||
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On April 09 2019 23:28 KelsierSC wrote: I'll have a proper read through tonight and give some actual effort with no complaints. deal? Deal. Assuming real time. Not game night 2 | ||
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Cut the crap U r not the roman mathematician And i stopped scum reading damdred yonks ago | ||
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On April 09 2019 23:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: youre right i just magically made up the exact real roman mathematician role before anyone of the other claimed mathematicians. I dont care anymore Yay u tilted me Im the roman receuiter I receuited u.. no qt opened I checked with hosts too I even crumbed in my reads post today and hinted it to u last night when i called u bbygurl u need me.... | ||
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Why would u receive a pm from host about who u looking for... That was not in eywa role description.... | ||
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On April 09 2019 23:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: again.. im thinking the same back to ui dunno why you traded at best 1-1 but i don't think that was a good idea. Its the only reason i havent voted u It makes no sense why u expect to receive a pm.. nor why u auto assume its from the recruiter No sense at all. Lol... like.. i crumbed n1 with intent to call u out d2. U cant win I even asked u d2 start if u got a qt cos i thought hosts forgot to send it to me... | ||
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On April 09 2019 23:45 VisceraEyes wrote: so i changed from u to raynrayn chill there's another mechanic in play. Mocsta just trying to tilt you. Sounds like both recruit attempts were duds | ||
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On April 09 2019 23:48 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm some sort of helper dude - I'm helping X find Y. I didn't target you though, I targeted Palmar. There's likely another helper dude who targeted you. Alternatively, I'm the only one and Palmar is some sort of hider or something. I get u want to keep faction secret But can u at least confirm if its ghe dame factions we know about Roman Hindu Inquisitor | ||
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On April 09 2019 23:50 VisceraEyes wrote: X is looking for Y. I target a player. That person recieves a clue to Y's identity, whether they are X or not. Sigh Its pointing to disfo.. part of the hf tw disfo ?grack? Person hunting game | ||
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Roleblock is possible but considering u didnt realise its me and was looking.. i dont see why scum would know | ||
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On April 09 2019 23:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: idk maybe scum jsut blueread you or something. do you think i basically made up the exact role (you know is legit) before anyone else? I havent voted u Im just acknowledging an importsnt puzzle piece is missing E.g. could cultist recruit overtake my recruit Could i be role blocked Could there be a bus driver (LOL!!!!!) Im still voting sentinel..n maybe ksc if his followup os shite Will recruit slam n2 | ||
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On April 10 2019 00:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: But we'll see, maybe we have two other mathematician claims today. Then i agree you have a case you should pursue Mocsta. Do you agree other Roman mathematicians should claim? Well assassin is dead It appears no risk to mathematician is out Would be more spite kill from mafia to prevent alt win con | ||
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I crumbed via ?? In that post And the past 2 pages lol | ||
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On April 10 2019 00:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Who cares when we dont even leave the game if we "win"? I agree when i said no risk to mathematician I was adding that so they can make their own informed judgement Its just slam though cos VE is something else Im.curious on tubesock role.. and whether he sent u the message | ||
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On April 10 2019 00:26 Holyflare wrote: No way are there 2 roman recruiters. ?? Who did u think it was? | ||
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On April 10 2019 00:42 Holyflare wrote: ??What do you mean? Who is telling the truth? No one else suggested two roman recruiters other than yourself ?? I took the comment to imply between me and another recruiter claim. One is lying. If you were referring to rayn. He hasnt claimed to be a recruiter. Ever. | ||
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On April 10 2019 00:47 Holyflare wrote: OH you tried to recruit rayn and he said he was roman but it didn't work. Got it. Wow.. it does work better when i write full sentences Thnx | ||
