On March 03 2019 05:17 Tumblewood wrote: ok i have finally caught up. herein lies the deal: + Show Spoiler [acrofales] +
On March 02 2019 16:17 Acrofales wrote: I just started reading and 3 pages in stopped again. From this point onwards, I will be operating on a lynch all liars policy, because holy shit, mafia claims are the dumbest things I have ever seen. So yeah. Claim mafia beyond this point and I'll assume it's the truth. I also refuse to read anything else up to here, unless someone specifically points me somewhere in the first 23 pages worth reading.
Now can we keep the postcount reasonable? This isn't a mini, and I'm going sailing all weekend and have a deadline on Monday.
On March 02 2019 17:14 rsoultin wrote: It means you're doing the things you know I look for when I'm trying to get a read on you, which you've admitted to doing as mafia when I'm in a game. So while it makes me want to townread you I can't be as sure as I'd like to be :/
It's mostly tonal with Trfel. Seems really stiff at the start of the game with LS, even disregarding the smilies. There's a caveat here that I think will work itself out before EoD, though.
i like the caveat part of this post because it shows some real gears turning behind the reads. everything else from her has been whatever (i will be interested eventually in what the caveat is)
the way he entered the thread paints a target on his back in such a pointless and ridiculous way that it seems unlikely from mafia. however i hate it so i will be postponing townread until actual contribution
On March 02 2019 10:01 Trfel wrote: Hi, I am mafia
Cool who are your buddies?
Can't you just check the QT?
Also, to unvote in the mayor election you unmayor someone? That sounds pretty crazy xD And before anyone asks the inevitable question, there are seven mafia in the game, so we don't have to argue about it, cool?
No self respecting town person reads setup.
You're mafia.
This is outstanding analysis and I agree with it 100%
Meh, HF's post is NAI for me (seems more like a general poke, than a real accusation) but my gut really seems to think Meap is mafia all the more for this.
On March 02 2019 10:08 Fecalfeast wrote: Vote me for mayor. I will be the arbiter of truth and justice
But how do we know that you're town here?
For anyone to know that I'm town at this point, that person would have to be scum. I'm here to find scum and lynch them, not prove that I'm town by any means that aren't incidental to my stated goals.
Do you know if youre town?
This is prob just kus Rayn and I have very different personalities/outlooks, but these sort of questions bug me. It's really an accusation that FF is slipping that he is actually mafia, but it's very implied that FF means "anyone else" as he is unlikely to be thinking about his own position. So probably just a weak poke from Rayn, but I dislike. Mostly kus what sort of response do you expect from this question? How can it help you?
Meap seems very Mafia to me on this page, he even does this "Guide me Senpai" thing with HF that I hate. + Show Spoiler +
On March 02 2019 10:01 Trfel wrote: Hi, I am mafia
Cool who are your buddies?
Can't you just check the QT?
Also, to unvote in the mayor election you unmayor someone? That sounds pretty crazy xD And before anyone asks the inevitable question, there are seven mafia in the game, so we don't have to argue about it, cool?
No self respecting town person reads setup.
You're mafia.
He already claimed mafia though didn't you read the opening of the game?
No self respecting townie reads the whole thread.
Sheeeeiiiit this is more quality analysis I can get behind
Is lightingstrike scum too HF?
Gut wants me to vote Meap, so vote Meap I shall.
the commentary on meapak is just not good. i have no idea how he gets a scumread out of the first quoted post, and the second is strange because he attributes HF's post as a likely joke but not meapak's even though he is just affirming HF's joke. also the fact that this is labeled as a gut read despite giving reasoning anyway. i do like this though:
On March 02 2019 14:44 Tictock wrote: Willing to give solid townleans on Trefl and LS, and a minor townlean on Damdred thus far. I've also got a bit of a gutread on FF at this point, but I'm not sharing it yet.
i came into this thinking i was gonna make a scum case on him but after actually reading the rest of his walls of text i'm not feeling it anymore. nothing else gives me the sketchy feeling
he seems very image conscious in his posts on meapak
On March 02 2019 11:13 Jockmcplop wrote: Is it me or is meapak throwing suspicion around without actually trying to get any information? Looks like that is the only story of the last couple of pages
On March 03 2019 03:39 Jockmcplop wrote: I don't wanna be focusing all on one guy but MZ is contradicting himself again while bringing up the same old discussion that derailed the first 2 pages.
On March 02 2019 20:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Jockmcplop can you explain to me why you don't have a read on me (or whatever sticks out means here?) when my top scumread atm is your top scumread for basically the same reasons which i stated before you did?
I think its your posting style more than anything. Our reads are the same but that doesn't mean anything if you're being objective about it. Instinctively I read you very town but something about the way you post bugs me enough to want to see a bit more before I read.
i feel that there is a though process going on behind this. this places jock merely on the watch list
in summary acro and jock are scumleans, everyone else listed is either townlean or town
So I'm under suspicion for my tone, rather than the content of my posts?
i don't think i would call it tone exactly. it's how conscious you are of what other people will think of your alignment while you are stating your reads.
Why'd you make a list so early? Trying to look good?
On March 02 2019 10:01 Trfel wrote: Hi, I am mafia
Cool who are your buddies?
Can't you just check the QT?
Also, to unvote in the mayor election you unmayor someone? That sounds pretty crazy xD And before anyone asks the inevitable question, there are seven mafia in the game, so we don't have to argue about it, cool?
No self respecting town person reads setup.
You're mafia.
This is outstanding analysis and I agree with it 100%
Meh, HF's post is NAI for me (seems more like a general poke, than a real accusation) but my gut really seems to think Meap is mafia all the more for this.
On March 02 2019 10:08 Fecalfeast wrote: Vote me for mayor. I will be the arbiter of truth and justice
But how do we know that you're town here?
For anyone to know that I'm town at this point, that person would have to be scum. I'm here to find scum and lynch them, not prove that I'm town by any means that aren't incidental to my stated goals.
Do you know if youre town?
This is prob just kus Rayn and I have very different personalities/outlooks, but these sort of questions bug me. It's really an accusation that FF is slipping that he is actually mafia, but it's very implied that FF means "anyone else" as he is unlikely to be thinking about his own position. So probably just a weak poke from Rayn, but I dislike. Mostly kus what sort of response do you expect from this question? How can it help you?
Meap seems very Mafia to me on this page, he even does this "Guide me Senpai" thing with HF that I hate. + Show Spoiler +
On March 02 2019 10:01 Trfel wrote: Hi, I am mafia
Cool who are your buddies?
Can't you just check the QT?
Also, to unvote in the mayor election you unmayor someone? That sounds pretty crazy xD And before anyone asks the inevitable question, there are seven mafia in the game, so we don't have to argue about it, cool?
No self respecting town person reads setup.
You're mafia.
He already claimed mafia though didn't you read the opening of the game?
No self respecting townie reads the whole thread.
Sheeeeiiiit this is more quality analysis I can get behind
On March 02 2019 11:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am still wondering why Meapak clinged onto LS' post on not being masons with Damdred since given his attitude towards Trfel and Conversion Damdred's post of being masons should be 100% more concerning to him.
I'm not sure I follow this without backtracking alot, and while I am reading and posting I am still naturally lazy...
At least this smells like Rayn style game-solving so I will leave him be to do his thing.
On March 02 2019 11:07 Chezinu wrote: You know... it doesn't seem like an end of the world party without someone getting nuked..
I too kinda wish this was a GreyMist (I hope I am remembering his name right) style, crazy theme game, but realistically that is a shitton to ask of any host. I can be content with the work Kita has put into pushing for and hosting a 35 person game.
On March 02 2019 11:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am still wondering why Meapak clinged onto LS' post on not being masons with Damdred since given his attitude towards Trfel and Conversion Damdred's post of being masons should be 100% more concerning to him.
I find LS to be oddly apologetic with his play rn, Damdred didn't claim scum (which I view as inherently anti town) so I don't really care about his play, I just find it weird that LS wanted to blow it up so fast.
This is what I'm talking about when I say "apologetic"
On March 02 2019 10:33 LightningStrike wrote: Me and Damdred aren't masons even though I wish we were masons
Y u say this?
Because I speakign the truth? I wish I could be masoned with Damdred one of these games.
LS can be a hard player to read, but all these posts are honest sadness that people are starting to play for real and not just joke around and shoot the breeze as many recent games have started.
Not saying I have some kinda God-Read on him or anything, but that is how I try to and what I get from those posts.
On March 02 2019 11:13 Jockmcplop wrote: Is it me or is meapak throwing suspicion around without actually trying to get any information? Looks like that is the only story of the last couple of pages
It's not just you. I am however having a hard time reading Jock thus far, my gut read on his feels townish but posts like this feel like he is trying to blend. Must keep an eye out and try not to forget he exists.
Feeling better about Rayn after this page.
Grack is around the same place as Jock for me at this point.
On March 02 2019 16:17 Acrofales wrote: I just started reading and 3 pages in stopped again. From this point onwards, I will be operating on a lynch all liars policy, because holy shit, mafia claims are the dumbest things I have ever seen. So yeah. Claim mafia beyond this point and I'll assume it's the truth. I also refuse to read anything else up to here, unless someone specifically points me somewhere in the first 23 pages worth reading.
Now can we keep the postcount reasonable? This isn't a mini, and I'm going sailing all weekend and have a deadline on Monday.
On March 02 2019 20:33 Holyflare wrote: If anyone cares my reads align with rsoul. I think. Chez suspicious. Guy posting catch ups was it trfel? Seemed mediocre and not any revelations. Iamp piggybacking me suspicious. Don't care if I like what he's said about people non-posting. That's easy to do.
Didn't like rayn that much tbh. He seems to not be saying much but talking in walls of text and circles.
I dunno I'm sorry I'm a bit shit right now but whatever.
On March 03 2019 02:10 Ace wrote: I think we should nominate someone who has barely posted yet as Mayor. There are a lot of thoughts already posted that could help us draw conclusions based on conversations.
Giving a semi-lurking/lurking player lynch power and forcing them into the game seems like a good move to me. So a player like Tumblewood or tubesock should be nominated (they've barely posted from a cursory filter check).
On March 03 2019 05:15 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I'd like to survive long enough to figure out my role so I'm going to disagree with the Sentinel Policy Lynch
On March 03 2019 05:17 Tumblewood wrote: ok i have finally caught up. herein lies the deal: + Show Spoiler [acrofales] +
On March 02 2019 16:17 Acrofales wrote: I just started reading and 3 pages in stopped again. From this point onwards, I will be operating on a lynch all liars policy, because holy shit, mafia claims are the dumbest things I have ever seen. So yeah. Claim mafia beyond this point and I'll assume it's the truth. I also refuse to read anything else up to here, unless someone specifically points me somewhere in the first 23 pages worth reading.
Now can we keep the postcount reasonable? This isn't a mini, and I'm going sailing all weekend and have a deadline on Monday.
On March 02 2019 17:14 rsoultin wrote: It means you're doing the things you know I look for when I'm trying to get a read on you, which you've admitted to doing as mafia when I'm in a game. So while it makes me want to townread you I can't be as sure as I'd like to be :/
It's mostly tonal with Trfel. Seems really stiff at the start of the game with LS, even disregarding the smilies. There's a caveat here that I think will work itself out before EoD, though.
i like the caveat part of this post because it shows some real gears turning behind the reads. everything else from her has been whatever (i will be interested eventually in what the caveat is)
the way he entered the thread paints a target on his back in such a pointless and ridiculous way that it seems unlikely from mafia. however i hate it so i will be postponing townread until actual contribution
On March 02 2019 10:01 Trfel wrote: Hi, I am mafia
Cool who are your buddies?
Can't you just check the QT?
Also, to unvote in the mayor election you unmayor someone? That sounds pretty crazy xD And before anyone asks the inevitable question, there are seven mafia in the game, so we don't have to argue about it, cool?
No self respecting town person reads setup.
You're mafia.
This is outstanding analysis and I agree with it 100%
Meh, HF's post is NAI for me (seems more like a general poke, than a real accusation) but my gut really seems to think Meap is mafia all the more for this.
On March 02 2019 10:08 Fecalfeast wrote: Vote me for mayor. I will be the arbiter of truth and justice
But how do we know that you're town here?
For anyone to know that I'm town at this point, that person would have to be scum. I'm here to find scum and lynch them, not prove that I'm town by any means that aren't incidental to my stated goals.
Do you know if youre town?
This is prob just kus Rayn and I have very different personalities/outlooks, but these sort of questions bug me. It's really an accusation that FF is slipping that he is actually mafia, but it's very implied that FF means "anyone else" as he is unlikely to be thinking about his own position. So probably just a weak poke from Rayn, but I dislike. Mostly kus what sort of response do you expect from this question? How can it help you?
Meap seems very Mafia to me on this page, he even does this "Guide me Senpai" thing with HF that I hate. + Show Spoiler +
On March 02 2019 10:01 Trfel wrote: Hi, I am mafia
Cool who are your buddies?
Can't you just check the QT?
Also, to unvote in the mayor election you unmayor someone? That sounds pretty crazy xD And before anyone asks the inevitable question, there are seven mafia in the game, so we don't have to argue about it, cool?
No self respecting town person reads setup.
You're mafia.
He already claimed mafia though didn't you read the opening of the game?
No self respecting townie reads the whole thread.
Sheeeeiiiit this is more quality analysis I can get behind
Is lightingstrike scum too HF?
Gut wants me to vote Meap, so vote Meap I shall.
the commentary on meapak is just not good. i have no idea how he gets a scumread out of the first quoted post, and the second is strange because he attributes HF's post as a likely joke but not meapak's even though he is just affirming HF's joke. also the fact that this is labeled as a gut read despite giving reasoning anyway. i do like this though:
On March 02 2019 14:44 Tictock wrote: Willing to give solid townleans on Trefl and LS, and a minor townlean on Damdred thus far. I've also got a bit of a gutread on FF at this point, but I'm not sharing it yet.
i came into this thinking i was gonna make a scum case on him but after actually reading the rest of his walls of text i'm not feeling it anymore. nothing else gives me the sketchy feeling
he seems very image conscious in his posts on meapak
On March 02 2019 11:13 Jockmcplop wrote: Is it me or is meapak throwing suspicion around without actually trying to get any information? Looks like that is the only story of the last couple of pages
On March 03 2019 03:39 Jockmcplop wrote: I don't wanna be focusing all on one guy but MZ is contradicting himself again while bringing up the same old discussion that derailed the first 2 pages.
On March 02 2019 20:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Jockmcplop can you explain to me why you don't have a read on me (or whatever sticks out means here?) when my top scumread atm is your top scumread for basically the same reasons which i stated before you did?
I think its your posting style more than anything. Our reads are the same but that doesn't mean anything if you're being objective about it. Instinctively I read you very town but something about the way you post bugs me enough to want to see a bit more before I read.
i feel that there is a though process going on behind this. this places jock merely on the watch list
in summary acro and jock are scumleans, everyone else listed is either townlean or town
So I'm under suspicion for my tone, rather than the content of my posts?
i don't think i would call it tone exactly. it's how conscious you are of what other people will think of your alignment while you are stating your reads.
Why'd you make a list so early? Trying to look good?
well i wanted to state my new reads, and i didn't want to make separate posts for all of them, so i put them all in 1 post instead
i mean like cmon buddy why arent you voting for yourself as mayor?
On March 03 2019 04:05 Tubesock wrote: There isn’t anyone I want to lynch.
If I were mayor I’d sheep Holyflare most likely for the 2nd lynch.
I'm thinking I'd like to lynch you!
Or are you making this guy mayor, Ace?
That’s fair. I can vote HF for mayor sure. I don’t see how you could get me wanting Ace mayor out of what I said.
You were one of the two names Ace threw out to make someone non-contributing mayor.
Figure you're reading closely enough to say what you'd do as mayor, which no one else had mentioned but Ace, but still don't want to put forward an opinion about anyone.
Reads scummy to me.
When I have a lynch target I’ll let everyone one know. Do you want an opinion from me?
Am I and Conversion your only scumreads? Who do you want for mayor and why?
Yeah, I'd like to see some sort of contribution from you. What makes you want to support HF for mayor? Is it a scumread on Sentinel or some kind of policy lynch? You don't make that clear.
I'm cool lynching scummy people just trying to coast by on the first day without needing to stick their necks out too much. That's people like you so far, and Conversion who's re-hashing the same argument with MZ instead of moving to anything else. Guys like Acrofales and and Sent fall into this bucket for me right now too.
I'm not super thrilled with any of the mayoral candidates so far. I like HF the most from the people who've thrown their hat in since some of our reads jive. Disagree with him about Chez, his play seems par for the course from what I remember.
On March 03 2019 06:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Oats I'd love for you to elaborate on those reads. Some of them I obviously agree with but I'm curious how you got to where you are.
On March 03 2019 02:10 Ace wrote: I think we should nominate someone who has barely posted yet as Mayor. There are a lot of thoughts already posted that could help us draw conclusions based on conversations.
Giving a semi-lurking/lurking player lynch power and forcing them into the game seems like a good move to me. So a player like Tumblewood or tubesock should be nominated (they've barely posted from a cursory filter check).
Why the fuck would you want to do this. I was planning to sheep you all game and you come up with an utter garbage plan?!
Non-posters are either not playing the game and don't have an opinion of their own. Hell, they might not even send in the lynch. Or they're scum and lynch a townie.
Are you scum, or just not thinking?! Ace, you're disappointing me
Nice giving him an out Acro, gj supporting your teammate
On March 02 2019 16:17 Acrofales wrote: I just started reading and 3 pages in stopped again. From this point onwards, I will be operating on a lynch all liars policy, because holy shit, mafia claims are the dumbest things I have ever seen. So yeah. Claim mafia beyond this point and I'll assume it's the truth. I also refuse to read anything else up to here, unless someone specifically points me somewhere in the first 23 pages worth reading.
Now can we keep the postcount reasonable? This isn't a mini, and I'm going sailing all weekend and have a deadline on Monday.
On March 03 2019 06:20 Holyflare wrote: Only oatmaster could simultaneously call the guy I scum read mafia and then think that I'm mafia in the space of a post. Funny guy.
only hf can assume theres one mafia team in a game with 30 players
On March 03 2019 06:20 Holyflare wrote: Only oatmaster could simultaneously call the guy I scum read mafia and then think that I'm mafia in the space of a post. Funny guy.
only hf can assume theres one mafia team in a game with 30 players
No, it just makes it obvious you haven't read the thread carefully enough to piece together coherent reads and are just throwing whatever you can in the open in the hopes something sticks. Pretty scummy oats tactic.
On March 03 2019 06:16 Oatsmaster wrote: mocsta posted one post and peaced ~~ possibly town,
iamp is putting in way too much effort to be town
tictock is reaching real far for their reads
Acro actually is a lawyer and lawyers should be lynched cause they are bad men
HF too serious to be town
Ace actually posted the worst idea ive ever seen what was that nonsense
These are... not great reasons lol.
I also don't like iamp but more because of his useless posting. Acro and HF are town for me. I wanted to hear more about your conversion read but after seeing this post I'm not so sure I want to be disappointed again.
On March 03 2019 06:16 Oatsmaster wrote: mocsta posted one post and peaced ~~ possibly town,
iamp is putting in way too much effort to be town
tictock is reaching real far for their reads
Acro actually is a lawyer and lawyers should be lynched cause they are bad men
HF too serious to be town
Ace actually posted the worst idea ive ever seen what was that nonsense
Actually I have filter dived myself and on top of it being a trash start to my filter it is amazingly not serious in the slightest.
What an awful awful awful read.
##vote oatsmaster
Anyone else feel free to do the same and read page 1 of my filter. If you can in good conscience say I'm too serious then don't bother following the vote, you're illiterate anyway and won't be able to follow this post.
On March 02 2019 16:17 Acrofales wrote: I just started reading and 3 pages in stopped again. From this point onwards, I will be operating on a lynch all liars policy, because holy shit, mafia claims are the dumbest things I have ever seen. So yeah. Claim mafia beyond this point and I'll assume it's the truth. I also refuse to read anything else up to here, unless someone specifically points me somewhere in the first 23 pages worth reading.
Now can we keep the postcount reasonable? This isn't a mini, and I'm going sailing all weekend and have a deadline on Monday.
Thanks.
Acrofales, the townie.
only lawyers sign their emails
1) This is a forum post, not an email.
2) No. Lots of people do. Including me and many of my fellow computer scientists
3) Is this conversation going anywhere? What in gods name are you doing?
Accusing you of being a bad man, what does it look like
On March 03 2019 06:39 Holyflare wrote: If you don't comment on a really obvious inconsistency I'll be sad.
I agree Oatsmaster's play has been quite subpar so far, and I agree that his assessment of your play this game is awful. However maybe I'm wrong in this but I don't feel like his play is mafia-motivated at all. I don't really think mafia would want to enter the thread late and use a bunch of garbage reasons to push suspicion at people, including people like you who are quite likely to respond and respond with a lot of weight. It would be an exceptionally stupid move.
Maybe it's dumb but that makes me actually not want to lynch Oatsmaster right now. Or was there something else you were referring to?
On March 03 2019 06:39 Holyflare wrote: Vote oats.
I mean yeah, it struck me as dead wrong when he said it, too. And you latching onto this makes me even happier about my townread on you, but what makes him scum rather than bad?
What I personally find more curious is he was quoting the voting thread but then his reads didn't seem to have anything to do with people voting?
On March 03 2019 07:11 Acrofales wrote: I got to the bit where Oats starts shitting up the thread with random reads. What's the point Oats? Why just throw names out? Also, I think you called everybody in the thread except Mocsta scum... and you called him town off an utterly useless post. You padding your filter so people go like "wow, 40 pages. Must be town" when it's 40 pages of complete trash?
On March 03 2019 06:39 Holyflare wrote: Vote oats.
I mean yeah, it struck me as dead wrong when he said it, too. And you latching onto this makes me even happier about my townread on you, but what makes him scum rather than bad?
What I personally find more curious is he was quoting the voting thread but then his reads didn't seem to have anything to do with people voting?
???????????????????
She's talking about when you quoted all of our votes and called us scum.
On March 02 2019 20:33 Holyflare wrote: If anyone cares my reads align with rsoul. I think. Chez suspicious. Guy posting catch ups was it trfel? Seemed mediocre and not any revelations. Iamp piggybacking me suspicious. Don't care if I like what he's said about people non-posting. That's easy to do.
Didn't like rayn that much tbh. He seems to not be saying much but talking in walls of text and circles.
I dunno I'm sorry I'm a bit shit right now but whatever.
On March 02 2019 20:33 Holyflare wrote: If anyone cares my reads align with rsoul. I think. Chez suspicious. Guy posting catch ups was it trfel? Seemed mediocre and not any revelations. Iamp piggybacking me suspicious. Don't care if I like what he's said about people non-posting. That's easy to do.
Didn't like rayn that much tbh. He seems to not be saying much but talking in walls of text and circles.
I dunno I'm sorry I'm a bit shit right now but whatever.
This was tt not trfel. Just exacerbates my read now tbh.
On March 03 2019 03:59 Holyflare wrote: I will lynch sentinel this cycle with a mayor vote by the way. Not only are his posts pointless blending but if you want an excuse for a policy lynch he is it.
On March 03 2019 04:20 Holyflare wrote: Don't really get any of the rayn town reads. He's a complete non entity.
On March 03 2019 03:59 Holyflare wrote: I will lynch sentinel this cycle with a mayor vote by the way. Not only are his posts pointless blending but if you want an excuse for a policy lynch he is it.
A good ploicy lynch yes but would rather lynch a for certain scum though over policy lynching someone.
It's only a policy lynch if you ignore the fact he pops in every so often to say nothing. He also said he's town and then said he didn't read role pm.
Classic mafia trait to feel the need to post and have no influence to the thread whatsoever.
On March 03 2019 04:05 Tubesock wrote: There isn’t anyone I want to lynch.
If I were mayor I’d sheep Holyflare most likely for the 2nd lynch.
I'm thinking I'd like to lynch you!
Or are you making this guy mayor, Ace?
That’s fair. I can vote HF for mayor sure. I don’t see how you could get me wanting Ace mayor out of what I said.
You were one of the two names Ace threw out to make someone non-contributing mayor.
Figure you're reading closely enough to say what you'd do as mayor, which no one else had mentioned but Ace, but still don't want to put forward an opinion about anyone.
Reads scummy to me.
When I have a lynch target I’ll let everyone one know. Do you want an opinion from me?
Am I and Conversion your only scumreads? Who do you want for mayor and why?
Yeah, I'd like to see some sort of contribution from you. What makes you want to support HF for mayor? Is it a scumread on Sentinel or some kind of policy lynch? You don't make that clear.
I'm cool lynching scummy people just trying to coast by on the first day without needing to stick their necks out too much. That's people like you so far, and Conversion who's re-hashing the same argument with MZ instead of moving to anything else. Guys like Acrofales and and Sent fall into this bucket for me right now too.
I'm not super thrilled with any of the mayoral candidates so far. I like HF the most from the people who've thrown their hat in since some of our reads jive. Disagree with him about Chez, his play seems par for the course from what I remember.
Chezinu has given far too many reads and seems threatened in comparison to normal. That is my qualm with him. Normally he gives absolutely no shits and does what he wants.
On March 03 2019 07:26 Holyflare wrote: That's... Not great mz. Rsoultin even pointed out those reads don't even align with who he called scum from the vote thread yet you ignored those points and haven't weighed in on oats but instead defer back to pointless rehashing 3 you want to lynch?
I did weigh in on oats. I recognized his reads were different between the two posts which is why I talked about wanting to hear more on his conversion read.
On March 03 2019 06:16 Oatsmaster wrote: mocsta posted one post and peaced ~~ possibly town,
iamp is putting in way too much effort to be town
tictock is reaching real far for their reads
Acro actually is a lawyer and lawyers should be lynched cause they are bad men
HF too serious to be town
Ace actually posted the worst idea ive ever seen what was that nonsense
Actually I have filter dived myself and on top of it being a trash start to my filter it is amazingly not serious in the slightest.
What an awful awful awful read.
##vote oatsmaster
Anyone else feel free to do the same and read page 1 of my filter. If you can in good conscience say I'm too serious then don't bother following the vote, you're illiterate anyway and won't be able to follow this post.
On March 02 2019 20:33 Holyflare wrote: If anyone cares my reads align with rsoul. I think. Chez suspicious. Guy posting catch ups was it trfel? Seemed mediocre and not any revelations. Iamp piggybacking me suspicious. Don't care if I like what he's said about people non-posting. That's easy to do.
Didn't like rayn that much tbh. He seems to not be saying much but talking in walls of text and circles.
I dunno I'm sorry I'm a bit shit right now but whatever.
On March 03 2019 01:42 Holyflare wrote:
On March 02 2019 20:33 Holyflare wrote: If anyone cares my reads align with rsoul. I think. Chez suspicious. Guy posting catch ups was it trfel? Seemed mediocre and not any revelations. Iamp piggybacking me suspicious. Don't care if I like what he's said about people non-posting. That's easy to do.
Didn't like rayn that much tbh. He seems to not be saying much but talking in walls of text and circles.
I dunno I'm sorry I'm a bit shit right now but whatever.
This was tt not trfel. Just exacerbates my read now tbh.
On March 03 2019 03:59 Holyflare wrote: I will lynch sentinel this cycle with a mayor vote by the way. Not only are his posts pointless blending but if you want an excuse for a policy lynch he is it.
On March 03 2019 04:20 Holyflare wrote: Don't really get any of the rayn town reads. He's a complete non entity.
On March 03 2019 05:12 Holyflare wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:54 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 03 2019 03:59 Holyflare wrote: I will lynch sentinel this cycle with a mayor vote by the way. Not only are his posts pointless blending but if you want an excuse for a policy lynch he is it.
A good ploicy lynch yes but would rather lynch a for certain scum though over policy lynching someone.
It's only a policy lynch if you ignore the fact he pops in every so often to say nothing. He also said he's town and then said he didn't read role pm.
Classic mafia trait to feel the need to post and have no influence to the thread whatsoever.
On March 03 2019 06:19 Holyflare wrote:
On March 03 2019 06:01 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:41 Tubesock wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:25 Tubesock wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:05 Tubesock wrote: There isn’t anyone I want to lynch.
If I were mayor I’d sheep Holyflare most likely for the 2nd lynch.
I'm thinking I'd like to lynch you!
Or are you making this guy mayor, Ace?
That’s fair. I can vote HF for mayor sure. I don’t see how you could get me wanting Ace mayor out of what I said.
You were one of the two names Ace threw out to make someone non-contributing mayor.
Figure you're reading closely enough to say what you'd do as mayor, which no one else had mentioned but Ace, but still don't want to put forward an opinion about anyone.
Reads scummy to me.
When I have a lynch target I’ll let everyone one know. Do you want an opinion from me?
Am I and Conversion your only scumreads? Who do you want for mayor and why?
Yeah, I'd like to see some sort of contribution from you. What makes you want to support HF for mayor? Is it a scumread on Sentinel or some kind of policy lynch? You don't make that clear.
I'm cool lynching scummy people just trying to coast by on the first day without needing to stick their necks out too much. That's people like you so far, and Conversion who's re-hashing the same argument with MZ instead of moving to anything else. Guys like Acrofales and and Sent fall into this bucket for me right now too.
I'm not super thrilled with any of the mayoral candidates so far. I like HF the most from the people who've thrown their hat in since some of our reads jive. Disagree with him about Chez, his play seems par for the course from what I remember.
Chezinu has given far too many reads and seems threatened in comparison to normal. That is my qualm with him. Normally he gives absolutely no shits and does what he wants.
These are all quality posts what's your point?
oh wait i thought you said your filter was not serious at all hmmmmmmmmm
On March 03 2019 07:26 Holyflare wrote: That's... Not great mz. Rsoultin even pointed out those reads don't even align with who he called scum from the vote thread yet you ignored those points and haven't weighed in on oats but instead defer back to pointless rehashing 3 you want to lynch?
I did weigh in on oats. I recognized his reads were different between the two posts which is why I talked about wanting to hear more on his conversion read.
WHERE IS IT DIFFERENT MZ
Here I color coded it. Green are the reads you address in both posts, red is the discrepancy
On March 03 2019 07:26 Holyflare wrote: That's... Not great mz. Rsoultin even pointed out those reads don't even align with who he called scum from the vote thread yet you ignored those points and haven't weighed in on oats but instead defer back to pointless rehashing 3 you want to lynch?
I did weigh in on oats. I recognized his reads were different between the two posts which is why I talked about wanting to hear more on his conversion read.
On March 03 2019 07:26 Holyflare wrote: That's... Not great mz. Rsoultin even pointed out those reads don't even align with who he called scum from the vote thread yet you ignored those points and haven't weighed in on oats but instead defer back to pointless rehashing 3 you want to lynch?
I did weigh in on oats. I recognized his reads were different between the two posts which is why I talked about wanting to hear more on his conversion read.
WHERE IS IT DIFFERENT MZ
Here I color coded it. Green are the reads you address in both posts, red is the discrepancy
On March 03 2019 05:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 02 2019 14:30 Tictock wrote: ##Vote: Meapak_Ziphh
On March 02 2019 16:29 sicklucker wrote: ##vote Acrofales
On March 02 2019 17:35 rsoultin wrote: ##Mayor: iamperfection ##vote: Chezinu
On March 02 2019 23:07 Grackaroni wrote: ##Mayor: Vivax
On March 03 2019 02:10 Ace wrote: ##Mayor Tumblewood
On March 03 2019 04:27 Tubesock wrote: ##Mayor: Holyflare
On March 03 2019 04:31 Alakaslam wrote: ##Mayor: HolyFlare ##Vote: Raynpelikoneet
On March 02 2019 11:08 Conversion wrote: ##Vote: Meapak_Ziphh
all not town
On March 03 2019 06:16 Oatsmaster wrote: mocsta posted one post and peaced ~~ possibly town,
iamp is putting in way too much effort to be town
tictock is reaching real far for their reads
Acro actually is a lawyer and lawyers should be lynched cause they are bad men
HF too serious to be town
Ace actually posted the worst idea ive ever seen what was that nonsense
?????????? literally all my reads have been scum reads except mocsta
okay so rereading this, by green you didnt mean town.
So i didnt explain any of the vote reads because its so obvious what.
the other stuff is the non vote reads which includes some of the vote reads cause thats how it is
On March 02 2019 20:33 Holyflare wrote: If anyone cares my reads align with rsoul. I think. Chez suspicious. Guy posting catch ups was it trfel? Seemed mediocre and not any revelations. Iamp piggybacking me suspicious. Don't care if I like what he's said about people non-posting. That's easy to do.
Didn't like rayn that much tbh. He seems to not be saying much but talking in walls of text and circles.
I dunno I'm sorry I'm a bit shit right now but whatever.
On March 02 2019 10:01 Trfel wrote: Hi, I am mafia
Cool who are your buddies?
Can't you just check the QT?
Also, to unvote in the mayor election you unmayor someone? That sounds pretty crazy xD And before anyone asks the inevitable question, there are seven mafia in the game, so we don't have to argue about it, cool?
No self respecting town person reads setup.
You're mafia.
This is outstanding analysis and I agree with it 100%
Meh, HF's post is NAI for me (seems more like a general poke, than a real accusation) but my gut really seems to think Meap is mafia all the more for this.
On March 02 2019 10:08 Fecalfeast wrote: Vote me for mayor. I will be the arbiter of truth and justice
But how do we know that you're town here?
For anyone to know that I'm town at this point, that person would have to be scum. I'm here to find scum and lynch them, not prove that I'm town by any means that aren't incidental to my stated goals.
Do you know if youre town?
This is prob just kus Rayn and I have very different personalities/outlooks, but these sort of questions bug me. It's really an accusation that FF is slipping that he is actually mafia, but it's very implied that FF means "anyone else" as he is unlikely to be thinking about his own position. So probably just a weak poke from Rayn, but I dislike. Mostly kus what sort of response do you expect from this question? How can it help you?
Meap seems very Mafia to me on this page, he even does this "Guide me Senpai" thing with HF that I hate. + Show Spoiler +
On March 02 2019 10:01 Trfel wrote: Hi, I am mafia
Cool who are your buddies?
Can't you just check the QT?
Also, to unvote in the mayor election you unmayor someone? That sounds pretty crazy xD And before anyone asks the inevitable question, there are seven mafia in the game, so we don't have to argue about it, cool?
No self respecting town person reads setup.
You're mafia.
He already claimed mafia though didn't you read the opening of the game?
No self respecting townie reads the whole thread.
Sheeeeiiiit this is more quality analysis I can get behind
On March 02 2019 16:17 Acrofales wrote: I just started reading and 3 pages in stopped again. From this point onwards, I will be operating on a lynch all liars policy, because holy shit, mafia claims are the dumbest things I have ever seen. So yeah. Claim mafia beyond this point and I'll assume it's the truth. I also refuse to read anything else up to here, unless someone specifically points me somewhere in the first 23 pages worth reading.
Now can we keep the postcount reasonable? This isn't a mini, and I'm going sailing all weekend and have a deadline on Monday.
On March 03 2019 02:10 Ace wrote: I think we should nominate someone who has barely posted yet as Mayor. There are a lot of thoughts already posted that could help us draw conclusions based on conversations.
Giving a semi-lurking/lurking player lynch power and forcing them into the game seems like a good move to me. So a player like Tumblewood or tubesock should be nominated (they've barely posted from a cursory filter check).
On March 02 2019 20:33 Holyflare wrote: If anyone cares my reads align with rsoul. I think. Chez suspicious. Guy posting catch ups was it trfel? Seemed mediocre and not any revelations. Iamp piggybacking me suspicious. Don't care if I like what he's said about people non-posting. That's easy to do.
Didn't like rayn that much tbh. He seems to not be saying much but talking in walls of text and circles.
I dunno I'm sorry I'm a bit shit right now but whatever.
On March 02 2019 10:01 Trfel wrote: Hi, I am mafia
Cool who are your buddies?
Can't you just check the QT?
Also, to unvote in the mayor election you unmayor someone? That sounds pretty crazy xD And before anyone asks the inevitable question, there are seven mafia in the game, so we don't have to argue about it, cool?
No self respecting town person reads setup.
You're mafia.
This is outstanding analysis and I agree with it 100%
Meh, HF's post is NAI for me (seems more like a general poke, than a real accusation) but my gut really seems to think Meap is mafia all the more for this.
On March 02 2019 10:08 Fecalfeast wrote: Vote me for mayor. I will be the arbiter of truth and justice
But how do we know that you're town here?
For anyone to know that I'm town at this point, that person would have to be scum. I'm here to find scum and lynch them, not prove that I'm town by any means that aren't incidental to my stated goals.
Do you know if youre town?
This is prob just kus Rayn and I have very different personalities/outlooks, but these sort of questions bug me. It's really an accusation that FF is slipping that he is actually mafia, but it's very implied that FF means "anyone else" as he is unlikely to be thinking about his own position. So probably just a weak poke from Rayn, but I dislike. Mostly kus what sort of response do you expect from this question? How can it help you?
Meap seems very Mafia to me on this page, he even does this "Guide me Senpai" thing with HF that I hate. + Show Spoiler +
On March 02 2019 10:01 Trfel wrote: Hi, I am mafia
Cool who are your buddies?
Can't you just check the QT?
Also, to unvote in the mayor election you unmayor someone? That sounds pretty crazy xD And before anyone asks the inevitable question, there are seven mafia in the game, so we don't have to argue about it, cool?
No self respecting town person reads setup.
You're mafia.
He already claimed mafia though didn't you read the opening of the game?
No self respecting townie reads the whole thread.
Sheeeeiiiit this is more quality analysis I can get behind
On March 02 2019 16:17 Acrofales wrote: I just started reading and 3 pages in stopped again. From this point onwards, I will be operating on a lynch all liars policy, because holy shit, mafia claims are the dumbest things I have ever seen. So yeah. Claim mafia beyond this point and I'll assume it's the truth. I also refuse to read anything else up to here, unless someone specifically points me somewhere in the first 23 pages worth reading.
Now can we keep the postcount reasonable? This isn't a mini, and I'm going sailing all weekend and have a deadline on Monday.
On March 03 2019 02:10 Ace wrote: I think we should nominate someone who has barely posted yet as Mayor. There are a lot of thoughts already posted that could help us draw conclusions based on conversations.
Giving a semi-lurking/lurking player lynch power and forcing them into the game seems like a good move to me. So a player like Tumblewood or tubesock should be nominated (they've barely posted from a cursory filter check).
On March 03 2019 06:16 Oatsmaster wrote: mocsta posted one post and peaced ~~ possibly town,
iamp is putting in way too much effort to be town
tictock is reaching real far for their reads
Acro actually is a lawyer and lawyers should be lynched cause they are bad men
HF too serious to be town
Ace actually posted the worst idea ive ever seen what was that nonsense
Actually I have filter dived myself and on top of it being a trash start to my filter it is amazingly not serious in the slightest.
What an awful awful awful read.
##vote oatsmaster
Anyone else feel free to do the same and read page 1 of my filter. If you can in good conscience say I'm too serious then don't bother following the vote, you're illiterate anyway and won't be able to follow this post.
On March 02 2019 20:33 Holyflare wrote: If anyone cares my reads align with rsoul. I think. Chez suspicious. Guy posting catch ups was it trfel? Seemed mediocre and not any revelations. Iamp piggybacking me suspicious. Don't care if I like what he's said about people non-posting. That's easy to do.
Didn't like rayn that much tbh. He seems to not be saying much but talking in walls of text and circles.
I dunno I'm sorry I'm a bit shit right now but whatever.
On March 03 2019 01:42 Holyflare wrote:
On March 02 2019 20:33 Holyflare wrote: If anyone cares my reads align with rsoul. I think. Chez suspicious. Guy posting catch ups was it trfel? Seemed mediocre and not any revelations. Iamp piggybacking me suspicious. Don't care if I like what he's said about people non-posting. That's easy to do.
Didn't like rayn that much tbh. He seems to not be saying much but talking in walls of text and circles.
I dunno I'm sorry I'm a bit shit right now but whatever.
This was tt not trfel. Just exacerbates my read now tbh.
On March 03 2019 03:59 Holyflare wrote: I will lynch sentinel this cycle with a mayor vote by the way. Not only are his posts pointless blending but if you want an excuse for a policy lynch he is it.
On March 03 2019 04:20 Holyflare wrote: Don't really get any of the rayn town reads. He's a complete non entity.
On March 03 2019 05:12 Holyflare wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:54 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 03 2019 03:59 Holyflare wrote: I will lynch sentinel this cycle with a mayor vote by the way. Not only are his posts pointless blending but if you want an excuse for a policy lynch he is it.
A good ploicy lynch yes but would rather lynch a for certain scum though over policy lynching someone.
It's only a policy lynch if you ignore the fact he pops in every so often to say nothing. He also said he's town and then said he didn't read role pm.
Classic mafia trait to feel the need to post and have no influence to the thread whatsoever.
On March 03 2019 06:19 Holyflare wrote:
On March 03 2019 06:01 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:41 Tubesock wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:25 Tubesock wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote: [quote] I'm thinking I'd like to lynch you!
Or are you making this guy mayor, Ace?
That’s fair. I can vote HF for mayor sure. I don’t see how you could get me wanting Ace mayor out of what I said.
You were one of the two names Ace threw out to make someone non-contributing mayor.
Figure you're reading closely enough to say what you'd do as mayor, which no one else had mentioned but Ace, but still don't want to put forward an opinion about anyone.
Reads scummy to me.
When I have a lynch target I’ll let everyone one know. Do you want an opinion from me?
Am I and Conversion your only scumreads? Who do you want for mayor and why?
Yeah, I'd like to see some sort of contribution from you. What makes you want to support HF for mayor? Is it a scumread on Sentinel or some kind of policy lynch? You don't make that clear.
I'm cool lynching scummy people just trying to coast by on the first day without needing to stick their necks out too much. That's people like you so far, and Conversion who's re-hashing the same argument with MZ instead of moving to anything else. Guys like Acrofales and and Sent fall into this bucket for me right now too.
I'm not super thrilled with any of the mayoral candidates so far. I like HF the most from the people who've thrown their hat in since some of our reads jive. Disagree with him about Chez, his play seems par for the course from what I remember.
Chezinu has given far too many reads and seems threatened in comparison to normal. That is my qualm with him. Normally he gives absolutely no shits and does what he wants.
These are all quality posts what's your point?
oh wait i thought you said your filter was not serious at all hmmmmmmmmm
It's your read that I'm too serious but over 50% of my filter at that point was not serious. Those posts you've quoted are also just reads. In what previous game of mine have I not given reads and instead have just done this amazing nothingness and fun you're trying to portray me as doing as town?
dude you are on holiday, you literally play like a muppet every town game and well i wanna see more muppet man
On March 03 2019 06:16 Oatsmaster wrote: mocsta posted one post and peaced ~~ possibly town,
iamp is putting in way too much effort to be town
tictock is reaching real far for their reads
Acro actually is a lawyer and lawyers should be lynched cause they are bad men
HF too serious to be town
Ace actually posted the worst idea ive ever seen what was that nonsense
Actually I have filter dived myself and on top of it being a trash start to my filter it is amazingly not serious in the slightest.
What an awful awful awful read.
##vote oatsmaster
Anyone else feel free to do the same and read page 1 of my filter. If you can in good conscience say I'm too serious then don't bother following the vote, you're illiterate anyway and won't be able to follow this post.
On March 02 2019 20:33 Holyflare wrote: If anyone cares my reads align with rsoul. I think. Chez suspicious. Guy posting catch ups was it trfel? Seemed mediocre and not any revelations. Iamp piggybacking me suspicious. Don't care if I like what he's said about people non-posting. That's easy to do.
Didn't like rayn that much tbh. He seems to not be saying much but talking in walls of text and circles.
I dunno I'm sorry I'm a bit shit right now but whatever.
On March 03 2019 01:42 Holyflare wrote:
On March 02 2019 20:33 Holyflare wrote: If anyone cares my reads align with rsoul. I think. Chez suspicious. Guy posting catch ups was it trfel? Seemed mediocre and not any revelations. Iamp piggybacking me suspicious. Don't care if I like what he's said about people non-posting. That's easy to do.
Didn't like rayn that much tbh. He seems to not be saying much but talking in walls of text and circles.
I dunno I'm sorry I'm a bit shit right now but whatever.
This was tt not trfel. Just exacerbates my read now tbh.
On March 03 2019 03:59 Holyflare wrote: I will lynch sentinel this cycle with a mayor vote by the way. Not only are his posts pointless blending but if you want an excuse for a policy lynch he is it.
On March 03 2019 04:20 Holyflare wrote: Don't really get any of the rayn town reads. He's a complete non entity.
On March 03 2019 05:12 Holyflare wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:54 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 03 2019 03:59 Holyflare wrote: I will lynch sentinel this cycle with a mayor vote by the way. Not only are his posts pointless blending but if you want an excuse for a policy lynch he is it.
A good ploicy lynch yes but would rather lynch a for certain scum though over policy lynching someone.
It's only a policy lynch if you ignore the fact he pops in every so often to say nothing. He also said he's town and then said he didn't read role pm.
Classic mafia trait to feel the need to post and have no influence to the thread whatsoever.
On March 03 2019 06:19 Holyflare wrote:
On March 03 2019 06:01 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:41 Tubesock wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:25 Tubesock wrote: [quote]
That’s fair. I can vote HF for mayor sure. I don’t see how you could get me wanting Ace mayor out of what I said.
You were one of the two names Ace threw out to make someone non-contributing mayor.
Figure you're reading closely enough to say what you'd do as mayor, which no one else had mentioned but Ace, but still don't want to put forward an opinion about anyone.
Reads scummy to me.
When I have a lynch target I’ll let everyone one know. Do you want an opinion from me?
Am I and Conversion your only scumreads? Who do you want for mayor and why?
Yeah, I'd like to see some sort of contribution from you. What makes you want to support HF for mayor? Is it a scumread on Sentinel or some kind of policy lynch? You don't make that clear.
I'm cool lynching scummy people just trying to coast by on the first day without needing to stick their necks out too much. That's people like you so far, and Conversion who's re-hashing the same argument with MZ instead of moving to anything else. Guys like Acrofales and and Sent fall into this bucket for me right now too.
I'm not super thrilled with any of the mayoral candidates so far. I like HF the most from the people who've thrown their hat in since some of our reads jive. Disagree with him about Chez, his play seems par for the course from what I remember.
Chezinu has given far too many reads and seems threatened in comparison to normal. That is my qualm with him. Normally he gives absolutely no shits and does what he wants.
These are all quality posts what's your point?
oh wait i thought you said your filter was not serious at all hmmmmmmmmm
It's your read that I'm too serious but over 50% of my filter at that point was not serious. Those posts you've quoted are also just reads. In what previous game of mine have I not given reads and instead have just done this amazing nothingness and fun you're trying to portray me as doing as town?
I mean you had to go to page 2 of my 2 page filter to even start pulling quotes to portray your narrative :D :D :D!
I mean my post was after page 2 of your 2 page filter :D :D :D
Also hf, so either you are town and you play serious so my read is wrong.
Or you are town and you dont play serious so my read is right in the sense that if you were serious you are mafia. But just that my judgement of your posts is wrong.
It cant be both at the same time like you are trying to portray it here.
It's your read that I'm too serious but over 50% of my filter at that point was not serious. Those posts you've quoted are also just reads. In what previous game of mine have I not given reads and instead have just done this amazing nothingness and fun you're trying to portray me as doing as town?
So the green part is that you are saying that you arent playing seriously this game in your opinion.
The bolded green part is that you are saying that you do play serious as town.
On March 03 2019 09:38 Palmar wrote: Oh wait we have a mayor thing.
I am running for mayor
Who would you lynch and why
You are actually a muppet
Who would you lynch and why
I'm still waiting for a less idiotic take on HF
Because he’s oh so townie or what?