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On April 10 2019 00:49 Holyflare wrote: I am almost certain announcing your faction is a death sentence though so bit dumb on all accounts really. Inclusive of "non faction" At this point . Shalll we mod kill and i run a normal lol (Sorry hosts.. joke in poor taste.. (kinda)) | ||
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On April 10 2019 00:49 disformation wrote: there is also another possibility. not sure if it the best to claim, but my 2nd wincon prolly failed? Up to u Game really seema down to Sentinel ksc mig At rhis point Outside chance = palmar and maybe tubrsock / vivax | ||
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On April 10 2019 00:48 Holyflare wrote: i only get a qt if i recruit mathematicianI reckon rayn and palmar have been bussed. Can't recruit mafia palmar. Rayn a likely protect target. Explains ve thing and why recruit failed. Either rayn is mafia or a bus. Assassin pm.suggests multiple council members Based on flips. Only council is recruiter. Assassin council reference could be recruiter and recruited mathematicians Or... it could also be non-mathematician recruits (e.g. palmar) Meh Point ia. Notification is only via qt | ||
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On April 10 2019 01:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: disformation can you give me a hint of your role name because in my PM it says who sent the message so either i am town and it's no harm you hint me or i am mafia and i already know. Wtf This makes no sense when u first raised pm to vote me | ||
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On April 10 2019 01:08 disformation wrote: and now we go back to looking for scum, k? Tubesock is inquisition I dont understand this hider/helper thing Is it a smaller version of the assassin/recruiter game? Like if ksc is a pm target.. is he mafia or not? I dont get it Sentinel still looks good.. | ||
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On April 10 2019 01:12 disformation wrote: gut feeling onlyhow do you know tubesocks is inquisiton? i only know that i win if x collaborates with y and can give ppl hints as to who is y. he had a post talking about chasing his alt win con and got secretive quick Hider/helper had been out for a while. So its a new role. Inquistion fits the bill | ||
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this gonna be INTERESTING catchup! | ||
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On April 10 2019 05:18 Tubesock wrote: This explains why i found you "aloof" this game. BUT, it does not explain why I couldnt recruit Rayn to the roman councilWhelp. I either lost today or won, who knows. I bussed HF and Eywa. Didn’t townread Eywa. I had a post asking him about 4 questions and he never answered. I Also didn’t want him recruited because I thought I was to prevent collaboration between Fibonacci, Euclid, and Pythagoras. The Hindu/Arabic mathematician talk got me super nervous. I lightly townread HF, and thought he’d be the best NK, so hopefully he got shot and Eywa would die, and LS switched from claiming to recruit Damdred to Eywa, so I didn’t want that to happen at all. This collaboration talk in thread got me super nervous so I PM’d my guesses to mods. TW is Euclid, HF is Pyth, Grack is Fib. It actually started as a question, I wanted to know if I needed an earlier time stamp than the thread collaboration. I’m 3p, don’t win with either. As long as none of the three collaborate by endgame I win. Doesn’t even look like I need to survive. | ||
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On April 10 2019 01:10 Mocsta wrote: Tubesock is inquisition On April 10 2019 05:24 Tubesock wrote: LOL FTRSorry I am the Inguisitor. | ||
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I dont really care at this point KSC power seems so different to others Im inclined to think its scum-esque. Im still happy with a lynch on Sentinel. Ciao | ||
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On April 10 2019 14:57 Pandain wrote: YesMocsta did you ever claim? I dont understand the vivax post Until someone explains how this aint towny.. i dunno why he is a priority over shitballs in town On April 08 2019 04:05 Vivax wrote: I hate games with recruiters, the better you play the more likely it is they just change your alignment and reverse your progress. Eywa how does it make sense for you to win just by being recruited by scum? I have a hard time believing that a role would work like that. Look, i dont agree with the logic, cos the better you play, the more likely you are NK. But regardless its just not scum mindset to throw this out there. | ||
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need to finish my summary post before giving this more thought. | ||