Because in my eyes you haven't supplied nearly enough evidence to call him hard red in order for me to believe he's hard red
Wait so you think that I might be right? But I just need to work a little harder? So what part of my take is idiotic? Because if you thought my take was idiotic then you clearly think hf is town. But you don’t. Soooo
On March 02 2019 20:33 Holyflare wrote: If anyone cares my reads align with rsoul. I think. Chez suspicious. Guy posting catch ups was it trfel? Seemed mediocre and not any revelations. Iamp piggybacking me suspicious. Don't care if I like what he's said about people non-posting. That's easy to do.
Didn't like rayn that much tbh. He seems to not be saying much but talking in walls of text and circles.
I dunno I'm sorry I'm a bit shit right now but whatever.
On March 03 2019 04:20 Holyflare wrote: Don't really get any of the rayn town reads. He's a complete non entity.
I think these are my entite collection on rayn. Not a case in the slightest and he's already tried to misconstrue the last quote. It just says I don't understand why people town read rayn when he's done not much but now rayn is trying to blow it into some big thing. Pretty shocking for rayn's BIGGEST scum read of the game.
He even tries to throw shit in my direction by saying my oats meta is wrong when I literally said I made it up! Lol! This guy has to be mafia, there is no way I expect a town rayn that actually cares about solving the game to make these mistakes.
On March 03 2019 17:09 Acrofales wrote: Enters Palmar: he claims to feel strongly about killing sent. So let him do it. All you need to decide is if Palmar is townie enough. But if we decide Palmar is townie enough to be mayor then he is free to kill whoever he likes. He sticks with sentinel and sentinel flips scum? We win, yay! Sheep Palmar into Armageddon. Sentinel flips town? We figure out if Palmars policy lynch is an ideological thing or a scum thing. Either way, we get information about Palmar out of this, which is a great thing to get out of D1.
On March 03 2019 17:11 Acrofales wrote: Oh, also, if sent was actually playing and being townie, I'd be more inclined to want him to live. But he has used this "foil" to be an attention whore and cop out of doing anything else so far. Not town play.
logical doesnt necessarily mean town though, especially of Sent is town. Why is this a town read Palmar?
On March 03 2019 20:16 Palmar wrote: Like sure, if he is mafia and knows Sent is town, he could be setting up a pushback on me, but he'd have to be extra dumb to believe I'm afraid of following through with a good policy lynch because of town lashback.
I just think it's a weak play if he's mafia, and I like the fact he's not just focusing on the things in the thread right at that moment. I didn't actually read much of his cases. I got the feeling, possibly wrong, that he was reading and responding in the thread while still trying to filter out a few people. It looks like he's trying.
Like even if Sentinel flips town, lynching him is a good move for town right now. I have absolutely no qualms about killing people for playing anti-town.
ah yes read my mind palmar. Its just that theres literally no loss for him to push to do something "smart" if it doesnt hurt him/his team. Why is it a weak play if hes mafia?
On March 04 2019 00:03 WaveofShadow wrote: Man who else is even in this game Pandain? Wiggles? Not even that much lurk all things considered I think. This feels like a really tame D1. I Kinda like our position
2nd scummiest post today not counting Ace's plan post.
it literally commits to nothing, complains about the game and is content with a shitshow day 1. Like this is absolute nonsense.
On March 04 2019 05:34 Grackaroni wrote: I don't think Acro is a good lynch today. I think his tone has been pretty townie and there are other people with similar content drawing a lot less negative attention.
Come on Grack, list some people with similar content drawing a lot less attention
On March 03 2019 02:10 Ace wrote: I think we should nominate someone who has barely posted yet as Mayor. There are a lot of thoughts already posted that could help us draw conclusions based on conversations.
Giving a semi-lurking/lurking player lynch power and forcing them into the game seems like a good move to me. So a player like Tumblewood or tubesock should be nominated (they've barely posted from a cursory filter check).
If Tumble/Tube are actually scum there is a non-trivial chance that he just wanted to slip in the names of teammates into a post.
IS IT REALLY WEIRD GRACK WHEN LIKE 10 PEOPLE TALKED ABOUT IT BEFORE YOU?>
On March 04 2019 06:17 Acrofales wrote: 4. Lets lynch Oats. I'm on board with damdred, but he promised to contribute in 10 mins, so I'll give him until then. Oats has given no sign he has read the thread beyond looking for stuff to troll and throw out random names. Grackaroni has managed to look a bt more townie in his posts today. He pulled himself together and he is totally buddying me and I'm falling for it. Deal with it.
On March 04 2019 06:17 Acrofales wrote: I'm here and caught up. There's a few posts in specific that I want to respond to, but in general:
1. Iamp is an idiot. He makes a case on me every game and it's always really bad. I will respond in more detail when I get to it, but his whole case is dumb. For starters, neither sicklucker nor oats are lurkers. Moreover, I quite obviously excluded the real lurkers. I want to kill the people who are popping into the thread, not contributing and fucking off. Not the people who weren't here at all. Iamp wanting to lynch me for dumb shit isn't new, and he's always wrong. He eats out of my hand when I'm scum and wants to lynch me when I'm town. And this is all I remember about him from 5 years ago. It's always fun. I'll decide later whether this was a scummy push, though. He hasn't done much of use other than his "case" on me, whcih he started before I had even gotten into this thread proper. Anyway, I don't think he is a good lynch target for D1. He usually starts to see the light eventually when he's town, and if he isn't, we can kill him tomorrow. Better stuff to do today.
2. No longer want to kill Sent. But the reason Palmar gets the votes is because he was clear and concise about his aims, whereas HF had many different goals. Now that sent claims he read his PM, and has actually started playing a bit, I don't think he's a good kill anymore. @Palmar: do you still plan on murdering sent?
3. I'm still quite happy with Palmar for mayor, his posts have been townie enough for me and I trust him to find scum a lot more than I do HF.
4. Lets lynch Oats. I'm on board with damdred, but he promised to contribute in 10 mins, so I'll give him until then. Oats has given no sign he has read the thread beyond looking for stuff to troll and throw out random names. Grackaroni has managed to look a bt more townie in his posts today. He pulled himself together and he is totally buddying me and I'm falling for it. Deal with it.
i dont think ive ever made a case on you what are you talking about lol
Maybe not a case, but you always call me scum.
maybe not a backpedal but Acro is surely on his bike right now
On March 04 2019 06:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Voted Holyflare as mayor. Of the people running he has clearly stated what he is going to do and thus if he doesn't you can hold him accountable.
Hes also given far more content to look at than the other front runner.
Hey BC, so lets say HF is mafia and lynches Sent who is whatever alignment, how does that help us figure out Holyflare's alignment? It seems to me like you want to vote for HF not because hes town necessarily, but that the Mayoral vote can help us confirm his alignment. Can you explain that further?
On March 04 2019 07:03 Damdred wrote: HF, RS, FF,Iamp can be the strong start of a town circle, and sents posts have been overall excellent so I would say hes town as well.
So 6 people is a good start so far.
Let's contknue.
Why is FF town, and why are Sent's post excellent Dammy?
Why isn’t Palmar, Blazinghand, Rels, onegu, pandain, darthFoley, etc on this list too? Are these that much different than straight policy lynches?
Yes, they are... you'll note that you weren't on there either. Although I'm not entirely sure anymore why not.
Palmar isn't on there because I was (and am) voting for him for mayor. So no, I don't think he's scum BH falls in the Koshi, Mocsta, Pandain, Rels, Onegu list of people who hadn't posted at all, and thus I couldn't make my mind up either way. DarthFoley doesn't seem too scummy and had been posting.
Sentinel was the only guy there who was mostly policy, and only partially because he was doing nothing of value. The rest were all there because I read their filter and found nothing much to believe they're town:
Oats posted a craptastic bunch of "reads" and then went away again without adding anything to the thread except for a bunch of troll posts. Lets get this show on the road. Kill Oats for justice
FF wants to be mayor, but a town FF would know he stands no chance with HF, Palmar, Cobbler, Ace, rayn, BH and iamp. Yet that is literally the only thing he has posted about all thread. Other than that he's thrown some shade around without any conviction.
WoS, ExO_. Entered, trolled, fucked off. Basically did nothing beyond phone in their presence, promise better and fuck off.
sicklucker: I'll call him "Oats light".
Wiggles: don't really want to lynch him anymore, but he was there in the WoS, ExO_ list.
Other people aren't on there because I think they're probably town or there simply isn't enough information to figure it out yet.
On March 04 2019 06:17 Acrofales wrote: I'm here and caught up. There's a few posts in specific that I want to respond to, but in general:
1. Iamp is an idiot. He makes a case on me every game and it's always really bad. I will respond in more detail when I get to it, but his whole case is dumb. For starters, neither sicklucker nor oats are lurkers. Moreover, I quite obviously excluded the real lurkers. I want to kill the people who are popping into the thread, not contributing and fucking off. Not the people who weren't here at all. Iamp wanting to lynch me for dumb shit isn't new, and he's always wrong. He eats out of my hand when I'm scum and wants to lynch me when I'm town. And this is all I remember about him from 5 years ago. It's always fun. I'll decide later whether this was a scummy push, though. He hasn't done much of use other than his "case" on me, whcih he started before I had even gotten into this thread proper. Anyway, I don't think he is a good lynch target for D1. He usually starts to see the light eventually when he's town, and if he isn't, we can kill him tomorrow. Better stuff to do today.
2. No longer want to kill Sent. But the reason Palmar gets the votes is because he was clear and concise about his aims, whereas HF had many different goals. Now that sent claims he read his PM, and has actually started playing a bit, I don't think he's a good kill anymore. @Palmar: do you still plan on murdering sent?
3. I'm still quite happy with Palmar for mayor, his posts have been townie enough for me and I trust him to find scum a lot more than I do HF.
4. Lets lynch Oats. I'm on board with damdred, but he promised to contribute in 10 mins, so I'll give him until then. Oats has given no sign he has read the thread beyond looking for stuff to troll and throw out random names. Grackaroni has managed to look a bt more townie in his posts today. He pulled himself together and he is totally buddying me and I'm falling for it. Deal with it.
On March 04 2019 06:39 Acrofales wrote:
On March 04 2019 06:19 rsoultin wrote: Eew.
Acro: "Palmar wanting to lynch sent is more likely to find scum than HF who wants to lynch Oats who I want to lynch."
rofl ><
Given that I want to lynch Oats, I don't want to vote HF to mayor kill him. It defeats the purpose.
On March 04 2019 06:52 Acrofales wrote: EBWOP: also, HF's case on Oats was based on some nonsense that made no sense. Not on the reasons that Oats is actually scummy (although it did start that way). It was about Oats changing his mind when Oats never changed his mind (just threw out an unsubstantiated read and never commented on it again).
On March 03 2019 06:25 Holyflare wrote:
On March 03 2019 06:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 03 2019 06:20 Holyflare wrote: Only oatmaster could simultaneously call the guy I scum read mafia and then think that I'm mafia in the space of a post. Funny guy.
only hf can assume theres one mafia team in a game with 30 players
No, it just makes it obvious you haven't read the thread carefully enough to piece together coherent reads and are just throwing whatever you can in the open in the hopes something sticks. Pretty scummy oats tactic.
On March 03 2019 06:44 Holyflare wrote: No, it's that. That's quite a common oats mafia play. Throw darts blindfolded and be controversial and hope something sticks.
On March 03 2019 18:56 Holyflare wrote:
On March 03 2019 18:47 Tubesock wrote:
On March 03 2019 18:35 Holyflare wrote:
On March 03 2019 18:30 Tubesock wrote:
On March 02 2019 20:33 Holyflare wrote: If anyone cares my reads align with rsoul. I think. Chez suspicious. Guy posting catch ups was it trfel? Seemed mediocre and not any revelations. Iamp piggybacking me suspicious. Don't care if I like what he's said about people non-posting. That's easy to do.
Didn't like rayn that much tbh. He seems to not be saying much but talking in walls of text and circles.
I dunno I'm sorry I'm a bit shit right now but whatever.
On March 03 2019 04:20 Holyflare wrote: Don't really get any of the rayn town reads. He's a complete non entity.
Not really a case but you did scumread him.
Wouldn't say that's a scum read. If anything it's the scummy side of null and was more an extrapolation of everyone else's mindsets on rayn than a read on him. I just didn't agree with people town reading rayn and didn't understand how they reached that conclusion when he's mediocre af.
Ok.
If Oats didn’t hilariously get your filter incorrect, or at least say all your posts were serious, would you think he’s any different than his normal grouchy mcgroucherson town self? To me his entrance where every single person in the game is scum is normal town for him. Last I saw him as scum (years ago I know) he threw out maybe 4 scumreads and was a little less abrasive. Much less wave making than this game.
I don't think he's any different from his scum or town game that I remember. It seems to be a scum team strat to push me though because I don't think I've done anything underhanded or misguided this entire game. Just been honest and forthcoming yet have two people with somehow overwhelmingly strong scum reads on me. Seems majorly fabricated.
Oats had x amount of scum reads based on people that voted other people for mayor (which I didn't!) yet have you heard anything in depth about anyone other than me?
To me, Acro, it looks like you're really not paying attention at all. You should be happy that you have exactly the same points as I've already stated and should be happy to vote me as mayor.
Instead you're not even interested in someone who shares the exact same read as you. You didn't even know the reasons I actually voted oats and you voted on the wagon scum found it opportune to be on. Not looking good for you I'm afraid.
Really, not paying attention? In a 65 page day 1 i was mostly afk for? You're obviously right there.
nice boiling down his points into a singular answer that actually confirms what hes saying Acro
On March 04 2019 00:03 WaveofShadow wrote: Man who else is even in this game Pandain? Wiggles? Not even that much lurk all things considered I think. This feels like a really tame D1. I Kinda like our position
On March 04 2019 06:17 Acrofales wrote: I'm here and caught up. There's a few posts in specific that I want to respond to, but in general:
1. Iamp is an idiot. He makes a case on me every game and it's always really bad. I will respond in more detail when I get to it, but his whole case is dumb. For starters, neither sicklucker nor oats are lurkers. Moreover, I quite obviously excluded the real lurkers. I want to kill the people who are popping into the thread, not contributing and fucking off. Not the people who weren't here at all. Iamp wanting to lynch me for dumb shit isn't new, and he's always wrong. He eats out of my hand when I'm scum and wants to lynch me when I'm town. And this is all I remember about him from 5 years ago. It's always fun. I'll decide later whether this was a scummy push, though. He hasn't done much of use other than his "case" on me, whcih he started before I had even gotten into this thread proper. Anyway, I don't think he is a good lynch target for D1. He usually starts to see the light eventually when he's town, and if he isn't, we can kill him tomorrow. Better stuff to do today.
2. No longer want to kill Sent. But the reason Palmar gets the votes is because he was clear and concise about his aims, whereas HF had many different goals. Now that sent claims he read his PM, and has actually started playing a bit, I don't think he's a good kill anymore. @Palmar: do you still plan on murdering sent?
3. I'm still quite happy with Palmar for mayor, his posts have been townie enough for me and I trust him to find scum a lot more than I do HF.
4. Lets lynch Oats. I'm on board with damdred, but he promised to contribute in 10 mins, so I'll give him until then. Oats has given no sign he has read the thread beyond looking for stuff to troll and throw out random names. Grackaroni has managed to look a bt more townie in his posts today. He pulled himself together and he is totally buddying me and I'm falling for it. Deal with it.
i dont think ive ever made a case on you what are you talking about lol
Maybe not a case, but you always call me scum.
maybe not a backpedal but Acro is surely on his bike right now
On March 04 2019 02:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote: HF came up with the idea first, but I'm not sure whether I trust HF more to follow through compared to Palmar, especially if HF starts coming up with more cases. Might be the case that they deviate at the last minute and cause a bunch of chaos. In that sense, I like Palmar for mayor because he's colder.
Wiggles re-read what you wrote here and think about what a non-Sentinel lynch could reveal. I think we're on somewhat similar terms of thinking here.
On March 04 2019 02:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote: HF came up with the idea first, but I'm not sure whether I trust HF more to follow through compared to Palmar, especially if HF starts coming up with more cases. Might be the case that they deviate at the last minute and cause a bunch of chaos. In that sense, I like Palmar for mayor because he's colder.
My vote will never be on anyone other than Sentinel as mayor. If he claims a role pm being read then it will be on whoever is the second highest vote, as I've stated. I don't think I'm a "wild cannon" like you purport. More so Palmar will be just doing what he wants and that is far more detrimental when he self reportedly doesn't play weekends and has only really come up with a Sentinel policy lynch and some mediocre writings (although not awful to read, just no drive).
you wanna expand on this Wiggles? your play interests me so far. What do you think of tube now after scumreading him earlier I really, really hope you and Wiggles are putting things together without it having to be explicitly stated 😁
So btw who is the case for second best vote?
I think I'm picking up what you're putting down, Ace. We're being oblique, so I hope I'm not too far off base.
On March 04 2019 02:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote: HF came up with the idea first, but I'm not sure whether I trust HF more to follow through compared to Palmar, especially if HF starts coming up with more cases. Might be the case that they deviate at the last minute and cause a bunch of chaos. In that sense, I like Palmar for mayor because he's colder.
Wiggles re-read what you wrote here and think about what a non-Sentinel lynch could reveal. I think we're on somewhat similar terms of thinking here.
@Acrofales: *nod*.
On March 04 2019 03:09 Ace wrote:
On March 04 2019 02:49 Holyflare wrote:
On March 04 2019 02:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote: HF came up with the idea first, but I'm not sure whether I trust HF more to follow through compared to Palmar, especially if HF starts coming up with more cases. Might be the case that they deviate at the last minute and cause a bunch of chaos. In that sense, I like Palmar for mayor because he's colder.
My vote will never be on anyone other than Sentinel as mayor. If he claims a role pm being read then it will be on whoever is the second highest vote, as I've stated. I don't think I'm a "wild cannon" like you purport. More so Palmar will be just doing what he wants and that is far more detrimental when he self reportedly doesn't play weekends and has only really come up with a Sentinel policy lynch and some mediocre writings (although not awful to read, just no drive).
I really, really hope you and Wiggles are putting things together without it having to be explicitly stated 😁
So btw who is the case for second best vote?
I think I'm picking up what you're putting down, Ace. We're being oblique, so I hope I'm not too far off base.
Gonna move that mayor vote.
oops
you wanna expand on this Wiggles? your play interests me so far. What do you think of tube now after scumreading him earlier
Why isn’t Palmar, Blazinghand, Rels, onegu, pandain, darthFoley, etc on this list too? Are these that much different than straight policy lynches?
I think he asked this question to make Acro seem scummy for pushing low-content posters, and that conflicts with the way that Tubesock has been playing the game so far.
On March 03 2019 17:59 Tubesock wrote:
On March 03 2019 13:47 Tictock wrote: Ok, I came, I saw, I did some things. Seems like ppl are not around so gunna do other things. May check in once more before bed but I am pretty sure I am not going to fully read the stuff I missed.
I'd like someone who is wanting to lynch oats to convince me why he is scum.
Similarly as to why ppl are voting HF for mayor.
If deadline was right now/soon I would push for Meap or Grack to lynch.
You know HF was going to mayor lynch [UoN]Sentinel before it was cool right? So, the difference between HF and Palmar is HF has actually played so far and given plenty of opinions. And exactly like Chezinu said, latching onto this Sentinel policy is right up Palmars alley if both were scum. And absolutely worth it. Plus Palmar doesn’t have to do anything else, talk about skating by.
Vote HF for mayor for the Sentinel kill, ##VOTE: Palmarso he actually plays. Town win wins.
On March 04 2019 01:07 Tubesock wrote: I’m voting Trfl. Maybe he will come play.
If Tubesock is town I don't see why he should be questioning Acro's lynch choices considering his own so far.
I think this is a bad post. It's quite obvious why he questions acros posts because there's no distinction between any of those other players.
What do you think of Tubesock's deflection of my pressure earlier in the game?
On March 03 2019 06:01 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:41 Tubesock wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:25 Tubesock wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:05 Tubesock wrote: There isn’t anyone I want to lynch.
If I were mayor I’d sheep Holyflare most likely for the 2nd lynch.
I'm thinking I'd like to lynch you!
Or are you making this guy mayor, Ace?
That’s fair. I can vote HF for mayor sure. I don’t see how you could get me wanting Ace mayor out of what I said.
You were one of the two names Ace threw out to make someone non-contributing mayor.
Figure you're reading closely enough to say what you'd do as mayor, which no one else had mentioned but Ace, but still don't want to put forward an opinion about anyone.
Reads scummy to me.
When I have a lynch target I’ll let everyone one know. Do you want an opinion from me?
Am I and Conversion your only scumreads? Who do you want for mayor and why?
Yeah, I'd like to see some sort of contribution from you. What makes you want to support HF for mayor? Is it a scumread on Sentinel or some kind of policy lynch? You don't make that clear.
I'm cool lynching scummy people just trying to coast by on the first day without needing to stick their necks out too much. That's people like you so far, and Conversion who's re-hashing the same argument with MZ instead of moving to anything else. Guys like Acrofales and and Sent fall into this bucket for me right now too.
I'm not super thrilled with any of the mayoral candidates so far. I like HF the most from the people who've thrown their hat in since some of our reads jive. Disagree with him about Chez, his play seems par for the course from what I remember.
I asked for some kind of read, and instead got an answer of "later". I responded to their own questions and was ignored when they returned to the thread. Their posting has been very non-committal, and they still haven't really pushed a lynch target yet. The pressure votes don't come out and say, "I think this guy is scum", but are hedged as an activity motivator.
I'd like to hear more takes from others as well. Tubesock doesn't seem to get brought up much, so they're sliding by without much attention. They still haven't produced a hard read either.
Do you have an alignment read on ace from that exchanges
Why isn’t Palmar, Blazinghand, Rels, onegu, pandain, darthFoley, etc on this list too? Are these that much different than straight policy lynches?
I think he asked this question to make Acro seem scummy for pushing low-content posters, and that conflicts with the way that Tubesock has been playing the game so far.
On March 03 2019 17:59 Tubesock wrote:
On March 03 2019 13:47 Tictock wrote: Ok, I came, I saw, I did some things. Seems like ppl are not around so gunna do other things. May check in once more before bed but I am pretty sure I am not going to fully read the stuff I missed.
I'd like someone who is wanting to lynch oats to convince me why he is scum.
Similarly as to why ppl are voting HF for mayor.
If deadline was right now/soon I would push for Meap or Grack to lynch.
You know HF was going to mayor lynch [UoN]Sentinel before it was cool right? So, the difference between HF and Palmar is HF has actually played so far and given plenty of opinions. And exactly like Chezinu said, latching onto this Sentinel policy is right up Palmars alley if both were scum. And absolutely worth it. Plus Palmar doesn’t have to do anything else, talk about skating by.
Vote HF for mayor for the Sentinel kill, ##VOTE: Palmarso he actually plays. Town win wins.
On March 04 2019 01:07 Tubesock wrote: I’m voting Trfl. Maybe he will come play.
If Tubesock is town I don't see why he should be questioning Acro's lynch choices considering his own so far.
I think this is a bad post. It's quite obvious why he questions acros posts because there's no distinction between any of those other players.
What do you think of Tubesock's deflection of my pressure earlier in the game?
On March 03 2019 06:01 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:41 Tubesock wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:25 Tubesock wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:05 Tubesock wrote: There isn’t anyone I want to lynch.
If I were mayor I’d sheep Holyflare most likely for the 2nd lynch.
I'm thinking I'd like to lynch you!
Or are you making this guy mayor, Ace?
That’s fair. I can vote HF for mayor sure. I don’t see how you could get me wanting Ace mayor out of what I said.
You were one of the two names Ace threw out to make someone non-contributing mayor.
Figure you're reading closely enough to say what you'd do as mayor, which no one else had mentioned but Ace, but still don't want to put forward an opinion about anyone.
Reads scummy to me.
When I have a lynch target I’ll let everyone one know. Do you want an opinion from me?
Am I and Conversion your only scumreads? Who do you want for mayor and why?
Yeah, I'd like to see some sort of contribution from you. What makes you want to support HF for mayor? Is it a scumread on Sentinel or some kind of policy lynch? You don't make that clear.
I'm cool lynching scummy people just trying to coast by on the first day without needing to stick their necks out too much. That's people like you so far, and Conversion who's re-hashing the same argument with MZ instead of moving to anything else. Guys like Acrofales and and Sent fall into this bucket for me right now too.
I'm not super thrilled with any of the mayoral candidates so far. I like HF the most from the people who've thrown their hat in since some of our reads jive. Disagree with him about Chez, his play seems par for the course from what I remember.
I asked for some kind of read, and instead got an answer of "later". I responded to their own questions and was ignored when they returned to the thread. Their posting has been very non-committal, and they still haven't really pushed a lynch target yet. The pressure votes don't come out and say, "I think this guy is scum", but are hedged as an activity motivator.
I'd like to hear more takes from others as well. Tubesock doesn't seem to get brought up much, so they're sliding by without much attention. They still haven't produced a hard read either.
Do you have an alignment read on ace from that exchanges
I lean soft town on Ace so far. What I was sensing made sense to me, assuming I got it, and his other posting doesn't strike me as scum play.
Can you speculate the town reason for his proposal of how we should vote mayors in?
Why isn’t Palmar, Blazinghand, Rels, onegu, pandain, darthFoley, etc on this list too? Are these that much different than straight policy lynches?
I think he asked this question to make Acro seem scummy for pushing low-content posters, and that conflicts with the way that Tubesock has been playing the game so far.
On March 03 2019 17:59 Tubesock wrote:
On March 03 2019 13:47 Tictock wrote: Ok, I came, I saw, I did some things. Seems like ppl are not around so gunna do other things. May check in once more before bed but I am pretty sure I am not going to fully read the stuff I missed.
I'd like someone who is wanting to lynch oats to convince me why he is scum.
Similarly as to why ppl are voting HF for mayor.
If deadline was right now/soon I would push for Meap or Grack to lynch.
You know HF was going to mayor lynch [UoN]Sentinel before it was cool right? So, the difference between HF and Palmar is HF has actually played so far and given plenty of opinions. And exactly like Chezinu said, latching onto this Sentinel policy is right up Palmars alley if both were scum. And absolutely worth it. Plus Palmar doesn’t have to do anything else, talk about skating by.
Vote HF for mayor for the Sentinel kill, ##VOTE: Palmarso he actually plays. Town win wins.
On March 04 2019 01:07 Tubesock wrote: I’m voting Trfl. Maybe he will come play.
If Tubesock is town I don't see why he should be questioning Acro's lynch choices considering his own so far.
I think this is a bad post. It's quite obvious why he questions acros posts because there's no distinction between any of those other players.
What do you think of Tubesock's deflection of my pressure earlier in the game?
On March 03 2019 06:01 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:41 Tubesock wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:25 Tubesock wrote: [quote]
That’s fair. I can vote HF for mayor sure. I don’t see how you could get me wanting Ace mayor out of what I said.
You were one of the two names Ace threw out to make someone non-contributing mayor.
Figure you're reading closely enough to say what you'd do as mayor, which no one else had mentioned but Ace, but still don't want to put forward an opinion about anyone.
Reads scummy to me.
When I have a lynch target I’ll let everyone one know. Do you want an opinion from me?
Am I and Conversion your only scumreads? Who do you want for mayor and why?
Yeah, I'd like to see some sort of contribution from you. What makes you want to support HF for mayor? Is it a scumread on Sentinel or some kind of policy lynch? You don't make that clear.
I'm cool lynching scummy people just trying to coast by on the first day without needing to stick their necks out too much. That's people like you so far, and Conversion who's re-hashing the same argument with MZ instead of moving to anything else. Guys like Acrofales and and Sent fall into this bucket for me right now too.
I'm not super thrilled with any of the mayoral candidates so far. I like HF the most from the people who've thrown their hat in since some of our reads jive. Disagree with him about Chez, his play seems par for the course from what I remember.
I asked for some kind of read, and instead got an answer of "later". I responded to their own questions and was ignored when they returned to the thread. Their posting has been very non-committal, and they still haven't really pushed a lynch target yet. The pressure votes don't come out and say, "I think this guy is scum", but are hedged as an activity motivator.
I'd like to hear more takes from others as well. Tubesock doesn't seem to get brought up much, so they're sliding by without much attention. They still haven't produced a hard read either.
Do you have an alignment read on ace from that exchanges
I lean soft town on Ace so far. What I was sensing made sense to me, assuming I got it, and his other posting doesn't strike me as scum play.
Can you speculate the town reason for his proposal of how we should vote mayors in?
I suspect it was something of a bait to check reactions. As to what he was looking for exactly, I think he'd need to answer that himself. I get the feeling he was having a laugh too, like some of the other entry posts.
It's the lack of follow through or trying to push it that doesn't push it into scum territory for me. There was the one post about it, some reactions, and it didn't eat up a bunch of thread space with back and forth.
i mean, it gained 0 traction and a ton of backlash, why bother pushing it or following up on it. Unless it was a straight up joke post which i doubt, town Ace wouldve felt some ownership towards the case
On March 04 2019 14:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote: What do you think of the Acro case Oats?
I've been going back re-reading his posts and the case on him, but I'm having trouble making up my mind. I'll probably sleep on it and re-read again in the morning.
On March 04 2019 15:54 Pandain wrote: Hey everyone, AMG is going to be replacing me at the end of the day cycle. I'll still put in some hours today and post some closing thoughts and do votes and everything of course.
Regarding my stance on Ace, first don't read what I say as a "there's no way" he's mafia, read it instead as "I've played with Ace before as town and as mafia and based on what he posted I got a very strong town read." Perhaps I should be more nuanced since everyone here is so analytically critical of text posts.
It seems however Ace is serious, which sort of throws my analysis off.
Anyway, there's more players than Ace. I'll post some in around 12 hours after I finish work.
maybe you should explain why ace is town here and not mafia and do some comparison
On March 04 2019 18:24 Acrofales wrote: Regarding iamp and my history. I guess I'm misremembering things. Could've sworn we played a game together where I was town and he just what on me all D1 until he came down and we win. Turns out we never played a town game together. The only game in the database that seems even remotely similar is DotA mafia, but maybe I was just oversensitive to shade being thrown at me as a survivor?
Chrono Trigger doesn't count. Was our first game together, and I still think it is the best game I ever played. I was given a 3rd party town aligned role and had to deal with a fake cop check all game long. Claim my entire role despite it being very much against my win on to do so and still won. Anyway, I got read as town by the entire town on D1, including Iamp.
DotA mafia I was a survivor, but mostly just played along with town. Iamp as a townie threw shade my way all through D1, although he did eventually calm down and waffled on my alignment a bit. https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/514644-dota-2-mafia
This doesn't change that he's wrong now as I'm neither scum not third party this game. I'm a townie townie.
Can you actually respond to what he’s said about you other than saying that he’s right and you are wrong?
On March 04 2019 07:22 Holyflare wrote: Acro, wave, oats, rayn, chez, ls, mocsta(?) (+a shit tonne of others that elude me) will be the lynch today. There's really so many people I could easily lynch and just not care tbh.
Acro is town.
Wave, oats I'm on board with.
Rayn is a no. Your fight with him didn't give me scum vibes on either of you. Just made me want to tear my hair out.
Chez also a no. He seems fine.
LS I can't figure out, and can't be bothered to right now as I already have enough ppl I want to lynch.
Mocsta said before the game he wouldn't be around and he wasn't around. His few posts don't seem scummy, but he'd better start playing tomorrow.
Mate you really are mafia lol
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He's pointing out you seem to have switched opinions on rayn
I have. The longer rayn goes without shitting up the thread the more I suspect him of scummy shenanigans.
That's not to say scumrayn isn't an abusive asshole. He's generally more tunnelly as scum than as town, at least in my obviously imperfect recollection. But rayn is being uncharacteristically passive and the longer it goes the more I suspect him.
Town rayn shits up the thread trying to find scum. Scum rayn shits up the thread for the sake of shitting up the thread. But rayn never doesn't shut up the thread. New behavior is weird. And probably scum weird.
On March 04 2019 06:17 Acrofales wrote: I'm here and caught up. There's a few posts in specific that I want to respond to, but in general:
1. Iamp is an idiot. He makes a case on me every game and it's always really bad. I will respond in more detail when I get to it, but his whole case is dumb. For starters, neither sicklucker nor oats are lurkers. Moreover, I quite obviously excluded the real lurkers. I want to kill the people who are popping into the thread, not contributing and fucking off. Not the people who weren't here at all. Iamp wanting to lynch me for dumb shit isn't new, and he's always wrong. He eats out of my hand when I'm scum and wants to lynch me when I'm town. And this is all I remember about him from 5 years ago. It's always fun. I'll decide later whether this was a scummy push, though. He hasn't done much of use other than his "case" on me, whcih he started before I had even gotten into this thread proper. Anyway, I don't think he is a good lynch target for D1. He usually starts to see the light eventually when he's town, and if he isn't, we can kill him tomorrow. Better stuff to do today.
2. No longer want to kill Sent. But the reason Palmar gets the votes is because he was clear and concise about his aims, whereas HF had many different goals. Now that sent claims he read his PM, and has actually started playing a bit, I don't think he's a good kill anymore. @Palmar: do you still plan on murdering sent?
3. I'm still quite happy with Palmar for mayor, his posts have been townie enough for me and I trust him to find scum a lot more than I do HF.
4. Lets lynch Oats. I'm on board with damdred, but he promised to contribute in 10 mins, so I'll give him until then. Oats has given no sign he has read the thread beyond looking for stuff to troll and throw out random names. Grackaroni has managed to look a bt more townie in his posts today. He pulled himself together and he is totally buddying me and I'm falling for it. Deal with it.
i dont think ive ever made a case on you what are you talking about lol
On March 02 2019 12:45 iamperfection wrote: the only thing i gathered of note from the first few pages is that holyflare had the same reaction as me to them.
On March 02 2019 11:28 Holyflare wrote: Jesus christ what a boring couple of pages you guys came up with. Just circles.
But for some reason, when I have the same sentiment a few pages later (but a different response to it), my post is godawful terrible. For no apparent reason. The only real difference is that I make it clear I don't want to deal with that shit for the rest of the game, whereas HF just calls it boring (and reading between the lines: pointless).
On March 02 2019 14:57 iamperfection wrote: like if he is mafia he did make a mess of those first few pages
Awkward Mafia is awkward?
I see where you are coming from, but personally he is still my strongest scum read.
What do you make of ppl like Jock, Grack, and Mr Wiggles?
2 havent really posted might as well ask me about someone who hasnt posted yet.
Jockstrap had a post i didnt like
Lamp is antagonizing people by instead of abbreviating their names, just changing them to something vaguely derogatory for no apparent reason? I think I will keep calling him Lamp after all, because perfect he is not. Petty? Yes.
The bad:
The case on me is utter shit. And the way he pushes it doesn't feel like he's interested at all. Basically, it feels like he latched onto *someone* and didn't care who, made a case and then pushed it for the sake of pushing it. Not for the sake of actually finding a scummer and lynching mafia, but for the sake of gaining standing with town and pushing a lynch. The case is just really bad, so I'll go through it point by point to show you all how dumb you are for sheeping it. He is very explicitly cherrypicking posts, pulling them out of context and placing them in a bad light: + Show Spoiler [details] +
On March 04 2019 03:56 iamperfection wrote: Acrofails is mafia.
Haha, namecalling again. You so funny. Nobody has ever called me that before. But usually when I actually fail.
I have mentioned his first post but i will mention it again because it makes my case longer and you guys like cases longer so it is easier for you to sheep
On March 02 2019 16:17 Acrofales wrote: I just started reading and 3 pages in stopped again. From this point onwards, I will be operating on a lynch all liars policy, because holy shit, mafia claims are the dumbest things I have ever seen. So yeah. Claim mafia beyond this point and I'll assume it's the truth. I also refuse to read anything else up to here, unless someone specifically points me somewhere in the first 23 pages worth reading.
Now can we keep the postcount reasonable? This isn't a mini, and I'm going sailing all weekend and have a deadline on Monday.
Thanks.
Acrofales, the townie.
Playing thread cop when announcing that your going to be away is illogical especially for someone like acro. This is a person that has had a 50 page filter before and he was also full of shit he has come back to the thread to post drivel several times. It also shows he isn't reading the thread correctly because he is scum. Thoses " claims" were clearly jokes and acro cant understand that because he knows who is scum.
1) Mafia don't suddenly lose their sense of humor, and a scum me would be far less triggered by such a shitty start to the thread: town shitting up the thread would suit me just fine. And if it were my scummates, I'd happily bus them later. You yourself called it boring. What is it? Funny joke hijoles? Or boring?
Also, what does my 50-page filter in Chrono trigger have to do with anything? I very very rarely post non-game content, including that 50-page filter you are accusing me of. I also haven't posted drivel. What crack are you smoking? This entire blurb is disingenuous nonsense. But hey, Lamp being bad wouldn't surprise me, I did have him eating out of my hand as a dark red mafioso in GoT mafia, so he has no idea how to read me.
He is also making reads but they aren't really reads.
It's D1. Nobody except scum is sure about alignments. So yes, I have soft reads. They change a lot as I make up my mind.
And on top that, it's a big game, so I don't keep track of exactly what everybody said when. So when HF got in a fight with Oats and then wanted to lynch him, I seriously had forgotten all about that. I only remembered reading the interaction and finding it not terribly convincing on HF's side, despite agreeing on the end conclusion that Oats is scum, his reasons seemed silly. Anyway, I digress, back on point. I have mostly soft reads:
On March 02 2019 19:54 rsoultin wrote: Also, even though I'm using the mayor slot to demonstrate where my townreads are, it's pretty irrelevant. Regardless of who we pick they should just be held accountable for lynching who town wants to lynch -shrugs-
Or are you suggesting rayn that we just leave that to the mayor and not simply use it as a second lynch mechanic?
100% agree with this. Going off this logic Rsoul would be my vote for Mayor.
Also, just enjoying this interaction between Rayn and Rsoul.
On March 02 2019 20:33 Holyflare wrote: If anyone cares my reads align with rsoul. I think. Chez suspicious. Guy posting catch ups was it trfel? Seemed mediocre and not any revelations. Iamp piggybacking me suspicious. Don't care if I like what he's said about people non-posting. That's easy to do.
Didn't like rayn that much tbh. He seems to not be saying much but talking in walls of text and circles.
I dunno I'm sorry I'm a bit shit right now but whatever.
Pretty sure that's me, and I don't give a shit kus you always seem to hate the way I interact with the game.
I also strongly disagree about Rayn, I see him pushing his own thoughts and thinking and explaining why, nothing circular at all.
HF seems to be posting to post and I don't like it, but it's not really a scum read right now. It's just him coasting.
On March 02 2019 20:35 rsoultin wrote: Like for me it breaks down like this:
You've got trolling people. You've got lurking people. You've got lazy people. You've got some overly aggressives that aren't giving me warm fuzzies (MP). You've got people I'm not sure about who when I'm not sure about them have a nasty habit of being scum (Rayn) but because he's burned me so often I'm not sure if that's not where the uncertainty's coming from.
And then you have seemingly excited to play, I respect the shit out of his intelligence Chez playing but not saying anything interesting. That first group can hide a lot of bad town play. But doing something without doing anything ticks off my scum meter to a higher degree.
Rsoul is starting to convince me... Idk. I don't particularly want to lynch Chez myself but I get where her read is coming from, and I am not opposed to a Chez lynch.
#540 Bloody's entry doesn't jive well with me, but mostly due to their reads being pretty opposite to my own. I can sorta see the logic in Bloody's reads, but it's very much in a scum-range of what to post to enter the game. Gut read leans scum, but I think deserves more to be on my watch list.
Speaking of my Watch List, I think it's something like this right now: Meap Grack Jock Mr. Wiggles Acro Bloddy HF (just not comfortable with him just floating around the game making no impact, yet being relatively present)
Rels is also close to being on this list for "playing" but only making a "Hi" post then laughing at something rayn did. He only escapes this list because I know he has actively avoided playing D1 as town in recent games. It's the fact that he tried to play a little but didn't actually that almost has him on it.
I don't agree with much of this, but I do like the post.
1) Rsoultin is posting easy reads and not actually doing much poking. I don't know how she'd go on anybody's town reads so far, and definitely nowhere near mayor material.
2) Cobbler posted some reads and something provocative, and gave time for them to answer. I liked his first post and will wait for more. The fact that he's aggressive seems fine. Not going to do anything meta with it, because the last time I played mafia is probably 4 years ago or so and while I remember playing with Cobbler I can't for the life of me remember his alignment. I do remember him being aggressive tho, but not abusive.
3) Everybody should be on your watch list. We are not even halfway though D1... but if I take it to mean a list of people who are posting suspiciously, the only ones I agree with is Grack. I don't understand the list anyway without justifications.
Grack made a useless list post as first entry and then fucked off again. It seemed quite a lot like scum doing stuff to "seem active". And I remember Grack being quite a useful player, so I agree with you there. The rest? Haven't even seen a post by Wiggles, Meepack seems no worse than most people, and Jock I'd say more clueless town than anything else. Cobbler see above, and HF actually seems to be trying some things too.
Does he think rsoultin is mafia i dont know can you tell? i certainly cant he is just showing shade without taking any real stance. Mafia hate making real reads because its hard when you have to "make them up" . Same think with cobbler he makes a somewhat read but its nothing if you really read.
I wasn't reacting with reads on rsoultin, I was reacting to ticktock wanting her for mayor, which I thought was premature. I didn't have a strong read on rsoultin either way. So... you're right, I guess? I couldn't tell if rsoultin was mafia. Well done! I was mostly just disagreeing with ticktock wanting her for mayor. I didn't think her reads were particularly good at the time, and her pushes seemed tepid.
This was a real read, it just wasn't a very decisive one, because I simply hadn't made up my mind.
Cobbler's one (or two?) posts at the time seemed solidly townie, but there just wasn't enough content. How is this a problem?
He then goes into coaching and then makes a scum read but has to add some nonsense he dosent really want to convince anyone to do anything really.
Yeah, I've done some coaching. I'd rather coach people I think are town, but wrong than nail them to the cross as you'd apparently prefer? What is your problem with coaching? And as for that last line, I clearly do what to convince people of some things:
I wanted people to look into Grack, as I thought he had a really bad thread presence at the time. I wanted Sentinel dead because of his dumbass shit. I think I made both those viewpoints very clear, yet you omit this completely from your "case".
It just hangs together from cherrypicked posts that you then gave the worst possible interpretation to.
On March 03 2019 16:26 Acrofales wrote: K, 1 1/2 hours of morning posts before I'm sailing all day again.
Summary of the night:
##mayor Palmar
zzz
this is why the sent push is pointless
Why is this pointless? Walk me through it. I disagree with lynching sent (although I do want him dead). I'm all for putting that responsibility squarely on Palmar's shoulders.
And no, waiting til n1 to start playing the game seriously is not acceptable as town.
36? players. You either believe him about his role pm blahness or don't. If you don't, by all means push it. If you do it's boring. People won't lynch Chez on the assumping he can be vig'd. So can this guy.
And mostly it's an easy thing to agree with and excuse not doing anything else, innit?
Though props for not being that guy at least.
People won't lynch Chez because they don't think he's obviously scum. So if you want to lynch Chez make a better case than he's RPing the brown, because if you actually read his posts there's some decent amount of effort into understanding the game there, IMHO.
Sent is different. Let's assume he's telling the truth. In that case the only ppl who know his alignment are scum. If he's scum then they'll try to save him and if he isn't they'll try to kill him. Lynching him is not the best option, because there's far too much confusion in that wagon to get any information.
Now let's assume he's lying. I can't think of a town reason for doing this, and so he's scum. The rest is similar to above.
Enters Palmar: he claims to feel strongly about killing sent. So let him do it. All you need to decide is if Palmar is townie enough. But if we decide Palmar is townie enough to be mayor then he is free to kill whoever he likes. He sticks with sentinel and sentinel flips scum? We win, yay! Sheep Palmar into Armageddon. Sentinel flips town? We figure out if Palmars policy lynch is an ideological thing or a scum thing. Either way, we get information about Palmar out of this, which is a great thing to get out of D1.
This post is ultra scummy. His stance on palmar reeks of having extra information one way or another. Palmar saying he is going to just policy lynch and fuck off should be called out by acro but instead he takes a wait and see approach because he dosent really care how it turns out. Acro is good player and he should be shitting on palamr for saying he is going to fuck off. Instead he says we will figure it out but dosent really suggest how to do it. Shouldnt he be puhing palmar now? why wait. he dosent really want to figure out palmars alignment because he already knows what it is.
not really pushing anything and has several other posts where he attacks low hanging fruit just to feign activity. Acro is mafia and that is who i will vote for.
I want all of you to comment on my case and vote acro.
Since when is low-hanging fruit bad? The fact that we agree that they are low-hanging fruit should make you ecstatic. These guys are playing a scummy game and we agree on it! Low-hanging fruit needs to be lynched immediately! Yet somehow agreeing that these guys looked like utter scummy trash was a bad thing? This doesn't make sense. Iamp is either really bad or I stumbled upon a nest of his scumbuddies.
Why the hell would anybody want to go after high profile players D1 unless they had some really serious ironclad suspicions of their scumminess. None of them had, including Lamp himself. Since then, I'm getting a bit less optimistic on some. BH for instance can go DIAF as far as I'm concerned after doing nothing useful all weekend. But at the time, I explicitly excluded anybody with an excessively low postcount, because I don't want to lynch into an unknown. I want to lynch scum. I also excluded anybody whose filter I read and came with at least something of a townie vibe. And I didn't have time to justify this list, but figured filters would allow inquisitive townies to at least dive in and see if they agreed. I posted my reasoning when I got back and was asked for it.
Then his follow-up isn't interested in a discussion. It's only interested in getting sheep on the wagon. He's not trying to investigate whether I'm scum, but trying to crucify me on the cross:
rsoultin was sorta convinced but not completely, so iamp says:
On March 04 2019 04:04 iamperfection wrote: i dont like your reaction to my case it struck me as fake
On March 04 2019 04:04 Damdred wrote: I like your case and it seems you believe it after all...
is that a vote?
Aka: "don't talk. just hop on the wagon and don't think too hard about it".
And a bunch more of such posts. There is no drive for conversation. It's a great play to stop scumhunting and start piling on a wagon... over 30 hours before day ends. Why stop conversation and start whipping. It's not even majority vote, it's plurality lynch so you literally don't have to whip everybody into shape early out of risk of a no-lynch. Someone is gonna get dedded. So why stifle conversation and start the whipping so early, unless it's to literally control the conversation and stop the scumhunting.
The good:
These posts seem like instinctively right reactions from someone who wants to figure out people's alignments. It's the easiest type of play to fake as scum, but they come off as genuine, which does make it a lot harder as scum. They also mostly echo my own reactions when I read the posts in question for the first time:
On March 04 2019 04:19 Damdred wrote: I have no pew pew left in my gun right now.
Truthfully I am sort of playing on feels right now, perfections case feels right, in that it makes sense and it seems he believes it enough to push it.
I think his approach right now is townie at least.
oh dude your scum arent you lol.
On March 04 2019 05:48 iamperfection wrote: feel free to vig blazinghand btw
On March 04 2019 05:49 LightningStrike wrote: I calmed down enough to just switching my mayor vote to iamp his case seems solid enough. Wont post for the rest of the day phase/night phase Bye
your so full of shit.
You really raged from like the softest pressure ever??
bs
On March 04 2019 07:12 iamperfection wrote: cant tell if exo being ultra bad or ultra scum
The unanswered:
Couldn't find the context for this. Who are you talking about?
On March 03 2019 02:09 iamperfection wrote: his posting is completely different than his last game where he was town.
Maybe we should try to make him cry again and see if he posts his role pm.
The conclusion:
I know, after all this you all really want me to come out and say Lamp is scum, but I don't feel at all confident that that is the case, and am definitely not pushing a Lamp lynch today. His case and the push is really bad. But it could be just that. A confused, bad, townie that thought he had caught a big fish. I thought Lamp was better than that, but going after my games with him showed me he really isn't that good. It's possible he got excited, started his "wagon of justice" prematurely based on an excessively bad, cherrypicked, case. Or it's possible he did so as scum with the sole purpose of having something to do. I'm not seeing why Palmar has a strong townread on him. But there's enough good in his filter to not have a strong scumread either. All I can say is I wish that, if Lamp is town, he was less bad.[/QUOTE] Hey wait how is lamp calling out people being scum different from what I did but you think he’s town for that and you think I’m Maria for that
Havent read why Oatsmaster is mafia in your case. Just that you dont understand and dislikes his playstyle.
I read Oatsmaster his filter. My conclusion: Not a townread, but too aggressive and confrontational to be a mafia read and d1 lynch.
Oats early filter is super bad because it's just aggressiveness with no actual goal behind it, but this roughly mirrors my feeling when I skimmed his filter yesterday.
Oats just needs to calm the fuck down a bit and play slower but more focused, but it's Oats so who knows.
He could very well be mafia but I think we have better shots (like Conversion or Sentinel)
On March 04 2019 23:28 Vivax wrote: If you're town here's what you're going to do:
You accept your swift merciful death and thank us for relieving you from your duties in a busy week irl. You try to find oddities in the peeps pushing for your lynch and/or summarize for us why MZ should be the next lynch, cause that seems to be your only scumread atm.
I'll honor your contributions, take them into consideration and if found worthy carry on your will throughout the game.
Very town. I also always say these things when I am town and convinced. Cool stuff.
Koshi how do you feel about rolling town?
Very good thank you for asking. Being mafia is always a burden on my life. I eat, sleep and live less happy when I am still alive in a game as mafia. But now I am happy and I can do my thing.
Life is good.
Side story. I had soccer yesterday and I went to the MacDo drive in after with gf and asked for a cheeseburger, paid the 1.5 euro for the cheeseburger, but instead got a double cheeseburger. And I told my gf that this was the sign of a good week. And today I rolled town.
On March 04 2019 23:58 Conversion wrote: who the fuck does Oats want to lynch anyways? I scanned through his filter and all he's done is fling shit on a wall and not push anyone, and ended with "I wanna lynch Acro"
On March 05 2019 02:37 Oatsmaster wrote: Ehh I’m not gonna respond to acros case because it’s not gonna convince anyone who’s currently voting me
You could try to actually play the game, instead of not giving a shit?
For the purposes of this conversation, I’m gonna assume that you are town because otherwise this doesn’t work.
What do you want to see that would convince you that I’m not mafia? I’m not gonna change my style of play and it’s just your opinion that I’m playing the game the “wrong way” when one of my scumreads is the leading lynch yeah?
I really think grack also has an amazing chance of being scum, also at some point of time I’m gonna look back at my mayor list thing and see who’s still mafia
On March 04 2019 20:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: iamp please tell these idiots what's right and what's wrong. I gotta work in like well.. now, and i wont be home until after deadline. Unfortunately my work is actual work and not one where you can play mafia like half of the time.
On March 05 2019 02:37 Oatsmaster wrote: Ehh I’m not gonna respond to acros case because it’s not gonna convince anyone who’s currently voting me
You could try to actually play the game, instead of not giving a shit?
For the purposes of this conversation, I’m gonna assume that you are town because otherwise this doesn’t work.
What do you want to see that would convince you that I’m not mafia? I’m not gonna change my style of play and it’s just your opinion that I’m playing the game the “wrong way” when one of my scumreads is the leading lynch yeah?
I really think grack also has an amazing chance of being scum, also at some point of time I’m gonna look back at my mayor list thing and see who’s still mafia
In pretty much your first post you called conversion not town for your own reasons. Now there's both posts from me and Palmar that agree with that.
Then you got into the bitch fight with acro and are now tunnel visioned. Could you just, you know, forget for a moment that he's your nemesis this game and let the points about conversion seep in? I'll even sum them up for you if you're too lazy and ask nicely.
First post was wrong, I made a mistake.
Literally if i said the exact same things that Palmar said about conversion, nothing would happen. He’s being lynched cause Palmar said so, not necessarily because he’s mafia.
That one post that Palmar pointed out is pretty meh, like I could see how town conversion posts that so it’s not the slam dunk that Palmar thinks it is
Grack starts off with a list of hard town reads that kinda show that he isn’t really thinking critically because it’s way too early to have that much confidence. He also never talks about these people again other than listing it in a spoilered list post that he never expects anyone to read
He randomly points out ace’a post and never comes back to it or even refers to it when he’s talking about tubesock or tumble wood being mafia, even though coincidentally it lines up with his only two scumreads at the time
He also didn’t vote for himself for mayor really early on.
His reasoning for choosing Palmar assumes that Palmar is town already and there is 0 doubt in his mind whether Palmar is town, only that he has a good chance to lynch mafia
On March 05 2019 03:06 Oatsmaster wrote: I also like how trefel says that his vote on me was a pressure vote even though nobody asked lol.
Plenty of people (Vivax, sicklucker, Mocsta, etc) have been calling me suspicious for changing my vote really easily upon request. I feel it deserves an explanation. Though I also felt it was obvious enough initially, but it is what it is.
On March 05 2019 03:24 Conversion wrote: do people actually like Tube's filter or is it that there are worse filters out there than his? I can't seem to grab any sort of stance from his filter at all and lots of soft questioning that lead nowhere
On March 04 2019 11:15 Blazinghand wrote: TBH I think it would be reasonable to spend the lynch or the free mayor lynch on me today. I don't mind being knocked out early, and it would give other players a chance to play longer and have more fun. Same with eating a vigi bullet if needed
I would be fine with killing blazinghand today. He asked us to lynch him might as well make me happy. Plus the second sentence feels fake to me. Like no way he actually believes that if he were town.
On March 04 2019 11:15 Blazinghand wrote: TBH I think it would be reasonable to spend the lynch or the free mayor lynch on me today. I don't mind being knocked out early, and it would give other players a chance to play longer and have more fun. Same with eating a vigi bullet if needed
I would be fine with killing blazinghand today. He asked us to lynch him might as well make me happy. Plus the second sentence feels fake to me. Like no way he actually believes that if he were town.
Might be right but it’s not as fun
How is it not fun
Cause I wanna see some drama in my mafia game lamp cmon
On March 04 2019 11:15 Blazinghand wrote: TBH I think it would be reasonable to spend the lynch or the free mayor lynch on me today. I don't mind being knocked out early, and it would give other players a chance to play longer and have more fun. Same with eating a vigi bullet if needed
I would be fine with killing blazinghand today. He asked us to lynch him might as well make me happy. Plus the second sentence feels fake to me. Like no way he actually believes that if he were town.
Might be right but it’s not as fun
How is it not fun
Cause I wanna see some drama in my mafia game lamp cmon
I mean he flips scum yay. If he is town we get to call blazinghand a trash player. Kind of a win win.
We already know he’s a trash player though.
Like for real, I think you are right and that BH is mafia and I’ll lynch him today
On March 05 2019 03:39 Conversion wrote: @Oats what about Grack bothers u besides doing nothing because there are a ton of people that are doing nothing (including me) specifically
On March 04 2019 00:10 Vivax wrote: HF are you jealous of Palmar or something. Let him be the mayor, you should know yourself enough to know that you act upon the weirdest impulses at EoDs.
Not jealous, no. I see the same guy advocating the same lynch as me yet people jumping on his bandwagon and citing that the reason they're doing it is that they want sentinel mayor lynched like it's some revelation that only Palmar has brought to the thread. That's suspicious.
In the process of catching up now, Palmar's policy lynch on Sentinel was simply a lot more noticeable/forceful than yours.
Why isn’t Palmar, Blazinghand, Rels, onegu, pandain, darthFoley, etc on this list too? Are these that much different than straight policy lynches?
I think he asked this question to make Acro seem scummy for pushing low-content posters, and that conflicts with the way that Tubesock has been playing the game so far.
On March 03 2019 17:59 Tubesock wrote:
On March 03 2019 13:47 Tictock wrote: Ok, I came, I saw, I did some things. Seems like ppl are not around so gunna do other things. May check in once more before bed but I am pretty sure I am not going to fully read the stuff I missed.
I'd like someone who is wanting to lynch oats to convince me why he is scum.
Similarly as to why ppl are voting HF for mayor.
If deadline was right now/soon I would push for Meap or Grack to lynch.
You know HF was going to mayor lynch [UoN]Sentinel before it was cool right? So, the difference between HF and Palmar is HF has actually played so far and given plenty of opinions. And exactly like Chezinu said, latching onto this Sentinel policy is right up Palmars alley if both were scum. And absolutely worth it. Plus Palmar doesn’t have to do anything else, talk about skating by.
Vote HF for mayor for the Sentinel kill, ##VOTE: Palmarso he actually plays. Town win wins.
On March 04 2019 01:07 Tubesock wrote: I’m voting Trfl. Maybe he will come play.
If Tubesock is town I don't see why he should be questioning Acro's lynch choices considering his own so far.
Multiple people, myself included, have called acro out on going for low-content posters and your case hinges upon it. Does that affect your read at all?
Nobody else that I recall was attacking Acro for going after low content posters while only pushing people for not posting, and also I dislike the post because I think it's an accusation disguised as a question rather than other people who have just called Acro shit.
Though my process for choosing which filters to read came from which filters I felt were mid-sized and blendy, and I'm probably coming to yours pretty soon too to be honest.
On March 04 2019 05:52 Grackaroni wrote: Also I think Tumblewood is mafia.
It's hard for me to explain but when he plays as town he has controversial opinions and he almost always sticks his foot in his mouth. I know some people like him for his aggressive early post against MZ but I remember when I played mafia with him he entered the thread in the same way, and it gave me bad vibes that he didn't have any posts early on that weren't serious like that.
After your response, I am going to unleash analysis based on your response... so type your words wisely.. or speech to text your words wisely if that's how you rolls... or role...
Brown Chez, always brown.
A wise choice. Well you see. I didn't quite like your coloring skills earlier. You paint my greens and blues red!!!
If you said I was red, then you would explain your coloring skills to assume I'm wrong on my reads.. If you went green, then you would insult my own coloring skills. With brown, you have passed.
Ahh Chez, I may not be as active as I once was but I learned many years ago not to paint you red or green. You are brown and embody it every game. I'm saddened to know that we disagree on the colors of others though. I feel comfortable with some of what I've colored but others I am not so sure of. Who in particular do you you think I've gotten wrong so far?
The iamp and HF. Thought you were dissing me
It's gonna be hard to get me to budge on iamp, his level of effort while still being semi active in the thread just smells like someone who is trying to active lurk his way into escaping attention. He's a solid red for me right now.
I have HF as green, mostly because I thought the way he came after me during the whole conversion discussion was from a townie mindset. And he brought up some good points about Oats which I hadn't fully considered until he mentioned it. Do you color him red?
Not as strongly as I was earlier, I just finished reading everyone's filter which took me a solid 6ish hours so I'm going to take a quick break and clear my head. In the mean time y'all can feel free to check out my notes I created. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JaeEcpko74-Vdm8iN3r1TWsKBW8HITOXUhutGH3bSY8/edit?usp=sharing How you interpret the information there is up to you but I'm just giving out the raw data. Later tonight I'll compile some thoughts based off of that but I'm kinda burnt out now
The one thing I know for sure is that I need someone to vigi the shit out of Blazinghand and possibly Pandain as well.
TW TS Rayn - I changed my mind about Rayn. He had good presence at the start of the game but I don't like what he's been pushing recently and HF legitimately has a good point when he says that Rayn has been talking through people. BH - for not playing but avoiding doing anything too attention grabby so far like random lynch.
If you only read the first page of Grack's filter it's pretty easy to come away thinking he's shit scum not trying to understand the game. But the second page is full of stuff like this. He's showing he's thinking along with the game and reading. He then stopped again, and intermittent behaviour when starting to come under suspicion into lurking under the radar is pretty scummy, but there are better targets.
That said, Oats making an actual case against Grack instead of telling me to fuck off was unexpected. I need people who have played with Oats more to coach me here, as I really don't want to dig into his meta, but does a scum Oats listen to his strongest scumread? Or does he just tell him to go fuck himself? I really like the very short little interaction Oats and I had.
I'm open to lynching trfel instead.
I don’t really see how is second page isn’t just useless activity pretending to find scum. He’s still reading because scum need to find stuff still, blues and 3rd parties but his scumreads don’t feel like his heart is in them and keeping a reads list is a good way not to contradict himself later on, especially as he appears to do nothing with that reads list and like doesn’t even post it for us to read, he spoilers it, subconsciously hiding it from plain sight
On March 04 2019 21:10 WaveofShadow wrote: Am I the only one who didn't find the palmar - - - >mocsta intsraction rude at all?
I thought it was really weird. There wasn't any kind of insult from Palmar, he just said that his posting was scattered and uncontributive and that it seemed like it could come from mafia, which was somehow interpreted as abuse.
So what’s your conclusion buddy? Or more empty words!”?
On March 04 2019 00:10 Vivax wrote: HF are you jealous of Palmar or something. Let him be the mayor, you should know yourself enough to know that you act upon the weirdest impulses at EoDs.
Not jealous, no. I see the same guy advocating the same lynch as me yet people jumping on his bandwagon and citing that the reason they're doing it is that they want sentinel mayor lynched like it's some revelation that only Palmar has brought to the thread. That's suspicious.
In the process of catching up now, Palmar's policy lynch on Sentinel was simply a lot more noticeable/forceful than yours.
On March 04 2019 05:40 Grackaroni wrote:
On March 04 2019 05:35 Fecalfeast wrote:
On March 04 2019 05:33 Grackaroni wrote: I think we should lynch Tubesock for this post:
Why isn’t Palmar, Blazinghand, Rels, onegu, pandain, darthFoley, etc on this list too? Are these that much different than straight policy lynches?
I think he asked this question to make Acro seem scummy for pushing low-content posters, and that conflicts with the way that Tubesock has been playing the game so far.
On March 03 2019 17:59 Tubesock wrote:
On March 03 2019 13:47 Tictock wrote: Ok, I came, I saw, I did some things. Seems like ppl are not around so gunna do other things. May check in once more before bed but I am pretty sure I am not going to fully read the stuff I missed.
I'd like someone who is wanting to lynch oats to convince me why he is scum.
Similarly as to why ppl are voting HF for mayor.
If deadline was right now/soon I would push for Meap or Grack to lynch.
You know HF was going to mayor lynch [UoN]Sentinel before it was cool right? So, the difference between HF and Palmar is HF has actually played so far and given plenty of opinions. And exactly like Chezinu said, latching onto this Sentinel policy is right up Palmars alley if both were scum. And absolutely worth it. Plus Palmar doesn’t have to do anything else, talk about skating by.
Vote HF for mayor for the Sentinel kill, ##VOTE: Palmarso he actually plays. Town win wins.
On March 04 2019 01:07 Tubesock wrote: I’m voting Trfl. Maybe he will come play.
If Tubesock is town I don't see why he should be questioning Acro's lynch choices considering his own so far.
Multiple people, myself included, have called acro out on going for low-content posters and your case hinges upon it. Does that affect your read at all?
Nobody else that I recall was attacking Acro for going after low content posters while only pushing people for not posting, and also I dislike the post because I think it's an accusation disguised as a question rather than other people who have just called Acro shit.
Though my process for choosing which filters to read came from which filters I felt were mid-sized and blendy, and I'm probably coming to yours pretty soon too to be honest.
On March 04 2019 05:52 Grackaroni wrote: Also I think Tumblewood is mafia.
It's hard for me to explain but when he plays as town he has controversial opinions and he almost always sticks his foot in his mouth. I know some people like him for his aggressive early post against MZ but I remember when I played mafia with him he entered the thread in the same way, and it gave me bad vibes that he didn't have any posts early on that weren't serious like that.
Also I disliked the list post he made.
On March 04 2019 10:27 Grackaroni wrote:
On March 04 2019 09:59 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 04 2019 08:25 darthfoley wrote: Interested on MeapZiph's take on iamp after the last 30 pages.
@Meap are you still seeing red?
On March 03 2019 16:00 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 03 2019 15:50 Chezinu wrote:
On March 03 2019 15:42 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 03 2019 15:35 Chezinu wrote: [quote]
A wise choice. Well you see. I didn't quite like your coloring skills earlier. You paint my greens and blues red!!!
If you said I was red, then you would explain your coloring skills to assume I'm wrong on my reads.. If you went green, then you would insult my own coloring skills. With brown, you have passed.
Ahh Chez, I may not be as active as I once was but I learned many years ago not to paint you red or green. You are brown and embody it every game. I'm saddened to know that we disagree on the colors of others though. I feel comfortable with some of what I've colored but others I am not so sure of. Who in particular do you you think I've gotten wrong so far?
The iamp and HF. Thought you were dissing me
It's gonna be hard to get me to budge on iamp, his level of effort while still being semi active in the thread just smells like someone who is trying to active lurk his way into escaping attention. He's a solid red for me right now.
I have HF as green, mostly because I thought the way he came after me during the whole conversion discussion was from a townie mindset. And he brought up some good points about Oats which I hadn't fully considered until he mentioned it. Do you color him red?
Not as strongly as I was earlier, I just finished reading everyone's filter which took me a solid 6ish hours so I'm going to take a quick break and clear my head. In the mean time y'all can feel free to check out my notes I created. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JaeEcpko74-Vdm8iN3r1TWsKBW8HITOXUhutGH3bSY8/edit?usp=sharing How you interpret the information there is up to you but I'm just giving out the raw data. Later tonight I'll compile some thoughts based off of that but I'm kinda burnt out now
The one thing I know for sure is that I need someone to vigi the shit out of Blazinghand and possibly Pandain as well.
TW TS Rayn - I changed my mind about Rayn. He had good presence at the start of the game but I don't like what he's been pushing recently and HF legitimately has a good point when he says that Rayn has been talking through people. BH - for not playing but avoiding doing anything too attention grabby so far like random lynch.
If you only read the first page of Grack's filter it's pretty easy to come away thinking he's shit scum not trying to understand the game. But the second page is full of stuff like this. He's showing he's thinking along with the game and reading. He then stopped again, and intermittent behaviour when starting to come under suspicion into lurking under the radar is pretty scummy, but there are better targets.
That said, Oats making an actual case against Grack instead of telling me to fuck off was unexpected. I need people who have played with Oats more to coach me here, as I really don't want to dig into his meta, but does a scum Oats listen to his strongest scumread? Or does he just tell him to go fuck himself? I really like the very short little interaction Oats and I had.
I'm open to lynching trfel instead.
I don’t really see how is second page isn’t just useless activity pretending to find scum. He’s still reading because scum need to find stuff still, blues and 3rd parties but his scumreads don’t feel like his heart is in them and keeping a reads list is a good way not to contradict himself later on, especially as he appears to do nothing with that reads list and like doesn’t even post it for us to read, he spoilers it, subconsciously hiding it from plain sight
OK. 1) You can't distinguish between somebody looking for mafia and third party. 2) I did not write a reads list to help myself keep track of my reads and then spoiler it because I actually only wanted it to be read by myself.
3) You actually aren't wrong about my scum reads. I'm kind of lukewarm on my TS read and feel pretty good about my TW read but bad about my chances of lynching him.
At the moment I just need to sift through a lot of meh players and see who the best choice out of them is.
Why wouldn’t you want us to see your reads??
So basically you are saying that I’m right but that you aren’t scum. I see.
On March 03 2019 05:17 Tumblewood wrote: ok i have finally caught up. herein lies the deal: + Show Spoiler [acrofales] +
On March 02 2019 16:17 Acrofales wrote: I just started reading and 3 pages in stopped again. From this point onwards, I will be operating on a lynch all liars policy, because holy shit, mafia claims are the dumbest things I have ever seen. So yeah. Claim mafia beyond this point and I'll assume it's the truth. I also refuse to read anything else up to here, unless someone specifically points me somewhere in the first 23 pages worth reading.
Now can we keep the postcount reasonable? This isn't a mini, and I'm going sailing all weekend and have a deadline on Monday.
On March 02 2019 17:14 rsoultin wrote: It means you're doing the things you know I look for when I'm trying to get a read on you, which you've admitted to doing as mafia when I'm in a game. So while it makes me want to townread you I can't be as sure as I'd like to be :/
It's mostly tonal with Trfel. Seems really stiff at the start of the game with LS, even disregarding the smilies. There's a caveat here that I think will work itself out before EoD, though.
i like the caveat part of this post because it shows some real gears turning behind the reads. everything else from her has been whatever (i will be interested eventually in what the caveat is)
the way he entered the thread paints a target on his back in such a pointless and ridiculous way that it seems unlikely from mafia. however i hate it so i will be postponing townread until actual contribution
On March 02 2019 10:01 Trfel wrote: Hi, I am mafia
Cool who are your buddies?
Can't you just check the QT?
Also, to unvote in the mayor election you unmayor someone? That sounds pretty crazy xD And before anyone asks the inevitable question, there are seven mafia in the game, so we don't have to argue about it, cool?
No self respecting town person reads setup.
You're mafia.
This is outstanding analysis and I agree with it 100%
Meh, HF's post is NAI for me (seems more like a general poke, than a real accusation) but my gut really seems to think Meap is mafia all the more for this.
On March 02 2019 10:08 Fecalfeast wrote: Vote me for mayor. I will be the arbiter of truth and justice
But how do we know that you're town here?
For anyone to know that I'm town at this point, that person would have to be scum. I'm here to find scum and lynch them, not prove that I'm town by any means that aren't incidental to my stated goals.
Do you know if youre town?
This is prob just kus Rayn and I have very different personalities/outlooks, but these sort of questions bug me. It's really an accusation that FF is slipping that he is actually mafia, but it's very implied that FF means "anyone else" as he is unlikely to be thinking about his own position. So probably just a weak poke from Rayn, but I dislike. Mostly kus what sort of response do you expect from this question? How can it help you?
Meap seems very Mafia to me on this page, he even does this "Guide me Senpai" thing with HF that I hate. + Show Spoiler +
On March 02 2019 10:01 Trfel wrote: Hi, I am mafia
Cool who are your buddies?
Can't you just check the QT?
Also, to unvote in the mayor election you unmayor someone? That sounds pretty crazy xD And before anyone asks the inevitable question, there are seven mafia in the game, so we don't have to argue about it, cool?
No self respecting town person reads setup.
You're mafia.
He already claimed mafia though didn't you read the opening of the game?
No self respecting townie reads the whole thread.
Sheeeeiiiit this is more quality analysis I can get behind
Is lightingstrike scum too HF?
Gut wants me to vote Meap, so vote Meap I shall.
the commentary on meapak is just not good. i have no idea how he gets a scumread out of the first quoted post, and the second is strange because he attributes HF's post as a likely joke but not meapak's even though he is just affirming HF's joke. also the fact that this is labeled as a gut read despite giving reasoning anyway. i do like this though:
On March 02 2019 14:44 Tictock wrote: Willing to give solid townleans on Trefl and LS, and a minor townlean on Damdred thus far. I've also got a bit of a gutread on FF at this point, but I'm not sharing it yet.
i came into this thinking i was gonna make a scum case on him but after actually reading the rest of his walls of text i'm not feeling it anymore. nothing else gives me the sketchy feeling
he seems very image conscious in his posts on meapak
On March 02 2019 11:13 Jockmcplop wrote: Is it me or is meapak throwing suspicion around without actually trying to get any information? Looks like that is the only story of the last couple of pages
On March 03 2019 03:39 Jockmcplop wrote: I don't wanna be focusing all on one guy but MZ is contradicting himself again while bringing up the same old discussion that derailed the first 2 pages.
On March 02 2019 20:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Jockmcplop can you explain to me why you don't have a read on me (or whatever sticks out means here?) when my top scumread atm is your top scumread for basically the same reasons which i stated before you did?
I think its your posting style more than anything. Our reads are the same but that doesn't mean anything if you're being objective about it. Instinctively I read you very town but something about the way you post bugs me enough to want to see a bit more before I read.
i feel that there is a though process going on behind this. this places jock merely on the watch list
in summary acro and jock are scumleans, everyone else listed is either townlean or town
On March 05 2019 04:45 Vivax wrote: On another note, I'm going to vote Trfel and hope others see the light as well. Don't give a damn about lynching BH. It'd be what he wants and that's a reason not to do it.
On March 05 2019 05:21 Vivax wrote: What's hilarious is that I'd bet that if Palmar is elected mayor, he'll lynch BH who supported him.
I'm fine with that. But I want the majority vote on Trfel.
I too am fine with that! I'm explicitly ok with being policy lynched here. If that's actually his plan I'm gonna stay on him with my mayor vote, in case we actually find and lynch scum instead of me
So why repeatedly defend yourself rather than find some scum in the next three and a half hours?
I'm actually fine dying, I just want people to admit it's a policy lynch. Also, I only had a bit of time to play while in mandatory training and will be leaving in a few minutes, and there was no way I want to read 100 pages of this game. It's simply not going to happen.
On March 05 2019 05:29 Koshi wrote: rsoultin called me town even though I want to lynch her and was only here for the last x hours where x is not higher than 10 in a 72 hour day 1.
PS. I am bothered so many people just let me be here without more pressure. I was thinking in the car that this would be a great mafia koshi stategy.
On March 05 2019 05:29 Koshi wrote: rsoultin called me town even though I want to lynch her and was only here for the last x hours where x is not higher than 10 in a 72 hour day 1.
PS. I am bothered so many people just let me be here without more pressure. I was thinking in the car that this would be a great mafia koshi stategy.
Life’s tough when you are invisible koshi
Yes. It is.
The great Kushmast4 once said he only played mafia so he could see people type his name.
I devolved to the same over time.
I like that you think you weren’t already at that point from the start
On March 05 2019 05:36 WaveofShadow wrote: Won't be around for deadline most likely (depends on if patients show) but considering BH as scum often fucks off entirely then makes some bullshit excuse last second to delay things, I'm totes cools with its. Finish catching up later.
hey guys, as it turns out I'm in the process of moving hosue and I have phot- nah i'm just kidding :v
On March 05 2019 05:04 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Conversion seems more like busy townie with 1 scum read who tries to push that scum read as some sort of contribution to the thread rather than active scum lurker
If only because I've been busy with interviews as well
??? That's completely not my take.
Vote bh
Dude, there's four hours. I'm fine voting BH but let me do my thing. You're annoying me and you didn't even have the courtesy of answering my question -_-
iamp is mostly doing this to avoid playing, and is trying to claim it's something other than a policy lynch for unclear reasons. I'm still chewing on whether or not he's just bad or he's actually scum who just wants to say "hey who could blame me for this?" when it all plays out. given that it's iamp, both are perfectly plausible.
Aren't you the one encouraging people to lynch you? Lol, if you're gonna throw shade at least committ.
I actually tried to self-vote in the voting thread and was told by the host that it's not allowed
On March 05 2019 03:24 Conversion wrote: do people actually like Tube's filter or is it that there are worse filters out there than his? I can't seem to grab any sort of stance from his filter at all and lots of soft questioning that lead nowhere
Tubesock? That's actually not the way I read his filter at all.
To me he feels actually invested in his reads. He's suspicious of me for one, and he's actually asking people about that and looking for support. Sure, he's asking a lot of questions, but at least in my opinion he actually does have a direction.
On March 05 2019 03:45 Acrofales wrote: If you only read the first page of Grack's filter it's pretty easy to come away thinking he's shit scum not trying to understand the game. But the second page is full of stuff like this. He's showing he's thinking along with the game and reading. He then stopped again, and intermittent behaviour when starting to come under suspicion into lurking under the radar is pretty scummy, but there are better targets.
I don't really understand the suspicion of him. I forget what Vivax said about him exactly but I don't think it was anywhere near as convincing as Vivax did. I see Conversion contributing original content and being willing to be in the center of everything, both of which usually come from town.
Same as Conversion really. There are some suspicious things but overall he's willing to be the focus of attention and he is sharing original thoughts, which makes me think he's town.
Lack of time to understand why people are suspicious of him, unless someone wants to point me to a summary? But I doubt I want to lynch him today, his recent activity has seemed very good to me.
His play still feels like mafia to me but I also think he'd be more invested as mafia in particular, I'd like to wait to see him get more involved before making a decision.
Perfect example of being present and being suspicious of people while not actually pushing anything. This post in particular. But throughout his play, being suspicious of general thread suspects without actually showing investment in that, all he cares about doing is asking to be mayor despite his only mayoral vote being himself.
On March 05 2019 04:48 Trfel wrote: Voting Palmar for mayor because of all of the mayors' targets I want to see [UoN]Sentinel lynched most. Him having a townread on himself while claiming to have not read his role PM is super suspicious, moreso the more I think about it. Other than his huge list post he hasn't shown much thought at all, he's been just following the thread sentiment. His overall play makes his effort seem fabricated. A few reasons being quoting my reasoning in one area while highly scumreading me in another, and more importantly not seeming at all invested in his reads. If he put all that effort into reading and making his scumreads, he wouldn't not actually push those reads and follow the thread sentiment like a headless chicken. It feels forced, and like he's trying to use the effort to prove he's town.
Actually could you walk me through your sent read? If he hasn’t read his role pm, I assume that it makes sense he thinks he’s town because that’s both statistically likely and beneficial no matter what alignment he actually is.
On March 05 2019 05:44 Ace wrote: Blazinghand don't get yourself lynched for bs. If you're town you just waste a day as there's no real discussion being generated regarding you, and it's an easy wagon for Scum to hop on.
Ace why are you trying so hard for someone you don’t know the alignment of?
On March 05 2019 05:44 Ace wrote: Blazinghand don't get yourself lynched for bs. If you're town you just waste a day as there's no real discussion being generated regarding you, and it's an easy wagon for Scum to hop on.
Ace why are you trying so hard for someone you don’t know the alignment of?
Define trying
Posting exclusively about how we shouldn’t lynch BH in your last like 5 posts
On March 05 2019 06:14 sicklucker wrote: or we can sheep me onto tref which seems to be a growing trend. altho I feel like If I were to read his filter id be suckered into unvoting so I wont. gotta go with your gut
On March 05 2019 06:07 Koshi wrote: Rsoultin is mafia.
Maybe, I’m not sure why she’s waffling on grack and using that to read me
Grack's filter is just very nullish, but I like that you're picking up on someone others are ignoring. Tbf I thought your filter looked townish before I started reading grack.
How is his filter nullish? Also you mayorvoted someone else at the start of the game. Scummmy
On March 05 2019 06:07 Koshi wrote: Rsoultin is mafia.
Maybe, I’m not sure why she’s waffling on grack and using that to read me
Grack's filter is just very nullish, but I like that you're picking up on someone others are ignoring. Tbf I thought your filter looked townish before I started reading grack.
How is his filter nullish? Also you mayorvoted someone else at the start of the game. Scummmy
There's a couple things i like in it. Including noting all these 'vote to play' things tubesock did. And while I genuinely dislike the whole reveal nonsense it seems like something a town player might get stubborn about over a mafia player. Most of his filter is zzz though.
yeah that point was okay but what does he do with it? There’s no motivation he has to actually like commit to anything. The reveal nonsense was super non-alignment indicative
On March 05 2019 06:20 sicklucker wrote: na I need a confirmation too many rambos on this site who will shot vivax day 1 and waste are shit or something
Iamp is advocating to lynch bh constantly. It is our best bet.
Palmar tje fucker will shoot sentinel because palmar might be mafia.
Holyflare will shoot Palmar because town!HF is not really top tier and he doesnt know better.
On March 05 2019 06:38 Holyflare wrote: Palmar (11): Palmar, Ticktock, Meapak_Zipphh, Acrofales, Vivax, WaveofShadow, Grackaroni, Conversion, Alakaslam, Trfel, Blazinghand
How has this guy got 11 people voting for him when his sole policy is only to kill Sentinel who doesn't even look bad?
Almost the entirety, if not THE entirety of this wagon is the sketchiest people in this game. It's even growing!
I don't think Vivax or TT are sketch but yea, there are some questionable names on that wagon.
Why isn't Palmar pushing for a Mocsta mayor lynch considering he grilled him for like 3 pages over stuff? I guess I can understand why not Conversion considering Conversion is a leading wagon, but the fact that Palmar has been around but hasn't backed off the Sentinel idea is bonkers.
We should be voting HF or Iamp as mayor imo
>> No. Not we should be voting HF or Iamp. We should choose HF or Iamp to vote and stop spreading them like tards.
On March 05 2019 06:20 sicklucker wrote: na I need a confirmation too many rambos on this site who will shot vivax day 1 and waste are shit or something
Iamp is advocating to lynch bh constantly. It is our best bet.
Palmar tje fucker will shoot sentinel because palmar might be mafia.
Holyflare will shoot Palmar because town!HF is not really top tier and he doesnt know better.
Still no comprendo. Me no speak English.
He wants you to pad his ego.
Hey ace why koshi?
Random vote. Got a prod that I didn't have a vote on anyone. I'll change if Im around before EOD.
On March 05 2019 09:41 Holyflare wrote: for the record if I knew bh was not getting lynched I would have absolutely switched it to him but it was already locked in
how is it locked in ?
that makes no sense you could have changed
I don't think so? I PMd it saying lynch palmar a long time ago when it was called for in the thread and when the deadline came I was told it was palmar selected. Didn't really get given any other opportunity but it is what it is.
You could probably read the thread but it is what is Mr. Mafia
On March 05 2019 10:08 Holyflare wrote: It's been too long and you haven't witnessed the new only plays on phone and has to work all the time Holyflare. I'm not very good anymore but my ego hasn't deflated to match.
On March 05 2019 10:09 Acrofales wrote: Man. This is gonna be a boring few days. We lynch sentinel and wiggles. After that we need to switch our brains back on.
We kill HolyFlare.
Unfortunately no. We don't. Sentinel and Wiggles were exactly as bad, and were also high priority scumreads from the dead town Palmar.
On March 05 2019 17:03 AMG wrote: The last time I replaced into a game with you two in it, you both got shot 24 hours later and left me with Oats and lurkers galore. Dont to that again please
On March 05 2019 20:09 Koshi wrote: And if anybody asks. I sheep marv because I love him and because I felt the coolness and awesomeness when he entered the thread.
I wont be posting much more till d4 or d5.
I have enough filter to make a correct call. But I agree that playing townie for 8ish hours is in my mafia range.
wow look at the big brain on this guy
buddy, "play townie all game until the final 3, convince the other two people, both of whom are townies, to vote each other, and win" is in my mafia range
Looking at Mr wriggles filter, he’s about as bland as a bowl of porridge. He doesn’t put himself out there, doesn’t really seem interested in finding scum and is kinda cruising doing whatever, take some real fencesitting reads. mafia
On March 06 2019 01:52 Oatsmaster wrote: Also the only reason why conversions vote switch is bad is if bh is a power mafia role
what? If BH is scum (which I am doubting), conversion's vote switch is an obvious play for scum, and we're waffling around it. It doesn't make much sense to analyse it, because we can't even pressure conversion about it (which is, btw, a fantastic reason to do it as scum, and imho an abuse of game mechanics around replacements). But scummarv will show himself, and there's a couple of people ahead of him in the lynch pile.
On March 06 2019 01:52 Oatsmaster wrote: Also the only reason why conversions vote switch is bad is if bh is a power mafia role
what? If BH is scum (which I am doubting), conversion's vote switch is an obvious play for scum, and we're waffling around it. It doesn't make much sense to analyse it, because we can't even pressure conversion about it (which is, btw, a fantastic reason to do it as scum, and imho an abuse of game mechanics around replacements). But scummarv will show himself, and there's a couple of people ahead of him in the lynch pile.
Is it illegal to share my opinion acro?
No. But try to make sense when you do. Your one-liner is a complete non-sequitur.
you rather I randomly quote someone who said conversion was hella scummy?
On March 06 2019 01:52 Oatsmaster wrote: Also the only reason why conversions vote switch is bad is if bh is a power mafia role
what? If BH is scum (which I am doubting), conversion's vote switch is an obvious play for scum, and we're waffling around it. It doesn't make much sense to analyse it, because we can't even pressure conversion about it (which is, btw, a fantastic reason to do it as scum, and imho an abuse of game mechanics around replacements). But scummarv will show himself, and there's a couple of people ahead of him in the lynch pile.
Is it illegal to share my opinion acro?
No. But try to make sense when you do. Your one-liner is a complete non-sequitur.
you rather I randomly quote someone who said conversion was hella scummy?
No. But ok. You already dealt with if BH is a townie. Now:
On March 06 2019 01:52 Oatsmaster wrote: Also the only reason why conversions vote switch is bad is if bh is a power mafia role
What if BH is a goon?
Then the switch is ~~~ because conversion has to know that he’s probably going down after bh flips so there’s a decent chance it’s a 2 for 1 so I’m not sure he does that if bh is a goon
On March 06 2019 01:52 Oatsmaster wrote: Also the only reason why conversions vote switch is bad is if bh is a power mafia role
what? If BH is scum (which I am doubting), conversion's vote switch is an obvious play for scum, and we're waffling around it. It doesn't make much sense to analyse it, because we can't even pressure conversion about it (which is, btw, a fantastic reason to do it as scum, and imho an abuse of game mechanics around replacements). But scummarv will show himself, and there's a couple of people ahead of him in the lynch pile.
Is it illegal to share my opinion acro?
No. But try to make sense when you do. Your one-liner is a complete non-sequitur.
you rather I randomly quote someone who said conversion was hella scummy?
No. But ok. You already dealt with if BH is a townie. Now:
On March 06 2019 01:52 Oatsmaster wrote: Also the only reason why conversions vote switch is bad is if bh is a power mafia role
What if BH is a goon?
Then the switch is ~~~ because conversion has to know that he’s probably going down after bh flips so there’s a decent chance it’s a 2 for 1 so I’m not sure he does that if bh is a goon
Does he though? He was replaced out and could never be called out on his vote switching shenanigans, and BH already explained how townies can do it. Moreover, it was in the context of HF shooting Palmar in the face, so scum also knew that shitstorm was going down simultaneously. I reckon he figured he could get away with it, and being replaced by marv, the king of scummers everywhere, there was a good chance they'd even bullshit their way out of it. At least as long as BH is unflipped, anyway.
And they aren't wrong. We probably shouldn't focus on that. BH looks like he might start playing, and his "GG guys" post was pretty townie (although if they knew they were gonna vote shenannies, that could've been precrafted to be good).
Meanwhile, the HF situation is a far bigger problem. Either one of the major town voices is scum and we need to get rid of him. Or he's an idiot scum sympathizer and we have to get rid of him anyway. So we need to get rid of HF *now*. Or in the words of the great Palmar, may he rest in peace:
Sadly you have to kill HF if he murders me. I'm not even sure he's mafia but it'll be an argument for days and days if you don't. Get it over with.
Other stuff
Yes dude that’s what I also said, I’m not sure why you really asked me all that to end up with the conclusion that “it doesn’t really matter right now”
On March 06 2019 02:37 Vivax wrote: Anyway, here's my 100% scummers in case I die.
Iamp, Oats, Marv, Sentinel.
My 50 % scummers. Half of those are townies.
rsoultin, Wiggles, Pandain, ExO, BH, TS
Rayn not mafia cause can't be mafia with iamp in 9/10 cases. HF just decided to be a selfish dumbass and shit up the game and hurt my feelings, but alas, he's town by PoE. He literally doesn't give a shit about being townread when town. All he cares about is that people are wrong about him no matter his alignment so he can pat himself on the back.
Nice list buddy, thanks for not playing for town even if you are town
I'd still lean Oats (???) because even with that pressure he doesn't commit to any sort of scum team besides "half the thread", at least in any meaningful way to advance the game.
Like this post is why Sentinel is confirmed scum.
When you're town, you read something that catches your attention, form the opinion, then go write about it to justify your opinion.
Here you have Sentinel forgetting to fill in the blank cause first he wrote up some bsbsbsbs, then he tried to decide what would be the best way to read Oats for that. Basically mafia with his pants down.
On March 06 2019 04:01 rsoultin wrote: Also, for the record, though I'm mocking the auto-lynch mindset perpetuated by people who can't think for themselves, a BH flip is still best for everyone and 100% should be facilitated before day phase so the idiots can have a chance to check their idiocy. Not that I'm holding my breath.
You want to lynch someone you think is town...,.......................... .
Yes that's what this post clearly meant good job proving why it's pointless for me to explain reads with this level of reading comprehension floating around the thread.
I just see things so scummy sometimes that I stare at my phone in disbelief.
You suggesting to lynch someone that is town to help clear the air is either scum motivated at best and at worst idiotic.
On March 06 2019 05:52 LightningStrike wrote: Guys we lynching HF because of him killing Palmar over BH who was the opposite wagon of Tfrel was so antitown that I don't think he would do that as Town in that situation. I don't think a town HF is that big of an idiot to use the mayor lynch on a very active Palmar like that.
What if Palmar flipped mafia though LS, what would you be saying then?
I would be shocked on that though but I thought he was town before that. No more talking to confirmed scum ^_^
So put yourself in my position where I thought he WAS mafia. Why would I let him talk and influence the thread anymore? You're literally saying it now, you think I'm mafia so you shouldn't acknowledge a word I say.
I thought Palmar was mafia and none of you should acknowledge the words he was saying. Turns out I was wrong, it happens. Just because I had the responsibility of pulling the trigger does not make the person any more guilty than the people that voted him to do so, knowing full well that he would.
Why didn’t you know you could change your mayor lynch?
On March 05 2019 01:01 kitaman27 wrote: In case there was any confusion regarding the mechanics of the mayor lynch, the night post will be delayed until the mayor submits their lynch. If the leading candidates do not anticipate being around for the deadline and want to submit their lynch via PM ahead of time, that is fine. The game will be paused until the mayor lynch has been submitted and then the night post will be posted, revealing the alignments and roles of both lynched players.
Holyflare where in this does it say that you can’t change your lynch
On March 05 2019 01:01 kitaman27 wrote: In case there was any confusion regarding the mechanics of the mayor lynch, the night post will be delayed until the mayor submits their lynch. If the leading candidates do not anticipate being around for the deadline and want to submit their lynch via PM ahead of time, that is fine. The game will be paused until the mayor lynch has been submitted and then the night post will be posted, revealing the alignments and roles of both lynched players.
Holyflare where in this does it say that you can’t change your lynch
Can we just fucking drop this and I will prove it to you after the game?
On March 06 2019 10:12 Grackaroni wrote: Ok I'm going to stick around for the next 5 hours or so and see what I can find.
I need to see cooler heads prevail here even though I think HF is a dumbass. I have nothing against lynching Palmar day 1. I just think that Palmar's posts this game were pretty obviously high quality posts ignoring his name.
HF is probably not mafia. Early in the day multiple people said that he was a worse mayor choice than Palmar because he was liable to do something stupid. I knew he would do something stupid. His ego tells him that the only way that Palmar can have more votes than him is if Palmar is mafia. To no surprise he does something stupid. There is maybe a 10% chance that HF makes a calculated play as mafia to get rid of Palmar knowing he can talk his way out of the lynch the next day.
On March 06 2019 17:24 Holyflare wrote: The people voting me are on the biggest cop out lynch of 2019. I bet they're the same people that whined that BH didn't get shot too.
What benefit does my flip bring other than drawing you closer to end game? BH at least gives you the information about wagons. I'm also pumping out content comparatively to BH who is just sitting there with the most information in the game about his wagon and instead he's still just repeating to kill him. You may not agree with what I'm writing but that's your choice.
You can look at MZ's spreadsheet to see how stupid lynching palmar would have been if I was mafia. I'm not stupid as mafia, I demand thread consensus and people town reading me because it's the path of least resistance.
I will look into you Holyflare voters and if I see that you complained that BH isn't dead I will know your motivation about lynching me is completely feigned.
Literally wanna lynch holyflare off this post alone
Just for giggles, who would you have lynched if you were mafia holyflare?
Some point this cycle. Preferably after ace responds. I want ur take on my ace case
I don't agree with it. Why would someone fabled for being so good at mafia make such blatantly false accusations? If he doesn't come up with some read based on those posts then yeah, probably mafia.
Wait a minute, if Ace made blatantly false accusations then he can’t be mafia right because he wouldn’t do it, he’s too good as scum.
But here you are saying that if he doesn’t have an explanation ie. made blatantly false accusations then he’s mafia?! That doesn’t make any sense
On March 06 2019 17:57 Holyflare wrote: Anyone that cares.
1) I'll show you post game how the cycle ended so that can be cleared up instantly.
2) BC conveniently leaves out the point about koshi being confirmed by mod confirmation. I started to not believe it eventually but then Koshi played and looked towny anyway. This is cherry picking at its finest lol.
3) I mean Palmar is still not top 7
4) Obviously this was updated by the fact I didn't want to lynch trfel over BH when I thought trfel looked not awful at deadline? Being wrong doesn't mean I'm mafia and neither does having good town reads, which is what I do better than finding mafia.
Shocker I know right? The guy literally led us down a wrong path all fucking game. He has lied by his own admission multiple times. He claimed he would mayor lynch Sentinel, then Palmar. Said he wasn't serious on the Palmar lynch, then says he lies a few hours before deadline and offs Palmar who flips backup cop. He said he shot BH then claimed that he only did so to create tension in the thread. However his outrage about the game being full of blues seems one that an angry mafia could make. The other thing that gets me about his lying is he claims that he couldnt change his mayor vote because it was locked in while being insanely active right at the time the lynch was happening so could have changed it had he wished but claimed
On March 05 2019 09:41 Holyflare wrote: for the record if I knew bh was not getting lynched I would have absolutely switched it to him but it was already locked in
how is it locked in ?
that makes no sense you could have changed
I don't think so? I PMd it saying lynch palmar a long time ago when it was called for in the thread and when the deadline came I was told it was palmar selected. Didn't really get given any other opportunity but it is what it is.
Unless things have drastically changed since I played this game. If you had any action you could take whatsoever you could change it more than once before a deadline hit. So if this has changed feel free to correct me but until then this is a straight up fucking lie.
Next few thing that gets me however that stood out after a filter dive is this.
On March 04 2019 00:55 rsoultin wrote: The whole thing where LS's only 'scumread' out of 34 other people is MZ, and then he wants to kill Koshi screams to me of a Koshi that rolled scum and told his buddies to just lynch him.
If LS flips scum, MZ probably is scum, too, so that's three right there.
On March 04 2019 00:55 rsoultin wrote: The whole thing where LS's only 'scumread' out of 34 other people is MZ, and then he wants to kill Koshi screams to me of a Koshi that rolled scum and told his buddies to just lynch him.
If LS flips scum, MZ probably is scum, too, so that's three right there.
Koshi is confirmed town though so it's ok.
HOW THE FUCK IS HE CONFIRMED TOWN? HE NEVER FUCKING POSTED THIS ENTIRE GAME?
On March 04 2019 00:58 Holyflare wrote: Magic LightningStrike, magic
This exchange right here. How if a player who hasn't posted at that point in time even remotely close to being considered confirmed town? The only way that you would know this is if you actually knew his alignment.
Another gem. To discredit Palmar he uses this as one of his reasons to discredit him.
Can you really trust Palmar as mayor when he's not even top 7?
Bashing a player based on stats out of game rather than in game play? If you honestly believe (based on stats) that you are a better player than someone why do you need to bring that up as your reason? Should be good enough to win an election based on pure skill.
On March 05 2019 08:23 Holyflare wrote: Arbitrary list. Please tell me which of the ones I haven't read should be read asap. Bit annoying the bottom half of the player list has a lot of scummy people to read. I cba writing anymore so close to deadline.
tubesock (Could be wrong on him but his filter seems clean and he's making his own conclusions (albeit just on trfel, but trfel is the new flavour of the month and he was first so looks ok)
Fecalfeast (Don't hate anything he's said. In fact on page 2 of his filter everything he says there kind of aligns with what I've been thinking. His vote platform seems carefree and like he doesn't really give a shit, just wants to do his own thing. Very acro focused but not in an awful way. Content seems minimal though so he's not up at town.
Null
Onegu (legit has done 0 things)
Mr. Wiggles (seems resolute in looking at unturned stones, could just be blending but seems ok(?) Asked me to look into one of the T guys (tube?) but he didn't look bad in his filter at all so dropped to null)
WaveofShadow I want to believe Wave has a lack of emotion but he's done this exact thing of lurking and feigning before. I'd find it hard to motivate myself if I rolled mafia in this big game after a massive break like him too He hasn't got anything to go on really. Scummy just appearing.