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On April 10 2019 15:08 Pandain wrote: I jsut dived and didnt see this explcitly statedThe biggest reason is he claimed he doesn't have an alt win-con. can you confirm post please | ||
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Recruiter = Lightning Strike Assassin = Meapak_Ziphh Math 1 = Eywa- Math2 = ? Damdred ? Roman Recruiter = Mocsta Assassin = Fecalfeast Math 1 = Raynpelikoneet *PUZZLE: Mocsta #recruit failed N1* Math2 = Slam Anti-Inquisition Poisoner = Jock Inquistion Bus-Driver = Tubesock *BUSSED HF + Eywa-* Named Mathematician - Assume 3P Fibonacci = Mig - > Seeking Pythagoras Fib. PI = Pandain *N1 msg Raynpelikoneet Pythagoras = Holyflare -> Seeking Euclid Pyt. PI = VisceraEyes *N1 msg Palmar Euclid = Tumblewood (Among Damdred voters) - > Seeking Fibonacci Euc. PI = Disformation Lovers ?? = KSC *N1 jailkeeps Grack into a QT* REMAINING - Assume 1 of the 4 is KSC alt lover. Leaving 3 mafia Grackaoroni [red[UoN]Sentinel Vivax Palmar[/red] | ||
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On April 11 2019 07:17 disformation wrote: Well, starting scum = Vivax, Palmar, KSCbut how did he get converted through the being removed thing? apparently ksc didnt lie about the lovers. Vivax is aware of Grack lover role in PM. KSC is the scum cultist, so knows of grackeroni via Vivax. Palmar is the 3rd as he is the "diplomat" | ||
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On April 11 2019 07:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: So me, slam and mocsta have won so slam / mocsta if youre mafia just claim your team. You have won already. No this is retarded. I win if the mathematicians are RECRUITED. Palmar blocked you, so I need 2 more nights to win. sigh. | ||
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On April 11 2019 08:13 Mocsta wrote: weird cultist recruiting mechanic if target disappears for a cycle.Well, starting scum = Vivax, Palmar, KSC Vivax is aware of Grack lover role in PM. KSC is the scum cultist, so knows of grackeroni via Vivax. Palmar is the 3rd as he is the "diplomat" Something else is missing. Either way, FF can only kill if they are on the HINDU council. So he has no vig capability. | ||
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On April 11 2019 08:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: I know, thats why its annoyingWell me and slam have won because we win if hindu council is dead and they are. In fairness, yours is out of ya control, so makes sense you get a couple. Fuckn Palmar.. I coulda won tonight as well. | ||
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I have won I think this has been one of my better town games, shame it had to be a clusterfuck game. | ||
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On April 11 2019 08:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: ? I didnt suggest you wereYou realise why its fucking idiotic if we (or FF) were mafia? | ||
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Fuckn hillarious Please keep going. proTip sentinel, we have about 8 flips on p123 I think. | ||
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Palmar rb me n1 My role was that transparent? | ||
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Execution was smooth And yeah. Twas themed. So meh Should lynched palmar day1 as per my aweaome case | ||
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On April 15 2019 22:39 Palmar wrote: Your perception of events is an over stretch by some margin mr palmar.You don't get to claim an awesome case unless you read me correctly as town last game and mafia this one. So no prize for you my friend. Calling me mafia every game until you're right is not an achievement. I appreciate your contribution though. Im curious: Why RB me? Was my role that obvious? | ||
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On April 15 2019 22:56 Holyflare wrote: Dont forget TWO recruits on N1.Recruiting wasn't carried by anyone but you worded the PMs to make it look like it was by a specific role :D Lol Its tough, the mechanics were SUPER swingy. e.g. if the named mathematicians were converted and fell out the game, suddenly, scum # would drop by some margin. In our case it was opposite, and town # plummeted. | ||
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I dont share your point of view, but your point is clear: A broken clock is still right twice a day. Having said that: My case this game was based on your posts THIS game referring to Damdred THIS game. I suggest my biggest fault was not pushing the Palmar read harder, vs, having voted you in the previous game. I also think I played a lot better this game than last. So I'm happy. I'm glad you said next time. Its always more fun when Palmar is in the mix | ||
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