Ace (Really has achieved not much. Voted me for mayor which is a big + and the things he says aren't not-towny in a vacuum but until he reaches a conclusion and votes not a placeholder for lynch there's really nothing to go on. Has weird posts in relation to BH when he hasn't really commented on much of the game apart from that)
Oatsmaster (don't hate his new direction - which is still seemingly every direction - but he's digging at least)
Tictock (This would absolutely be in the lower categories if it wasn't for his big appeal to emotion post against me which I have a big weakness for. I don't like that he decided to do the catch up style this game. He misses questions aimed towards him, gave up the style and ignored the pages in between. His logic has been wonky on a lot of people's posts and he seems to make a determined decision on someone's alignment and then make a narrative without weighing up both sides. But that AtE post though....)
ExO_ When reading through the thread there was a discussion that exo was present for and he kept asking random questions and not really interacting with it and I voted him for it. Upon reading his filter I got a completely different clean impression so he's in a null placeholder until I re-read that whole time he was in thread.
Scum-ish
Tumblewood (looks very low effort, may be mistaken on this though but it's a lot of questions that don't end up much of anywhere and lots of seemingly sentiment following on mayor lynches)
Trfel (Feel disgusting doing this (putting him in null) after he scum reads sentinel for something that happened almost 72 hours ago but I don't think he says he doesn't think Oats is posting like mafia and then backtracks and votes for him as mafia. That seems like something he'd be too self conscious to do. But then he says things like "oats (pressure vote)" as if he never meant it so this started as null but it's actually now scum-ish)
Acrofales (This dude has looked scummy quite a lot. First was when he said he was sheeping Palmar because he trusted him more to find scum while scum reading the person I wanted to lynch. Then he said I didn't look that great because I was scum reading Oats for bad reasons and then he made a list of why Oats was scum which was entirely made up of my reasons. Then I said I scum read rayn and he said he doesn't scum read rayn. When Palmar came with a bs reason to scum read rayn Acro basically reneged on his plan to vote me because he agreed that Rayn looked like mafia when nothing from rayn had happened in between. Every time I think about these occurrences it makes me want to drop him down further. Don't ask me why I don't. He has ok looking breakthroughs every now and again)
raynpelikoneet Talked through me. Ignroed rsoultin. Disappeared and reappeared to appeal to me and vote palmar/(think he disliked acro too). Conflicted heavily at the moment.
Scum
Blazinghand (No RNG, no posts of content. Just doing whatever to seem like the good towny martyr. I think I've seen him do this exact play before as mafia.)
Mocsta (This dude, does anyone know where his head is at? I sure don't. He +1s my post scum reading Palmar, gets in a shit show with Palmar and then somehow bows down to him after having a meltdown like 2.4 seconds before over Palmar's really weak Conversion read????????????? Just read his filter progression with me and Palmar and be prepared to go "What?")
Palmar - (wishy washy Iamp post, wishy washy Acro post. I call him out that he has no solid scum reads and he has to hunker down and scum read someone. Defaults to Sentinel still, can't see any motivation from sentinel other than scum motivation. He then makes some bs analysis of the wagons acknowledging that his wagon is the most scum motivated one to follow but doesn't use that to reevaluate anything and doesn't question which of the people on the wagon are scummy. He defends Pandain who has literally posted nothing but coaching.
Makes a movement for Rayn to be mafia based on Rayn's activity which hasn't meant anything since a long time now. Doesn't even get what Rayn said correct.
Doesn't even know what Damdred/Rsoul posted about LS. Not interested in figuring out game, instead tried to use others to prove his point.
Wants to vote Conversion because Conversion was lazy but attributes it to mafia motivation instead of just someone being lazy. That's the crux of his entire read. Fakes some floundering on it when Conversion posts some irl excuse, seems pretty forced.
After nothing in between Conversion drops off max scum vote list and is replaced with lurker and policy lynch. Not great at all.)
LightningStrike (No scum reads. Only mentioned MZ once or twice but never really actually said anything about him of substance. Rage quit from the thread but still votes and still afks in the background. He finds it really hard to write scum reads as scum because it's against his nature. He hasn't done the characteristic "these two are fighting so one of them is mafia" post that he always does as town. He hasn't really given anything to go on. Rage seemed forced. He's fucking voting Palmar, jeeeeezzuusss.)
Chezinu (This is without reading his filter and just off memory alone. He does not seem to be having fun, his RP posts are quite devoid of anything entertaining. He's been trying to determine if I'm blue. He has been actually posting reads and being serious which is a complete juxtaposition to any time I've ever ever seen Chezinu been town (or really mafia either) but from what I can see there seems to be agenda in Chez. I will update this on actually reading him because I can't remember a single one of his reads.
Now you may look at this and go “wtf why choose this post” However look at it. His confirmed 100% town were both capped and flipped green but one of his strongest scum reads and heavily leaned scum reads both flipped town. Meaning the only place he has been correct is where he places town reads. 1 of which he had a read on 100% before the player posted. Seems super fucking fishy.
She was on my radar day 1 as well. This shouldn't be a surprise.
1) She makes posts like this
On March 02 2019 20:35 rsoultin wrote: Like for me it breaks down like this:
You've got trolling people. You've got lurking people. You've got lazy people. You've got some overly aggressives that aren't giving me warm fuzzies (MP). You've got people I'm not sure about who when I'm not sure about them have a nasty habit of being scum (Rayn) but because he's burned me so often I'm not sure if that's not where the uncertainty's coming from.
And then you have seemingly excited to play, I respect the shit out of his intelligence Chez playing but not saying anything interesting. That first group can hide a lot of bad town play. But doing something without doing anything ticks off my scum meter to a higher degree.
Now what gets me from this is the characterization that Chez wasn't saying anything interesting. He was roleplaying sure, but he also had a string of very useful posts that weren't roleplay at all. As someone who dislikes lazy people, and trolling people perhaps doing a proper analysis of someones posting history to that point would you know? Non hypocritical.
On March 02 2019 20:58 rsoultin wrote: What are your reads that don't matter BC?
This was another read flag for me. A read that doesn't matter? Why would you ever want someone to actively give you information that is useless? Anyone can give a read but to provide no substance or reasoning for it is just useless and scummy. Asking for that info is just as bad.
Now the next things for me are this.
Chez is her #1 scum read. Rather than heavily pushing this (will admit she made an analysis post on him) She then waffles off wanting to off him (no real reason I could spot) then starts randomly sheeping other peoples reads
On March 03 2019 20:12 Palmar wrote: To be fair I mostly like Acro just for these two posts. They're the logical way to play the game.
Kill the policy lynch, continue playing.
On March 03 2019 17:09 Acrofales wrote: Enters Palmar: he claims to feel strongly about killing sent. So let him do it. All you need to decide is if Palmar is townie enough. But if we decide Palmar is townie enough to be mayor then he is free to kill whoever he likes. He sticks with sentinel and sentinel flips scum? We win, yay! Sheep Palmar into Armageddon. Sentinel flips town? We figure out if Palmars policy lynch is an ideological thing or a scum thing. Either way, we get information about Palmar out of this, which is a great thing to get out of D1.
On March 03 2019 17:11 Acrofales wrote: Oh, also, if sent was actually playing and being townie, I'd be more inclined to want him to live. But he has used this "foil" to be an attention whore and cop out of doing anything else so far. Not town play.
@Palmar, let's assume Acro is the leading lynch candidate but your vote could choose somebody else to lynch. Who would you lynch instead of Acro, that isn't Sent?
Palmar's entire post history seems to be super focused on this policy lynch of Sent -- that's it. Town Reads HF, Town Reads Acro. He's not wanting to scum hunt on day 1, but go all in on a policy lynch. I don't think I mind having a strong conviction about the policy lynch, but I think I do mind only green reading other people and only pushing your one policy lynch.
I think Palmar is scum.
I like Rayn's read on Palmar, ironically, cause I think they're both scum.
Palmar not playing on a weekend is Palmar-y. Palmar playing is Palmar-y. This half and half stuff I wouldn't trust with a 10-foot pole and I hate how much support he's gotten. I also hate that some of that is probably from shit town who just see the shiny name and go oh, Palmar, he's a god, let's check our brains at the door.
-cocks head at- So you've decided to play rather than whine about people saying a person who was only posting images was a good vig target?
So this post just makes me want to facepalm. Why? Because she basically just said because its Palmar hes mafia. Because he has any support hes mafia. More important she is bothered by the name he has and blames shit town for trying to vote him into the slot of mayor. Now we know that Palmar flipped town. So those people that voted for him clearly arent as shit as this read of hers is. Next thing with this is she doesn't decide to hard push her own reads instead she SHEEPS unto the BH bandwagon. The thing that gets me about this is this. SHE SAYS SHE THINKS HE IS TOWN AND STILL WANTS TO LYNCH HIM.
Why the fuck do you ever want to kill a town read? Like seriously. Why would you lynch someone you believe to be town. She has scumreads for fucks sake. Was active enough to push them. Instead lets push a town read for information because the potential information is better than offing a scum. Jesus fuck.
On March 06 2019 04:01 rsoultin wrote: Also, for the record, though I'm mocking the auto-lynch mindset perpetuated by people who can't think for themselves, a BH flip is still best for everyone and 100% should be facilitated before day phase so the idiots can have a chance to check their idiocy. Not that I'm holding my breath.
You want to lynch someone you think is town...,.......................... .
Yes that's what this post clearly meant good job proving why it's pointless for me to explain reads with this level of reading comprehension floating around the thread.
I just see things so scummy sometimes that I stare at my phone in disbelief.
You suggesting to lynch someone that is town to help clear the air is either scum motivated at best and at worst idiotic.
l2r
That post imo also sheds potential like on Iamp being killed. To my reading he was the only one to call her out for it..
This is mainly from a filter dive. Everything in it screams of someone coming in and skirting activity while posting nothing of substance. Hell he never comes into the thread and express a real reason or read to his vote on Trfel. Just sheeped onto it like nothing ever happened. Hell the only real time Tumblewood even expressed a read on Trfel it was a town read. So he sheeped a wagon to off a person he believed was town. Again, no fucking reason to do this ever. Clearly red.
Whatever the particulars of the bad Palmar scumread, I still think this is easily the most compelling reason for the HF scum case:
On March 06 2019 09:38 Blazinghand wrote: HF why did you claim a shot on me?
Here's a theory as to why HF did this. It is because he is scum.
In the Scum QT: Holyflare: Hey guys, the deadline is coming up. We know a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and then probably claim after the daypost. Other Scums: yeah, sounds accurate to me. Holyflare: then Blazinghand will flip town, and i'm going to look real bad. Other Scums: oh no! Holyflare: ok, but here's the plan. I'm going to, right before the end of the night, with second on the clock, claim that I'm the vigi and am shooting BH. Other Scums: why would you do this HF? we're not shooting BH... Holflare: see, a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and I will get autolynched D2 unless I can pose as the vigi who shot him. This will allow me to get in one more mislynch, as people will trust me. If the real vigi counterclaims, that's still a better situation than if I never claimed in the first place and just let myself get autolynched. Other Scums: good idea
Then, for some reason, I didn't get shot, and now HF has to just pretend he never claimed he was shooting me
HF has largely abandoned his provably false ideas of "well, I couldn't change the mayor lynch" given the way the mayor lynch is received mechanically and the fact he was in thread and watched and commented on the shenannnies as they went down. Just for killing Palmar is he scum? eh, maybe not. But for lying about it, then slithering away from the lie when called out? oh yeah baby
I will quite literally quote my mod PM post game to prove it. Please stop posting this trash. I stand by my statement that it was locked in before I could say anything.
Nobody should believe this part unless the hosts post something in the thread. And holyflare has shown no interest in actually prodding them to do that so I can only assume it’s a lie
On March 06 2019 21:13 rsoultin wrote: My goal, for anyone who cares, is to work toward a consensus for a counter lynch to HF. I'm a bit distracted with our new house guest and other things but by the end of today (not the day phase) I'll have reread the game and everyone's intentions around the voting and put forth some scumreads as options.
Anyone else with options is absolutely encouraged to voice them. Ace is one of those. I've put forth Tube pending a reread. Onegu's been mentioned.
I'll try to keep an eye on the thread to discuss with anyone who wants to discuss.
And I'd encourage those of you who are town and determined to lynch HF because either you think he's scum or 'has to go' to stop engaging. We know your point of view. It's boring and getting in the way. You can imagine what we're doing is a scum scramble and call us all mafia for considering alternatives. Let HF focus on the game. If you want to discuss other reads be my guest.
Obviously can't enforce this but in the scenario where HF is town (which I believe) it minimizes scum's ability to goad him into uselessness and make this day a complete wash.
This is good.
Why is giving us advice good play WoS? Literally says nothing in a lot of words
Shocker I know right? The guy literally led us down a wrong path all fucking game. He has lied by his own admission multiple times. He claimed he would mayor lynch Sentinel, then Palmar. Said he wasn't serious on the Palmar lynch, then says he lies a few hours before deadline and offs Palmar who flips backup cop. He said he shot BH then claimed that he only did so to create tension in the thread. However his outrage about the game being full of blues seems one that an angry mafia could make. The other thing that gets me about his lying is he claims that he couldnt change his mayor vote because it was locked in while being insanely active right at the time the lynch was happening so could have changed it had he wished but claimed
On March 05 2019 09:41 Holyflare wrote: for the record if I knew bh was not getting lynched I would have absolutely switched it to him but it was already locked in
how is it locked in ?
that makes no sense you could have changed
I don't think so? I PMd it saying lynch palmar a long time ago when it was called for in the thread and when the deadline came I was told it was palmar selected. Didn't really get given any other opportunity but it is what it is.
Unless things have drastically changed since I played this game. If you had any action you could take whatsoever you could change it more than once before a deadline hit. So if this has changed feel free to correct me but until then this is a straight up fucking lie.
Next few thing that gets me however that stood out after a filter dive is this.
On March 04 2019 00:55 rsoultin wrote: The whole thing where LS's only 'scumread' out of 34 other people is MZ, and then he wants to kill Koshi screams to me of a Koshi that rolled scum and told his buddies to just lynch him.
If LS flips scum, MZ probably is scum, too, so that's three right there.
On March 04 2019 00:55 rsoultin wrote: The whole thing where LS's only 'scumread' out of 34 other people is MZ, and then he wants to kill Koshi screams to me of a Koshi that rolled scum and told his buddies to just lynch him.
If LS flips scum, MZ probably is scum, too, so that's three right there.
Koshi is confirmed town though so it's ok.
HOW THE FUCK IS HE CONFIRMED TOWN? HE NEVER FUCKING POSTED THIS ENTIRE GAME?
On March 04 2019 00:58 Holyflare wrote: Magic LightningStrike, magic
This exchange right here. How if a player who hasn't posted at that point in time even remotely close to being considered confirmed town? The only way that you would know this is if you actually knew his alignment.
Another gem. To discredit Palmar he uses this as one of his reasons to discredit him.
Can you really trust Palmar as mayor when he's not even top 7?
Bashing a player based on stats out of game rather than in game play? If you honestly believe (based on stats) that you are a better player than someone why do you need to bring that up as your reason? Should be good enough to win an election based on pure skill.
On March 05 2019 08:23 Holyflare wrote: Arbitrary list. Please tell me which of the ones I haven't read should be read asap. Bit annoying the bottom half of the player list has a lot of scummy people to read. I cba writing anymore so close to deadline.
tubesock (Could be wrong on him but his filter seems clean and he's making his own conclusions (albeit just on trfel, but trfel is the new flavour of the month and he was first so looks ok)
Fecalfeast (Don't hate anything he's said. In fact on page 2 of his filter everything he says there kind of aligns with what I've been thinking. His vote platform seems carefree and like he doesn't really give a shit, just wants to do his own thing. Very acro focused but not in an awful way. Content seems minimal though so he's not up at town.
Null
Onegu (legit has done 0 things)
Mr. Wiggles (seems resolute in looking at unturned stones, could just be blending but seems ok(?) Asked me to look into one of the T guys (tube?) but he didn't look bad in his filter at all so dropped to null)
WaveofShadow I want to believe Wave has a lack of emotion but he's done this exact thing of lurking and feigning before. I'd find it hard to motivate myself if I rolled mafia in this big game after a massive break like him too He hasn't got anything to go on really. Scummy just appearing.
Ace (Really has achieved not much. Voted me for mayor which is a big + and the things he says aren't not-towny in a vacuum but until he reaches a conclusion and votes not a placeholder for lynch there's really nothing to go on. Has weird posts in relation to BH when he hasn't really commented on much of the game apart from that)
Oatsmaster (don't hate his new direction - which is still seemingly every direction - but he's digging at least)
Tictock (This would absolutely be in the lower categories if it wasn't for his big appeal to emotion post against me which I have a big weakness for. I don't like that he decided to do the catch up style this game. He misses questions aimed towards him, gave up the style and ignored the pages in between. His logic has been wonky on a lot of people's posts and he seems to make a determined decision on someone's alignment and then make a narrative without weighing up both sides. But that AtE post though....)
ExO_ When reading through the thread there was a discussion that exo was present for and he kept asking random questions and not really interacting with it and I voted him for it. Upon reading his filter I got a completely different clean impression so he's in a null placeholder until I re-read that whole time he was in thread.
Scum-ish
Tumblewood (looks very low effort, may be mistaken on this though but it's a lot of questions that don't end up much of anywhere and lots of seemingly sentiment following on mayor lynches)
Trfel (Feel disgusting doing this (putting him in null) after he scum reads sentinel for something that happened almost 72 hours ago but I don't think he says he doesn't think Oats is posting like mafia and then backtracks and votes for him as mafia. That seems like something he'd be too self conscious to do. But then he says things like "oats (pressure vote)" as if he never meant it so this started as null but it's actually now scum-ish)
Acrofales (This dude has looked scummy quite a lot. First was when he said he was sheeping Palmar because he trusted him more to find scum while scum reading the person I wanted to lynch. Then he said I didn't look that great because I was scum reading Oats for bad reasons and then he made a list of why Oats was scum which was entirely made up of my reasons. Then I said I scum read rayn and he said he doesn't scum read rayn. When Palmar came with a bs reason to scum read rayn Acro basically reneged on his plan to vote me because he agreed that Rayn looked like mafia when nothing from rayn had happened in between. Every time I think about these occurrences it makes me want to drop him down further. Don't ask me why I don't. He has ok looking breakthroughs every now and again)
raynpelikoneet Talked through me. Ignroed rsoultin. Disappeared and reappeared to appeal to me and vote palmar/(think he disliked acro too). Conflicted heavily at the moment.
Scum
Blazinghand (No RNG, no posts of content. Just doing whatever to seem like the good towny martyr. I think I've seen him do this exact play before as mafia.)
Mocsta (This dude, does anyone know where his head is at? I sure don't. He +1s my post scum reading Palmar, gets in a shit show with Palmar and then somehow bows down to him after having a meltdown like 2.4 seconds before over Palmar's really weak Conversion read????????????? Just read his filter progression with me and Palmar and be prepared to go "What?")
Palmar - (wishy washy Iamp post, wishy washy Acro post. I call him out that he has no solid scum reads and he has to hunker down and scum read someone. Defaults to Sentinel still, can't see any motivation from sentinel other than scum motivation. He then makes some bs analysis of the wagons acknowledging that his wagon is the most scum motivated one to follow but doesn't use that to reevaluate anything and doesn't question which of the people on the wagon are scummy. He defends Pandain who has literally posted nothing but coaching.
Makes a movement for Rayn to be mafia based on Rayn's activity which hasn't meant anything since a long time now. Doesn't even get what Rayn said correct.
Doesn't even know what Damdred/Rsoul posted about LS. Not interested in figuring out game, instead tried to use others to prove his point.
Wants to vote Conversion because Conversion was lazy but attributes it to mafia motivation instead of just someone being lazy. That's the crux of his entire read. Fakes some floundering on it when Conversion posts some irl excuse, seems pretty forced.
After nothing in between Conversion drops off max scum vote list and is replaced with lurker and policy lynch. Not great at all.)
LightningStrike (No scum reads. Only mentioned MZ once or twice but never really actually said anything about him of substance. Rage quit from the thread but still votes and still afks in the background. He finds it really hard to write scum reads as scum because it's against his nature. He hasn't done the characteristic "these two are fighting so one of them is mafia" post that he always does as town. He hasn't really given anything to go on. Rage seemed forced. He's fucking voting Palmar, jeeeeezzuusss.)
Chezinu (This is without reading his filter and just off memory alone. He does not seem to be having fun, his RP posts are quite devoid of anything entertaining. He's been trying to determine if I'm blue. He has been actually posting reads and being serious which is a complete juxtaposition to any time I've ever ever seen Chezinu been town (or really mafia either) but from what I can see there seems to be agenda in Chez. I will update this on actually reading him because I can't remember a single one of his reads.
Now you may look at this and go “wtf why choose this post” However look at it. His confirmed 100% town were both capped and flipped green but one of his strongest scum reads and heavily leaned scum reads both flipped town. Meaning the only place he has been correct is where he places town reads. 1 of which he had a read on 100% before the player posted. Seems super fucking fishy.
She was on my radar day 1 as well. This shouldn't be a surprise.
1) She makes posts like this
On March 02 2019 20:35 rsoultin wrote: Like for me it breaks down like this:
You've got trolling people. You've got lurking people. You've got lazy people. You've got some overly aggressives that aren't giving me warm fuzzies (MP). You've got people I'm not sure about who when I'm not sure about them have a nasty habit of being scum (Rayn) but because he's burned me so often I'm not sure if that's not where the uncertainty's coming from.
And then you have seemingly excited to play, I respect the shit out of his intelligence Chez playing but not saying anything interesting. That first group can hide a lot of bad town play. But doing something without doing anything ticks off my scum meter to a higher degree.
Now what gets me from this is the characterization that Chez wasn't saying anything interesting. He was roleplaying sure, but he also had a string of very useful posts that weren't roleplay at all. As someone who dislikes lazy people, and trolling people perhaps doing a proper analysis of someones posting history to that point would you know? Non hypocritical.
On March 02 2019 20:58 rsoultin wrote: What are your reads that don't matter BC?
This was another read flag for me. A read that doesn't matter? Why would you ever want someone to actively give you information that is useless? Anyone can give a read but to provide no substance or reasoning for it is just useless and scummy. Asking for that info is just as bad.
Now the next things for me are this.
Chez is her #1 scum read. Rather than heavily pushing this (will admit she made an analysis post on him) She then waffles off wanting to off him (no real reason I could spot) then starts randomly sheeping other peoples reads
On March 03 2019 20:12 Palmar wrote: To be fair I mostly like Acro just for these two posts. They're the logical way to play the game.
Kill the policy lynch, continue playing.
On March 03 2019 17:09 Acrofales wrote: Enters Palmar: he claims to feel strongly about killing sent. So let him do it. All you need to decide is if Palmar is townie enough. But if we decide Palmar is townie enough to be mayor then he is free to kill whoever he likes. He sticks with sentinel and sentinel flips scum? We win, yay! Sheep Palmar into Armageddon. Sentinel flips town? We figure out if Palmars policy lynch is an ideological thing or a scum thing. Either way, we get information about Palmar out of this, which is a great thing to get out of D1.
On March 03 2019 17:11 Acrofales wrote: Oh, also, if sent was actually playing and being townie, I'd be more inclined to want him to live. But he has used this "foil" to be an attention whore and cop out of doing anything else so far. Not town play.
@Palmar, let's assume Acro is the leading lynch candidate but your vote could choose somebody else to lynch. Who would you lynch instead of Acro, that isn't Sent?
Palmar's entire post history seems to be super focused on this policy lynch of Sent -- that's it. Town Reads HF, Town Reads Acro. He's not wanting to scum hunt on day 1, but go all in on a policy lynch. I don't think I mind having a strong conviction about the policy lynch, but I think I do mind only green reading other people and only pushing your one policy lynch.
I think Palmar is scum.
I like Rayn's read on Palmar, ironically, cause I think they're both scum.
Palmar not playing on a weekend is Palmar-y. Palmar playing is Palmar-y. This half and half stuff I wouldn't trust with a 10-foot pole and I hate how much support he's gotten. I also hate that some of that is probably from shit town who just see the shiny name and go oh, Palmar, he's a god, let's check our brains at the door.
-cocks head at- So you've decided to play rather than whine about people saying a person who was only posting images was a good vig target?
So this post just makes me want to facepalm. Why? Because she basically just said because its Palmar hes mafia. Because he has any support hes mafia. More important she is bothered by the name he has and blames shit town for trying to vote him into the slot of mayor. Now we know that Palmar flipped town. So those people that voted for him clearly arent as shit as this read of hers is. Next thing with this is she doesn't decide to hard push her own reads instead she SHEEPS unto the BH bandwagon. The thing that gets me about this is this. SHE SAYS SHE THINKS HE IS TOWN AND STILL WANTS TO LYNCH HIM.
Why the fuck do you ever want to kill a town read? Like seriously. Why would you lynch someone you believe to be town. She has scumreads for fucks sake. Was active enough to push them. Instead lets push a town read for information because the potential information is better than offing a scum. Jesus fuck.
On March 06 2019 04:01 rsoultin wrote: Also, for the record, though I'm mocking the auto-lynch mindset perpetuated by people who can't think for themselves, a BH flip is still best for everyone and 100% should be facilitated before day phase so the idiots can have a chance to check their idiocy. Not that I'm holding my breath.
You want to lynch someone you think is town...,.......................... .
Yes that's what this post clearly meant good job proving why it's pointless for me to explain reads with this level of reading comprehension floating around the thread.
I just see things so scummy sometimes that I stare at my phone in disbelief.
You suggesting to lynch someone that is town to help clear the air is either scum motivated at best and at worst idiotic.
l2r
That post imo also sheds potential like on Iamp being killed. To my reading he was the only one to call her out for it..
This is mainly from a filter dive. Everything in it screams of someone coming in and skirting activity while posting nothing of substance. Hell he never comes into the thread and express a real reason or read to his vote on Trfel. Just sheeped onto it like nothing ever happened. Hell the only real time Tumblewood even expressed a read on Trfel it was a town read. So he sheeped a wagon to off a person he believed was town. Again, no fucking reason to do this ever. Clearly red.
Whatever the particulars of the bad Palmar scumread, I still think this is easily the most compelling reason for the HF scum case:
On March 06 2019 09:38 Blazinghand wrote: HF why did you claim a shot on me?
Here's a theory as to why HF did this. It is because he is scum.
In the Scum QT: Holyflare: Hey guys, the deadline is coming up. We know a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and then probably claim after the daypost. Other Scums: yeah, sounds accurate to me. Holyflare: then Blazinghand will flip town, and i'm going to look real bad. Other Scums: oh no! Holyflare: ok, but here's the plan. I'm going to, right before the end of the night, with second on the clock, claim that I'm the vigi and am shooting BH. Other Scums: why would you do this HF? we're not shooting BH... Holflare: see, a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and I will get autolynched D2 unless I can pose as the vigi who shot him. This will allow me to get in one more mislynch, as people will trust me. If the real vigi counterclaims, that's still a better situation than if I never claimed in the first place and just let myself get autolynched. Other Scums: good idea
Then, for some reason, I didn't get shot, and now HF has to just pretend he never claimed he was shooting me
HF has largely abandoned his provably false ideas of "well, I couldn't change the mayor lynch" given the way the mayor lynch is received mechanically and the fact he was in thread and watched and commented on the shenannnies as they went down. Just for killing Palmar is he scum? eh, maybe not. But for lying about it, then slithering away from the lie when called out? oh yeah baby
I will quite literally quote my mod PM post game to prove it. Please stop posting this trash. I stand by my statement that it was locked in before I could say anything.
Nobody should believe this part unless the hosts post something in the thread. And holyflare has shown no interest in actually prodding them to do that so I can only assume it’s a lie
Can we leave the out-of-game host interactions and meta out of this? I think it's fine to comment on HF back-pedalling a bit on the commitment to the Palmar lynch after the flip, but I'd rather not see modkills for out of game stuff if we can help it.
I don’t think role interactions are out of game because essentially that’s what this is, a role interaction.
Some point this cycle. Preferably after ace responds. I want ur take on my ace case
I don't agree with it. Why would someone fabled for being so good at mafia make such blatantly false accusations? If he doesn't come up with some read based on those posts then yeah, probably mafia.
Wait a minute, if Ace made blatantly false accusations then he can’t be mafia right because he wouldn’t do it, he’s too good as scum.
But here you are saying that if he doesn’t have an explanation ie. made blatantly false accusations then he’s mafia?! That doesn’t make any sense
No, I'm saying I think he is doing it as a reaction test because it is so blatantly wrong. If he doesn't then the only reason a good player makes those mistakes is because they just don't give a shit about the game and are phoning it in, aka mafia.
On March 07 2019 02:03 WaveofShadow wrote: I don't need you to make sure he gets lynched, at least not in this way, and nothing you're doing is furthering the case against him, aside from making it more likely to fuck the game up somehow due to frustration.
If that's your goal, we can lynch you next.
I’m sorry, what’s the goal of this game? To lynch mafia right? Not to play nice with your feelings and make sure everyone’s happy
On March 07 2019 02:03 WaveofShadow wrote: I don't need you to make sure he gets lynched, at least not in this way, and nothing you're doing is furthering the case against him, aside from making it more likely to fuck the game up somehow due to frustration.
If that's your goal, we can lynch you next.
I’m sorry, what’s the goal of this game? To lynch mafia right? Not to play nice with your feelings and make sure everyone’s happy
Then why aren't YOU LYNCHING HIM?
Alright buddy life’s hard when you wanna read the whole thread, talk about some stuff then vote
On March 07 2019 02:10 WaveofShadow wrote: This high-and-mighty attitude from Oats and he doesn't even remember he hasn't done what he is lecturing me about Fucking lol
Scum
I actually voted like right after I finished reading and posting but hey, you can believe what ever you want
On March 07 2019 02:13 WaveofShadow wrote: Like....you are so unbelievably wrong about this, it is more likely that your ENTIRE WAGON, INCLUDING YOU, is town than what you are describing.
On March 06 2019 21:47 Tubesock wrote: Wiggles is funny to me. I feel like I can just take his case on me, and find/replace his name for mine and submit it with equal fervor. Plus we voted on both wagons so we can’t be too far off.
This should make wriggles town to him right because he does the exact same things as wriggles
On March 07 2019 02:39 Grackaroni wrote: Honestly Oats I get the impression that you want to seem tough and challenge everything I say but the more you do it the less I trust that you haven't just decided to use me as a punching bag to contribute this game.
Yeah this bigggg punching bag with like 5 pages and low activity is real useful. Not at all like if I was mafia I can talk about like half the shitty lurkers in this game that aren’t mafia
On March 07 2019 02:44 WaveofShadow wrote: Fuck me, HF probably really is town. Going through the effort of pulling people off of him is a giant pain in the ass especially since he's still a huge question mark in a lot of ways, and if we lynch someone else (in all likelihood, BH) today people are still going to constantly be on his ass.
On March 07 2019 02:39 Grackaroni wrote: Honestly Oats I get the impression that you want to seem tough and challenge everything I say but the more you do it the less I trust that you haven't just decided to use me as a punching bag to contribute this game.
Yeah this bigggg punching bag with like 5 pages and low activity is real useful. Not at all like if I was mafia I can talk about like half the shitty lurkers in this game that aren’t mafia
Yeah and that didn't work out very well at the start of the game now did it.
By didn’t work out very well you mean what exactly?
On March 07 2019 02:39 Grackaroni wrote: Honestly Oats I get the impression that you want to seem tough and challenge everything I say but the more you do it the less I trust that you haven't just decided to use me as a punching bag to contribute this game.
Yeah this bigggg punching bag with like 5 pages and low activity is real useful. Not at all like if I was mafia I can talk about like half the shitty lurkers in this game that aren’t mafia
Yeah and that didn't work out very well at the start of the game now did it.
By didn’t work out very well you mean what exactly?
All of the people voting you before you started going on the Grack crusade.
But anyway I'm not actually all that interested in you. I'm just sick of you snickering at my posts and challenging everything I say with something that half the time only you can possibly think makes sense.
Errr so at the start of the game when there were no lurkers because it was the first 24 hours of day 1.
Right grack. Right.
So half the time you say something that possibly doesn’t make sense from a town perspective? That’s a lot dude.
On March 07 2019 02:48 Rels wrote: this HF situation is annoying. I think he is town. I'm not as sure as rayn and rsoul seems to be, like HF is a super strong scum and could easily do whatever he's done in this game. BUT, him not shitting up the thread feels weird if he's scum. He has the potential to throw the game into chaos easily, like he did when he got red checked in ... Himalayas probably?, saying he's the best lynch while posting a lot, and he is not doing it.
Now. IF HES SCUM AND HE LIVES AND WINS. He's gonna mock me and whoever townread him forever. I know this is a ridiculous way to handle this situation but that's waht I think.
So the solution: he msut be lynched in LYLO. I won't be there to push it probably, but if he's alive in LYLO, no matter what, lynch him. IF YOURE READING THIS DURING LYLO, LYNCH HF IF HES STILL ALIVE
This is a solid approach imo, and kinda jives with where my head is at with HF.
Rels can have a townie-brownie.
Okay let’s take a walkthrough here of the possibilities of Rels alignment
1. Rels is mafia and hf is mafia. HF stays alive for the longest amount of time, good for mafia. 2. Rels is mafia and hf is town. Mafia has like a 100% chance of winning at lylo and Rels gets cred if hf is flipped today anyway.
Where are the downsides of Relsmafia! Proposing this plan?
On March 07 2019 02:48 Rels wrote: this HF situation is annoying. I think he is town. I'm not as sure as rayn and rsoul seems to be, like HF is a super strong scum and could easily do whatever he's done in this game. BUT, him not shitting up the thread feels weird if he's scum. He has the potential to throw the game into chaos easily, like he did when he got red checked in ... Himalayas probably?, saying he's the best lynch while posting a lot, and he is not doing it.
Now. IF HES SCUM AND HE LIVES AND WINS. He's gonna mock me and whoever townread him forever. I know this is a ridiculous way to handle this situation but that's waht I think.
So the solution: he msut be lynched in LYLO. I won't be there to push it probably, but if he's alive in LYLO, no matter what, lynch him. IF YOURE READING THIS DURING LYLO, LYNCH HF IF HES STILL ALIVE
This is a solid approach imo, and kinda jives with where my head is at with HF.
Rels can have a townie-brownie.
Okay let’s take a walkthrough here of the possibilities of Rels alignment
1. Rels is mafia and hf is mafia. HF stays alive for the longest amount of time, good for mafia. 2. Rels is mafia and hf is town. Mafia has like a 100% chance of winning at lylo and Rels gets cred if hf is flipped today anyway.
Where are the downsides of Relsmafia! Proposing this plan?
On March 07 2019 02:48 Rels wrote: this HF situation is annoying. I think he is town. I'm not as sure as rayn and rsoul seems to be, like HF is a super strong scum and could easily do whatever he's done in this game. BUT, him not shitting up the thread feels weird if he's scum. He has the potential to throw the game into chaos easily, like he did when he got red checked in ... Himalayas probably?, saying he's the best lynch while posting a lot, and he is not doing it.
Now. IF HES SCUM AND HE LIVES AND WINS. He's gonna mock me and whoever townread him forever. I know this is a ridiculous way to handle this situation but that's waht I think.
So the solution: he msut be lynched in LYLO. I won't be there to push it probably, but if he's alive in LYLO, no matter what, lynch him. IF YOURE READING THIS DURING LYLO, LYNCH HF IF HES STILL ALIVE
This is a solid approach imo, and kinda jives with where my head is at with HF.
Rels can have a townie-brownie.
Okay let’s take a walkthrough here of the possibilities of Rels alignment
1. Rels is mafia and hf is mafia. HF stays alive for the longest amount of time, good for mafia. 2. Rels is mafia and hf is town. Mafia has like a 100% chance of winning at lylo and Rels gets cred if hf is flipped today anyway.
Where are the downsides of Relsmafia! Proposing this plan?
rels doesn’t want town!HF to clear himself and then be good townie & lynch scum? also do u want to avoid being lynched? b/c there’s no downside of that if ur mafia
Town!hf is never gonna clear himself, let’s be real here.
I don’t get the second question, can you rephrase that?
but to clarify, does the fact that they did this still cause you to scumread them? i just don’t get the purpose of bringing that list up again. are you saying that you still scumread them, by bring that post up?
Convo was a mistake, he never did that, clearly you are doing a great job of fact checking.
Yes obviously I still scumread them when I say “that’s actually a really suspicious list huh”
On March 07 2019 02:48 Rels wrote: this HF situation is annoying. I think he is town. I'm not as sure as rayn and rsoul seems to be, like HF is a super strong scum and could easily do whatever he's done in this game. BUT, him not shitting up the thread feels weird if he's scum. He has the potential to throw the game into chaos easily, like he did when he got red checked in ... Himalayas probably?, saying he's the best lynch while posting a lot, and he is not doing it.
Now. IF HES SCUM AND HE LIVES AND WINS. He's gonna mock me and whoever townread him forever. I know this is a ridiculous way to handle this situation but that's waht I think.
So the solution: he msut be lynched in LYLO. I won't be there to push it probably, but if he's alive in LYLO, no matter what, lynch him. IF YOURE READING THIS DURING LYLO, LYNCH HF IF HES STILL ALIVE
This is a solid approach imo, and kinda jives with where my head is at with HF.
Rels can have a townie-brownie.
Okay let’s take a walkthrough here of the possibilities of Rels alignment
1. Rels is mafia and hf is mafia. HF stays alive for the longest amount of time, good for mafia. 2. Rels is mafia and hf is town. Mafia has like a 100% chance of winning at lylo and Rels gets cred if hf is flipped today anyway.
Where are the downsides of Relsmafia! Proposing this plan?
rels doesn’t want town!HF to clear himself and then be good townie & lynch scum? also do u want to avoid being lynched? b/c there’s no downside of that if ur mafia
Town!hf is never gonna clear himself, let’s be real here.
I don’t get the second question, can you rephrase that?
if you don’t want to be lynched, that seems like a pretty pro-mafia thing to want if you are mafia. and by this i mean your logic only works if you begin with the assumption that rels is mafia.
By starting with that assumption, I’m showing that proposing that plan doesn’t make Rels town because there are benifits for the mafia team regardless of HFS alignment.
I still don’t get the don’t want to be lynched part sorry
but to clarify, does the fact that they did this still cause you to scumread them? i just don’t get the purpose of bringing that list up again. are you saying that you still scumread them, by bring that post up?
Convo was a mistake, he never did that, clearly you are doing a great job of fact checking.
Yes obviously I still scumread them when I say “that’s actually a really suspicious list huh”
On March 07 2019 02:48 Rels wrote: this HF situation is annoying. I think he is town. I'm not as sure as rayn and rsoul seems to be, like HF is a super strong scum and could easily do whatever he's done in this game. BUT, him not shitting up the thread feels weird if he's scum. He has the potential to throw the game into chaos easily, like he did when he got red checked in ... Himalayas probably?, saying he's the best lynch while posting a lot, and he is not doing it.
Now. IF HES SCUM AND HE LIVES AND WINS. He's gonna mock me and whoever townread him forever. I know this is a ridiculous way to handle this situation but that's waht I think.
So the solution: he msut be lynched in LYLO. I won't be there to push it probably, but if he's alive in LYLO, no matter what, lynch him. IF YOURE READING THIS DURING LYLO, LYNCH HF IF HES STILL ALIVE
This is a solid approach imo, and kinda jives with where my head is at with HF.
Rels can have a townie-brownie.
Okay let’s take a walkthrough here of the possibilities of Rels alignment
1. Rels is mafia and hf is mafia. HF stays alive for the longest amount of time, good for mafia. 2. Rels is mafia and hf is town. Mafia has like a 100% chance of winning at lylo and Rels gets cred if hf is flipped today anyway.
Where are the downsides of Relsmafia! Proposing this plan?
You know this argument can be applied to literally anyone in the game who doesn't currently want HF dead, right?
You also realize that I’m just saying it doesn’t make him town, not that it makes him mafia
On March 07 2019 02:48 Rels wrote: this HF situation is annoying. I think he is town. I'm not as sure as rayn and rsoul seems to be, like HF is a super strong scum and could easily do whatever he's done in this game. BUT, him not shitting up the thread feels weird if he's scum. He has the potential to throw the game into chaos easily, like he did when he got red checked in ... Himalayas probably?, saying he's the best lynch while posting a lot, and he is not doing it.
Now. IF HES SCUM AND HE LIVES AND WINS. He's gonna mock me and whoever townread him forever. I know this is a ridiculous way to handle this situation but that's waht I think.
So the solution: he msut be lynched in LYLO. I won't be there to push it probably, but if he's alive in LYLO, no matter what, lynch him. IF YOURE READING THIS DURING LYLO, LYNCH HF IF HES STILL ALIVE
This is a solid approach imo, and kinda jives with where my head is at with HF.
Rels can have a townie-brownie.
Okay let’s take a walkthrough here of the possibilities of Rels alignment
1. Rels is mafia and hf is mafia. HF stays alive for the longest amount of time, good for mafia. 2. Rels is mafia and hf is town. Mafia has like a 100% chance of winning at lylo and Rels gets cred if hf is flipped today anyway.
Where are the downsides of Relsmafia! Proposing this plan?
None, but where are your 2 situations where Rels could be town?
I know full well that Rels could be mafia and just being sensible and reasonable here. I can like where his head is at and still have a little sus about him in the back of my head.
A townie-brownie is worse than Brownie-Points... which I have TO THIS DAY never been able to trade in for an actual Brownie... this disillusionment of my childhood will forever haunt me.
On March 07 2019 03:03 Vivax wrote: Keep calm and sheep confirmed town.
You're falling into the HF trap that has been haunting this forum ever since.
If this is the case, sentinel should be the lynch.
I have very good reason now to believe hf is town.
Not that I'm not happy to see you coming around, but why the sudden change of heart?
Talking with him, and then I remember something.
Later, dearies.
-_- I find you irritating in a probably town so I just want to kick you sort of way.
Why do you want to know what made him change his mind so badly?
Is that a real question?
Okay so now he agrees with you, and doesn’t want to lynch who you also think is town but a lot of us don’t. Why don’t you immediately assume he saw what you have been seeing? It’s an odd reaction to something that generally shouldn’t bother you that much
On March 07 2019 03:03 Vivax wrote: Keep calm and sheep confirmed town.
You're falling into the HF trap that has been haunting this forum ever since.
If this is the case, sentinel should be the lynch.
I have very good reason now to believe hf is town.
Not that I'm not happy to see you coming around, but why the sudden change of heart?
Talking with him, and then I remember something.
Later, dearies.
-_- I find you irritating in a probably town so I just want to kick you sort of way.
Why do you want to know what made him change his mind so badly?
Is that a real question?
Okay so now he agrees with you, and doesn’t want to lynch who you also think is town but a lot of us don’t. Why don’t you immediately assume he saw what you have been seeing? It’s an odd reaction to something that generally shouldn’t bother you that much
Why should I immediately assume he saw what I was seeing when he hasn't seen it when I've pointed it out to him? I like to know why people's reads change. It's this weird thing about not knowing anyone's alignment but my own for sure, go figure.
If you think he’s town then it doesn’t really matter though does it?
On March 07 2019 03:09 WaveofShadow wrote: [quote] If this is the case, sentinel should be the lynch.
I have very good reason now to believe hf is town.
Not that I'm not happy to see you coming around, but why the sudden change of heart?
Talking with him, and then I remember something.
Later, dearies.
-_- I find you irritating in a probably town so I just want to kick you sort of way.
Why do you want to know what made him change his mind so badly?
Is that a real question?
Okay so now he agrees with you, and doesn’t want to lynch who you also think is town but a lot of us don’t. Why don’t you immediately assume he saw what you have been seeing? It’s an odd reaction to something that generally shouldn’t bother you that much
Why should I immediately assume he saw what I was seeing when he hasn't seen it when I've pointed it out to him? I like to know why people's reads change. It's this weird thing about not knowing anyone's alignment but my own for sure, go figure.
If you think he’s town then it doesn’t really matter though does it?
I'm egotistical but not egotistical enough to think that all my reads are correct. So yes, it does.
I’m not saying you shouldn’t know it, I’m saying that the emotional response seems a little excessive
On March 07 2019 03:14 WaveofShadow wrote: [quote] Talking with him, and then I remember something.
Later, dearies.
-_- I find you irritating in a probably town so I just want to kick you sort of way.
Why do you want to know what made him change his mind so badly?
Is that a real question?
Okay so now he agrees with you, and doesn’t want to lynch who you also think is town but a lot of us don’t. Why don’t you immediately assume he saw what you have been seeing? It’s an odd reaction to something that generally shouldn’t bother you that much
Why should I immediately assume he saw what I was seeing when he hasn't seen it when I've pointed it out to him? I like to know why people's reads change. It's this weird thing about not knowing anyone's alignment but my own for sure, go figure.
If you think he’s town then it doesn’t really matter though does it?
I'm egotistical but not egotistical enough to think that all my reads are correct. So yes, it does.
I’m not saying you shouldn’t know it, I’m saying that the emotional response seems a little excessive
Ah, you mean the one where I ask nicely and he blows me off? I don't like being ignored.
Ah lifes tough rsoul, if you didn’t notice he ignored me too
On March 07 2019 03:37 Grackaroni wrote: Wiggles and Oats
Seriously everyone stop what you're doing and read all of Oatsmaster's filter. It is snarky comment, followed by asshole question throughout the entire filter EXCEPT for one point, where he very clearly seems to be making conversation with Wiggles for no reason but because they're both online and want to distance:
Why isn’t Palmar, Blazinghand, Rels, onegu, pandain, darthFoley, etc on this list too? Are these that much different than straight policy lynches?
I think he asked this question to make Acro seem scummy for pushing low-content posters, and that conflicts with the way that Tubesock has been playing the game so far.
On March 03 2019 17:59 Tubesock wrote:
On March 03 2019 13:47 Tictock wrote: Ok, I came, I saw, I did some things. Seems like ppl are not around so gunna do other things. May check in once more before bed but I am pretty sure I am not going to fully read the stuff I missed.
I'd like someone who is wanting to lynch oats to convince me why he is scum.
Similarly as to why ppl are voting HF for mayor.
If deadline was right now/soon I would push for Meap or Grack to lynch.
You know HF was going to mayor lynch [UoN]Sentinel before it was cool right? So, the difference between HF and Palmar is HF has actually played so far and given plenty of opinions. And exactly like Chezinu said, latching onto this Sentinel policy is right up Palmars alley if both were scum. And absolutely worth it. Plus Palmar doesn’t have to do anything else, talk about skating by.
Vote HF for mayor for the Sentinel kill, ##VOTE: Palmarso he actually plays. Town win wins.
On March 04 2019 01:07 Tubesock wrote: I’m voting Trfl. Maybe he will come play.
If Tubesock is town I don't see why he should be questioning Acro's lynch choices considering his own so far.
I think this is a bad post. It's quite obvious why he questions acros posts because there's no distinction between any of those other players.
What do you think of Tubesock's deflection of my pressure earlier in the game?
On March 03 2019 06:01 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:41 Tubesock wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:25 Tubesock wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:05 Tubesock wrote: There isn’t anyone I want to lynch.
If I were mayor I’d sheep Holyflare most likely for the 2nd lynch.
I'm thinking I'd like to lynch you!
Or are you making this guy mayor, Ace?
That’s fair. I can vote HF for mayor sure. I don’t see how you could get me wanting Ace mayor out of what I said.
You were one of the two names Ace threw out to make someone non-contributing mayor.
Figure you're reading closely enough to say what you'd do as mayor, which no one else had mentioned but Ace, but still don't want to put forward an opinion about anyone.
Reads scummy to me.
When I have a lynch target I’ll let everyone one know. Do you want an opinion from me?
Am I and Conversion your only scumreads? Who do you want for mayor and why?
Yeah, I'd like to see some sort of contribution from you. What makes you want to support HF for mayor? Is it a scumread on Sentinel or some kind of policy lynch? You don't make that clear.
I'm cool lynching scummy people just trying to coast by on the first day without needing to stick their necks out too much. That's people like you so far, and Conversion who's re-hashing the same argument with MZ instead of moving to anything else. Guys like Acrofales and and Sent fall into this bucket for me right now too.
I'm not super thrilled with any of the mayoral candidates so far. I like HF the most from the people who've thrown their hat in since some of our reads jive. Disagree with him about Chez, his play seems par for the course from what I remember.
I asked for some kind of read, and instead got an answer of "later". I responded to their own questions and was ignored when they returned to the thread. Their posting has been very non-committal, and they still haven't really pushed a lynch target yet. The pressure votes don't come out and say, "I think this guy is scum", but are hedged as an activity motivator.
I'd like to hear more takes from others as well. Tubesock doesn't seem to get brought up much, so they're sliding by without much attention. They still haven't produced a hard read either.
Do you have an alignment read on ace from that exchanges
Why isn’t Palmar, Blazinghand, Rels, onegu, pandain, darthFoley, etc on this list too? Are these that much different than straight policy lynches?
I think he asked this question to make Acro seem scummy for pushing low-content posters, and that conflicts with the way that Tubesock has been playing the game so far.
On March 03 2019 17:59 Tubesock wrote:
On March 03 2019 13:47 Tictock wrote: Ok, I came, I saw, I did some things. Seems like ppl are not around so gunna do other things. May check in once more before bed but I am pretty sure I am not going to fully read the stuff I missed.
I'd like someone who is wanting to lynch oats to convince me why he is scum.
Similarly as to why ppl are voting HF for mayor.
If deadline was right now/soon I would push for Meap or Grack to lynch.
You know HF was going to mayor lynch [UoN]Sentinel before it was cool right? So, the difference between HF and Palmar is HF has actually played so far and given plenty of opinions. And exactly like Chezinu said, latching onto this Sentinel policy is right up Palmars alley if both were scum. And absolutely worth it. Plus Palmar doesn’t have to do anything else, talk about skating by.
Vote HF for mayor for the Sentinel kill, ##VOTE: Palmarso he actually plays. Town win wins.
On March 04 2019 01:07 Tubesock wrote: I’m voting Trfl. Maybe he will come play.
If Tubesock is town I don't see why he should be questioning Acro's lynch choices considering his own so far.
I think this is a bad post. It's quite obvious why he questions acros posts because there's no distinction between any of those other players.
What do you think of Tubesock's deflection of my pressure earlier in the game?
On March 03 2019 06:01 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:41 Tubesock wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:25 Tubesock wrote: [quote]
That’s fair. I can vote HF for mayor sure. I don’t see how you could get me wanting Ace mayor out of what I said.
You were one of the two names Ace threw out to make someone non-contributing mayor.
Figure you're reading closely enough to say what you'd do as mayor, which no one else had mentioned but Ace, but still don't want to put forward an opinion about anyone.
Reads scummy to me.
When I have a lynch target I’ll let everyone one know. Do you want an opinion from me?
Am I and Conversion your only scumreads? Who do you want for mayor and why?
Yeah, I'd like to see some sort of contribution from you. What makes you want to support HF for mayor? Is it a scumread on Sentinel or some kind of policy lynch? You don't make that clear.
I'm cool lynching scummy people just trying to coast by on the first day without needing to stick their necks out too much. That's people like you so far, and Conversion who's re-hashing the same argument with MZ instead of moving to anything else. Guys like Acrofales and and Sent fall into this bucket for me right now too.
I'm not super thrilled with any of the mayoral candidates so far. I like HF the most from the people who've thrown their hat in since some of our reads jive. Disagree with him about Chez, his play seems par for the course from what I remember.
I asked for some kind of read, and instead got an answer of "later". I responded to their own questions and was ignored when they returned to the thread. Their posting has been very non-committal, and they still haven't really pushed a lynch target yet. The pressure votes don't come out and say, "I think this guy is scum", but are hedged as an activity motivator.
I'd like to hear more takes from others as well. Tubesock doesn't seem to get brought up much, so they're sliding by without much attention. They still haven't produced a hard read either.
Do you have an alignment read on ace from that exchanges
I lean soft town on Ace so far. What I was sensing made sense to me, assuming I got it, and his other posting doesn't strike me as scum play.
Can you speculate the town reason for his proposal of how we should vote mayors in?
I think I'm picking up what you're putting down, Ace. We're being oblique, so I hope I'm not too far off base.
Gonna move that mayor vote.
oops
you wanna expand on this Wiggles? your play interests me so far. What do you think of tube now after scumreading him earlier
More or less reading that there's information to be gained outside of the policy lynch. That wagon should be dead now anyways.
Still reading scum on Tubesock. Don't think HF saw this earlier when I asked for comment:
On March 04 2019 05:49 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 04 2019 05:41 Holyflare wrote:
On March 04 2019 05:33 Grackaroni wrote: I think we should lynch Tubesock for this post:
[quote] I think he asked this question to make Acro seem scummy for pushing low-content posters, and that conflicts with the way that Tubesock has been playing the game so far.
[quote]
[quote] If Tubesock is town I don't see why he should be questioning Acro's lynch choices considering his own so far.
I think this is a bad post. It's quite obvious why he questions acros posts because there's no distinction between any of those other players.
What do you think of Tubesock's deflection of my pressure earlier in the game?
On March 03 2019 06:01 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:41 Tubesock wrote: [quote]
When I have a lynch target I’ll let everyone one know. Do you want an opinion from me?
Am I and Conversion your only scumreads? Who do you want for mayor and why?
Yeah, I'd like to see some sort of contribution from you. What makes you want to support HF for mayor? Is it a scumread on Sentinel or some kind of policy lynch? You don't make that clear.
I'm cool lynching scummy people just trying to coast by on the first day without needing to stick their necks out too much. That's people like you so far, and Conversion who's re-hashing the same argument with MZ instead of moving to anything else. Guys like Acrofales and and Sent fall into this bucket for me right now too.
I'm not super thrilled with any of the mayoral candidates so far. I like HF the most from the people who've thrown their hat in since some of our reads jive. Disagree with him about Chez, his play seems par for the course from what I remember.
I asked for some kind of read, and instead got an answer of "later". I responded to their own questions and was ignored when they returned to the thread. Their posting has been very non-committal, and they still haven't really pushed a lynch target yet. The pressure votes don't come out and say, "I think this guy is scum", but are hedged as an activity motivator.
I'd like to hear more takes from others as well. Tubesock doesn't seem to get brought up much, so they're sliding by without much attention. They still haven't produced a hard read either.
Do you have an alignment read on ace from that exchanges
I lean soft town on Ace so far. What I was sensing made sense to me, assuming I got it, and his other posting doesn't strike me as scum play.
Can you speculate the town reason for his proposal of how we should vote mayors in?
I suspect it was something of a bait to check reactions. As to what he was looking for exactly, I think he'd need to answer that himself. I get the feeling he was having a laugh too, like some of the other entry posts.
It's the lack of follow through or trying to push it that doesn't push it into scum territory for me. There was the one post about it, some reactions, and it didn't eat up a bunch of thread space with back and forth.
i mean, it gained 0 traction and a ton of backlash, why bother pushing it or following up on it. Unless it was a straight up joke post which i doubt, town Ace wouldve felt some ownership towards the case
On March 04 2019 14:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote: What do you think of the Acro case Oats?
I've been going back re-reading his posts and the case on him, but I'm having trouble making up my mind. I'll probably sleep on it and re-read again in the morning.
I wanna lynch Acro yeah lol
This is so out of character from the rest of how Oats acts in his filter.
On March 06 2019 01:55 Oatsmaster wrote: Looking at Mr wriggles filter, he’s about as bland as a bowl of porridge. He doesn’t put himself out there, doesn’t really seem interested in finding scum and is kinda cruising doing whatever, take some real fencesitting reads. mafia
It also took me longer to find relevant quotes that I knew I read before I realized that my search is off because he calls him Wriggles.
Out of character being I make some posts and generally ask some soft questions, how does that make me scum?
Secondly, why bother having such an inconsistent read on my scumbuddy when I can obviously make it happen much better if I was trying to because he’s under literally no pressure
On March 07 2019 03:37 Grackaroni wrote: Wiggles and Oats
Seriously everyone stop what you're doing and read all of Oatsmaster's filter. It is snarky comment, followed by asshole question throughout the entire filter EXCEPT for one point, where he very clearly seems to be making conversation with Wiggles for no reason but because they're both online and want to distance:
On March 04 2019 13:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 04 2019 05:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I think I'm picking up what you're putting down, Ace. We're being oblique, so I hope I'm not too far off base.
Gonna move that mayor vote.
oops
you wanna expand on this Wiggles? your play interests me so far. What do you think of tube now after scumreading him earlier
On March 04 2019 13:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 04 2019 13:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 04 2019 13:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 04 2019 05:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I think I'm picking up what you're putting down, Ace. We're being oblique, so I hope I'm not too far off base.
Gonna move that mayor vote.
oops
you wanna expand on this Wiggles? your play interests me so far. What do you think of tube now after scumreading him earlier
More or less reading that there's information to be gained outside of the policy lynch. That wagon should be dead now anyways.
Still reading scum on Tubesock. Don't think HF saw this earlier when I asked for comment:
On March 04 2019 05:49 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 04 2019 05:41 Holyflare wrote:
On March 04 2019 05:33 Grackaroni wrote: I think we should lynch Tubesock for this post:
Why isn’t Palmar, Blazinghand, Rels, onegu, pandain, darthFoley, etc on this list too? Are these that much different than straight policy lynches?
I think he asked this question to make Acro seem scummy for pushing low-content posters, and that conflicts with the way that Tubesock has been playing the game so far.
On March 03 2019 17:59 Tubesock wrote:
On March 03 2019 13:47 Tictock wrote: Ok, I came, I saw, I did some things. Seems like ppl are not around so gunna do other things. May check in once more before bed but I am pretty sure I am not going to fully read the stuff I missed.
I'd like someone who is wanting to lynch oats to convince me why he is scum.
Similarly as to why ppl are voting HF for mayor.
If deadline was right now/soon I would push for Meap or Grack to lynch.
You know HF was going to mayor lynch [UoN]Sentinel before it was cool right? So, the difference between HF and Palmar is HF has actually played so far and given plenty of opinions. And exactly like Chezinu said, latching onto this Sentinel policy is right up Palmars alley if both were scum. And absolutely worth it. Plus Palmar doesn’t have to do anything else, talk about skating by.
Vote HF for mayor for the Sentinel kill, ##VOTE: Palmarso he actually plays. Town win wins.
On March 04 2019 01:07 Tubesock wrote: I’m voting Trfl. Maybe he will come play.
If Tubesock is town I don't see why he should be questioning Acro's lynch choices considering his own so far.
I think this is a bad post. It's quite obvious why he questions acros posts because there's no distinction between any of those other players.
What do you think of Tubesock's deflection of my pressure earlier in the game?
On March 03 2019 06:01 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:41 Tubesock wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:25 Tubesock wrote: [quote]
That’s fair. I can vote HF for mayor sure. I don’t see how you could get me wanting Ace mayor out of what I said.
You were one of the two names Ace threw out to make someone non-contributing mayor.
Figure you're reading closely enough to say what you'd do as mayor, which no one else had mentioned but Ace, but still don't want to put forward an opinion about anyone.
Reads scummy to me.
When I have a lynch target I’ll let everyone one know. Do you want an opinion from me?
Am I and Conversion your only scumreads? Who do you want for mayor and why?
Yeah, I'd like to see some sort of contribution from you. What makes you want to support HF for mayor? Is it a scumread on Sentinel or some kind of policy lynch? You don't make that clear.
I'm cool lynching scummy people just trying to coast by on the first day without needing to stick their necks out too much. That's people like you so far, and Conversion who's re-hashing the same argument with MZ instead of moving to anything else. Guys like Acrofales and and Sent fall into this bucket for me right now too.
I'm not super thrilled with any of the mayoral candidates so far. I like HF the most from the people who've thrown their hat in since some of our reads jive. Disagree with him about Chez, his play seems par for the course from what I remember.
I asked for some kind of read, and instead got an answer of "later". I responded to their own questions and was ignored when they returned to the thread. Their posting has been very non-committal, and they still haven't really pushed a lynch target yet. The pressure votes don't come out and say, "I think this guy is scum", but are hedged as an activity motivator.
I'd like to hear more takes from others as well. Tubesock doesn't seem to get brought up much, so they're sliding by without much attention. They still haven't produced a hard read either.
Do you have an alignment read on ace from that exchanges
On March 04 2019 14:03 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 04 2019 13:54 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 04 2019 13:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 04 2019 13:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 04 2019 13:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 04 2019 05:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I think I'm picking up what you're putting down, Ace. We're being oblique, so I hope I'm not too far off base.
Gonna move that mayor vote.
oops
you wanna expand on this Wiggles? your play interests me so far. What do you think of tube now after scumreading him earlier
More or less reading that there's information to be gained outside of the policy lynch. That wagon should be dead now anyways.
Still reading scum on Tubesock. Don't think HF saw this earlier when I asked for comment:
On March 04 2019 05:49 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 04 2019 05:41 Holyflare wrote:
On March 04 2019 05:33 Grackaroni wrote: I think we should lynch Tubesock for this post:
[quote] I think he asked this question to make Acro seem scummy for pushing low-content posters, and that conflicts with the way that Tubesock has been playing the game so far.
[quote]
[quote] If Tubesock is town I don't see why he should be questioning Acro's lynch choices considering his own so far.
I think this is a bad post. It's quite obvious why he questions acros posts because there's no distinction between any of those other players.
What do you think of Tubesock's deflection of my pressure earlier in the game?
On March 03 2019 06:01 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:41 Tubesock wrote: [quote]
When I have a lynch target I’ll let everyone one know. Do you want an opinion from me?
Am I and Conversion your only scumreads? Who do you want for mayor and why?
Yeah, I'd like to see some sort of contribution from you. What makes you want to support HF for mayor? Is it a scumread on Sentinel or some kind of policy lynch? You don't make that clear.
I'm cool lynching scummy people just trying to coast by on the first day without needing to stick their necks out too much. That's people like you so far, and Conversion who's re-hashing the same argument with MZ instead of moving to anything else. Guys like Acrofales and and Sent fall into this bucket for me right now too.
I'm not super thrilled with any of the mayoral candidates so far. I like HF the most from the people who've thrown their hat in since some of our reads jive. Disagree with him about Chez, his play seems par for the course from what I remember.
I asked for some kind of read, and instead got an answer of "later". I responded to their own questions and was ignored when they returned to the thread. Their posting has been very non-committal, and they still haven't really pushed a lynch target yet. The pressure votes don't come out and say, "I think this guy is scum", but are hedged as an activity motivator.
I'd like to hear more takes from others as well. Tubesock doesn't seem to get brought up much, so they're sliding by without much attention. They still haven't produced a hard read either.
Do you have an alignment read on ace from that exchanges
I lean soft town on Ace so far. What I was sensing made sense to me, assuming I got it, and his other posting doesn't strike me as scum play.
Can you speculate the town reason for his proposal of how we should vote mayors in?
On March 04 2019 15:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 04 2019 14:09 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 04 2019 14:03 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 04 2019 13:54 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 04 2019 13:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 04 2019 13:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 04 2019 13:19 Oatsmaster wrote: [quote] oops
you wanna expand on this Wiggles? your play interests me so far. What do you think of tube now after scumreading him earlier
More or less reading that there's information to be gained outside of the policy lynch. That wagon should be dead now anyways.
Still reading scum on Tubesock. Don't think HF saw this earlier when I asked for comment:
On March 04 2019 05:49 Mr. Wiggles wrote: [quote] What do you think of Tubesock's deflection of my pressure earlier in the game?
[quote]
I asked for some kind of read, and instead got an answer of "later". I responded to their own questions and was ignored when they returned to the thread. Their posting has been very non-committal, and they still haven't really pushed a lynch target yet. The pressure votes don't come out and say, "I think this guy is scum", but are hedged as an activity motivator.
I'd like to hear more takes from others as well. Tubesock doesn't seem to get brought up much, so they're sliding by without much attention. They still haven't produced a hard read either.
Do you have an alignment read on ace from that exchanges
I lean soft town on Ace so far. What I was sensing made sense to me, assuming I got it, and his other posting doesn't strike me as scum play.
Can you speculate the town reason for his proposal of how we should vote mayors in?
I suspect it was something of a bait to check reactions. As to what he was looking for exactly, I think he'd need to answer that himself. I get the feeling he was having a laugh too, like some of the other entry posts.
It's the lack of follow through or trying to push it that doesn't push it into scum territory for me. There was the one post about it, some reactions, and it didn't eat up a bunch of thread space with back and forth.
i mean, it gained 0 traction and a ton of backlash, why bother pushing it or following up on it. Unless it was a straight up joke post which i doubt, town Ace wouldve felt some ownership towards the case
On March 04 2019 15:42 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 04 2019 14:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote: What do you think of the Acro case Oats?
I've been going back re-reading his posts and the case on him, but I'm having trouble making up my mind. I'll probably sleep on it and re-read again in the morning.
I wanna lynch Acro yeah lol
This is so out of character from the rest of how Oats acts in his filter.
I'm sticking with this 100%
On March 07 2019 02:06 Grackaroni wrote: I'm reading through Wiggles' filter now.
I have a strong suspicion that if he is scum that I can find the entire mafia team from associations in his filter.
On March 05 2019 05:44 Oatsmaster wrote: I wanna say wriggles is town because everyone is literally ignoring him but he’s still trying his best
On March 06 2019 01:55 Oatsmaster wrote: Looking at Mr wriggles filter, he’s about as bland as a bowl of porridge. He doesn’t put himself out there, doesn’t really seem interested in finding scum and is kinda cruising doing whatever, take some real fencesitting reads. mafia
It also took me longer to find relevant quotes that I knew I read before I realized that my search is off because he calls him Wriggles.
Out of character being I make some posts and generally ask some soft questions, how does that make me scum?
Secondly, why bother having such an inconsistent read on my scumbuddy when I can obviously make it happen much better if I was trying to because he’s under literally no pressure
Anyone can say that for any read: If I was mafia my read would look a lot better.
What I should have asked at the bottom of that is why you liked Wiggles when nobody was paying attention to him and said that he was trying his best and then when people start scum reading him you start shitting on his filter.
yeah cause his filter is trash but at that point he was doing stuff that was really not invovled, filter still trash though
On March 07 2019 03:37 Grackaroni wrote: Wiggles and Oats
Seriously everyone stop what you're doing and read all of Oatsmaster's filter. It is snarky comment, followed by asshole question throughout the entire filter EXCEPT for one point, where he very clearly seems to be making conversation with Wiggles for no reason but because they're both online and want to distance:
On March 04 2019 13:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 04 2019 05:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I think I'm picking up what you're putting down, Ace. We're being oblique, so I hope I'm not too far off base.
Gonna move that mayor vote.
oops
you wanna expand on this Wiggles? your play interests me so far. What do you think of tube now after scumreading him earlier
On March 04 2019 13:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 04 2019 13:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 04 2019 13:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 04 2019 05:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I think I'm picking up what you're putting down, Ace. We're being oblique, so I hope I'm not too far off base.
Gonna move that mayor vote.
oops
you wanna expand on this Wiggles? your play interests me so far. What do you think of tube now after scumreading him earlier
More or less reading that there's information to be gained outside of the policy lynch. That wagon should be dead now anyways.
Still reading scum on Tubesock. Don't think HF saw this earlier when I asked for comment:
On March 04 2019 05:49 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 04 2019 05:41 Holyflare wrote:
On March 04 2019 05:33 Grackaroni wrote: I think we should lynch Tubesock for this post:
Why isn’t Palmar, Blazinghand, Rels, onegu, pandain, darthFoley, etc on this list too? Are these that much different than straight policy lynches?
I think he asked this question to make Acro seem scummy for pushing low-content posters, and that conflicts with the way that Tubesock has been playing the game so far.
On March 03 2019 17:59 Tubesock wrote:
On March 03 2019 13:47 Tictock wrote: Ok, I came, I saw, I did some things. Seems like ppl are not around so gunna do other things. May check in once more before bed but I am pretty sure I am not going to fully read the stuff I missed.
I'd like someone who is wanting to lynch oats to convince me why he is scum.
Similarly as to why ppl are voting HF for mayor.
If deadline was right now/soon I would push for Meap or Grack to lynch.
You know HF was going to mayor lynch [UoN]Sentinel before it was cool right? So, the difference between HF and Palmar is HF has actually played so far and given plenty of opinions. And exactly like Chezinu said, latching onto this Sentinel policy is right up Palmars alley if both were scum. And absolutely worth it. Plus Palmar doesn’t have to do anything else, talk about skating by.
Vote HF for mayor for the Sentinel kill, ##VOTE: Palmarso he actually plays. Town win wins.
On March 04 2019 01:07 Tubesock wrote: I’m voting Trfl. Maybe he will come play.
If Tubesock is town I don't see why he should be questioning Acro's lynch choices considering his own so far.
I think this is a bad post. It's quite obvious why he questions acros posts because there's no distinction between any of those other players.
What do you think of Tubesock's deflection of my pressure earlier in the game?
On March 03 2019 06:01 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:41 Tubesock wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:25 Tubesock wrote: [quote]
That’s fair. I can vote HF for mayor sure. I don’t see how you could get me wanting Ace mayor out of what I said.
You were one of the two names Ace threw out to make someone non-contributing mayor.
Figure you're reading closely enough to say what you'd do as mayor, which no one else had mentioned but Ace, but still don't want to put forward an opinion about anyone.
Reads scummy to me.
When I have a lynch target I’ll let everyone one know. Do you want an opinion from me?
Am I and Conversion your only scumreads? Who do you want for mayor and why?
Yeah, I'd like to see some sort of contribution from you. What makes you want to support HF for mayor? Is it a scumread on Sentinel or some kind of policy lynch? You don't make that clear.
I'm cool lynching scummy people just trying to coast by on the first day without needing to stick their necks out too much. That's people like you so far, and Conversion who's re-hashing the same argument with MZ instead of moving to anything else. Guys like Acrofales and and Sent fall into this bucket for me right now too.
I'm not super thrilled with any of the mayoral candidates so far. I like HF the most from the people who've thrown their hat in since some of our reads jive. Disagree with him about Chez, his play seems par for the course from what I remember.
I asked for some kind of read, and instead got an answer of "later". I responded to their own questions and was ignored when they returned to the thread. Their posting has been very non-committal, and they still haven't really pushed a lynch target yet. The pressure votes don't come out and say, "I think this guy is scum", but are hedged as an activity motivator.
I'd like to hear more takes from others as well. Tubesock doesn't seem to get brought up much, so they're sliding by without much attention. They still haven't produced a hard read either.
Do you have an alignment read on ace from that exchanges
On March 04 2019 14:03 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 04 2019 13:54 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 04 2019 13:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 04 2019 13:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 04 2019 13:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 04 2019 05:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I think I'm picking up what you're putting down, Ace. We're being oblique, so I hope I'm not too far off base.
Gonna move that mayor vote.
oops
you wanna expand on this Wiggles? your play interests me so far. What do you think of tube now after scumreading him earlier
More or less reading that there's information to be gained outside of the policy lynch. That wagon should be dead now anyways.
Still reading scum on Tubesock. Don't think HF saw this earlier when I asked for comment:
On March 04 2019 05:49 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 04 2019 05:41 Holyflare wrote:
On March 04 2019 05:33 Grackaroni wrote: I think we should lynch Tubesock for this post:
[quote] I think he asked this question to make Acro seem scummy for pushing low-content posters, and that conflicts with the way that Tubesock has been playing the game so far.
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[quote] If Tubesock is town I don't see why he should be questioning Acro's lynch choices considering his own so far.
I think this is a bad post. It's quite obvious why he questions acros posts because there's no distinction between any of those other players.
What do you think of Tubesock's deflection of my pressure earlier in the game?
On March 03 2019 06:01 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:41 Tubesock wrote: [quote]
When I have a lynch target I’ll let everyone one know. Do you want an opinion from me?
Am I and Conversion your only scumreads? Who do you want for mayor and why?
Yeah, I'd like to see some sort of contribution from you. What makes you want to support HF for mayor? Is it a scumread on Sentinel or some kind of policy lynch? You don't make that clear.
I'm cool lynching scummy people just trying to coast by on the first day without needing to stick their necks out too much. That's people like you so far, and Conversion who's re-hashing the same argument with MZ instead of moving to anything else. Guys like Acrofales and and Sent fall into this bucket for me right now too.
I'm not super thrilled with any of the mayoral candidates so far. I like HF the most from the people who've thrown their hat in since some of our reads jive. Disagree with him about Chez, his play seems par for the course from what I remember.
I asked for some kind of read, and instead got an answer of "later". I responded to their own questions and was ignored when they returned to the thread. Their posting has been very non-committal, and they still haven't really pushed a lynch target yet. The pressure votes don't come out and say, "I think this guy is scum", but are hedged as an activity motivator.
I'd like to hear more takes from others as well. Tubesock doesn't seem to get brought up much, so they're sliding by without much attention. They still haven't produced a hard read either.
Do you have an alignment read on ace from that exchanges
I lean soft town on Ace so far. What I was sensing made sense to me, assuming I got it, and his other posting doesn't strike me as scum play.
Can you speculate the town reason for his proposal of how we should vote mayors in?
On March 04 2019 15:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 04 2019 14:09 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 04 2019 14:03 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 04 2019 13:54 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 04 2019 13:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 04 2019 13:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 04 2019 13:19 Oatsmaster wrote: [quote] oops
you wanna expand on this Wiggles? your play interests me so far. What do you think of tube now after scumreading him earlier
More or less reading that there's information to be gained outside of the policy lynch. That wagon should be dead now anyways.
Still reading scum on Tubesock. Don't think HF saw this earlier when I asked for comment:
On March 04 2019 05:49 Mr. Wiggles wrote: [quote] What do you think of Tubesock's deflection of my pressure earlier in the game?
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I asked for some kind of read, and instead got an answer of "later". I responded to their own questions and was ignored when they returned to the thread. Their posting has been very non-committal, and they still haven't really pushed a lynch target yet. The pressure votes don't come out and say, "I think this guy is scum", but are hedged as an activity motivator.
I'd like to hear more takes from others as well. Tubesock doesn't seem to get brought up much, so they're sliding by without much attention. They still haven't produced a hard read either.
Do you have an alignment read on ace from that exchanges
I lean soft town on Ace so far. What I was sensing made sense to me, assuming I got it, and his other posting doesn't strike me as scum play.
Can you speculate the town reason for his proposal of how we should vote mayors in?
I suspect it was something of a bait to check reactions. As to what he was looking for exactly, I think he'd need to answer that himself. I get the feeling he was having a laugh too, like some of the other entry posts.
It's the lack of follow through or trying to push it that doesn't push it into scum territory for me. There was the one post about it, some reactions, and it didn't eat up a bunch of thread space with back and forth.
i mean, it gained 0 traction and a ton of backlash, why bother pushing it or following up on it. Unless it was a straight up joke post which i doubt, town Ace wouldve felt some ownership towards the case
On March 04 2019 15:42 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 04 2019 14:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote: What do you think of the Acro case Oats?
I've been going back re-reading his posts and the case on him, but I'm having trouble making up my mind. I'll probably sleep on it and re-read again in the morning.
I wanna lynch Acro yeah lol
This is so out of character from the rest of how Oats acts in his filter.
I'm sticking with this 100%
On March 07 2019 02:06 Grackaroni wrote: I'm reading through Wiggles' filter now.
I have a strong suspicion that if he is scum that I can find the entire mafia team from associations in his filter.
On March 05 2019 05:44 Oatsmaster wrote: I wanna say wriggles is town because everyone is literally ignoring him but he’s still trying his best
On March 06 2019 01:55 Oatsmaster wrote: Looking at Mr wriggles filter, he’s about as bland as a bowl of porridge. He doesn’t put himself out there, doesn’t really seem interested in finding scum and is kinda cruising doing whatever, take some real fencesitting reads. mafia
It also took me longer to find relevant quotes that I knew I read before I realized that my search is off because he calls him Wriggles.
Out of character being I make some posts and generally ask some soft questions, how does that make me scum?
Secondly, why bother having such an inconsistent read on my scumbuddy when I can obviously make it happen much better if I was trying to because he’s under literally no pressure
Anyone can say that for any read: If I was mafia my read would look a lot better.
What I should have asked at the bottom of that is why you liked Wiggles when nobody was paying attention to him and said that he was trying his best and then when people start scum reading him you start shitting on his filter.
But actually though, why would mafia!oats give a random softtown read on his buddy for no reason because wriggles was getting no flack really at that point from what I remember. Like why would I do it? Doesn’t that contradict your distancing nonsense?
On March 07 2019 04:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: HF can you explain why you didnt know trfel got lynched instead of bh?
I did know he got lynched instead of BH? Was staring at the vote count refreshing while they re-calculated the vote post for like 25 minutes hoping it was wrong.
On March 07 2019 04:49 Holyflare wrote: I think a BH lynch is key to solving a lot of people's alignments to be honest.
Whoseeeee?
Almost everyone in the game. It's more information.
Off the top of my head, if BH is town then every one of those people that were off Trfel and BH wagons look like shit. Exo looks terrible because he said "I think BH looks very much like a town trying to save himself" and voted BH anyway. BC gave an excuse to be on neither of the wagons right at deadline.
I remember Onegu and some other lurkers just turning up at deadline to do other similar things. Will have to investigate based on flip.
If BH is mafia then obviously need to look into the people that stuck on Trfel when he started to look really towny.
So basically what you are saying is that you think that his flip will lead to information on some people but you are too lazy to look and actually find out what specific people those are.
This is more for posterity/for me to keep track of than anything else. No townreads on here because I haven't updated my thoughts in a while and don't want to give free passes.
I think of the rest of the red we're looking at MAYBE one vet but the rest is low post count type people. Ace has a good chance of flipping red. When I get home later I'll be looking into all the mediocrity - Mocsta/MZ/BC primarily, and anyone else people have requests for.
You think I lynched Palmar and also simultaneously started the wagon on my partner?
Didn't you just post about how you also liked Rsoul's posts?????
You've done it before first of all, and where did I say I like rsoul's posts? I absolutely remember a game where you bussed your partner day 1 and carried yourself till a LYLO victory. Why do you think you're on the block, my dear?
From reading the blue text, my understanding is that the mayor’s lynch is locked in when the night post happens so any time before that it could’ve been changed
On March 07 2019 05:19 Vivax wrote: How does the mayor role work ?
He literally explained it in the thread:
On March 05 2019 01:01 kitaman27 wrote: In case there was any confusion regarding the mechanics of the mayor lynch, the night post will be delayed until the mayor submits their lynch. If the leading candidates do not anticipate being around for the deadline and want to submit their lynch via PM ahead of time, that is fine. The game will be paused until the mayor lynch has been submitted and then the night post will be posted, revealing the alignments and roles of both lynched players.
Thank you Jesus.
So why are we still discussing whether HF had intention of killing BH if BH wasnt the lynch? Thats ridiculous.
On March 07 2019 05:27 Oatsmaster wrote: From reading the blue text, my understanding is that the mayor’s lynch is locked in when the night post happens so any time before that it could’ve been changed
No, mayor literally can not submit anything, look at whos being lynched, and then make his decision.
Well yes which is why I said night post and not deadline
On March 07 2019 04:49 Holyflare wrote: I think a BH lynch is key to solving a lot of people's alignments to be honest.
Whoseeeee?
Almost everyone in the game. It's more information.
Off the top of my head, if BH is town then every one of those people that were off Trfel and BH wagons look like shit. Exo looks terrible because he said "I think BH looks very much like a town trying to save himself" and voted BH anyway. BC gave an excuse to be on neither of the wagons right at deadline.
I remember Onegu and some other lurkers just turning up at deadline to do other similar things. Will have to investigate based on flip.
If BH is mafia then obviously need to look into the people that stuck on Trfel when he started to look really towny.
So basically what you are saying is that you think that his flip will lead to information on some people but you are too lazy to look and actually find out what specific people those are.
thanks for volunteering
I am actually mid way through writing a post about all of those people on that list
Alright then so by off the top of your head you mean that you didn’t start writing the post till I asked you. Nice.
On March 07 2019 05:54 Tumblewood wrote: yo can everyone shut the fuck up about mod PMs and not ruin the game with pointless modkills. also because i really don’t care whether HF could have theoretically lied about his side of the story of deadline
Technically not pointless, flips are good.
Okay let me just put it out here, this game is not over by a long shot
On March 07 2019 05:54 Tumblewood wrote: yo can everyone shut the fuck up about mod PMs and not ruin the game with pointless modkills. also because i really don’t care whether HF could have theoretically lied about his side of the story of deadline
Nobody broke the rules yet. There is no rule that forbids you from shouting at the host if you so please. You just have to keep your pms to yourself.
Although Oats asking for a modkill on me might have consequences for him on the long run when more alignments are revealed. Im starting to think that hes bussing HF.
Or I just could be a funny person having fun playing a game. Who knows
On March 07 2019 06:18 Holyflare wrote: Rayn this acro push feels awfully drawn out, can you talk about someone else for a bit?
No i am doing this and if he isnt lynched i will stop playing
That’s kinda rude and not fair to the rest of the people in the game
Majority of players say not because trfel was lynched yesterday and bh only had like 10 votes.
I don’t understand what you are trying to say but holding us hostage because we might not agree with your opinion is rude and unfair to everyone else’s in this game
On March 07 2019 06:18 Holyflare wrote: Rayn this acro push feels awfully drawn out, can you talk about someone else for a bit?
No i am doing this and if he isnt lynched i will stop playing
That’s kinda rude and not fair to the rest of the people in the game
Majority of players say not because trfel was lynched yesterday and bh only had like 10 votes.
I don’t understand what you are trying to say but holding us hostage because we might not agree with your opinion is rude and unfair to everyone else’s in this game
To be fair I did quit the game for a Day when I was pissed off.
On March 07 2019 06:18 Holyflare wrote: Rayn this acro push feels awfully drawn out, can you talk about someone else for a bit?
No i am doing this and if he isnt lynched i will stop playing
That’s kinda rude and not fair to the rest of the people in the game
Majority of players say not because trfel was lynched yesterday and bh only had like 10 votes.
I don’t understand what you are trying to say but holding us hostage because we might not agree with your opinion is rude and unfair to everyone else’s in this game
To be fair I did quit the game for a Day when I was pissed off.
On March 07 2019 07:01 WaveofShadow wrote: While we're somewhat onthe good feels train right now, I hope that most people if not everyone feels the same way as me in that a lot of the toxicity that has/had come to be a part of TL mafia and a big part of why I quit hasn't been present in this game.
Egos, arguing, yelling, sure. But that's a part of the game. The escalation and hurt feelings I think have been missing and I'd love to see that continued.
On March 07 2019 07:56 Oatsmaster wrote: Why gotta be so mad mocsta, it ain’t personal
because this game has turned into a bunch of egos yelling at each other.
its a 30player ish game, and very little people are cooperating.
40pages of almost nothing is created every 12 hrs, and someone needs to tell the boys to sit in the corner and stop playing with toys.
You are mad that people are calling you mediocre, not that the game is shit
go read the ace case.
I dont have a problem with you. I like that you caleld out the cheerleader (wave) for that bullshit feelsgood post.
There is no feels good. Its half way through the cycle, and there is no clear lynch candidates. The gamestate is terrible.
I like that you apparently have no feelings We have 2 clear lynch candidates what are you smoking
Ace case is meh, if this was his first game he’s mafia but it’s not so meh
Who is the clear lynch candidates? HF has~8 votes, BH ~4votes, Ace 3votes. About 15 people havent voted and their position is unclear. There is enough swing vote left to lynch ANYONE. There is no clear lynch candidate.
As for ace. walk me through that logic. What has he done specifically that makes him scummy if he played the first time?
How more clear do you want it dude, that’s about as good as it get.
On March 07 2019 07:56 Oatsmaster wrote: Why gotta be so mad mocsta, it ain’t personal
because this game has turned into a bunch of egos yelling at each other.
its a 30player ish game, and very little people are cooperating.
40pages of almost nothing is created every 12 hrs, and someone needs to tell the boys to sit in the corner and stop playing with toys.
You are mad that people are calling you mediocre, not that the game is shit
go read the ace case.
I dont have a problem with you. I like that you caleld out the cheerleader (wave) for that bullshit feelsgood post.
There is no feels good. Its half way through the cycle, and there is no clear lynch candidates. The gamestate is terrible.
I like that you apparently have no feelings We have 2 clear lynch candidates what are you smoking
Ace case is meh, if this was his first game he’s mafia but it’s not so meh
Who is the clear lynch candidates? HF has~8 votes, BH ~4votes, Ace 3votes. About 15 people havent voted and their position is unclear. There is enough swing vote left to lynch ANYONE. There is no clear lynch candidate.
As for ace. walk me through that logic. What has he done specifically that makes him scummy if he played the first time?
Also statistically 8 votes out of 30 is a really high number so it’s a clear lynch candidate
On March 07 2019 08:59 rsoultin wrote: I'm out for the night.
@mocsta Vote is probably going on BH or Ace. Will decide...probably in the afternoon? Actually a bit busy tomorrow. If I don't start something of my own by then lol >< Just in case I'm one of the people who you don't think has made a clear stance cause the thread's massive.
On March 07 2019 08:30 Mocsta wrote: As for ace. walk me through that logic. What has he done specifically that makes him scummy if he played the first time?
On March 07 2019 09:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: A lot of people are defending him with "but this one is really townie thing" arguments which is stupid because no mafia ever only makes scummy posts. I hate when people dont answer the accusation ditectly but instead try to make another argument that points out to another direction. Acrofales himself does that when he answers me and iamp earlier. 1 scummy thing + 20 townie things = still scum if the scummy thing is actually scummy. There is no "many townie things can wash away one scummy one" in this game yet almost everyone somehow think so.
No but if my role pm says I’m scum and I lynch all the scummy people then I’m town right? I only have one scummy thing wrong with me
On March 07 2019 08:20 Oatsmaster wrote: Ace case is meh, if this was his first game he’s mafia but it’s not so meh
On March 07 2019 08:30 Mocsta wrote: As for ace. walk me through that logic. What has he done specifically that makes him scummy if he played the first time?
On March 07 2019 08:34 Oatsmaster wrote: Read the cases again that’s what it is lol
Lets try this again
All im asking for is that you comment on what you found could be scummy about Ace.
Players who have made no content-containing posts today: Ace (last post about 24h ago) Damdred (one post 12 hours ago saying he'll catch up) ExO_ (last post was about 48h ago) Ace hasn't posted since N1
Sentinel is borderline, he made 4 posts right around day start then dipped AMG made 2 posts at day start, extremely terse Darthfoley made a single post at day strart asking why I wasn't vigged
I'm not saying all the lurkers are scum or town or anything. But now we know who, where, and when. Don't townread me for this, or scumread me for this, this isn't analysis, just gathering facts.
Can’t believe rsoul has 17 pages and she hasn’t taken any controversial stances
On March 07 2019 11:04 WaveofShadow wrote: Here and updating resume. Who and what was I supposed to read?
Life’s tough in the tech world
Mocsta, Ace is really scummy and I would Lynch him after hf and bh die. So I was like he’s too scummy to be scum but then I was like he’s really scummy though and then I was like if I remove his name would I lynch and then I was like yeah so yeah he mafia
On March 07 2019 11:07 Oatsmaster wrote: Mocsta, Ace is really scummy and I would Lynch him after hf and bh die. So I was like he’s too scummy to be scum but then I was like he’s really scummy though and then I was like if I remove his name would I lynch and then I was like yeah so yeah he mafia
Hi oats, one more thing please.
Do you think HF and BH are both scum?
I can see a world where you want one of HF/BH over Ace. but I dont understand why both.
Why not?
Bh was useless, lamp was like let’s go and everyone followed then bh marytred but in the end, holyflare didn’t mayor kill BH so why can’t they both be mafia?
On March 07 2019 12:54 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Our dedicated fan Oatsmaster also writes in:
On March 07 2019 02:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 06 2019 21:47 Tubesock wrote: Wiggles is funny to me. I feel like I can just take his case on me, and find/replace his name for mine and submit it with equal fervor. Plus we voted on both wagons so we can’t be too far off.
This should make wriggles town to him right because he does the exact same things as wriggles
This is a funny point that was missed on my first read through. If Tubesock thinks my play looks the same as what I've been pointing out in his, then he should probably read me similarly to his own alignment. If he thinks that makes me look like mafia, that's probably that scum guilt eating him up inside. Oats didn't let that slip slip his attention. Bravo!
So Wiggles that would totally make me mafia right? Like probably the only thing in your case that could make me mafia?
Oats, I want an answer from you as well. Seriously. I’m bouncing between two cell networks and hotel internet so may get annoyed and disappear.
My gut says BH is town. I need to reread what some of you said about him.
On March 08 2019 02:15 Vivax wrote: I just realized one awesome thing:
If HF is scum, he's fucked either way as long as we only have BH + HF wagons as it means that if BH flips scum as well. mafia didn't save BH by voting the counterwagon, so it confirms the scum vs scum scenario, or at least makes it very likely unless HF argues that everyone on him was mafia to begin with.
If you are town, don't vote outside these two for maximum information gain.
On March 08 2019 03:41 darthfoley wrote: so i have 75 pages to read... and i'm getting shoulder surgery tomorrow and my arm will be in a sling for a month.
I'll spend the next couple hours trying to make sense of this stuff and be useful for once. If you want to vig me, that might be ideal lol
If there are major points of contention and/or stuff I should definitely read, please let me know. Otherwise i'll be just stream of consciousness posting as I catch up.
Read the last few pages of my filter and Rayns filter and Mocsta's filter. Every one else is just back and forth between HF and BH.
Do you think rayn is town? And why?
No I don't. If Rayn is town then I am probably massively misreading the game.
On March 04 2019 23:30 Palmar wrote: go after mocsta -> threatens to kill himself go after conversion -> leaves the game
I may have a problem.
You’re not the problem. Neither is HF.
? If Palmar wasn't a problem then why was your vote to have him killed at this point?
I actually dived into your filter to find where you strong townread HF... and I don't see it at all. You made up your mind HF was town at the start of the game based on... nothing? And your comment after nightfall was about me, not about HF at all. In fact, it's the post that is continuously quoted here that has the whole ramble about how wonderful it would have been if HF had killed scum!Palmar.
Why are you townreading HF?
It started with agreement on a semi long stream of posts. And other small things that he did that I doubt mafia HF would bother with.
While I certainly will semi ignore someone I town from time to time, HF’s townread can disappear quite fast. I’m always watching what he does.
I’ve been called contrarian many times. But I truly believe that him sticking to what he said he’d do (shoot Palmar) is far more likely to come from town HF. I do think MafiaHF would have never pushed Palmar and instead gone after one of the other prominent towns and killed them instead. Rayn he could have killed at the time as most were lukewarm on him at the time. Or whoever.
rsoul: I don't feel suddenly like Ace is very town like some others do? But I don't feel he's a good lynch either.
this is an extreme hedge that makes no sense because nobody thinks Ace is very town.
On March 08 2019 01:22 Tubesock wrote:
On March 07 2019 12:54 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Our dedicated fan Oatsmaster also writes in:
On March 07 2019 02:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 06 2019 21:47 Tubesock wrote: Wiggles is funny to me. I feel like I can just take his case on me, and find/replace his name for mine and submit it with equal fervor. Plus we voted on both wagons so we can’t be too far off.
This should make wriggles town to him right because he does the exact same things as wriggles
This is a funny point that was missed on my first read through. If Tubesock thinks my play looks the same as what I've been pointing out in his, then he should probably read me similarly to his own alignment. If he thinks that makes me look like mafia, that's probably that scum guilt eating him up inside. Oats didn't let that slip slip his attention. Bravo!
So Wiggles that would totally make me mafia right? Like probably the only thing in your case that could make me mafia?
Oats, I want an answer from you as well. Seriously. I’m bouncing between two cell networks and hotel internet so may get annoyed and disappear.
My gut says BH is town. I need to reread what some of you said about him.
what do you want mr mafia?
Is that bit the reason I’m mafia? Seeing Wiggles do the same thing as me and scumming him because I feel guilt?
I’m going to look in your filter, but what’s your read on wiggles??
Mafia boi
If wriggles does the same thing as you in that his case on you can be applied to him, and you are town, doesn’t that mean he’s also town? How does it mean he’s mafia
rsoul: I don't feel suddenly like Ace is very town like some others do? But I don't feel he's a good lynch either.
this is an extreme hedge that makes no sense because nobody thinks Ace is very town.
On March 08 2019 01:22 Tubesock wrote:
On March 07 2019 12:54 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Our dedicated fan Oatsmaster also writes in:
On March 07 2019 02:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 06 2019 21:47 Tubesock wrote: Wiggles is funny to me. I feel like I can just take his case on me, and find/replace his name for mine and submit it with equal fervor. Plus we voted on both wagons so we can’t be too far off.
This should make wriggles town to him right because he does the exact same things as wriggles
This is a funny point that was missed on my first read through. If Tubesock thinks my play looks the same as what I've been pointing out in his, then he should probably read me similarly to his own alignment. If he thinks that makes me look like mafia, that's probably that scum guilt eating him up inside. Oats didn't let that slip slip his attention. Bravo!
So Wiggles that would totally make me mafia right? Like probably the only thing in your case that could make me mafia?
Oats, I want an answer from you as well. Seriously. I’m bouncing between two cell networks and hotel internet so may get annoyed and disappear.
My gut says BH is town. I need to reread what some of you said about him.
what do you want mr mafia?
Is that bit the reason I’m mafia? Seeing Wiggles do the same thing as me and scumming him because I feel guilt?
I’m going to look in your filter, but what’s your read on wiggles??
Mafia boi
If wriggles does the same thing as you in that his case on you can be applied to him, and you are town, doesn’t that mean he’s also town? How does it mean he’s mafia
It’s just logical inconsistencies because you arent town really
On March 04 2019 23:30 Palmar wrote: go after mocsta -> threatens to kill himself go after conversion -> leaves the game
I may have a problem.
You’re not the problem. Neither is HF.
? If Palmar wasn't a problem then why was your vote to have him killed at this point?
I actually dived into your filter to find where you strong townread HF... and I don't see it at all. You made up your mind HF was town at the start of the game based on... nothing? And your comment after nightfall was about me, not about HF at all. In fact, it's the post that is continuously quoted here that has the whole ramble about how wonderful it would have been if HF had killed scum!Palmar.
Why are you townreading HF?
It started with agreement on a semi long stream of posts. And other small things that he did that I doubt mafia HF would bother with.
While I certainly will semi ignore someone I town from time to time, HF’s townread can disappear quite fast. I’m always watching what he does.
I’ve been called contrarian many times. But I truly believe that him sticking to what he said he’d do (shoot Palmar) is far more likely to come from town HF. I do think MafiaHF would have never pushed Palmar and instead gone after one of the other prominent towns and killed them instead. Rayn he could have killed at the time as most were lukewarm on him at the time. Or whoever.
Lol if he killed rayn he 100% dies today
Not if rayn is scum. But that'd be an amazing bus.
Assuming scum holyflare doesn’t kill his teammate yes
rsoul: I don't feel suddenly like Ace is very town like some others do? But I don't feel he's a good lynch either.
this is an extreme hedge that makes no sense because nobody thinks Ace is very town.
On March 08 2019 01:22 Tubesock wrote:
On March 07 2019 12:54 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Our dedicated fan Oatsmaster also writes in:
On March 07 2019 02:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 06 2019 21:47 Tubesock wrote: Wiggles is funny to me. I feel like I can just take his case on me, and find/replace his name for mine and submit it with equal fervor. Plus we voted on both wagons so we can’t be too far off.
This should make wriggles town to him right because he does the exact same things as wriggles
This is a funny point that was missed on my first read through. If Tubesock thinks my play looks the same as what I've been pointing out in his, then he should probably read me similarly to his own alignment. If he thinks that makes me look like mafia, that's probably that scum guilt eating him up inside. Oats didn't let that slip slip his attention. Bravo!
So Wiggles that would totally make me mafia right? Like probably the only thing in your case that could make me mafia?
Oats, I want an answer from you as well. Seriously. I’m bouncing between two cell networks and hotel internet so may get annoyed and disappear.
My gut says BH is town. I need to reread what some of you said about him.
what do you want mr mafia?
Is that bit the reason I’m mafia? Seeing Wiggles do the same thing as me and scumming him because I feel guilt?
I’m going to look in your filter, but what’s your read on wiggles??
Mafia boi
If wriggles does the same thing as you in that his case on you can be applied to him, and you are town, doesn’t that mean he’s also town? How does it mean he’s mafia
It’s just logical inconsistencies because you arent town really
On March 08 2019 04:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am kind of falling asleep atm. I think you should take a look at my case on Acro but i guess that's a lost call. :/
Well, just dont be idiots. gn
Okay so the Acro case to me seems to hinge around the idea that he was around at deadline but didn’t really show any interest in convincing Palmar not to lynch sent. I personally don’t think it’s alignment indicative so meh
On March 08 2019 04:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: oh btw from now on i am gonna be a little bitch and report all "offences" to hosts because they can be hurstful to a soul of some person..... so no swearing, no anything else. inbetween tl rules you idiots. i am done with me getting all the shit for nothing.
On March 07 2019 22:32 Jockmcplop wrote: I'm leaning heavily towards a scum read on BH right now. The more he posts the more scummy his motivations seem to be. His attacks on hf look as if he has made them up on the spot in an effort to try and paint hf as mafia, rather than coming to natural conclusions about hf from available evidence.
The best example of this is the following post:
On March 06 2019 09:38 Blazinghand wrote: HF why did you claim a shot on me?
Here's a theory as to why HF did this. It is because he is scum.
In the Scum QT: Holyflare: Hey guys, the deadline is coming up. We know a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and then probably claim after the daypost. Other Scums: yeah, sounds accurate to me. Holyflare: then Blazinghand will flip town, and i'm going to look real bad. Other Scums: oh no! Holyflare: ok, but here's the plan. I'm going to, right before the end of the night, with second on the clock, claim that I'm the vigi and am shooting BH. Other Scums: why would you do this HF? we're not shooting BH... Holflare: see, a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and I will get autolynched D2 unless I can pose as the vigi who shot him. This will allow me to get in one more mislynch, as people will trust me. If the real vigi counterclaims, that's still a better situation than if I never claimed in the first place and just let myself get autolynched. Other Scums: good idea
Then, for some reason, I didn't get shot, and now HF has to just pretend he never claimed he was shooting me
This is pure speculation and I like how creative it is, but it is not evidence.
He then refers back to this as 'compelling' a few posts later, but as we can see it isn't compelling its a rather badly shoehorned piece of fiction, designed to create an mirage.
On March 06 2019 18:31 Blazinghand wrote:
Whatever the particulars of the bad Palmar scumread, I still think this is easily the most compelling reason for the HF scum case:
On March 06 2019 09:38 Blazinghand wrote: HF why did you claim a shot on me?
Here's a theory as to why HF did this. It is because he is scum.
In the Scum QT: Holyflare: Hey guys, the deadline is coming up. We know a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and then probably claim after the daypost. Other Scums: yeah, sounds accurate to me. Holyflare: then Blazinghand will flip town, and i'm going to look real bad. Other Scums: oh no! Holyflare: ok, but here's the plan. I'm going to, right before the end of the night, with second on the clock, claim that I'm the vigi and am shooting BH. Other Scums: why would you do this HF? we're not shooting BH... Holflare: see, a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and I will get autolynched D2 unless I can pose as the vigi who shot him. This will allow me to get in one more mislynch, as people will trust me. If the real vigi counterclaims, that's still a better situation than if I never claimed in the first place and just let myself get autolynched. Other Scums: good idea
Then, for some reason, I didn't get shot, and now HF has to just pretend he never claimed he was shooting me
HF has largely abandoned his provably false ideas of "well, I couldn't change the mayor lynch" given the way the mayor lynch is received mechanically and the fact he was in thread and watched and commented on the shenannnies as they went down. Just for killing Palmar is he scum? eh, maybe not. But for lying about it, then slithering away from the lie when called out? oh yeah baby
Ok, so what is the point of town!HF to claim a fake vig shot? I didn't incorporate it in my case, because it's mostly wifom, but I really don't see it:
1. He made a big play and it backfired spectacularly. 2. He makes another big play just for shit and giggles? WTF?
Now, lets say BH had gotten vig'd. We'd have a townie counterclaiming the vig shot, and today would have been an even bigger shitshow. Lynch all liars is a damned good policy for a reason, because even if townies *do* do this kind of stupid shit, it is blatantly anti-town play. And the *second* time HF does a big anti-town play in the same damn game.
That's true, but doesn't say anything about the point I am making. This story BH is telling is meaningless, as if he needed something completely made up to emphasize his argument for some reason. Also, if we are lynching people for anti-town play, what about the whole of D1/N1 from BH? Blatant anti-town play that has no upside or no possible upside for town.
You say BH is scummy for making up a narrative. While the narrative is of course pure speculation, it's just a funny way of presenting the problem here:
FACT: HF claimed vigilante FACT: HF is not a vigilante CONCLUSION: HF fakeclaimed vigilante.
So there are two options: HF is town and fakeclaimed vigilante, or HF is scum and fakeclaimed vigilante.
You seem to lean towards it being town!HF fakeclaiming vigilante, because in his own words, he was adding "suspense" around the daypost. I mean.. sure, he has shown so far that HF only really cares about HF, so he might just have done it for the shit of it, but you ignored the whole conundrum of my post earlier. How do you explain town!HF not even thinking that there was a real vig that would really shoot BH?
I mean... who cares if there was a real vig? I could just rescind my claim or get killed which, again, would make my position a 1 for 1 trade if I survived somehow (which I wouldn't in this case) which I would never like.
Yeah hf has 100% done this shit in a game where there was an actual vig so that’s not really anything
On March 08 2019 04:10 Oatsmaster wrote: Mafia boi
If wriggles does the same thing as you in that his case on you can be applied to him, and you are town, doesn’t that mean he’s also town? How does it mean he’s mafia
I never scumread him. So, it’s hilarious you are saying I’m scum for this, but apparently Wiggles is somehow town for doing exactly that. Take a look at my two posts:
On March 06 2019 18:52 Tubesock wrote: Wiggles, you’ve been scumming me since before I even scummed Trfel. Yet you’ve never voted me. Why not? You seem pretty convinced, you have some others who agree. Think about what you say because I’m going to have great satisfaction copy and pasting things from your case on me in my defense.
On March 06 2019 21:47 Tubesock wrote: Wiggles is funny to me. I feel like I can just take his case on me, and find/replace his name for mine and submit it with equal fervor. Plus we voted on both wagons so we can’t be too far off.
Why do you think i wrote the big and bold?? It’s a fucking trap and you fell right into it.
Oatsmaster didn’t bother to read anything more than the single post and looking for “reads” at the shallowest of levels. You went straight to Tube is mafia because of this “slip” you found. Yet you had no idea it was a trap and you fell into it!!!
This action on your part is representative of your entire game. You are mafia.
I see that you and I have different definitions of funny then, whatever.
Not voting (4): Damdred, Chezinu, ExO_, darthfoley
Blazinghand is currently set to be lynched.
Please let us know if you notice any mistakes. The deadline is Friday, Mar 08 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in .
Any town people who aren’t on either BH or Holyflare are actively playing against their wincon btw?
Not to say anything that would discourage people from voting HF (and thus saving me, who I know to be town) - but presumably some people strongly TR both me and HF. I'm sure there's scum in the 10 people not on either wagon, of course, but I could see someone having a reasonable reason here. I've certainly felt doubts about this HF wagon, and if I start townreading HF I'm going to move my vote off him. It really gets my goat if these poeple voting side votes aren't around at the end of the day though. Even if you TR both of us, presumably there's one you think is more town than the other...
You don’t understand. Either you or holyflare is getting lynched today at this point, there’s nothing else strong enough. everyone town needs to lynch who they think is the least town or most mafia between the two of you. Lynches are the town’s power but if there is a significant amount of people off wagon then it becomes the mafia power because they have the numbers to manipulate it their favor.
On March 08 2019 04:10 Oatsmaster wrote: Mafia boi
If wriggles does the same thing as you in that his case on you can be applied to him, and you are town, doesn’t that mean he’s also town? How does it mean he’s mafia
I never scumread him. So, it’s hilarious you are saying I’m scum for this, but apparently Wiggles is somehow town for doing exactly that. Take a look at my two posts:
On March 06 2019 18:52 Tubesock wrote: Wiggles, you’ve been scumming me since before I even scummed Trfel. Yet you’ve never voted me. Why not? You seem pretty convinced, you have some others who agree. Think about what you say because I’m going to have great satisfaction copy and pasting things from your case on me in my defense.
Then
On March 06 2019 21:47 Tubesock wrote: Wiggles is funny to me. I feel like I can just take his case on me, and find/replace his name for mine and submit it with equal fervor. Plus we voted on both wagons so we can’t be too far off.
Why do you think i wrote the big and bold?? It’s a fucking trap and you fell right into it.
Oatsmaster didn’t bother to read anything more than the single post and looking for “reads” at the shallowest of levels. You went straight to Tube is mafia because of this “slip” you found. Yet you had no idea it was a trap and you fell into it!!!
This action on your part is representative of your entire game. You are mafia.
I see that you and I have different definitions of funny then, whatever.
I’m wrong about that, carry on
Also I’m like assuming that if you have great statisfsction it’s because you found scum, not because your teammate was wrong but yeah, carry on dude
On March 08 2019 04:10 Oatsmaster wrote: Mafia boi
If wriggles does the same thing as you in that his case on you can be applied to him, and you are town, doesn’t that mean he’s also town? How does it mean he’s mafia
I never scumread him. So, it’s hilarious you are saying I’m scum for this, but apparently Wiggles is somehow town for doing exactly that. Take a look at my two posts:
On March 06 2019 18:52 Tubesock wrote: Wiggles, you’ve been scumming me since before I even scummed Trfel. Yet you’ve never voted me. Why not? You seem pretty convinced, you have some others who agree. Think about what you say because I’m going to have great satisfaction copy and pasting things from your case on me in my defense.
Then
On March 06 2019 21:47 Tubesock wrote: Wiggles is funny to me. I feel like I can just take his case on me, and find/replace his name for mine and submit it with equal fervor. Plus we voted on both wagons so we can’t be too far off.
Why do you think i wrote the big and bold?? It’s a fucking trap and you fell right into it.
Oatsmaster didn’t bother to read anything more than the single post and looking for “reads” at the shallowest of levels. You went straight to Tube is mafia because of this “slip” you found. Yet you had no idea it was a trap and you fell into it!!!
This action on your part is representative of your entire game. You are mafia.
Explain this trap like I'm 5 because I don't get it.
I think it’s the part where he implied that he thought wiggles was scum but he never actually thought he was scum and I thought that he thought that wriggles was scum so I got caught oh noo
Not voting (4): Damdred, Chezinu, ExO_, darthfoley
Blazinghand is currently set to be lynched.
Please let us know if you notice any mistakes. The deadline is Friday, Mar 08 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in .
Any town people who aren’t on either BH or Holyflare are actively playing against their wincon btw?
Not to say anything that would discourage people from voting HF (and thus saving me, who I know to be town) - but presumably some people strongly TR both me and HF. I'm sure there's scum in the 10 people not on either wagon, of course, but I could see someone having a reasonable reason here. I've certainly felt doubts about this HF wagon, and if I start townreading HF I'm going to move my vote off him. It really gets my goat if these poeple voting side votes aren't around at the end of the day though. Even if you TR both of us, presumably there's one you think is more town than the other...
You don’t understand. Either you or holyflare is getting lynched today at this point, there’s nothing else strong enough. everyone town needs to lynch who they think is the least town or most mafia between the two of you. Lynches are the town’s power but if there is a significant amount of people off wagon then it becomes the mafia power because they have the numbers to manipulate it their favor.
@Acro
See, Oats gets it xD
Though tbf if I strongly felt someone was scum I'd push it. Rels being so pissed off at me (I do not accept this is always a town role as an argument when it's demonstrably not) makes me less inclined to push that.
Not voting (4): Damdred, Chezinu, ExO_, darthfoley
Blazinghand is currently set to be lynched.
Please let us know if you notice any mistakes. The deadline is Friday, Mar 08 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in .
Any town people who aren’t on either BH or Holyflare are actively playing against their wincon btw?
Not to say anything that would discourage people from voting HF (and thus saving me, who I know to be town) - but presumably some people strongly TR both me and HF. I'm sure there's scum in the 10 people not on either wagon, of course, but I could see someone having a reasonable reason here. I've certainly felt doubts about this HF wagon, and if I start townreading HF I'm going to move my vote off him. It really gets my goat if these poeple voting side votes aren't around at the end of the day though. Even if you TR both of us, presumably there's one you think is more town than the other...
You don’t understand. Either you or holyflare is getting lynched today at this point, there’s nothing else strong enough. everyone town needs to lynch who they think is the least town or most mafia between the two of you. Lynches are the town’s power but if there is a significant amount of people off wagon then it becomes the mafia power because they have the numbers to manipulate it their favor.
@Acro
See, Oats gets it xD
Though tbf if I strongly felt someone was scum I'd push it. Rels being so pissed off at me (I do not accept this is always a town role as an argument when it's demonstrably not) makes me less inclined to push that.
When have you seen it as a mafia role?
Oh god big...themedish game. Was in one with scum, yup. People like masoning me. I think LS mentioned the name. My chipmunk brain is useless. I think marv was scum in it with palmar?
Btw specifically a mafia mason that can add anyone in the game on successive nights
Not voting (4): Damdred, Chezinu, ExO_, darthfoley
Blazinghand is currently set to be lynched.
Please let us know if you notice any mistakes. The deadline is Friday, Mar 08 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in .
Any town people who aren’t on either BH or Holyflare are actively playing against their wincon btw?
Not to say anything that would discourage people from voting HF (and thus saving me, who I know to be town) - but presumably some people strongly TR both me and HF. I'm sure there's scum in the 10 people not on either wagon, of course, but I could see someone having a reasonable reason here. I've certainly felt doubts about this HF wagon, and if I start townreading HF I'm going to move my vote off him. It really gets my goat if these poeple voting side votes aren't around at the end of the day though. Even if you TR both of us, presumably there's one you think is more town than the other...
You don’t understand. Either you or holyflare is getting lynched today at this point, there’s nothing else strong enough. everyone town needs to lynch who they think is the least town or most mafia between the two of you. Lynches are the town’s power but if there is a significant amount of people off wagon then it becomes the mafia power because they have the numbers to manipulate it their favor.
@Acro
See, Oats gets it xD
Though tbf if I strongly felt someone was scum I'd push it. Rels being so pissed off at me (I do not accept this is always a town role as an argument when it's demonstrably not) makes me less inclined to push that.
Nah, this just means mafia will pile onto one of the wagons instead of hiding elsewhere as we just defined a rule: if you're off-wagon, you're scum. So scum hides by being on the wagon. If they're both scum, they bus (as there literally isn't another option). If one is town and the other scum, they try to avoid bussing. And if both are town they just lurk and comply.
There is no point in forcing consolidation in a plurality lynch.
Actually that’s not the point. The point is to get all the town people either voting for hf or blazing hand, preferably hf.
Not voting (4): Damdred, Chezinu, ExO_, darthfoley
Blazinghand is currently set to be lynched.
Please let us know if you notice any mistakes. The deadline is Friday, Mar 08 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in .
Any town people who aren’t on either BH or Holyflare are actively playing against their wincon btw?
Not to say anything that would discourage people from voting HF (and thus saving me, who I know to be town) - but presumably some people strongly TR both me and HF. I'm sure there's scum in the 10 people not on either wagon, of course, but I could see someone having a reasonable reason here. I've certainly felt doubts about this HF wagon, and if I start townreading HF I'm going to move my vote off him. It really gets my goat if these poeple voting side votes aren't around at the end of the day though. Even if you TR both of us, presumably there's one you think is more town than the other...
You don’t understand. Either you or holyflare is getting lynched today at this point, there’s nothing else strong enough. everyone town needs to lynch who they think is the least town or most mafia between the two of you. Lynches are the town’s power but if there is a significant amount of people off wagon then it becomes the mafia power because they have the numbers to manipulate it their favor.
@Acro
See, Oats gets it xD
Though tbf if I strongly felt someone was scum I'd push it. Rels being so pissed off at me (I do not accept this is always a town role as an argument when it's demonstrably not) makes me less inclined to push that.
When have you seen it as a mafia role?
Oh god big...themedish game. Was in one with scum, yup. People like masoning me. I think LS mentioned the name. My chipmunk brain is useless. I think marv was scum in it with palmar?
Btw specifically a mafia mason that can add anyone in the game on successive nights
Nope. Not something I knew when I posted about it here, but I'm not sure why that's relevant? I also haven't seen a town role that does that.
Because you said demonstrably so I wanted you to demonstrate.
On March 08 2019 04:40 Oatsmaster wrote: [quote] Any town people who aren’t on either BH or Holyflare are actively playing against their wincon btw?
Not to say anything that would discourage people from voting HF (and thus saving me, who I know to be town) - but presumably some people strongly TR both me and HF. I'm sure there's scum in the 10 people not on either wagon, of course, but I could see someone having a reasonable reason here. I've certainly felt doubts about this HF wagon, and if I start townreading HF I'm going to move my vote off him. It really gets my goat if these poeple voting side votes aren't around at the end of the day though. Even if you TR both of us, presumably there's one you think is more town than the other...
You don’t understand. Either you or holyflare is getting lynched today at this point, there’s nothing else strong enough. everyone town needs to lynch who they think is the least town or most mafia between the two of you. Lynches are the town’s power but if there is a significant amount of people off wagon then it becomes the mafia power because they have the numbers to manipulate it their favor.
@Acro
See, Oats gets it xD
Though tbf if I strongly felt someone was scum I'd push it. Rels being so pissed off at me (I do not accept this is always a town role as an argument when it's demonstrably not) makes me less inclined to push that.
When have you seen it as a mafia role?
Oh god big...themedish game. Was in one with scum, yup. People like masoning me. I think LS mentioned the name. My chipmunk brain is useless. I think marv was scum in it with palmar?
Btw specifically a mafia mason that can add anyone in the game on successive nights
Nope. Not something I knew when I posted about it here, but I'm not sure why that's relevant? I also haven't seen a town role that does that.
Because you said demonstrably so I wanted you to demonstrate.
On March 08 2019 04:50 Oatsmaster wrote: [quote] You don’t understand. Either you or holyflare is getting lynched today at this point, there’s nothing else strong enough. everyone town needs to lynch who they think is the least town or most mafia between the two of you. Lynches are the town’s power but if there is a significant amount of people off wagon then it becomes the mafia power because they have the numbers to manipulate it their favor.
@Acro
See, Oats gets it xD
Though tbf if I strongly felt someone was scum I'd push it. Rels being so pissed off at me (I do not accept this is always a town role as an argument when it's demonstrably not) makes me less inclined to push that.
When have you seen it as a mafia role?
Oh god big...themedish game. Was in one with scum, yup. People like masoning me. I think LS mentioned the name. My chipmunk brain is useless. I think marv was scum in it with palmar?
Btw specifically a mafia mason that can add anyone in the game on successive nights
Nope. Not something I knew when I posted about it here, but I'm not sure why that's relevant? I also haven't seen a town role that does that.
Because you said demonstrably so I wanted you to demonstrate.
On March 08 2019 05:02 Oatsmaster wrote: [quote] When have you seen it as a mafia role?
Oh god big...themedish game. Was in one with scum, yup. People like masoning me. I think LS mentioned the name. My chipmunk brain is useless. I think marv was scum in it with palmar?
Btw specifically a mafia mason that can add anyone in the game on successive nights
Nope. Not something I knew when I posted about it here, but I'm not sure why that's relevant? I also haven't seen a town role that does that.
Because you said demonstrably so I wanted you to demonstrate.
But I wanted to know her alignment and now I can’t dude please
She's town that's all you need to know.
Have you ever been wrong about her alignment ever?
Not often we usually are the same alignment.
So I’m supposed to trust that you are definitively correct when you don’t even have a perfect record determining her alignment when you are town, much less trusting that you are town first and the other stuff after that? No way
On March 08 2019 05:02 Oatsmaster wrote: [quote] When have you seen it as a mafia role?
Oh god big...themedish game. Was in one with scum, yup. People like masoning me. I think LS mentioned the name. My chipmunk brain is useless. I think marv was scum in it with palmar?
Btw specifically a mafia mason that can add anyone in the game on successive nights
Nope. Not something I knew when I posted about it here, but I'm not sure why that's relevant? I also haven't seen a town role that does that.
Because you said demonstrably so I wanted you to demonstrate.
But I wanted to know her alignment and now I can’t dude please
I'm not sure how my remembering the name of a game and linking it to you would be alignment indicative cause I'm pretty sure I'd do that as scum but okay?
Unless you thought I was making it up for #reasons but then LS linking it to you shows I wasn't too -shrugs-
But I wanted to know her alignment and now I can’t dude please
She's town that's all you need to know.
Have you ever been wrong about her alignment ever?
Not often we usually are the same alignment.
So I’m supposed to trust that you are definitively correct when you don’t even have a perfect record determining her alignment when you are town, much less trusting that you are town first and the other stuff after that? No way
If you don't trust me then Damdred also can read her good and last I saw he was townreading her.
Oh yeah damdred is 100% town this game for sureee uhuhuh
On March 08 2019 07:19 Holyflare wrote: I genuinely have no fucking idea how people keep saying I've lied about anything other than something I always do as town (claim something at night).
This reads to me like holyflare is upset that people aren’t reading his meta properly because he thinks he’s playing to his meta, ie. that he’s trying to fake his meta so he’s scum
On March 08 2019 07:19 Holyflare wrote: I genuinely have no fucking idea how people keep saying I've lied about anything other than something I always do as town (claim something at night).
This reads to me like holyflare is upset that people aren’t reading his meta properly because he thinks he’s playing to his meta, ie. that he’s trying to fake his meta so he’s scum
Or just a guy that's getting called a liar for not lying. How is it meta related at all?
Just gonna ignore this post because my reading comprehension is terrible and I’m embarassed
On March 08 2019 08:25 Ace wrote: This game is fucking hilarious
I will admit that despite the fact that this has kinda been an awful experience for me, and I think we are certainly doomed, this game has been pretty funny.
I wager at least some of the awful experience is your own fault though bh
On March 08 2019 08:34 Ace wrote: Probably 5 townies dying and most of the player base chasing their own reads before resolving one problem has some feeling helpless
Poor BloodyCobbler. I wonder how much rage he's holding back 🤔
On March 08 2019 08:19 Blazinghand wrote: TBH I'd lynch either of those guys tho
I'm voting for scum. I have repeatedly given my reasons for not wanting to lynch HF and I have no idea which way to read you, people martyr both as town and scum and your play since then has been 50/50. If the jubjubs are gonna lynch between you and HF I honestly don't care which of you goes. My vote however is gonna be on the people I'm very confident are scum.
Do you actually not have an opinion on which of me or HF is a better lynch?
No, I literally don't care between you two. I think you're both as likely to be town, and certainly much more likely town than wiggles/damdred/fecalfeast/jock.
My town read for both of you is admittedly based on a massive amount of wifom so I'm not out here asking people to sheep those reads. Instead look at the cases I've made on people i find scummy.
Why the heck are you dodging the wagons. You have to make a choice. Exercise your right
On March 08 2019 08:06 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Fucking acro vs rayn has literally taken up 40 or 50 pages at this point. You two need to shut the fuck up about each other because it is incredibly hard to catch up 80 pages and have half of it be you two in a pissing match.
/rant
I am absolutely down with a wiggles lynch.
wiggles not getting lynched don't waste your vote.
And what, vote between two people I feel are equally likely to be town? My vote goes on scum.
On March 08 2019 08:50 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: No you fucking idiots, I don't have to "pick a wagon" especially when I think they both have a good shot at being town. You all seem to have the memory of squirrels and can't think past the five pages you've managed to spam every 10 minutes.
Unlike some of you who say things like "HF/BH feels townie but I guess I gotta consolidate on someone" I'm going to continue to vote my reads. Just sliding onto a wagon because everyone else is does nothing to help find scum.
??????????? So you rather you be right then we Lynch mafia. Noted
On March 08 2019 08:50 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: No you fucking idiots, I don't have to "pick a wagon" especially when I think they both have a good shot at being town. You all seem to have the memory of squirrels and can't think past the five pages you've managed to spam every 10 minutes.
Unlike some of you who say things like "HF/BH feels townie but I guess I gotta consolidate on someone" I'm going to continue to vote my reads. Just sliding onto a wagon because everyone else is does nothing to help find scum.
^^^^^^^^
You both are actually terrible and do nothing to advance town wincon, lynching mafia
On March 08 2019 08:50 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: No you fucking idiots, I don't have to "pick a wagon" especially when I think they both have a good shot at being town. You all seem to have the memory of squirrels and can't think past the five pages you've managed to spam every 10 minutes.
Unlike some of you who say things like "HF/BH feels townie but I guess I gotta consolidate on someone" I'm going to continue to vote my reads. Just sliding onto a wagon because everyone else is does nothing to help find scum.
??????????? So you rather you be right then we Lynch mafia. Noted
I have no idea what this means except you think I'm voting for scum rn so why don't you switch off whoever you're currently mindlessly trying to kill and vote wiggles
I don’t know if you have any eyes but I don’t have 9 votes unfortunately
On March 08 2019 08:50 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: No you fucking idiots, I don't have to "pick a wagon" especially when I think they both have a good shot at being town. You all seem to have the memory of squirrels and can't think past the five pages you've managed to spam every 10 minutes.
Unlike some of you who say things like "HF/BH feels townie but I guess I gotta consolidate on someone" I'm going to continue to vote my reads. Just sliding onto a wagon because everyone else is does nothing to help find scum.
^^^^^^^^
You both are actually terrible and do nothing to advance town wincon, lynching mafia
i will switch onto BH because this is clearly not going to happen in the time remaining but this attitude is extremely unhelpful unless the thread really is this dead thisclose to deadline
Maybe if you actually chose a side earlier inside of waffling on a dead wagon things would be different. You didn’t, so it’s not
On March 08 2019 08:50 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: No you fucking idiots, I don't have to "pick a wagon" especially when I think they both have a good shot at being town. You all seem to have the memory of squirrels and can't think past the five pages you've managed to spam every 10 minutes.
Unlike some of you who say things like "HF/BH feels townie but I guess I gotta consolidate on someone" I'm going to continue to vote my reads. Just sliding onto a wagon because everyone else is does nothing to help find scum.
??????????? So you rather you be right then we Lynch mafia. Noted
I have no idea what this means except you think I'm voting for scum rn so why don't you switch off whoever you're currently mindlessly trying to kill and vote wiggles
On March 08 2019 09:00 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: You guys have all sheeped yourselves into believing you only have two options lol. This is the difficulty with catching up in huge chunks bc you get 6-10 hour stretches condensed into 2 hours and it maked the idiocy stand out more.
you wanna come in here in the last 5 minutes and say that “oh you guys have been playing the game wrong” because you don’t agree with the two lynch wagons because you have literally had no impact on the game? You are either terrible or mafia
On March 08 2019 08:50 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: No you fucking idiots, I don't have to "pick a wagon" especially when I think they both have a good shot at being town. You all seem to have the memory of squirrels and can't think past the five pages you've managed to spam every 10 minutes.
Unlike some of you who say things like "HF/BH feels townie but I guess I gotta consolidate on someone" I'm going to continue to vote my reads. Just sliding onto a wagon because everyone else is does nothing to help find scum.
^^^^^^^^
You both are actually terrible and do nothing to advance town wincon, lynching mafia
i will switch onto BH because this is clearly not going to happen in the time remaining but this attitude is extremely unhelpful unless the thread really is this dead thisclose to deadline
Maybe if you actually chose a side earlier inside of waffling on a dead wagon things would be different. You didn’t, so it’s not
???????????????????????????? you have been enforcing that everyone has to vote on one of these two wagons. and i believe that when the thread has this little urgency this close to deadline, it is a sign that mafia has no skin in the game, aka TvT wagons, aka we should lynch someone else. i had stated half an hour out that i would switch my vote to BH if shenannies absolutely were not happening. at 5 till i did that. then with 4 minutes left two players come in and both say "oh well looks like no shenanigans" like ??????? we could if you show up more than 5 minutes before deadline and also if mroe than 6 people are playing when it happens. like have a contingency plan for if shenannies are not happening (which i did) but do not criticize me for attacking the defeatist attitude that everyone has and promoting an alternative lynch
On March 08 2019 09:00 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: You guys have all sheeped yourselves into believing you only have two options lol.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Yes because I really wanted holyflare to die and it literally means nothing to your alignment that you voted whoever it was, great help thanks.
By attacking what defeatist attitude, how in the world is “you have to vote this two people if you are town” a defeatist attitude. You know what a defeatist attitude is? It’s, we are gonna lynch town anyway you guys suck should’ve not had 2 wagons and asked people to sheep.
On March 08 2019 09:00 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: You guys have all sheeped yourselves into believing you only have two options lol. This is the difficulty with catching up in huge chunks bc you get 6-10 hour stretches condensed into 2 hours and it maked the idiocy stand out more.
you wanna come in here in the last 5 minutes and say that “oh you guys have been playing the game wrong” because you don’t agree with the two lynch wagons because you have literally had no impact on the game? You are either terrible or mafia
are u telling me that promoting a better option on and off for the eight hours before deadline (and the entirety of the last 40 minutes) is "terrible or mafia"
can you tell me how popping in here to make some not very good posts and going off again is “promoting a better option”?
On March 08 2019 08:50 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: No you fucking idiots, I don't have to "pick a wagon" especially when I think they both have a good shot at being town. You all seem to have the memory of squirrels and can't think past the five pages you've managed to spam every 10 minutes.
Unlike some of you who say things like "HF/BH feels townie but I guess I gotta consolidate on someone" I'm going to continue to vote my reads. Just sliding onto a wagon because everyone else is does nothing to help find scum.
^^^^^^^^
You both are actually terrible and do nothing to advance town wincon, lynching mafia
i will switch onto BH because this is clearly not going to happen in the time remaining but this attitude is extremely unhelpful unless the thread really is this dead thisclose to deadline
Maybe if you actually chose a side earlier inside of waffling on a dead wagon things would be different. You didn’t, so it’s not
???????????????????????????? you have been enforcing that everyone has to vote on one of these two wagons. and i believe that when the thread has this little urgency this close to deadline, it is a sign that mafia has no skin in the game, aka TvT wagons, aka we should lynch someone else. i had stated half an hour out that i would switch my vote to BH if shenannies absolutely were not happening. at 5 till i did that. then with 4 minutes left two players come in and both say "oh well looks like no shenanigans" like ??????? we could if you show up more than 5 minutes before deadline and also if mroe than 6 people are playing when it happens. like have a contingency plan for if shenannies are not happening (which i did) but do not criticize me for attacking the defeatist attitude that everyone has and promoting an alternative lynch
On March 08 2019 09:00 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: You guys have all sheeped yourselves into believing you only have two options lol.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Yes because I really wanted holyflare to die and it literally means nothing to your alignment that you voted whoever it was, great help thanks.
By attacking what defeatist attitude, how in the world is “you have to vote this two people if you are town” a defeatist attitude. You know what a defeatist attitude is? It’s, we are gonna lynch town anyway you guys suck should’ve not had 2 wagons and asked people to sheep.
Disgusting
sorry i think you're saying something but it's too small for me to read
Alright then, live in your world where being right wins games
On March 08 2019 11:01 LightningStrike wrote: First off I out of class and saw the flip and figured he would flip town given how EoD played out and secondly
On March 09 2019 09:06 Holyflare wrote: Oh hey look absolutely everyone that would be defending me died and the one guy that yelled about lynching me for dumb reasons was mafia. That's cool.
honestly its so one sided it feels like mafia cant be this bad with their nk selection. If there gonna go this route why not just nk you. Oh maybe because you have been shitting up the thread fair point sicklucker to self. But ya obviously your town or mafia is doing some next level reverse mind tricks
But this also means mafia team is bad at mafia because it blatantly reveals my alignment which is the thing they needed to perpetuate because i was helping them blend.
From your perspective you have an enormous information lead on the rest of us, top scum read pls
On March 10 2019 06:17 Tumblewood wrote: this is the current state of reads, pretty much. i keep forgetting my reasons for reading most of the probable town, but i assure you they are of the highest quality. boutta filter most people to remember why and once i do make all the hipster townreads stronger and also explain things.
tunequivocally town Mocsta LightningStrike Acrofales Meapak_Ziphh Vivax Pandain Jockmcplop
probably town Grackaroni Rels Fecalfeast Mr. Wiggles ExO_ sicklucker tubesock
possible scum Ace darthfoley Onegu Tictock
more scummy [UoN]Sentinel Alakaslam Oatsmaster Chezinu
On March 09 2019 09:02 Dandel Ion wrote: rsoultin, the Vanilla Townie has been killed. Damdred, the Vanilla Townie has been killed. BloodyC0bbler, the Mafia Roleblocker has been killed. WaveofShadow, the Vanilla Townie has been killed. raynpelikoneet, the Vanilla Townie has been killed.
Yeah for the scum death! But there goes my town circle
And lol @ 3 townies hard townreading HF + 1 scum hard pushing HF dying. HF is town and scum are trying to ML him again
Rels fucking help me.
Like this yes 100%
And he shot him after this.
The fucking cherry on top is the Ace claim with pandain in it.
I also want to know the mafia motivation for dayvigging holyflare
I'm tired and dumb. Walk me through this please.
Pandain day vigd HF. In plain view in the thread. What does Ace have to do with anything?
On March 09 2019 09:02 Dandel Ion wrote: rsoultin, the Vanilla Townie has been killed. Damdred, the Vanilla Townie has been killed. BloodyC0bbler, the Mafia Roleblocker has been killed. WaveofShadow, the Vanilla Townie has been killed. raynpelikoneet, the Vanilla Townie has been killed.
Yeah for the scum death! But there goes my town circle
And lol @ 3 townies hard townreading HF + 1 scum hard pushing HF dying. HF is town and scum are trying to ML him again
Rels fucking help me.
Like this yes 100%
And he shot him after this.
The fucking cherry on top is the Ace claim with pandain in it.
I also want to know the mafia motivation for dayvigging holyflare
I'm tired and dumb. Walk me through this please.
Pandain day vigd HF. In plain view in the thread. What does Ace have to do with anything?
I also want to know the mafia motivation for dayvigging holyflare
On March 10 2019 06:31 Acrofales wrote: Lol. I love how the Chez case is 99% based on a wrong interpretation of my role. I can't make heads or tails.of his filter but he totally stopped playing for 3 days now. Is Chez one of those guys who hates playing scum? He seemed super excited to play before the game started...
On March 07 2019 02:06 Grackaroni wrote: I'm reading through Wiggles' filter now.
I have a strong suspicion that if he is scum that I can find the entire mafia team from associations in his filter.
exo is downgraded to possible scum because on second glance his filter sucks FF gets to stay where he is on vibes alone. some good vibes in that filter tube gets to stay because although there are a lot of bad unoriginal posts the "trap" thing is insane, and insane people are usually town wiggles stays for his dedication to posting even when no one else is around, and because of generally good vibes and town sentiments. not because of any one post but i do think he is town everyone else is not quite convincing enough to move one way or the other. what a great list, i am as the kids would say "1337"
Like acro completely didn’t need to claim here, his shot was anonymous and yeah cmon. Ace proposing nonsense and not thinking this through is super scummy
On March 11 2019 20:05 Ace wrote: Wiggles, Oats. I'd like to see your comments on the rest of the ideas instead of singling out only the role claim aspect. Specifically two parts:
1.) What do you think about the Town claiming this much KP in the absence of other roles as of now?
Go back to Night 1. We now know there was a scum roleblocker in BC. Some combination of 2 KP hit iamperfection or he was RB + shot. Either way it shows a concerted effort to get this guy out of the game.
Here are his posts referencing people as Scum on Day 1 that are sill alive:
Onegu
On March 05 2019 08:55 iamperfection wrote:
On March 05 2019 08:54 Onegu wrote: Aright LS..
##Vote: Rsoultin
obvious mafia what are you doing
On March 05 2019 09:44 iamperfection wrote:
On March 05 2019 09:43 Onegu wrote: Dont vigi me I know I didnt do much but I am green!
you need to die too
On March 05 2019 23:49 iamperfection wrote: Onegu not caring about the lynch coming back and really only talking about Raoul is extremely scummy. Probably because he is scum
Vivax
On March 06 2019 03:11 iamperfection wrote:
On March 06 2019 02:59 Vivax wrote: Basically he let BH off the hook way too easily for it to be town iamp.
"if BH doesn't get lynched TL mafia is ded" to '"Let's vote the guy who's going to kill Palmar"
Why are you misrepresenting what happened. I screamed at every player in the game to vote bh.
It's clear I'm town and you not being able to see that is extremely confusing as we've played a few games together. My play is basically the opposite of my scum play in this game
Now of these 2 Vivax would be my best guess. Partially because my Day 1/2 had me pushing HF, and I ended up Townreading BC and Vivax out of confirmation bias. BC flipped scum. Vivax flipping scum for "agreeing" with my arguments wouldn't be surprising at all.
However, there's a 3rd player that's really, really confusing.
On March 06 2019 03:54 iamperfection wrote:
On March 06 2019 03:51 Acrofales wrote: I mean, BH is gonna have to die or we're just gonna have this conversation til the end of days. But
On March 05 2019 08:59 Blazinghand wrote: Well, sorry for the poor performance guys. Exo is either more perceptive than most of you, or scum looking for post flip cred, for talking to me like I'm town. Same with Ace.
I really didn't expect the thread to balloon so much. Thabks for killing me early, this is a good plynch. Good luck everyone, and have fun!
This while useless seems like a VT who doesn't want to play, and not like a scummer who doesn't want to play. He's at least dropping *some* kinda info there.
Note that this was pretty much simultaneous with Conversions shenanigans, so unless they are scum together (a possibility that we shouldn't disregard and why we need the flip), BH really thought he was getting lynched here, and this is his "last words".
He says nothing in that post what are you talking about. What are you reading
On March 06 2019 03:45 iamperfection wrote:
On March 06 2019 03:44 Acrofales wrote:
On March 06 2019 03:35 iamperfection wrote:
On March 06 2019 03:34 Acrofales wrote:
On March 06 2019 03:14 iamperfection wrote:
On March 06 2019 03:11 WaveofShadow wrote:
On March 06 2019 02:58 Vivax wrote:
On March 06 2019 02:51 WaveofShadow wrote: In case it got buried,vivax you need to explain why Iamp is top scum read. I'm not finding much aside from one recent post.
If I had a word to describe town iamp, it'd be something like crusader against bullshit.
He played the part pretty well yesterday when BH came back into the thread, but not for long enough to warrant that name since he decided to kill Palmar by voting HF over himself instead.
Well that's....pretty damning? hmm. Ok yeah going to need something from iamp on this. I can't for the life of me understand why he voted for HF.
How has nobody brought this up yet? Jesus.
Scummy post from you though. seems like you know hf is mafia?
When did you get so bad at this game?
Trying to bait me?
Well. You made a big bad case on me. That was bad. Then you helped get Palmar killed for bad reasons. I even told you I went back and read his filter trying to read it as scum and couldn't, yet you just persisted and nailed him to the cross (holyflare might have dragged him up there, but you sure as shit helped hammer the nails in).
So if you're town, please stop being bad. We kinda need the help.
I don't trust you
And of course, iamp's only vote
On March 04 2019 03:57 iamperfection wrote: ##mayor: iamperfection ##vote: acrofales
Now this is where things are pretty crazy. There are 3 things that may be purely circumstance that paint Acro as scum.
1.) Iamp's posts and vote. Of course he was town in retrospect, but I really do believe he died for being correct about someone. The only thing that saves Acro imo is Scum having 4 conditional KP is wild. He could instead be 3rd party but let's put that on the backburner for now.
2.) On Day 2 someone asked me to read their case on Acro. I didn't find it convincing but I do faintly remember it being spoken about by others. Specifically I think it was rayne who asked me to comment on it but I didn't. Acro being anti-town and wanting them dead isn't out of the realm of possibility.
3.) That role claim. I just can't get around it existing in that form if it possibly end up targeting only Town players. One of chez/Pandain would have to be scum if his role is true. And I'd expect Acro to push one super hard off the damdred flip.
It could be purely circumstance that Acro falls into the puzzle like this but I doubt it. And reading his posts Day 2 and Day 3 they don't really scream scum that hard. Tricky shit :D
1) town only has 3 confirmed kp so that’s not like a lot
2) acro didn’t need to claim anything, do you understand? He could’ve just shot and not said anything at all. The fact that he claimed at all makes him really townie
On March 12 2019 01:31 Ace wrote: Maybe you didn't understand. I'm no longer speaking on his claim. Actually read the post.
I don’t care about the post. For example, if a player can verify that he has a town role pm then it doesn’t matter what he posts because he’s town right? Same thing with acro
On March 08 2019 05:35 ExO_ wrote: I’m at work, I’ve been busy this week and will stay busy until the weekend as my boss is in town until tomorrow. Looks like HF and BH, and between the 2 Id rather lynch BH. Will hang around for 10 mins or so
On March 08 2019 05:35 ExO_ wrote: I’m at work, I’ve been busy this week and will stay busy until the weekend as my boss is in town until tomorrow. Looks like HF and BH, and between the 2 Id rather lynch BH. Will hang around for 10 mins or so
When you get a chance, can you explain if the bolded sentence was about Trfel or BH? And if it was about BH, why did you vote for him?
On March 05 2019 08:53 ExO_ wrote:
On March 05 2019 08:51 iamperfection wrote:
On March 05 2019 08:50 ExO_ wrote:
On March 05 2019 08:49 iamperfection wrote:
On March 05 2019 08:49 ExO_ wrote:
On March 05 2019 08:47 darthfoley wrote: I don’t think Trfel reacts like this if he’s mafia before deadline. He’s trying to be heard and sounds genuinely offended that people aren’t interacting with him.
I would think he would try and throw shade on anyone at this point but he isn’t
I generally agree with this same sentiment.
Looks like its Blazing Hand for the Lynch. It sucks cuz it looks like he's just town giving up to me but there's literally no other choice right now.
how the hell can you think that
Which part?
he dosent look town at all
He's here at end of day trying to prove his innocence. All of these people (especially you) love to stroke your own egos with how somebodys posting means X or Y without really considering sometimes it's hard to just play well in a large game like this.
To me, he looks like a town that cares at end of day.
I was talking about trfel — when he said “he doesn’t look town at al”l I assumed he was talking about trfel—I responded with my opinion on trfel
On March 09 2019 00:32 Vivax wrote: And it's rather obvious HF is bussing Jock as of now. But guess what, he'll probably spend most of the day tomorrow doing distancing, moving people to jock and at deadline he'll just try to move everyone to some random lynch bait using sentiment as he always did.
Vivax in order to be productive I'm gonna ask you to go with the assumption HF is town at least for tomorrow so we don't waste another day of jubjub debate.
What are your thoughts on a wiggles/fecalfeast/damdred lynch?
Why are you leaving out jock who to me looks like the only guy you've cased if we want to call it like that.
On March 06 2019 10:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 05 2019 07:36 Jockmcplop wrote: I've been keeping up but not posting. Shouldn't trfel be here defending himself if he's scum instead of that 'take it or leave it' bullshit?
On March 05 2019 07:56 Jockmcplop wrote: I'm voting trfel because so many people have reads on him and I'm not sure what's going on with BH at all.
Soo post one suggests that you think trfel is town and then you decide to vote for him as scum bc "you don't know whats going on with BC"
HMMMMMM
Also you're one of those HF lurker voters...
On March 05 2019 18:37 Jockmcplop wrote:
On March 05 2019 18:29 rsoultin wrote: i'm done with you acro. go back to something interesting, if you can manage it. calling your maybes in your reads list bad was a good start
@jock uhhuh...yeah i don't get how you read this game and claim that hf didn't have a scumread on palmar that he made overwhelmingly clear multiple times including his intention to use the mayor lynch to vote him. if your uncommitted to any pov is your way of saying he's scum i guess that makes some sense but it's a lot of words just to nullread someone
At one point he said he wasn't going to lynch palmar and was just using the platform to find out who would go for it. The he said that was a lie. This is the post that is making me question his motives and how genuine his palmar read was.
This is literally hours after the flip dude. What about him literally killing palmar is making you question his motives. Jock you've waffled so many times on HF in the last 24 hours I can't help but feel like you're setting yourself up for either side of an HF lynch and you're just waiting to see which way the thread goes.
You also ask a lot of questions and push very few reads. You have only one substantial post detailing who you think is scum and have done nothing to advance your case... my goodness we're gonna have quite the docket of scum once I'm done sifting through the HF voters.
Why would someone only be allowed to ask about people they've cased?
ExOs contributions for the weekend.
Kill with fire.
Please everyone just kill ExO and Tubesock before you lay a hand on anyone else ok. Wouldn't want town just killing each other cause it's just the townies who get into your field of view, although it would be fitting for a end of the world mafia.
It's almost day 4 and safe to say that only the most vocal dudes got pushed. Lurker lynch seems shitty, but it's simple.
DF not posting during night phase when he's had surgery very recently and should have at least a few days off also screams like he's just flying under the radar.
Also as town he should have the most information by now and be motivated to do something with it and he isn't. Seems to me like all mafia lurk hard at this point and none of them want to step forward cause that'd mean putting in more work than their perceived shitty teammates.
Stop using out of game reasons to read people muppet
On March 08 2019 05:35 ExO_ wrote: I’m at work, I’ve been busy this week and will stay busy until the weekend as my boss is in town until tomorrow. Looks like HF and BH, and between the 2 Id rather lynch BH. Will hang around for 10 mins or so
On March 08 2019 05:54 ExO_ wrote:
On March 08 2019 05:45 darthfoley wrote:
On March 08 2019 05:35 ExO_ wrote: I’m at work, I’ve been busy this week and will stay busy until the weekend as my boss is in town until tomorrow. Looks like HF and BH, and between the 2 Id rather lynch BH. Will hang around for 10 mins or so
When you get a chance, can you explain if the bolded sentence was about Trfel or BH? And if it was about BH, why did you vote for him?
On March 05 2019 08:53 ExO_ wrote:
On March 05 2019 08:51 iamperfection wrote:
On March 05 2019 08:50 ExO_ wrote:
On March 05 2019 08:49 iamperfection wrote:
On March 05 2019 08:49 ExO_ wrote: [quote]
I generally agree with this same sentiment.
Looks like its Blazing Hand for the Lynch. It sucks cuz it looks like he's just town giving up to me but there's literally no other choice right now.
how the hell can you think that
Which part?
he dosent look town at all
He's here at end of day trying to prove his innocence. All of these people (especially you) love to stroke your own egos with how somebodys posting means X or Y without really considering sometimes it's hard to just play well in a large game like this.
To me, he looks like a town that cares at end of day.
I was talking about trfel — when he said “he doesn’t look town at al”l I assumed he was talking about trfel—I responded with my opinion on trfel
On March 09 2019 01:04 ExO_ wrote:
On March 09 2019 01:03 Vivax wrote:
On March 09 2019 00:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 09 2019 00:32 Vivax wrote: And it's rather obvious HF is bussing Jock as of now. But guess what, he'll probably spend most of the day tomorrow doing distancing, moving people to jock and at deadline he'll just try to move everyone to some random lynch bait using sentiment as he always did.
Vivax in order to be productive I'm gonna ask you to go with the assumption HF is town at least for tomorrow so we don't waste another day of jubjub debate.
What are your thoughts on a wiggles/fecalfeast/damdred lynch?
Why are you leaving out jock who to me looks like the only guy you've cased if we want to call it like that.
On March 06 2019 10:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 05 2019 07:36 Jockmcplop wrote: I've been keeping up but not posting. Shouldn't trfel be here defending himself if he's scum instead of that 'take it or leave it' bullshit?
On March 05 2019 07:56 Jockmcplop wrote: I'm voting trfel because so many people have reads on him and I'm not sure what's going on with BH at all.
Soo post one suggests that you think trfel is town and then you decide to vote for him as scum bc "you don't know whats going on with BC"
HMMMMMM
Also you're one of those HF lurker voters...
On March 05 2019 18:37 Jockmcplop wrote:
On March 05 2019 18:29 rsoultin wrote: i'm done with you acro. go back to something interesting, if you can manage it. calling your maybes in your reads list bad was a good start
@jock uhhuh...yeah i don't get how you read this game and claim that hf didn't have a scumread on palmar that he made overwhelmingly clear multiple times including his intention to use the mayor lynch to vote him. if your uncommitted to any pov is your way of saying he's scum i guess that makes some sense but it's a lot of words just to nullread someone
At one point he said he wasn't going to lynch palmar and was just using the platform to find out who would go for it. The he said that was a lie. This is the post that is making me question his motives and how genuine his palmar read was.
This is literally hours after the flip dude. What about him literally killing palmar is making you question his motives. Jock you've waffled so many times on HF in the last 24 hours I can't help but feel like you're setting yourself up for either side of an HF lynch and you're just waiting to see which way the thread goes.
You also ask a lot of questions and push very few reads. You have only one substantial post detailing who you think is scum and have done nothing to advance your case... my goodness we're gonna have quite the docket of scum once I'm done sifting through the HF voters.
Why would someone only be allowed to ask about people they've cased?
ExOs contributions for the weekend.
Kill with fire.
Please everyone just kill ExO and Tubesock before you lay a hand on anyone else ok. Wouldn't want town just killing each other cause it's just the townies who get into your field of view, although it would be fitting for a end of the world mafia.
It's almost day 4 and safe to say that only the most vocal dudes got pushed. Lurker lynch seems shitty, but it's simple.
DF not posting during night phase when he's had surgery very recently and should have at least a few days off also screams like he's just flying under the radar.
Also as town he should have the most information by now and be motivated to do something with it and he isn't. Seems to me like all mafia lurk hard at this point and none of them want to step forward cause that'd mean putting in more work than their perceived shitty teammates.
Stop using out of game reasons to read people muppet
DF is an active town player who loves analyzing things. This game he's just apathetic. Prove me wrong.
On March 11 2019 07:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Aight its the opposite from yesterday, i could honestly go for both of these lunches. But gut and dead town say sentinel so I'm comfortable with that.
alright this one is the thing that is really scummy for me. Hes like still waffley and uses dead town from like day 1 to justify his read when there is so much more that MZ couldve used but he doesnt care. He also uses the word "comfortable" which implies an uncaring attitude towards the lynch. I feel like he hedges here with the "dead town" because he doesnt want to seem too sure that Sent is mafia because he isnt supposed to know BUT HE DOES DUN DUN DUN
On March 12 2019 23:00 Tubesock wrote: Acrofales - confirmed Sicklucker -he picked up why Chez is scum and FF is town Fecalfeast - bombing Chez is brilliant. I believe his claim and he’s the only hatter. Onegu - feels plus I like his mechanical analysis LightningStrike - Trust of the dead, too active for mafia LS Vivax - he’s alive because he’s useful for mafia, he does not promote town circles. Alakaslam- feels. I used to study Slam. This isn’t like any Slam I’ve ever seen. But feels. Grackaroni - he had a few posts I thought were spot on. Mocsta - probably should be null. Hmm
Jockmcplop Meapak_ziph Mr. Wiggles - I think he could be town BUT OMGUS, he half assed went after LS (LS rule), and most the dead wanted his lynch. Including Ticktock. Darthfoley - POE mostly Rels- mafia need a mason to find Traitor, Rsoultin said scum with good reason, and Ticktock, plus I think 8 blues is a bit much. Pandain- I’ll never believe that a town day vig would make this post + Show Spoiler [call 4 HF vig] +
On March 08 2019 18:43 Pandain wrote: Hey everyone. For those who don't know me, I'm pretty sure it's pretty obvious to tell when I'm town or not when I'm actually playing. Expect to see a hell of a lot more activity, and actually I was pretty up to date with the whole part of day 2 when I asked Kita to replace after I saw AMG was similarly overwhelmed like me the first day.
I won't dwell on the past too much, but Holyflare 100% needs to be vigi'd tonight. It was remarkable watching the last day.
HF talk has already spammed the thread and later tonight I'm going to be looking into others, but I want to emphasize two points.
1. Fake claimed for no town reason . I don't care about fake claims in general ,I used to do it all the time. However, when Town does it it's because they have a reason to (and holyflare already established he did not just do it for the "Lolz".) There was no reason to fake-claim, and honestly I'm not sure about how it benefits mafia but it sure as hell makes no sense from a town perspective. Also can we just kill people who outright lie for no reason?
2. Furthermore, HF dying gives a huge amount of information. If he's mafia, I actually think we can start wrapping up the game because HF has been at the center of the thread and voting thread for both days. If he actually does just turn out to be a balls-out crazy town, I think it's very safe to say a good amount of mafia probably voted for him after he made his intentions clear to vote Palmar. Either way, town is in a good position.
However, I am pleading for a vigilante to end the job. The information best helps us if we know it at the start of the day cycle.
I'm actually not even certain I would support a Holyflare day 3 lynch.
Also just FYI BC and Ace need to die with fire if either of them live to day four.
It’s so incredibly overexplainy for someone who is going to shoot Holyflare.
On March 08 2019 04:10 Oatsmaster wrote: Mafia boi
If wriggles does the same thing as you in that his case on you can be applied to him, and you are town, doesn’t that mean he’s also town? How does it mean he’s mafia
I never scumread him. So, it’s hilarious you are saying I’m scum for this, but apparently Wiggles is somehow town for doing exactly that. Take a look at my two posts:
On March 06 2019 18:52 Tubesock wrote: Wiggles, you’ve been scumming me since before I even scummed Trfel. Yet you’ve never voted me. Why not? You seem pretty convinced, you have some others who agree. Think about what you say because I’m going to have great satisfaction copy and pasting things from your case on me in my defense.
On March 06 2019 21:47 Tubesock wrote: Wiggles is funny to me. I feel like I can just take his case on me, and find/replace his name for mine and submit it with equal fervor. Plus we voted on both wagons so we can’t be too far off.
Why do you think i wrote the big and bold?? It’s a fucking trap and you fell right into it.
Oatsmaster didn’t bother to read anything more than the single post and looking for “reads” at the shallowest of levels. You went straight to Tube is mafia because of this “slip” you found. Yet you had no idea it was a trap and you fell into it!!!
This action on your part is representative of your entire game. You are mafia.
Oatsmaster, who waffles on Mr. Wiggles, immediately takes Wiggles word without hesitation or investigating the truthfulness of either mine or Wiggles filter and says I’m scum. This of course was based on a flat lie that Oatsmaster didn’t bother at all to investigate. He shouldn’t have trusted Wiggles word as he didn’t show any indication that he strongly townread Wiggles. A town always distrusts, and when I confronted Oats, he was just “oh I’m wrong, whoops” and then just did whatever he was doing. I would think town would question Wiggles a bit after that. Chezinu - there’s four scenarios concerning the Great FF/Chezinu Mad Hatter Debate of 2019. 1)Both are Mafia. This would be so goddamn genius. Lynch one they flip mafia and the other is confirmed town with 0% chance of being questioned for not being NK’d. Having a backup Cop flip day one and HF going on how this is a themed game I can see a world where Chez and FF think up this shit. Especially if Sicklucker is mafia also. They’re all crafty. But I think it is unnecessary and considering there’s only two dead mafia, I think it’s unlikely. But yolo end of era plays. HF tried one. 2) Fecalfeast/Chezinu- a one for one would be a complete waste. Almost zero chance. 3) both town- possible. Mafia could hold the shot on FF hoping they could mlynch Chezinu, and then shoot FF if he places a bomb on a mafia friendly target the next night. Seems needlessly risky for two free dead towns. 4)FecalfeastCezinu- mafia would never shoot in this instance unless for some crazy bad reason they thought FF was lying about his bomb. I think this is by far the most likely situation. My vote will not waver from Chezinu. I haven’t had internet since Thursday. Apologies. This Thursday and Friday I probably won’t have it again. There were technical difficulties at work.
I’m caught up, going to be rereading stuff. I’ll be here for several hours.
On March 13 2019 02:47 LightningStrike wrote: We do have to kill Chez because despite his Meta Tell FF should of died if Chez is town based on the claims. MZ can be saved for Day 5 or so but right now we have to solve the brown himself.
Here's my proposal, kill me today and then kill one of my red reads day 5. If chez is actually scum he will have broken like a decade of meta.
Also for the record I have a very hard time believing FFs claim.
On March 13 2019 02:47 LightningStrike wrote: We do have to kill Chez because despite his Meta Tell FF should of died if Chez is town based on the claims. MZ can be saved for Day 5 or so but right now we have to solve the brown himself.
Here's my proposal, kill me today and then kill one of my red reads day 5. If chez is actually scum he will have broken like a decade of meta.
Also for the record I have a very hard time believing FFs claim.
Why would ff casually cc chez?
Because why not? Chez is chez. His role claima are always incredibly difficult to actually nail down and while he's rattling off about bombs its very easy for FF to come in a clearly state he's a hatter and just by the lack of fluff with his claim he's got more credibility than chez.
Alright so his claim is null then, why does it make him mafia that he claimed? Cause I believe that’s what you are saying
On March 13 2019 02:47 LightningStrike wrote: We do have to kill Chez because despite his Meta Tell FF should of died if Chez is town based on the claims. MZ can be saved for Day 5 or so but right now we have to solve the brown himself.
Here's my proposal, kill me today and then kill one of my red reads day 5. If chez is actually scum he will have broken like a decade of meta.
Also for the record I have a very hard time believing FFs claim.
It's the last game most likely for TL Mafia and Rels brought up the point that he could break his meta for the final hurrah. Why you don't believe FF's claim?
Because I had a pretty strong red read on FF. Besides this town so far has been remarkably willing to accept role claims (that's neither good nor bad, I've just been part of towns in the past that were suspicious as shit of all claims). Besides hatter is a great scum claim bc it conveniently explains why you don't get NK'd and vigis are more nervous to shoot you.
I also don't like Rel for town very much, the traitor role has already flipped and someone pointed out scum mason would be a great role for helping the mafia team find the traitor.
Similarly I absolutely do not under any circumstances consider pandain townconfirmed, especially since he wasnt shot last night and tumble was.
Why would FF do that when the vigs all outed themselves???? If Rels is mafia you would have to assume that magfia didn't know who the traitor is but know there is a traitor so why would he recruit his townreads in Tina (rsoultin), Rayn and later recruited me?
How do you know all the vigis are outed? Its a closed setup. And if hes scum, he probably just recruits people he thinks he can influence. Like mafia can say "these are my townreads" and always be right lol.
Didn’t you just say that mafia can use the mason to find the traitor? Ibut now you are saying use it for influence?
On March 13 2019 02:47 LightningStrike wrote: We do have to kill Chez because despite his Meta Tell FF should of died if Chez is town based on the claims. MZ can be saved for Day 5 or so but right now we have to solve the brown himself.
Here's my proposal, kill me today and then kill one of my red reads day 5. If chez is actually scum he will have broken like a decade of meta.
Also for the record I have a very hard time believing FFs claim.
Why would ff casually cc chez?
Because why not? Chez is chez. His role claima are always incredibly difficult to actually nail down and while he's rattling off about bombs its very easy for FF to come in a clearly state he's a hatter and just by the lack of fluff with his claim he's got more credibility than chez.
Alright so his claim is null then, why does it make him mafia that he claimed? Cause I believe that’s what you are saying
No I had FF as red well before his claim.
You imply that there’s something wrong with his claim when it’s actually his play that’s wrong and the claim is null but you didn’t make that clear
On March 13 2019 03:55 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I also managed to get the hotel wifi to upload the excel to the spreadsheet. It's current as of last Wednesday morning.
Hmmm. Why are the flip colors updated, but not the reads with nightly insights?
What do you mean?
I've got it so that light green means you called a flipped town, green before their death and purple means you scum read a townie who flipped green.
But you didn't update the reads list with progressing reads from ppl.
On March 13 2019 04:35 Oatsmaster wrote: Either tube or chez
On March 13 2019 04:36 Acrofales wrote:
On March 13 2019 04:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Oat and Acro, outside of me, who do you think is most likely to pop scum?
DF
I think of those three DF is the most likely to be red.
You guys both buy FF's claim?
Ehh I wanna say there’s a hatter and it might well be FF so meh, I don’t think it’s necessarily fake
Why FF over Chez?
Do you have a town read of LS?
I think ls is town solely for trying to rub it in our face that his townreads were correct
Chez has been weird this game like other people have pointed out, his rp has been wobbly. What I would not be suprised to see is like a 3p hatter that wins if he blows up mafia or something crazy like that
On March 13 2019 04:43 Oatsmaster wrote: I wanna say scum feel like they are a little behind so they are playing safe, if they were really ahead sure
I mean we're really devolving into a WIFOM discussion here but wouldn't shooting a claimed hatter with scum reads most people have as green be the optimal play?
Unless somehow FF is right in reading LS as scum and Chez has broken his meta for the first time and therefore FF miraculously has bombs on scum? I just don't buy it.
They are scared he has his bombs on mafia that aren’t those ya I guess, I dunno MZ
On March 13 2019 04:43 Oatsmaster wrote: I wanna say scum feel like they are a little behind so they are playing safe, if they were really ahead sure
I mean we're really devolving into a WIFOM discussion here but wouldn't shooting a claimed hatter with scum reads most people have as green be the optimal play?
Unless somehow FF is right in reading LS as scum and Chez has broken his meta for the first time and therefore FF miraculously has bombs on scum? I just don't buy it.
They are scared he has his bombs on mafia that aren’t those ya I guess, I dunno MZ
But he hasn't claimed his bombs, how would they know?
On March 13 2019 08:04 Vivax wrote: Okay so I just spent an hour reading the last 15-20 pages. I get why y'all are annoyed with me for low activity but that's just the way the cookie has crumbled.Don't expect cases cuz I'm on one handed mobile
I don't understand why everyone is shocked Ace got NK'd. I'm pretty sure he's some old
FULL STOP THIS IS TOO ANNOYING
So you're telling me you wrote this on a phone, one handed.
You put in spaces after the commas, you capitalize everything correctly. You even quote a goddamn post.
DF is lying guys. There is no human being on this earth patient enough to put up with all that shit one handed. Hell, I've tried retyping this on a computer with my right hand and by the time I stopped, 2:55 had passed.
If df actually did what he claimed to have done, then he'd probably have needed more time than that. And on top of it, he'd have gone insane by the time he finished.
Just try it out for yourself. Also bring a volunteer in to do it on mobile.
On March 13 2019 06:55 darthfoley wrote: Okay so I just spent an hour reading the last 15-20 pages. I get why y’all are annoyed with me for low activity but that’s just the way the cookie has crumbled. Don’t expect cases cuz I’m on one handed mobile
I don’t understand why everyone is shocked Ace got NK’d. I’m pretty sure he’s some old school legend and he had just beaten a lynch. Mafia was probably just afraid he’d come out guns blazing. TW was an obvious kill; TT I thought had been finally Town and doing the TT thing of being in his own bubble and pushing things that people didn’t interact with. Of any of them, he’s the guy I’d peg as dying for having correctly identified scum.
Definitely getting to the point where having vixax and Acro around w/ only one scum flipped on D4 is sus. I’m moreso sus of Acro because there was a lot of heat on him D1, he wiggles out of it, hasn’t really been scum read since, claimed blue and is still living. Compare that to Ace who survived one round of lynching and was immediately kaput. Plus he’s pushing me today instead of trying to figure out FF/Chez. I know that means nothing to you guys, but I’m easy lynch bait this far into the game (deservedly so). I still fail to see his issue with my handling of the mayor vote D1, but he tries to make that some coup de grace.
Part of me still thinks that we caught MZ warly day one and somehow talked ourselves out of it days later. He pulled out some ExO quote from his filter but misrepresented it for another easy lynch candidate. Also
On March 13 2019 03:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 13 2019 03:40 Acrofales wrote:
On March 13 2019 03:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Acro and oats are either of you looking for reads on particular people?
I'm mainly looking for reads on you with this line of questioning. Any insight into the wagons of the day would be appreciated tho.
Those seem to be: you, TS, Chez, DF, maybe FF, maybe Slam.
I've had chez as town since d1, i wouldn't feel comfortable lynching into him until it was like 2v1 and I had a strong read on the other person.
I still think FF is scum.
I reread DF earlier today, i wouldn't put him as my number 1 scum read but he definitely pushed a lot of bad wagons that ended up on town.
I have no idea how to read slam
TS could be scum.
Also another note on rels: why in the world was rsoul shot instead of him? Like the whole mason thing pretty much confirmed her as town in many people's eyes but then scum shot TT and Ace instead of any other claims?
This is the most shallow reasoning of me being scum ever. In a game where ONE scum has been lynched. I haven’t been active enough to push wagons, and even if I did I’m part of a town that has almost exclusively pushed town wagons. Acro and MZ pushing me with little substance besides, “he’s inactive!” when we have two mad hatter sort of claims and neither one got targeted last night is poo poo. Sure it might be OMGUS but it’s apparently the last TL mafia game so sue me.
I feel like I have no idea what Rels or Mocsta have posted about anything. Rels seems too cordial and Mocsta too sensitive. But tbf I haven’t read huge chunks of the game.
From my understanding of how the claims went down, plus what SL said, Chez is probably scum and should be lynched.
Oats and Grack feel unconstrained from mafia agenda and feel Town. FF is probably legit unless they really are on some last game 3D chess. L I think ExO is just a town like me who got overwhelmed and decided they didn’t care as much as they expected to; we had similar reactions to a few events in the game.
Onegu/Wiggles/TS/etc I haven’t read enough of them to know. If you put s rope around my neck and forced me to choose, wiggles RP feels authentic and townie, TS has been so far under the radar that he may have become the radar
On March 14 2019 05:35 Pandain wrote: Honestly I just want one of MZ or Onegu lynched. But town needs to consolidate like last time or else mafia will make sure town gets lynched.
On March 12 2019 11:51 Oatsmaster wrote: Can we talk about vivax? He should be 100% gone by now also 1000% gone. I wanna say the ace kill means that scum knew that sent was mafia
Wtf does this mean? Why?
Because he was the alternative lynch so they got scared that he would be confirmed town because they knew how the votes fell
On March 14 2019 07:26 LightningStrike wrote: Oats and Grack, MZ not getting lynched today it's Tubesock, Onegu or Chez today. Unless we got a bunch of people who switch to him he's unlikely to get lynched so choose your wagon.
On March 14 2019 07:21 Mr. Wiggles wrote: TS' return reads poorly to us at the show because of how they latched on so hard to the FF/Chez claim stuff.
First point is that Chez' claim was trolly as heck, and read fake to us at least. At least some townies may have fell into that hole, so maybe we can cut a little slack here, but!
Second point is that the discussion is super easy for scum to get into. You don't need to analyze behavior or motivations, just focus on some crunchy role mechanics stuff. From that point of view, it looks like fake scum hunting, akin to someone trying to look town by doing setup speculation or something.
So, we get a bunch of one liner reads, with the only real effort devoted to something that barely contributes to town but attempts to look helpful.
On March 14 2019 08:24 LightningStrike wrote: I can't believe I talk myself into going with the switch to Chez like that man I feel retarded and had the worst day of my life. First breaking 3 bowls after getting pissed off at my dishwasher for not working when I wasn't operating right correctly and now this. Fuck my life......
Same here. I was really expecting all three wagons to flip scum. And until acro and slam did the last minute switch I thought Tube legit wasn't going to happen and that 'd rather vote with you and Grack.
On March 14 2019 08:44 Grackaroni wrote: That was mostly my fault tbh.
Also I'm scumming Oats for the big day 2 don't throw away your vote into day 3 vote throwaway.
ya hes a good option.
While this is factually true, I wasn’t around for deadline and when I left the difference between MZ and the second wagon was like 2-3 votes so not quite the same
On March 15 2019 04:34 ExO_ wrote: Why is Tubesocks' vote parked on Oatmaster and not chez yesterday as well, wtf is that nonsense. It doesn't make sense from a scum or VT perspective.
Actually it only makes sense from a scum perspective.
No. Surviving a lunch is good for everyone except scum with another scum as the only viable counterteam. That wasn't the case and was the bit that I didn't think through at flip. But mostly I just wanted to save chezinu.
Anyway, the counterwagon was totes town, so scum would always park their vote there "in self preservation" and not doing that is bad play as either alignment. So NAI.
Anyway, going over Oats filter again. Maybe the whole scumteam is in there. Kill him tomorrow!!!! Do not waffle on this!!!!
On March 15 2019 02:05 Acrofales wrote: It was hard to continue writing stuff about Grack and SL after I found that association tell on Oats. I really wanted to hit post soooo badly.
On March 15 2019 06:58 Oatsmaster wrote: Okay so if you wanna talk about association, why don’t I do that in every scum game? I clearly don’t
I don't know why you aren't always awkward with your scum buddies. You don't really have to be.
Why are you so awkward with BC this game?
It’s not really awkward though? Like he didn’t answer me that time and he was never around when I was arond, at least if he was he never said anything egregiously bad, so in a game with 35 people, he’s not my top priority.
The reason why claiming survivor is bad is because now town knows you have the possibility of winning with mafia and thus, might vote against what town needs, aka lynching mafia.
I think there’s a pretty decent chance onegu is actually survivor, however I want to lynch him anyway because he might be scum and he’s definitely not town
On March 15 2019 07:51 Oatsmaster wrote: The reason why claiming survivor is bad is because now town knows you have the possibility of winning with mafia and thus, might vote against what town needs, aka lynching mafia.
I think there’s a pretty decent chance onegu is actually survivor, however I want to lynch him anyway because he might be scum and he’s definitely not town
On March 15 2019 09:16 Mocsta wrote: lets work together obviously i didnt check you. i wanted to see some reactions but no one was here so all a bit fucked really hence why i didnt actually vote in the spot it counts. Maybe i was too obvious, dunno.
im happy to read the game, but I would prefer to do it as a knowledge share (i.e thread mason).
I have some odd thoughts right now, but I think my starting foundation is corrupted and/or forgotten.
want to read day1 with me? im thinking I might skip through anyone dead, and just read alive ppl post to get a feel of when/where they chose to comment etc?
So like with mocstas claim, it doesn’t make sense as mafia unless it’s lylo and they wanna have fun. Which I doubt. He’s not claiming well regardless and it’s annoying
On March 15 2019 11:31 LightningStrike wrote: Moscta it does matter only because if it's a red check we just lynch them today and if they not well you get the picture but I assuming a red check because you going to just park your vote there. ##Vote: Darthfoley
Lol he didn't vote me because he redchecked me. He didn't even check me. He's voted me because I haven't given a shit about this game and been wrong one more time than he has (I wasn't on the Sent wagon). Lynching me in LYLO for silly reasons would however, cap off this shit show of a town
On March 15 2019 13:43 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I'm fully prepared to sheep acro. Those NKs were a bit surprising but I'm still comfortable with what acro is saying. I am finally going home tomorrow so I'll at last be able to be more active for the last half of the day.
Ah yes lynch someone you’ve never called scum. Makes sense
On March 15 2019 11:52 Alakaslam wrote: Acrofales:
Why am i drawing your attention to this?
I have no idea. Because nobody has taken control of this boat?
Or because you think scum is captaining the boat?
Or because you really want to be in charge of rations?
Anyway, back to task.
I don't trust Mocsta's claim, rescinding it, or any of the reasoning around it. DF is probably scum, from my read through yesterday, but Oats is a sure thing.
I have no idea. Because nobody has taken control of this boat?
Or because you think scum is captaining the boat?
Or because you really want to be in charge of rations?
Anyway, back to task.
I don't trust Mocsta's claim, rescinding it, or any of the reasoning around it. DF is probably scum, from my read through yesterday, but Oats is a sure thing.
We need a sure thing. So sheep me onto Oats!
Really starting to look like this
I wish this was my scumgame. I wouldn't be as worried about my reads flipping the wrong color.
That's the main reason I don't trust mocsta, btw. With Grack and SL flipping town, there's scum hiding in my townreads.
The one thing I had going this game is that I was confident in my townreads and they all flipped green. My scumreads have been off (got HF and Damdred very wrong, and others on my "possible scum" got shot). The advantage is that the pool is smaller by the minute. The disadvantage is that I don't trust the town circle anymore.
That said, Oats is surely scum. He had me confused with his bumbling, up-in-your-face activity, but he's been inconsistent in his reads, voting the wrong way and the association tell is just the final nail in his coffin.
On March 15 2019 22:35 Acrofales wrote: Oats is Mafia 1. He acts weird when associating with known mafia.
Open up his filter, and just read it. That's what I was doing, expecting to find he was just a "lone wolf" townie, as Mocsta calls him. I wasn't even really looking at who he was talking to, just sorta reading the content. I came across his response to BC, and though "huh. That doesn't sound like Oats." And then I saw who he was talking to. I already quoted the post in my huge night post, but I think it's far better you just do this exercise for yourself.
Now go and read Ver's guide on mafia.
Now come back here and vote Oats.
1a. Grackaroni found him acting weird with Wiggles too. I kinda agree, but don't know what to make of it. Lets flip Oats first. If this is Oats just being weird with Wiggles, then we decide that. If this is Oats being weird with another one of his scumbuddies, then we got two. It's very possible, but I don't feel like casing Wiggles just to catch Oats. We case Oats to catch Oats.
I'm quoting it anyway, so everybody can make up their own mind: + Show Spoiler +
On March 07 2019 03:37 Grackaroni wrote: Wiggles and Oats
Seriously everyone stop what you're doing and read all of Oatsmaster's filter. It is snarky comment, followed by asshole question throughout the entire filter EXCEPT for one point, where he very clearly seems to be making conversation with Wiggles for no reason but because they're both online and want to distance:
Why isn’t Palmar, Blazinghand, Rels, onegu, pandain, darthFoley, etc on this list too? Are these that much different than straight policy lynches?
I think he asked this question to make Acro seem scummy for pushing low-content posters, and that conflicts with the way that Tubesock has been playing the game so far.
On March 03 2019 17:59 Tubesock wrote:
On March 03 2019 13:47 Tictock wrote: Ok, I came, I saw, I did some things. Seems like ppl are not around so gunna do other things. May check in once more before bed but I am pretty sure I am not going to fully read the stuff I missed.
I'd like someone who is wanting to lynch oats to convince me why he is scum.
Similarly as to why ppl are voting HF for mayor.
If deadline was right now/soon I would push for Meap or Grack to lynch.
You know HF was going to mayor lynch [UoN]Sentinel before it was cool right? So, the difference between HF and Palmar is HF has actually played so far and given plenty of opinions. And exactly like Chezinu said, latching onto this Sentinel policy is right up Palmars alley if both were scum. And absolutely worth it. Plus Palmar doesn’t have to do anything else, talk about skating by.
Vote HF for mayor for the Sentinel kill, ##VOTE: Palmarso he actually plays. Town win wins.
On March 04 2019 01:07 Tubesock wrote: I’m voting Trfl. Maybe he will come play.
If Tubesock is town I don't see why he should be questioning Acro's lynch choices considering his own so far.
I think this is a bad post. It's quite obvious why he questions acros posts because there's no distinction between any of those other players.
What do you think of Tubesock's deflection of my pressure earlier in the game?
On March 03 2019 06:01 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:41 Tubesock wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:25 Tubesock wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:05 Tubesock wrote: There isn’t anyone I want to lynch.
If I were mayor I’d sheep Holyflare most likely for the 2nd lynch.
I'm thinking I'd like to lynch you!
Or are you making this guy mayor, Ace?
That’s fair. I can vote HF for mayor sure. I don’t see how you could get me wanting Ace mayor out of what I said.
You were one of the two names Ace threw out to make someone non-contributing mayor.
Figure you're reading closely enough to say what you'd do as mayor, which no one else had mentioned but Ace, but still don't want to put forward an opinion about anyone.
Reads scummy to me.
When I have a lynch target I’ll let everyone one know. Do you want an opinion from me?
Am I and Conversion your only scumreads? Who do you want for mayor and why?
Yeah, I'd like to see some sort of contribution from you. What makes you want to support HF for mayor? Is it a scumread on Sentinel or some kind of policy lynch? You don't make that clear.
I'm cool lynching scummy people just trying to coast by on the first day without needing to stick their necks out too much. That's people like you so far, and Conversion who's re-hashing the same argument with MZ instead of moving to anything else. Guys like Acrofales and and Sent fall into this bucket for me right now too.
I'm not super thrilled with any of the mayoral candidates so far. I like HF the most from the people who've thrown their hat in since some of our reads jive. Disagree with him about Chez, his play seems par for the course from what I remember.
I asked for some kind of read, and instead got an answer of "later". I responded to their own questions and was ignored when they returned to the thread. Their posting has been very non-committal, and they still haven't really pushed a lynch target yet. The pressure votes don't come out and say, "I think this guy is scum", but are hedged as an activity motivator.
I'd like to hear more takes from others as well. Tubesock doesn't seem to get brought up much, so they're sliding by without much attention. They still haven't produced a hard read either.
Do you have an alignment read on ace from that exchanges
Why isn’t Palmar, Blazinghand, Rels, onegu, pandain, darthFoley, etc on this list too? Are these that much different than straight policy lynches?
I think he asked this question to make Acro seem scummy for pushing low-content posters, and that conflicts with the way that Tubesock has been playing the game so far.
On March 03 2019 17:59 Tubesock wrote:
On March 03 2019 13:47 Tictock wrote: Ok, I came, I saw, I did some things. Seems like ppl are not around so gunna do other things. May check in once more before bed but I am pretty sure I am not going to fully read the stuff I missed.
I'd like someone who is wanting to lynch oats to convince me why he is scum.
Similarly as to why ppl are voting HF for mayor.
If deadline was right now/soon I would push for Meap or Grack to lynch.
You know HF was going to mayor lynch [UoN]Sentinel before it was cool right? So, the difference between HF and Palmar is HF has actually played so far and given plenty of opinions. And exactly like Chezinu said, latching onto this Sentinel policy is right up Palmars alley if both were scum. And absolutely worth it. Plus Palmar doesn’t have to do anything else, talk about skating by.
Vote HF for mayor for the Sentinel kill, ##VOTE: Palmarso he actually plays. Town win wins.
On March 04 2019 01:07 Tubesock wrote: I’m voting Trfl. Maybe he will come play.
If Tubesock is town I don't see why he should be questioning Acro's lynch choices considering his own so far.
I think this is a bad post. It's quite obvious why he questions acros posts because there's no distinction between any of those other players.
What do you think of Tubesock's deflection of my pressure earlier in the game?
On March 03 2019 06:01 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:41 Tubesock wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:25 Tubesock wrote: [quote]
That’s fair. I can vote HF for mayor sure. I don’t see how you could get me wanting Ace mayor out of what I said.
You were one of the two names Ace threw out to make someone non-contributing mayor.
Figure you're reading closely enough to say what you'd do as mayor, which no one else had mentioned but Ace, but still don't want to put forward an opinion about anyone.
Reads scummy to me.
When I have a lynch target I’ll let everyone one know. Do you want an opinion from me?
Am I and Conversion your only scumreads? Who do you want for mayor and why?
Yeah, I'd like to see some sort of contribution from you. What makes you want to support HF for mayor? Is it a scumread on Sentinel or some kind of policy lynch? You don't make that clear.
I'm cool lynching scummy people just trying to coast by on the first day without needing to stick their necks out too much. That's people like you so far, and Conversion who's re-hashing the same argument with MZ instead of moving to anything else. Guys like Acrofales and and Sent fall into this bucket for me right now too.
I'm not super thrilled with any of the mayoral candidates so far. I like HF the most from the people who've thrown their hat in since some of our reads jive. Disagree with him about Chez, his play seems par for the course from what I remember.
I asked for some kind of read, and instead got an answer of "later". I responded to their own questions and was ignored when they returned to the thread. Their posting has been very non-committal, and they still haven't really pushed a lynch target yet. The pressure votes don't come out and say, "I think this guy is scum", but are hedged as an activity motivator.
I'd like to hear more takes from others as well. Tubesock doesn't seem to get brought up much, so they're sliding by without much attention. They still haven't produced a hard read either.
Do you have an alignment read on ace from that exchanges
I lean soft town on Ace so far. What I was sensing made sense to me, assuming I got it, and his other posting doesn't strike me as scum play.
Can you speculate the town reason for his proposal of how we should vote mayors in?
I think I'm picking up what you're putting down, Ace. We're being oblique, so I hope I'm not too far off base.
Gonna move that mayor vote.
oops
you wanna expand on this Wiggles? your play interests me so far. What do you think of tube now after scumreading him earlier
More or less reading that there's information to be gained outside of the policy lynch. That wagon should be dead now anyways.
Still reading scum on Tubesock. Don't think HF saw this earlier when I asked for comment:
On March 04 2019 05:49 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 04 2019 05:41 Holyflare wrote:
On March 04 2019 05:33 Grackaroni wrote: I think we should lynch Tubesock for this post:
[quote] I think he asked this question to make Acro seem scummy for pushing low-content posters, and that conflicts with the way that Tubesock has been playing the game so far.
[quote]
[quote] If Tubesock is town I don't see why he should be questioning Acro's lynch choices considering his own so far.
I think this is a bad post. It's quite obvious why he questions acros posts because there's no distinction between any of those other players.
What do you think of Tubesock's deflection of my pressure earlier in the game?
On March 03 2019 06:01 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:41 Tubesock wrote: [quote]
When I have a lynch target I’ll let everyone one know. Do you want an opinion from me?
Am I and Conversion your only scumreads? Who do you want for mayor and why?
Yeah, I'd like to see some sort of contribution from you. What makes you want to support HF for mayor? Is it a scumread on Sentinel or some kind of policy lynch? You don't make that clear.
I'm cool lynching scummy people just trying to coast by on the first day without needing to stick their necks out too much. That's people like you so far, and Conversion who's re-hashing the same argument with MZ instead of moving to anything else. Guys like Acrofales and and Sent fall into this bucket for me right now too.
I'm not super thrilled with any of the mayoral candidates so far. I like HF the most from the people who've thrown their hat in since some of our reads jive. Disagree with him about Chez, his play seems par for the course from what I remember.
I asked for some kind of read, and instead got an answer of "later". I responded to their own questions and was ignored when they returned to the thread. Their posting has been very non-committal, and they still haven't really pushed a lynch target yet. The pressure votes don't come out and say, "I think this guy is scum", but are hedged as an activity motivator.
I'd like to hear more takes from others as well. Tubesock doesn't seem to get brought up much, so they're sliding by without much attention. They still haven't produced a hard read either.
Do you have an alignment read on ace from that exchanges
I lean soft town on Ace so far. What I was sensing made sense to me, assuming I got it, and his other posting doesn't strike me as scum play.
Can you speculate the town reason for his proposal of how we should vote mayors in?
I suspect it was something of a bait to check reactions. As to what he was looking for exactly, I think he'd need to answer that himself. I get the feeling he was having a laugh too, like some of the other entry posts.
It's the lack of follow through or trying to push it that doesn't push it into scum territory for me. There was the one post about it, some reactions, and it didn't eat up a bunch of thread space with back and forth.
i mean, it gained 0 traction and a ton of backlash, why bother pushing it or following up on it. Unless it was a straight up joke post which i doubt, town Ace wouldve felt some ownership towards the case
On March 04 2019 14:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote: What do you think of the Acro case Oats?
I've been going back re-reading his posts and the case on him, but I'm having trouble making up my mind. I'll probably sleep on it and re-read again in the morning.
I wanna lynch Acro yeah lol
This is so out of character from the rest of how Oats acts in his filter.
On March 06 2019 01:55 Oatsmaster wrote: Looking at Mr wriggles filter, he’s about as bland as a bowl of porridge. He doesn’t put himself out there, doesn’t really seem interested in finding scum and is kinda cruising doing whatever, take some real fencesitting reads. mafia
It also took me longer to find relevant quotes that I knew I read before I realized that my search is off because he calls him Wriggles.
2. Throwing away the vote. Day 2, Oats was *adamant* we don't stray from the wagons: either kill HF or kill BH. Do not deviate!
Not voting (4): Damdred, Chezinu, ExO_, darthfoley
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Any town people who aren’t on either BH or Holyflare are actively playing against their wincon btw?
Not to say anything that would discourage people from voting HF (and thus saving me, who I know to be town) - but presumably some people strongly TR both me and HF. I'm sure there's scum in the 10 people not on either wagon, of course, but I could see someone having a reasonable reason here. I've certainly felt doubts about this HF wagon, and if I start townreading HF I'm going to move my vote off him. It really gets my goat if these poeple voting side votes aren't around at the end of the day though. Even if you TR both of us, presumably there's one you think is more town than the other...
You don’t understand. Either you or holyflare is getting lynched today at this point, there’s nothing else strong enough. everyone town needs to lynch who they think is the least town or most mafia between the two of you. Lynches are the town’s power but if there is a significant amount of people off wagon then it becomes the mafia power because they have the numbers to manipulate it their favor.
Very adamant about shutting down any other possibilities:
Not voting (4): Damdred, Chezinu, ExO_, darthfoley
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Any town people who aren’t on either BH or Holyflare are actively playing against their wincon btw?
Not to say anything that would discourage people from voting HF (and thus saving me, who I know to be town) - but presumably some people strongly TR both me and HF. I'm sure there's scum in the 10 people not on either wagon, of course, but I could see someone having a reasonable reason here. I've certainly felt doubts about this HF wagon, and if I start townreading HF I'm going to move my vote off him. It really gets my goat if these poeple voting side votes aren't around at the end of the day though. Even if you TR both of us, presumably there's one you think is more town than the other...
You don’t understand. Either you or holyflare is getting lynched today at this point, there’s nothing else strong enough. everyone town needs to lynch who they think is the least town or most mafia between the two of you. Lynches are the town’s power but if there is a significant amount of people off wagon then it becomes the mafia power because they have the numbers to manipulate it their favor.
@Acro
See, Oats gets it xD
Though tbf if I strongly felt someone was scum I'd push it. Rels being so pissed off at me (I do not accept this is always a town role as an argument when it's demonstrably not) makes me less inclined to push that.
Nah, this just means mafia will pile onto one of the wagons instead of hiding elsewhere as we just defined a rule: if you're off-wagon, you're scum. So scum hides by being on the wagon. If they're both scum, they bus (as there literally isn't another option). If one is town and the other scum, they try to avoid bussing. And if both are town they just lurk and comply.
There is no point in forcing consolidation in a plurality lynch.
Actually that’s not the point. The point is to get all the town people either voting for hf or blazing hand, preferably hf.
Day 4, there are 2 wagons. You could call Onegu a 3rd, but MZ was never getting off the ground, and everybody was hopping off it. Except Oats:
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The take-away message isn't that Oats is a hypocrit, it's that Oats doesn't actually care about where his vote ends up, as long as he looks good for it. Making "town rules" to vote on one of the two wagons is a great way to get a townie lynched and then have zero actual accountability. If he believed that consolidating on the wagon was essential for town to "exercise" their right to vote, he should be more invested in where he votes on other days as well. He really isn't. Anyway, he discussed this with Grack, and claims afk. Take it any way you like. I personally question an Oats who is so adamant about being a conscientious voter that goes afk with his vote parked on a wagon that was going nowhere.
3. Lots of posts, not much content. Yesterday, I highlighted this post:
On March 03 2019 08:38 Oatsmaster wrote: Also hf, so either you are town and you play serious so my read is wrong.
Or you are town and you dont play serious so my read is right in the sense that if you were serious you are mafia. But just that my judgement of your posts is wrong.
It cant be both at the same time like you are trying to portray it here.
It's your read that I'm too serious but over 50% of my filter at that point was not serious. Those posts you've quoted are also just reads. In what previous game of mine have I not given reads and instead have just done this amazing nothingness and fun you're trying to portray me as doing as town?
So the green part is that you are saying that you arent playing seriously this game in your opinion.
The bolded green part is that you are saying that you do play serious as town.
SOOOOOO ARE YOU TOWN THIS GAME HF??
But there's plenty more in his filter, where he is sorta pressuring, sorta coaching and sorta just being a dick without actually going anywhere with it. He's happy to blow along with where the wind blows.
Looks to me like his posting style is exactly the same as this game. That's not to say that his posting style makes him scum, just that it doesn't make him town. I make no pretense at being able to meta-read Oats. I just claim he's scum for in-game reasons.
The first point is extremely null because 1)Its literally one post where I make no effort to push a read or ANYTHING onto BC. Why the heck wont I post better if hes my teammate? The logical reason is that there are 35 people in this game and its tough to keep track of all the scummers especially when they dont talk to me. If im scum, obviously I dont do that because it looks super terrible.
The second one is extremely stupid because 1) HF and Blazinghand were far and away the vote leaders, to the point where any other lynch needed like 10 people to switch. MZ was close to where 3 people from tube and one from Onegu wouldve lynched MZ. In the end, Chez got lynched who ONLY HAD 1 MORE VOTE THAN MZ AT THE TIME I LEFT THE THREAD. What kind of nonsense are you trying to push acro?
On March 15 2019 22:54 Mocsta wrote: Thats good enough for me I would rather we consolidate on a lynch early Im a bit concerned how little ppl have posted since deadline
which is interesting, okay so Mocsta is either fakeclaiming parity cop and has no idea how to play it properly or he decided to out his role but not confirm any townies.
I think the first one is far more likely than the second one because who wont full claim their role unless they arent sure how the role works or they have something to hide
On March 15 2019 19:29 Mocsta wrote: This is so fucked
Day 1. = hf and palmar ego jerking Day2 = hf / acro ego jerking Day 3 = rayn ego Day 4 = onegu jerking off in thread
Day 5 = acro wants to be a fuckn hero when its all on the line Fucks sake What a waste of 2 weeks
Seriously Yelling lynch XYZ is not going to sway shit StOP IT
Also this post is absurdly sketchy, Acro's post during the night is pretty much the same as his post right after this one from Mocsta but somehow that changes his mind from "hero" to OH YES LYNCH OATS OVER MY "RED" CHECK
Grackaroni found him acting weird with Wiggles too. I kinda agree, but don't know what to make of it. Lets flip Oats first. If this is Oats just being weird with Wiggles, then we decide that. If this is Oats being weird with another one of his scumbuddies, then we got two. It's very possible, but I don't feel like casing Wiggles just to catch Oats. We case Oats to catch Oats.
Alright lets talk about this point. So if im acting the same way with Wriggles and BC, which in my mind when I look back at Day 1 which was like 9 days ago, I am, and one of them is town and one of them is mafia, then the way I am acting isnt alignment indicative correct?
So if Acro true believes that my interaction with BC makes me mafia, he should also believe that my interaction with Wriggles makes me mafia. But he doesnt. So he isnt willing to actually double down on his read.
So a similar point was the thing I brought up really early in the game about how Scum dont vote for themselves as mayor. As soon as rsoul flipped and that was disproved, I didnt try to push that point again because clearly that wasnt an indicator of mafia.
On March 15 2019 22:54 Mocsta wrote: Thats good enough for me I would rather we consolidate on a lynch early Im a bit concerned how little ppl have posted since deadline
Lol pandain prob assumes he is dead
##unvote Vote: oatsmaster
Good shit acro Night
YOU DONT HAVE A RED CHECK DO YOU MOCSTA
Lol obviously not. I just don't understand his gameplan right now if he were mafia so he must be town.
Mafia fake claiming would go all in
nah not really when its clear nobody believes them anyway
Grackaroni found him acting weird with Wiggles too. I kinda agree, but don't know what to make of it. Lets flip Oats first. If this is Oats just being weird with Wiggles, then we decide that. If this is Oats being weird with another one of his scumbuddies, then we got two. It's very possible, but I don't feel like casing Wiggles just to catch Oats. We case Oats to catch Oats.
Alright lets talk about this point. So if im acting the same way with Wriggles and BC, which in my mind when I look back at Day 1 which was like 9 days ago, I am, and one of them is town and one of them is mafia, then the way I am acting isnt alignment indicative correct?
So if Acro true believes that my interaction with BC makes me mafia, he should also believe that my interaction with Wriggles makes me mafia. But he doesnt. So he isnt willing to actually double down on his read.
So a similar point was the thing I brought up really early in the game about how Scum dont vote for themselves as mayor. As soon as rsoul flipped and that was disproved, I didnt try to push that point again because clearly that wasnt an indicator of mafia.
So basically, this case is extremely stupid
Mainly I don't want to call Wiggles scum because I haven't cased him. He may very well be scum. And you flipping scum makes it more likely that he is too. But I'm not gonna do associative reads on you and Oats without a flip on one of you.
So
1) I don't think you're behaving as weirdly with wiggles as Grack does. As you can see, if you start reading your filter from the top, I read over the wiggles bits and tripped over the BC post...
2) If you *do* think you're behaving as weirdly with wiggles as you are with BC, it's definitely going to be scrutinized after you flip red, so don't worry that you aren't incriminating your associates enough...
On March 16 2019 01:28 Oatsmaster wrote: The first point is extremely null because 1)Its literally one post where I make no effort to push a read or ANYTHING onto BC. Why the heck wont I post better if hes my teammate? The logical reason is that there are 35 people in this game and its tough to keep track of all the scummers especially when they dont talk to me. If im scum, obviously I dont do that because it looks super terrible.
This just piles on the evidence. The whole point isn't that you are posting badly. It's that you're posting differently. You're being super self-conscious about the fact that he's in your team and it's reflecting in your posting. As a townie, you don't know who's in your team, and that early in the game you don't even know who's scum, so you treat everybody the same. As scum, you know who else is scum, and you treat them differently (at least, in this case, one of them).
As scum you do that because you aren't even aware you are doing it. That's the whole point here. If you were aware you were doing it, you probably wouldn't do it, no. I agree.
Well you are saying that its a slamdunk case based on that one point. WHICH IS SOMETHING I did with someone else, so doesnt that also make him highly highly mafia?
Also, why do I only interact like that with one of my mafia team and not all of my mafia team? This read literally does not make sense Acro
As scum you do that because you aren't even aware you are doing it. That's the whole point here. If you were aware you were doing it, you probably wouldn't do it, no. I agree.
As scum, the alignment that cares more about how they say stuff rather than what they say, I totally am unaware that my interaction with BC is terrible and looks totally like teammates trying to interact. Yeah sure Acro. This is where it breaks down. I mean it breaks down in every part but like this part, the engine isnt even in the train Acro, Cmon.
Actually i have the growing feeling that wriggles is mafia which makes me look terrible but whateve, I’m gonna need a computer to check though but like with his talkshow thing, he’s basically avoided pushing anything or taking any hard stances I believe
On March 16 2019 06:10 Tubesock wrote: Oatsmaster, I don’t understand why you didn’t kill me since you’ve been scum reading me near as long as MZ. And I can’t really tell why you apparently want him dead over me as I’m in your filter about as much.
On March 15 2019 07:48 Oatsmaster wrote: Mz/Tube /vivax/slam/exo No more wiggles
What do you mean no more Wiggles?
Meant that I thought he was town, I’m flipping back on that now Mz has been tremendously uninvolved, jumped on wagons for fun it seems like and he just looks like he’s cruising this game You are very friendly and that’s hard to lynch tube, one reason is that I said scum will make a case on me yesterday and you did so I called you scum.
On March 16 2019 05:53 Pandain wrote: @Acro maybe Oats is scum, but one post where he is oddly polite with BC is nowhere near good enough for me to vote him today, which is what started your campaign with him.
And re: Mocsta it makes me doubt he's scum, certainly if Mocsta flips red.
Mocsta's claim is clearly bullshit, but you think scum!mocsta would botch a cop fakeclaim just to get a lunch at lylo when absolutely everybody was townreading him? Why?
If you think that's the case, it'd have to be because we were going to lynch scum today and they are getting impatient (for no apparent reason) and want to win NOW. At night we were talking about onegu, tube and DF, with oats taking over later when Grack and I talked about him a bit.
Mostly we thought tube was not really scummy because it did not look like scum was protecting him. Onegu claimed 3p and it's fairly believable. If we lunch 3p we lose.
That leaves DF and oats. So if you think mocsta is fakeclaiming to get DF lynched and win the game for scum, then we shouldn't lynch DF.
That leaves Oats. So join me in lynching Oats.
Of course, I'm not actually on board with this. I want to know what Mocsta's plan was with all of this. He might be the scum hiding in my town circle. Or he might just be slightly crazy. That is my current theory, btw.
On March 15 2019 11:56 Mr. Wiggles wrote: In recent news, suspected mafia accomplice Onegu has claimed the role of 3rd Party Survivor. Your host is pleased that their read of 'not-town' turned out correct. However, there still remains the matter of determining the absolute truth in this case.
We are not sure that it made sense for Onegu to claim 3rd party at night. There's no threat of lynch at that point, and it is doubtful scum would shoot them given the general suspicion surrounding their business in the town. So, what's the point of the claim at that time? Is it because the claim had been previously planned by scum and they were nervous in wanting to post after the lynch? Time will tell. This is yet another point added to a growing pile of inconsistencies surrounding Onegu's claimed allegiance.
Now, if our listeners would indulge us as we take a trip down a line of inquiry smelling of fine wine, we can theorise as to the possible scum motivations of Onegu's claim.
From the reads stated in calls to the show, Onegu was widely regarded as being a good lynch candidate and a likely member of Liquidia's most notorious crime family. Without a doubt, the pressure would have been on today. So, claiming 3rd party at this point allows Onegu to take himself out of the pool of suspects and buy more time. Given that town is likely on the brink of failure and needs to lynch correctly several times in a row (see professor Acrofales' excellent analysis) this provides benefit to scum since town will now be looking into their weaker reads, where the chance of mislynch is higher. Given that town's reads are likely to become more accurate over time, this gives a higher chance of success for scum than if we had simply proceeded with the Onegu lynch directly.
With this being said, we are still evaluating how to handle Onegu. He is surely not a member of our town, but is he a threat? After the events of last night, we may have a sure lock on another scum candidate, so this question can probably be put on the back burner for now.
We think it may be in our best interest to lynch him if we find ourselves in muddy waters in the next few cycles, but we can likely leave him be for today.
he doesnt really entertain the idea that Onegu is mafia fakeclaiming 3p seriously, instead wanting to take the claim at face value but like he isnt suspicious at all. Instead, its a really long part of fluff that basically says "meh hes probably survivor for no reason and I dont want to lynch him today" scummy
On March 15 2019 12:02 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Suspected criminal mastermind Oatsmaster calls in with the following question:
On March 15 2019 11:31 LightningStrike wrote: Moscta it does matter only because if it's a red check we just lynch them today and if they not well you get the picture but I assuming a red check because you going to just park your vote there. ##Vote: Darthfoley
Lol he didn't vote me because he redchecked me. He didn't even check me. He's voted me because I haven't given a shit about this game and been wrong one more time than he has (I wasn't on the Sent wagon). Lynching me in LYLO for silly reasons would however, cap off this shit show of a town
Why is it lylo?
We would direct their attention to the two recent journal articles published by esteemed citizen Professor Acrofales in the Liquidia Journal of Criminology:
On March 14 2019 17:54 Acrofales wrote: Tomorrow there's going to be 15 ppl alive if the KP stays the same. Pretty sure if you don't lynch scum, it's over:
Formula 1: #scum/2 rounded up (traitor doesn't count) 10 town vs 5 scum Lynch scum, kill 2 town: 8v4 Lynch scum, kill 2 town: 6v3 Lynch scum, kill 1 town: 5v2 Breathing space: town bought themselves a final mislynch.
If you lynch town: Lynch town, kill 3 town: 6v5 Lynch scum, kill 2 town: 4v4 and it's over.
So HAVE TO kill 3 scum in a row.
Formula 2: flat 3 KP, unknown number of mafia: 15-X vs X Lynch scum, kill 3 town: 12 - X vs X - 1. Lynch scum, kill 3 town: 9 - X vs X - 2. Lynch scum, kill 3 town: 6 - X vs X - 3. Lunch scum, kill 3 town??? 3- X vs X - 4.
This obviously cannot continue and the last scum must be dead here, so X <= 4 in this scenario. X < 4 would make the scumread too small for the game, IMHO. So balance says that scum should be exactly 4 here, and to win, town needs to kill all scum in a row, starting now.
So what I'll do tonight is give you a list of the 4 scummiest shits and you lynch them in order. If KP stays 3, then you are in the bottom scenario and every day is lylo. If you're in the top scenario, you can take a brief breath after killing the three scummers.
Obviously I'm expecting to be dead tomorrow, but maybe there's a backup medic. Who knows.
On March 15 2019 03:41 Acrofales wrote: Time for setup speculation part 2, now with 3p!
I looked over onegu's filter and most of my reasons for scumreading him is his utter disinterest in finding scum. That is totally explainable as 3p. However, it's also totally explainable as scum. So here goes:
If onegu is scum, see my previous post, and you just gotta kill him.
If onegu is a survivor: Formula 1, nothing changes, except that instead of it being 5v2 after lynching 3 scum, its 4v2v1. Imho, always lynch onegu at this point, unless you caught a 4th scummer redhanded doing scummy-as-fuck stuff. Otherwise, you can't distinguish between 5v2 and 4v2v1, and lynching town in the 4v2v1 situation means town loses. Lynching the claimed 3p is a "safe play". He is definitely not town, as town doesn't claim 3p unless they want to lose the game, and he might just be scum trying to escape. Note that it isn't safe to lynch onegu the 3p *before* you get down to the single NK in this formula.
Formula 2: Without a medic, we have already lost: 14-X vs X vs 1 11-X vs X - 1 vs 1 8-X vs X - 2 vs 1 5 - X vs X - 3 vs 1 If X = 4 this is endgame. So either FF blows up a scummer with a bomb (meaning scum are a bunch of fricking idiots) or we still have a medic floating about.
In either case, if we get the medic save, it is never safe to lynch onegu the 3p. It is always necessary to lynch onegu the scum. At some point town is gonna have to decide what onegu is.
Onegu the SK.
This scenario just seems really really unlikely. Non-compulsive SKs are such a broken role that I don't think we got one. Which means that *either* the SK stacked KP 3 times, for which we only have circumstantial evidence on N1, or the scumteam has only 2 KP.
Neither of these scenarios seems likely at all. So I'd rule out this scenario. Moreover, I actually checked the OP, and it says:
The town's win condition:
The town wins when all mafia are eliminated.
This seems pretty clearcut. There is no malevolent 3p in the game, or this wincon wouldn't work. So onegu is not an SK.
Your hosts at the Dead Zone Show tend to agree with this analysis, and at least the general sentiment that we must try our hardest to lynch into scum. There should be no more talk of throw-away lynches to thin lurkers or bad players at this point.
waste of time post
On March 15 2019 12:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Ever-faithful listener and #1 Dead Zone Show fan LightningStrike calls in with the following question:
On March 15 2019 11:40 LightningStrike wrote: Dear Faithful host: What you make of Moscta's claim and actions from today? Sincerely, LS
We're still trying to wrap our heads around the claim. We agree on the general scumminess of darthfoley and will be voting there as we figure out the rest of the day. We'll be interested in seeing any letter addressed from Professor Acrofales regarding the target of today's lynch. During the night cycle he argued strongly that we need to lynch Oatsmaster, and we'd like to see some more reasoning for that target compared to df.
Now for the claim itself, we're not sure whether we believe it. There was some weirdness, a so-called 'ploy', around last night's check. Similarly, the timing of the claim was odd. Why post a claim with almost the full night ahead so that scum can decide whether to shoot you? mocsta was around for just before the flips, so that would have been the more logical time for the claim to come out.
The scum motivation for this would be if we're in a do or die situation like the Professor pointed out, and df is town. This would cement a scum victory if we followed the claimed check blindly.
On the other hand, we have been reading mocsta as town, and historically they have acted quite compulsively. From that perspective, your hosts are pondering whether a town mocsta would try to fake claim to ensure they got the lynch they wanted. We haven't followed their past career closely enough to know if this is something they would do, but it does seem possible.
The alternative is that we're over-thinking this and mocsta really does moonlight as a private eye, but overall the claim needs to be clarified since something smells off to us here at the show.
okay so this post, right before this wriggles seems to "know" that df is mafia with a lot of confidence
On March 15 2019 12:03 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Though, on reflection, is that a slip from our red friend DarthFoley?
right so like its a joke but that comes from no question at all that he thinks DF is mafia because of the red check from mocsta In the post analyzing mocsta, he states that the claim is off but he doesnt commit to a read on mocsta because of that and that seems to me like a lot of hedging kinda seeing where the town read him and then commit to that read. Like he basically says "shrug, i dunno its weird, dont look at me i dont know". Again, another post that looks good but says absolutely nothing.
Im just gonna stop here for now, but throughout his filter, theres a lack of like interest to actually get the people he thinks is scum lynched. He kinda waffles a bit, plays a bit of mentor advice role but legitimately just hides in the shadows. His show is just a way to fluff up his posts, and if you notice, for the most part he doesnt actually progress anything in his show. Its basically him answering some questions and peacing out. So he is putting his opinion in the thread but not actually using it for any reason whatsoever to look townie.
this is interesting that hes kinda justifying HF dying before actually shooting him from both HF being town and HF being scum to kinda show how it made sense for him to shoot.
On March 16 2019 17:18 Fecalfeast wrote: man so many people are mafia it seems like
I DONT KNOW FF ARE THEY?
IDK but now that I've looked at the vote thread your wagon is super scummy lol
Explain this. Other than onegu, who is just sheeping ppl to appear as if he's helping town, who is scummy on Oats's wagon?
Like... Oats brought this up too, but it's currently Onegu and a bunch of town reads to me ...
you are scum because you're alive day 5 after everyone just accepting your claim and accepting you as town. rayn was killed when he was being useless by tunneling on you
mocsta is like fake cop claim in maybe lylo for funzies? lol ok I guess he's tryhard scum
jockmcplop is in this game? Still managed to try and vote a controversial player who is the current wagon
1gu idk he's scum too
wtf is this shit
pull ya head out
you town read me 12 hrs ago
you watched my video??? You know why i claimed. I did the video so you could have a better feel if you think im bullshitting or not
why does this math apply to acro, and not pandain about being alive.
You're the one with the worst claim in the game, so fuck off with us having to justify ourselves to you. Its actually the other way around, shit show.
I have never and will never watch a video made by a player or honestly just posted at all. It's a text game I don't have time for your video
thats a fair call
i was actually considering doing video for rest of game, mainly a nice way to reminisce the final moments before the heart stops beating.
but i accept your point of view.
the tl;dr is that i claimed aiming to get some reactions. unfortunately everyone disappeared after the lynch so I was left with a pile of turd, and no one to develop it with.
does aiming mean something else to you? because I dont think its a weird
On March 16 2019 17:41 Tubesock wrote: I’m not supporting an Onegu lynch today, primarily because I think Acrofales’ math seemed ok and it doesn’t help us killing a survivor.
I will be on a Wiggles or Pandain.
I’m waffling a lot on Oats.
I'll read Wiggles' filter ignoring the fun that he's having with the radio show and see what I find. You guys have a good point about the constructed case on HF, but I don't feel at all confident calling him scum. Town make dumb cases as well to sort out their thinking. Hell, I do that. Look at that Lamp is null case I wrote, lol. I should probably have done that in a notepad or something, but I promised I'd read Lamp, so I just dumped all my findings in the thread.
I can totally see a dayvig agonizing over whether to shoot HF or not and dumping all his thoughts in the thread in the hope of getting some feedback. And then when crunch time comes, he pulls the trigger with his gut.
And it was a good shot. I'll reread pandain, but the case on sentinel was good, and he doesn't get town credit for lynching the traitor, but he gets town credit for doing the legwork to push the lynch off a townie. Even if scum probably thought it was onto another townie.
CMON ACRO PULL YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS AND JUST SEE THAT IM TOWN
On March 16 2019 18:22 Acrofales wrote: Btw, I did like the point about AMG replacing out from playing a town dayvig. He knew the size of the thread when he replaced in, so it seems a bit weird. But I did understand it. Replacing in is always tricky and I kept up with most of the thread, but was still overwhelmed by the quantity of new posts every time I opened it.
Hard to call someone scum for getting overwhelmed, even if they have one of the coolest roles in the game.
What did AMG say about HF? Because honestly, I would 100% have shot HF in the face at daybreak on D2...
My to-do list:
Get a haircut Buy shoes Filter wiggles Filter pandain+AMG Kill Oats
On March 09 2019 06:53 rsoultin wrote: Lol >< yay for reads lists! \o/
LightningStrike Vivax Holyflare Acrofales
Raynpelikoneet Mocsta Wave of Shadow Grackaroni
sicklucker Oatsmaster - impression reads aren't advancing but not sure this will hold up after the filter dive I didn't do tictock
Damdred
Chezinu Alakaslam - not happy + what now he has to think cause he thought I had no scumreads? Mr. Wiggles
Ace ExO_
Bloodycobbler Darthfoley
Null-reads Onegu - no shiny hipster reads (scum) vs. so uncaring (town) Fecalfeast - seems to have lost interest Rels - pissed at me man -_-
Dunno - would need to look at them closer Tumblewood Jockmcplop [UoN]Sentinel tubesock Pandain replaced by AMG Meapak_Ziphh
*Anything that's changed I think I've added a comment to?
Out for the night. We've got an early morning tomorrow.
On March 09 2019 08:59 Oatsmaster wrote: Darthfoley is actually the worst scumread I’ve seen ever what
I dunno if acro found this. but i think its an important post
I saw it. I thought it was a pretty bizarre defense of someone he hadn't mentioned before in the whole game.
I think I wrote that in one of my many posts about Oats.
What did you think was important about it?
Why would I mention him if no one is scumreading him and he’s my townread?!?
I've been thinking back to N2, and at that time DF was a nullish townread for me. I had some reasons down to town him, but his inactivity and the fact that nobody mentioned him at all was starting to worry me.
Going over dead townies filter, that idea is confirmed. HF had him down as "someone he should read" and mentioned that either ExO or DF was scum (although I don't really follow why). Rayn wanted AMG's thoughts on him and didn't really have any of his own. WoS same story.
Rsoultin scummed him, mainly for continuously forgetting he was in the game.
Yet you had him as a hard town read. So hard that your only response to rsoul's list is to chainsaw defend him. Without mentioning him at all before ever in your filter. In fact, you seem very suspicious of absolutely everybody in the game. Except Lamp, DF and Wiggles. It is just so incongruent that you chainsaw defend DF here.
On March 09 2019 01:52 Oatsmaster wrote: my scumlist: sl rsoul grack ace tube slam
Why jump down her throat over one of her scumreads, which should at BEST be a slightly green null to you at this point. It just... doesn't add up. You aren't trying to read the game and find scum. You are simply attacking people who disagree with your pre-ordained list, which had rsoul as scum and DF as town (the latter made up on the spot for no apparent reason. Your rsoul scumread at least has some stuff in it).
Of course, you do jump down peoples' throats for having scumreads on your townreads. There was the whole WEIRD tubesock <> wiggles thing that you poked your nose into.
I am simply going to quote my earlier post on it, but here I ignored Oats as I was focusing on TS vs Wiggles. But TS brought up a good point, which we will go into afterwards: + Show Spoiler [long post detailing TS vs Wiggles] +
On March 08 2019 21:47 Acrofales wrote: Hmmm, I think I'm starting to figure it out on my own, I'm just reaching a different conclusion.
Sorry for being a bit dense, but this is actually a super-interesting exchange that got totally snowed under in the HF-BH house of horror.
On March 07 2019 12:54 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Our dedicated fan Oatsmaster also writes in:
On March 07 2019 02:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 06 2019 21:47 Tubesock wrote: Wiggles is funny to me. I feel like I can just take his case on me, and find/replace his name for mine and submit it with equal fervor. Plus we voted on both wagons so we can’t be too far off.
This should make wriggles town to him right because he does the exact same things as wriggles
This is a funny point that was missed on my first read through. If Tubesock thinks my play looks the same as what I've been pointing out in his, then he should probably read me similarly to his own alignment. If he thinks that makes me look like mafia, that's probably that scum guilt eating him up inside. Oats didn't let that slip slip his attention. Bravo!
I'm trying to sort out this tangled up mess too. It just seems disingenuous to say this, but I can't quite put my finger on why.
Let me try rewording it, and Oats, TS and Wiggles correct me if this is what they thought:
On March 06 2019 11:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Tubesock fell off the face of the earth. Still scum though.
Got to pressure vote trfel near the start of the day and park the vote because the rest of us ran with a case. No posting into D2 means no pressure from the lynch fallout. Pushed the Palmar is scum thing early without needing to commit hard on it or later comment on HF's announcement of a Palmar lynch.
We've only gotten two reads out of TS on trfel and conversion and they've both flipped now. Besides that we have zero information on where their head's at, scum-hunting wise. Lurking without offering anything to town.
TS responds to this case saying that it doesn't feel right that Wiggles reads him as scum for this, as Wiggles has done exactly the same. Therefore if Wiggles is *town* he should realize that TS and he had the same behaviour and is therefore also town.
I don't actually see TS drawing conclusions from it, just saying that it's a bullshit case, at this point.
Oats chips in and says that it's weird, because if TS is town, and knows that the behaviour in the bullshit case comes from a townie, then he must see Wiggles as a townie.
I'm not sure I agree with that, because there is a major difference in their behaviour now:
Wiggles thinks tubesock's behaviour for which he was cased was scummy. Tubesock just thinks that Wiggles exhibited the same behaviour, not that the behaviour is scummy.
So if TS scumreads Wiggles, it isn't for the behaviour itself (which he thinks he shares), but rather for the hipocrisy of finding that behaviour scummy. But I do see where Oats is coming from. He just read too much into it. My real issue is the follow-up from Wiggles that I quoted at the top:
At this point we have Wiggles scumming TS for behaviour that TS says was the same as his own, and we don't have TS scumming Wiggles, just pointing out the hipocrisy. Wiggles tunnels in on it and says "well, if you see this as scummy then you must be scum yourself". This just seems super disingenuous and Wiggles isn't really trying to figure out whether TS is scum or town, just paint him red and call it a day.
On March 08 2019 12:55 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Our next letter is quite unpleasant. The contents of if describe various threats of death and bodily harm to your host in graphic detail, and the letter also looks to be smeared with what appears to be excrement.
Though the signature is partially obscured by said foul substance, we can make out some of the letters: A--of-l-s.
Now, we have a suspicion of who this misguided individual could be, and so we'll be addressing this hate-mail.
On March 08 2019 05:48 Vivax wrote: Looks like Ill have to vote BH then to ensure this isnt another fuckup day.
Just look at wiggles first, please?
His posts where he talks to TS seem good to me. TS was like "If Im mayor, ill sheep HF", effectively avoiding to give out an opinion on anyone. WIggles picked up on that.
Third post he calls out like 3 or 4 dudes (you, sent, conversion) for not sticking their neck out, effectively sticking out his own.
Idk, just doesnt seem mafia to me. Also, he most likely was the first to catch TS, so kudos to him.
I can do any other player I have listed in my final list. And BH is the next one in it.
Ok. You're right. The interaction with TS is actually okay :/
But it's from this point onward that I just read mehhhh:
On March 04 2019 14:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote: What do you think of the Acro case Oats?
I've been going back re-reading his posts and the case on him, but I'm having trouble making up my mind. I'll probably sleep on it and re-read again in the morning.
"please tell me what to think, I'll get back" (never did)
On March 05 2019 05:44 Ace wrote: Blazinghand don't get yourself lynched for bs. If you're town you just waste a day as there's no real discussion being generated regarding you, and it's an easy wagon for Scum to hop on.
Thank you! Felt like I was yelling into the wind
Claims he was advocating for BH being town (although I have no idea how Ace got there either), when he was advocating for a mayor to shiv BH rather than lynching him:
On March 05 2019 04:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote: What's with the BH train? If you want to kill a hardcore lurker like that why not use the mayor lynch? I don't see the benefit
On March 05 2019 12:23 WaveofShadow wrote: Anyway, as much as tooting my own horn is super fun (man I was a goddamn all-star scum player---I think my winrate might have been better than HFs)---
I want to make this clear before I post a little on rsoul We are lynching ONLY HF OR BH tomorrow. The game can't proceed properly until that's done. Of those two, I'd rather HF die. Not sure if for personal/fun reasons or not, but whateva. I will not be pushing anyone else actively.
I'll be interested to see what you say about rsoul. Don't read her that way and would rather she doesn't catch a bullet.
Hopefully someone takes care of BH tonight. I get that HF needs to flip too. =/
"Please tell me what to think" take 2.
Nothing he did in D1 was to take solid stances. The very start of the game he was pressuring TS a bit, but dropped it when he got no support and it kinda just faded.
On March 05 2019 12:34 Mr. Wiggles wrote: As much as I didn't like Conversion, Marv seems cool so far.
Not only is this a lie (he scummed trfel over conversion), but marv came in looking pretty townie. If wiggles is scum this is such a safe play! Gain easy town credit when later in the night you shank him. So fucking simple (and btw, I've done this).
On March 05 2019 14:50 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Rayn, is your read on Acro still the same? You had him pegged as scum earlier.
I don't see it after the second half of the day and the reaction to the Palmar lynch. He's helping move the game forward in a useful way now, even if he's wrong about some things (like me)
"Please tell me what to think" take 3.
Then there's a lot of just generally just looking like he's saying stuff without actually saying stuff.
I mean. Do I have a sure read on Wiggles? No. Not really. He could just be a town that's really struggling with the length of the game. But I'm more confident that he's scum than I am that BH is. And for the rest I'm sure Palmar had a damned good reason to suddenly spam the thread with Wiggles is Mafia. He didn't do that with Sentinel, BC or HF. He read Wiggles filter and you can see the alarm bells go off in his head. He never really said why. But it's blendy shit and reads like a blendy mafia.
I have played a scumgame with Wiggles a looooong time ago, and remember bussing him at some point for being all blendy and lurky and stuff. Same as this play. But not sure I ever played with town Wiggles, so meta case is not a good case here.
Now this individual claims several times that your host is asking callers to tell him what to think about some of our other citizens, rather than making up his own mind. We can say that this is a patently false statement.
After our first interaction asking about esteemed citizen Acrofales (no relation to A--of-l-s, we hope), we made up our minds that we consider him to be of a green persuasion. See our lack of joining the mob looking to do him violence on Day 1. We later press Rayn (who we are suspicious of!) about their read of Acrofales (who again, we think is town). The case put forward by Rayn appears to be a bunch of hooey from our perspective, so we want to see if he'll double-down on it, which they have more than done throughout the night and this day cycle, even going so far as to avoid the other wagons.
rsoultin was another of our town reads, so any cases put forth to attempt to undermine or sway opinion to the contrary were of interest to us. This was especially important, because cases made and pushed throughout the night could persuade the vigilante element of our society to take things into their own hands. Many of our players are a little buck-wild, to put things lightly, so it was a valid concern.
Lastly, regarding our dearly departed suicidal team mate BH, we did not want to see a large wagon on him on D1. We felt that the wagons and votes of the day would provide information that would be useful, and that this would be subverted by having the entire town jump on a martyr who we could instead let the mayor take care of. We did not once claim a town read on BH, but have leaned null (early) to scum (recently). Regardless of BH's alignment the Day 1 wagon was very easy for scum to hop onto if they so desired without needing to put forward any contribution.
I really do like the flavour you're putting into these posts
I'm also starting to see some glimmers of town in you more recently, but your play still feels very off. I still agree with rsoul. It's very peanut gallery. You seem more invested than FF at least. But some things just don't add up. The tunnel on tubesock that nobody is paying any attention to is just so... easy.
Also the reasoning around hopping on the trfel wagon feels like feigned interest.
You can literally just go where the wind blows. There's some light pressure, a bit of a tunnel, and a lot of blehhhhhh. Enough to look interested, but not enough to actually contribute.
Conclusion: still Wiggles
Tubesock's analysis of Oats jumping into the middle here:
On March 08 2019 04:10 Oatsmaster wrote: Mafia boi
If wriggles does the same thing as you in that his case on you can be applied to him, and you are town, doesn’t that mean he’s also town? How does it mean he’s mafia
I never scumread him. So, it’s hilarious you are saying I’m scum for this, but apparently Wiggles is somehow town for doing exactly that. Take a look at my two posts:
On March 06 2019 18:52 Tubesock wrote: Wiggles, you’ve been scumming me since before I even scummed Trfel. Yet you’ve never voted me. Why not? You seem pretty convinced, you have some others who agree. Think about what you say because I’m going to have great satisfaction copy and pasting things from your case on me in my defense.
Then
On March 06 2019 21:47 Tubesock wrote: Wiggles is funny to me. I feel like I can just take his case on me, and find/replace his name for mine and submit it with equal fervor. Plus we voted on both wagons so we can’t be too far off.
Why do you think i wrote the big and bold?? It’s a fucking trap and you fell right into it.
Oatsmaster didn’t bother to read anything more than the single post and looking for “reads” at the shallowest of levels. You went straight to Tube is mafia because of this “slip” you found. Yet you had no idea it was a trap and you fell into it!!!
This action on your part is representative of your entire game. You are mafia.
On March 08 2019 04:10 Oatsmaster wrote: Mafia boi
If wriggles does the same thing as you in that his case on you can be applied to him, and you are town, doesn’t that mean he’s also town? How does it mean he’s mafia
I never scumread him. So, it’s hilarious you are saying I’m scum for this, but apparently Wiggles is somehow town for doing exactly that. Take a look at my two posts:
On March 06 2019 18:52 Tubesock wrote: Wiggles, you’ve been scumming me since before I even scummed Trfel. Yet you’ve never voted me. Why not? You seem pretty convinced, you have some others who agree. Think about what you say because I’m going to have great satisfaction copy and pasting things from your case on me in my defense.
Then
On March 06 2019 21:47 Tubesock wrote: Wiggles is funny to me. I feel like I can just take his case on me, and find/replace his name for mine and submit it with equal fervor. Plus we voted on both wagons so we can’t be too far off.
Why do you think i wrote the big and bold?? It’s a fucking trap and you fell right into it.
Oatsmaster didn’t bother to read anything more than the single post and looking for “reads” at the shallowest of levels. You went straight to Tube is mafia because of this “slip” you found. Yet you had no idea it was a trap and you fell into it!!!
This action on your part is representative of your entire game. You are mafia.
I see that you and I have different definitions of funny then, whatever.
I’m wrong about that, carry on
He is scumming TS, right? Now TS just omgus'd him. Instead of pushing, he backs down. Hard:
On March 08 2019 04:10 Oatsmaster wrote: Mafia boi
If wriggles does the same thing as you in that his case on you can be applied to him, and you are town, doesn’t that mean he’s also town? How does it mean he’s mafia
I never scumread him. So, it’s hilarious you are saying I’m scum for this, but apparently Wiggles is somehow town for doing exactly that. Take a look at my two posts:
On March 06 2019 18:52 Tubesock wrote: Wiggles, you’ve been scumming me since before I even scummed Trfel. Yet you’ve never voted me. Why not? You seem pretty convinced, you have some others who agree. Think about what you say because I’m going to have great satisfaction copy and pasting things from your case on me in my defense.
Then
On March 06 2019 21:47 Tubesock wrote: Wiggles is funny to me. I feel like I can just take his case on me, and find/replace his name for mine and submit it with equal fervor. Plus we voted on both wagons so we can’t be too far off.
Why do you think i wrote the big and bold?? It’s a fucking trap and you fell right into it.
Oatsmaster didn’t bother to read anything more than the single post and looking for “reads” at the shallowest of levels. You went straight to Tube is mafia because of this “slip” you found. Yet you had no idea it was a trap and you fell into it!!!
This action on your part is representative of your entire game. You are mafia.
Explain this trap like I'm 5 because I don't get it.
I think it’s the part where he implied that he thought wiggles was scum but he never actually thought he was scum and I thought that he thought that wriggles was scum so I got caught oh noo
Now think of a town Oats. Does town!Oats who is scumming TS suddenly think that the guy he just caught for being mafia "laid a trap" and he, town!Oats, fell for it, and is now being scummed himself? Or did the situation just get too hot to handle for scum!Oats? Clearly the second is the better explanation. Why? Because if town!Oats thought that he had actually been caught by a TS "trap" he would
EITHER call it bullshit, not a trap, stupid scumslip and push TS hard OR believe it was indeed a town!TS trap and stop scumming him
Instead, we have scum!Oats next mention of Tubesock:
On March 09 2019 01:52 Oatsmaster wrote: my scumlist: sl rsoul grack ace tube slam
The "whoops, I forgot I backed off that guy" list.
GG. Oats
And I really tried. I really thought you might be town after all with your post about Wiggles scum. But nice job throwing your buddy under the bus.
I see you never actually connected that list with something I said earlier huh.
I believe the stuff with tube was during the HF/Bh which was an extremely annoying day. The way that tube reacted to his trap thing I quite liked and I didn’t really want to go after him at that point.
Rsoul scumreading DF had no reasons attached to it and at that point, I did think she was mafia so I wanted her to explain why DF was mafia which is the point of that post. Unfortunately she died so Er I was wrong about her, embarassing
TL;DR I sheep my vote to Acro - He deserves this much for the only guy left giving a real shit about the game If this is it - Its been a bittersweet pleasure & I think Pandain + Rels are scum
Im feeling much better about DF - I prob more wanted him to be scum, then I thought he was scum.
I actually watched the whole thing and I think you're town now I thought your claim was shitty but I understand the attempt now, and I think the reaction you got out of DF was pretty good
Lots of things in the video ofc I don't agree with the scumread on me. You say I'm backseating and just popping off from time to time, and that's why I'm scum; but this doesn't apply to me. As scum, I take the town leadership and get the lynches I want. As town I do my own thing when I have time to play. p:
There are two things I really liked in the video: - the BH post about lurkers. I also have the mindset that most of the scumteam are lurkers, and have been watching town self-desotry themselves from the beginning. That's why actually the best lynch everyday would have been someone like ExO; not the most exciting one, but a good chance to hit scum - Oats' response to rsoul's scumread of BC and DF, commenting that her DF's scumread is "the worst scumread he's ever seen". That's might be a good parnter indicator right there. I didn't find Acro's point on Oats / BC beta / alpha very scummy, but this is way better
Now one question: why do you think my reasonning on Onegu(s claim is wrong?
On March 17 2019 00:17 Rels wrote: Acro and TS findings on Oats' read on TS is a great find. The only thing I didn't understand was how the fuck TS posts at the beginning were supposed to be traps, but since Oats showed he believes them, it doesn't matter
I mean, believing in them means that he thought through it beforehand yes?
On March 17 2019 01:00 Mr. Wiggles wrote: We've got Professor Acrofales on the line. Please stay tuned as we conduct an interval with this esteemed criminologist into the merits of the darthfoley/Oatsmaster cases:
On March 17 2019 00:01 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Before we get into the show, we are paging Professor Acrofales, paging Professor Acrofales.
If you're still here, we would like to know your thoughts on one 'darthfoley'. We consider him the strongest alternate lynch to Oats that we can rally town behind today.
Why are you looking at an alternative wagon? What do you think of Oats?
On March 14 2019 12:15 Grackaroni wrote: Hello Mr. Wiggles.
Long time listener, first time caller.
My issue with your program is that it focuses heavily on night actions and tube socks, which makes for somewhat dull listening in my evening hours. Frequently questions are explored in great detail that are of little value. I fear that your sock fetish frequently distracts from more engaging topics.
Could you give me some of your thoughts on the following players:
Oatsmaster Rels Jockmcplop Mocsta
snip...
Oatsmaster:
Null to scum read, similar strength to Jock. Looking through the filter was pretty hard. There's lots of random commentary and questions that don't seem to accomplish much or go anywhere. Lots of their scum reads come on hard seem to drop pretty soon thereafter. Reads a lot like Oats is throwing crap at the wall and looking for what might stick. Maybe that's a good way to look for reactions pretty early in the game, but coming in to this stage, it doesn't really add too much. I'm not familiar with meta any more, so maybe this is Oats' normal play?
Overall, I'd contrast Oats' play to Mocsta's where the latter's shows a more clear progression in the reads compared to Oats, even if they similarly try to push their own reads regardless of town sentiment. Mocsta's reads a lot more like town trying to scumhunt compared to Oats.
Your case has done a lot to build on that read, and we think it's pretty strong. Your point about lots of throwaway content meshes well with what we found scummy. I'm not sure how convincing the BC association is in isolation to other scum flips, but the flip-flop around voting off-wagon is a great point.
The stuff around the rsoultin and TS interaction is also good. Oats definitely backs off hard when the pressure starts to build.
On the other hand, your host has a strong gut read on DF and dives into his filter only serve to reinforce it. We posted some more rationale up above contrasting DF to other lurkers like ExO_.
Do you disagree that DF is scum? A red flip on DF or Oats would provide more association against the other one.
Your host may have a tendency to tunnel into what they consider strong reads, but we're probably in a do-or-die situation, so we need to know if our town reads think we're on the wrong track here. We've backed off TS for the day since a lot of people aren't seeing it anymore, and we don't want last minute shenanigans to be available to scum over a split wagon. It's important that Liquidia commits to a lynch so we don't get screwed. The staff of the Dead Zone Show consider this to best be one of DF or Oats today.
I really like how so far, the most active people in this game haven’t been mafia. Vivax not mafia. HF not mafia, rsoul not mafia. And from acros perspective, he’s not mafia. So therefore at lylo that most of you believe, you guys are lynching into the group of most active people, aka me, all who have flipped town so far. Hmmm maybe it means I’ll flip town too.
Wriggles, what in the world are you talking about rsoul and ts reaction? When did any pressure whatsoever start to build and how did I back off because of that?
On March 16 2019 17:16 Oatsmaster wrote: Wriggles is mafia
Lets start with this post
On March 15 2019 11:56 Mr. Wiggles wrote: In recent news, suspected mafia accomplice Onegu has claimed the role of 3rd Party Survivor. Your host is pleased that their read of 'not-town' turned out correct. However, there still remains the matter of determining the absolute truth in this case.
We are not sure that it made sense for Onegu to claim 3rd party at night. There's no threat of lynch at that point, and it is doubtful scum would shoot them given the general suspicion surrounding their business in the town. So, what's the point of the claim at that time? Is it because the claim had been previously planned by scum and they were nervous in wanting to post after the lynch? Time will tell. This is yet another point added to a growing pile of inconsistencies surrounding Onegu's claimed allegiance.
Now, if our listeners would indulge us as we take a trip down a line of inquiry smelling of fine wine, we can theorise as to the possible scum motivations of Onegu's claim.
From the reads stated in calls to the show, Onegu was widely regarded as being a good lynch candidate and a likely member of Liquidia's most notorious crime family. Without a doubt, the pressure would have been on today. So, claiming 3rd party at this point allows Onegu to take himself out of the pool of suspects and buy more time. Given that town is likely on the brink of failure and needs to lynch correctly several times in a row (see professor Acrofales' excellent analysis) this provides benefit to scum since town will now be looking into their weaker reads, where the chance of mislynch is higher. Given that town's reads are likely to become more accurate over time, this gives a higher chance of success for scum than if we had simply proceeded with the Onegu lynch directly.
With this being said, we are still evaluating how to handle Onegu. He is surely not a member of our town, but is he a threat? After the events of last night, we may have a sure lock on another scum candidate, so this question can probably be put on the back burner for now.
We think it may be in our best interest to lynch him if we find ourselves in muddy waters in the next few cycles, but we can likely leave him be for today.
he doesnt really entertain the idea that Onegu is mafia fakeclaiming 3p seriously, instead wanting to take the claim at face value but like he isnt suspicious at all. Instead, its a really long part of fluff that basically says "meh hes probably survivor for no reason and I dont want to lynch him today" scummy
Your host does seriously entertain that Onegu can be scum, which is why the bulk of the above transcript is devoted to the idea that the claim doesn't make much sense for a real 3P and that there is definite scum motivation to make that claim. We think he's more likely scum than survivor, but on the chance he is survivor, we'd rather not give scum essentially a free round of night kills.
Given Professor Acrofales' analysis, we need to lynch into scum multiple times with no mislynches. We'd rather not take the chance on Onegu when we believe there are other scum to lynch who we feel just as strongly on. That's the whole point about if our reads aren't great coming in to the second or third scum lynch we can kill him then, since the expected value works out.
On March 15 2019 12:02 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Suspected criminal mastermind Oatsmaster calls in with the following question:
On March 15 2019 11:43 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 15 2019 11:41 darthfoley wrote:
On March 15 2019 11:31 LightningStrike wrote: Moscta it does matter only because if it's a red check we just lynch them today and if they not well you get the picture but I assuming a red check because you going to just park your vote there. ##Vote: Darthfoley
Lol he didn't vote me because he redchecked me. He didn't even check me. He's voted me because I haven't given a shit about this game and been wrong one more time than he has (I wasn't on the Sent wagon). Lynching me in LYLO for silly reasons would however, cap off this shit show of a town
Why is it lylo?
We would direct their attention to the two recent journal articles published by esteemed citizen Professor Acrofales in the Liquidia Journal of Criminology:
On March 14 2019 17:54 Acrofales wrote: Tomorrow there's going to be 15 ppl alive if the KP stays the same. Pretty sure if you don't lynch scum, it's over:
Formula 1: #scum/2 rounded up (traitor doesn't count) 10 town vs 5 scum Lynch scum, kill 2 town: 8v4 Lynch scum, kill 2 town: 6v3 Lynch scum, kill 1 town: 5v2 Breathing space: town bought themselves a final mislynch.
If you lynch town: Lynch town, kill 3 town: 6v5 Lynch scum, kill 2 town: 4v4 and it's over.
So HAVE TO kill 3 scum in a row.
Formula 2: flat 3 KP, unknown number of mafia: 15-X vs X Lynch scum, kill 3 town: 12 - X vs X - 1. Lynch scum, kill 3 town: 9 - X vs X - 2. Lynch scum, kill 3 town: 6 - X vs X - 3. Lunch scum, kill 3 town??? 3- X vs X - 4.
This obviously cannot continue and the last scum must be dead here, so X <= 4 in this scenario. X < 4 would make the scumread too small for the game, IMHO. So balance says that scum should be exactly 4 here, and to win, town needs to kill all scum in a row, starting now.
So what I'll do tonight is give you a list of the 4 scummiest shits and you lynch them in order. If KP stays 3, then you are in the bottom scenario and every day is lylo. If you're in the top scenario, you can take a brief breath after killing the three scummers.
Obviously I'm expecting to be dead tomorrow, but maybe there's a backup medic. Who knows.
On March 15 2019 03:41 Acrofales wrote: Time for setup speculation part 2, now with 3p!
I looked over onegu's filter and most of my reasons for scumreading him is his utter disinterest in finding scum. That is totally explainable as 3p. However, it's also totally explainable as scum. So here goes:
If onegu is scum, see my previous post, and you just gotta kill him.
If onegu is a survivor: Formula 1, nothing changes, except that instead of it being 5v2 after lynching 3 scum, its 4v2v1. Imho, always lynch onegu at this point, unless you caught a 4th scummer redhanded doing scummy-as-fuck stuff. Otherwise, you can't distinguish between 5v2 and 4v2v1, and lynching town in the 4v2v1 situation means town loses. Lynching the claimed 3p is a "safe play". He is definitely not town, as town doesn't claim 3p unless they want to lose the game, and he might just be scum trying to escape. Note that it isn't safe to lynch onegu the 3p *before* you get down to the single NK in this formula.
Formula 2: Without a medic, we have already lost: 14-X vs X vs 1 11-X vs X - 1 vs 1 8-X vs X - 2 vs 1 5 - X vs X - 3 vs 1 If X = 4 this is endgame. So either FF blows up a scummer with a bomb (meaning scum are a bunch of fricking idiots) or we still have a medic floating about.
In either case, if we get the medic save, it is never safe to lynch onegu the 3p. It is always necessary to lynch onegu the scum. At some point town is gonna have to decide what onegu is.
Onegu the SK.
This scenario just seems really really unlikely. Non-compulsive SKs are such a broken role that I don't think we got one. Which means that *either* the SK stacked KP 3 times, for which we only have circumstantial evidence on N1, or the scumteam has only 2 KP.
Neither of these scenarios seems likely at all. So I'd rule out this scenario. Moreover, I actually checked the OP, and it says:
The town's win condition:
The town wins when all mafia are eliminated.
This seems pretty clearcut. There is no malevolent 3p in the game, or this wincon wouldn't work. So onegu is not an SK.
Your hosts at the Dead Zone Show tend to agree with this analysis, and at least the general sentiment that we must try our hardest to lynch into scum. There should be no more talk of throw-away lynches to thin lurkers or bad players at this point.
waste of time post
If that post that took a minute to write was a waste of time, what does that make your question? Please read the thread in the future, and you won't need to waste so much of other people's time. =/
On March 15 2019 12:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Ever-faithful listener and #1 Dead Zone Show fan LightningStrike calls in with the following question:
On March 15 2019 11:40 LightningStrike wrote: Dear Faithful host: What you make of Moscta's claim and actions from today? Sincerely, LS
We're still trying to wrap our heads around the claim. We agree on the general scumminess of darthfoley and will be voting there as we figure out the rest of the day. We'll be interested in seeing any letter addressed from Professor Acrofales regarding the target of today's lynch. During the night cycle he argued strongly that we need to lynch Oatsmaster, and we'd like to see some more reasoning for that target compared to df.
Now for the claim itself, we're not sure whether we believe it. There was some weirdness, a so-called 'ploy', around last night's check. Similarly, the timing of the claim was odd. Why post a claim with almost the full night ahead so that scum can decide whether to shoot you? mocsta was around for just before the flips, so that would have been the more logical time for the claim to come out.
The scum motivation for this would be if we're in a do or die situation like the Professor pointed out, and df is town. This would cement a scum victory if we followed the claimed check blindly.
On the other hand, we have been reading mocsta as town, and historically they have acted quite compulsively. From that perspective, your hosts are pondering whether a town mocsta would try to fake claim to ensure they got the lynch they wanted. We haven't followed their past career closely enough to know if this is something they would do, but it does seem possible.
The alternative is that we're over-thinking this and mocsta really does moonlight as a private eye, but overall the claim needs to be clarified since something smells off to us here at the show.
okay so this post, right before this wriggles seems to "know" that df is mafia with a lot of confidence
On March 15 2019 12:03 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Though, on reflection, is that a slip from our red friend DarthFoley?
right so like its a joke but that comes from no question at all that he thinks DF is mafia because of the red check from mocsta In the post analyzing mocsta, he states that the claim is off but he doesnt commit to a read on mocsta because of that and that seems to me like a lot of hedging kinda seeing where the town read him and then commit to that read. Like he basically says "shrug, i dunno its weird, dont look at me i dont know". Again, another post that looks good but says absolutely nothing.
Im just gonna stop here for now, but throughout his filter, theres a lack of like interest to actually get the people he thinks is scum lynched. He kinda waffles a bit, plays a bit of mentor advice role but legitimately just hides in the shadows. His show is just a way to fluff up his posts, and if you notice, for the most part he doesnt actually progress anything in his show. Its basically him answering some questions and peacing out. So he is putting his opinion in the thread but not actually using it for any reason whatsoever to look townie.
Theres a reason Palmar wanted him to die.
this is the lynch for today
##vote wriggles
We have a town read on mocsta, which if you don't know that seems to go back to not actually following the show very closely. This read was made before the cop claim came out. That post details that despite the claim, we still thought mocsta was a member of our fair town. There could be mafia motivation to the claim, but based on our earlier read and the inconsistencies in the claim, we thought it was some sort of ploy to get people behind a DF lynch.
As for the last point, outside of weekends we have only a few hours to actively post in the evening. This also happens to be when a lot of people are away or asleep, thus the title of the show. We're playing the game by trying to advance reads, comment on current events, and basically be an open book to any question we're asked in our fan mail. If we don't look like we're pushing lynches that's because we're not, in the sense that we can't be around to spam "lynch X" for the four hours before the lynch. If people don't read the thread or want to remember what was written further back than a few hours ago, we can't really do anything about that.
The claim needs to be verified because something smells fishy, means that you thought its some sort of ploy from town? Your words and your explanation afterwards don’t make sense.
I really don’t care why you decided that this format is how you want to interact with the game, I care that you come in, answer some questions and then not use any time at all to promote your lynch targets. There’s no proactivity in your play, it’s all reactive. Like it’s actually literally all reactive. Which is extremely scummy because you want to blend in and make sure that you react appropriately and not take risks in being proactive
On March 17 2019 02:52 Acrofales wrote: I don't think there's anything wrong with what you say about MZ. But I did like his response yesterday when I asked if he saw himself as null. I found this post:
On March 15 2019 03:02 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I might swap Grack with Rels/FF but other than that I think your reads are spot on Acro.
So you think you're null?
You don't have me as scum? You almost the same reads I do? I think my play so far justifies a null read on me, that's why I haven't jumped down the throats of the many people who have called me scum lol.
I'm town, as long as we're lynching people I think are scum in a lylo situation I'm good with people reading me however they please.
completely inline with how I'd expect a townie to respond.
So given that we caught Oatsmaster with his hand in the cookie jar today, I don't really feel like spending the energy to un-null my null read right now.
Also, I'm wary of wagons being pushed by people I haven't towned yet... for obvious reasons.
I’m sorry what? You are townreading someone who doesn’t believe that they can be townread. Dude can you take a step back and actually think about how town plays this game?
On March 16 2019 18:22 Acrofales wrote: Btw, I did like the point about AMG replacing out from playing a town dayvig. He knew the size of the thread when he replaced in, so it seems a bit weird. But I did understand it. Replacing in is always tricky and I kept up with most of the thread, but was still overwhelmed by the quantity of new posts every time I opened it.
Hard to call someone scum for getting overwhelmed, even if they have one of the coolest roles in the game.
What did AMG say about HF? Because honestly, I would 100% have shot HF in the face at daybreak on D2...
My to-do list:
Get a haircut Buy shoes Filter wiggles Filter pandain+AMG Kill Oats
Seems pretty good.
stop the tunnel and just open your eyes acro.
Mocsta, what do you think of the case?
why does my opinion matter? i thought you put me in scum category?
because i would prefer not to be mislynched and I would like everyones cooperation
On March 17 2019 03:07 Onegu wrote: Seriously If town wants to lynch scum lynch LS.
onegu, you seem like you dont really want to lynch me. If you are on the lynch of mafia, town wont want to lynch you because youve proven to be willing to kill mafia. Now im not mafia but I know who is mafia so will you join me?
On March 17 2019 03:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I have a theory that scum kept acro alive because they knew if they killed him we'd just straight vote his reads and call it a day.
Looking at all these different wagons that pop up between myself, onegu, DF, and Mocsta strongly makes me suspect that people are trying really hard to prevent an oats lynch without looking like they are.
On March 17 2019 03:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I have a theory that scum kept acro alive because they knew if they killed him we'd just straight vote his reads and call it a day.
Looking at all these different wagons that pop up between myself, onegu, DF, and Mocsta strongly makes me suspect that people are trying really hard to prevent an oats lynch without looking like they are.
or that acro is wrong and people can see it.
you know the right reason
Considering that your scum list rn is wiggles + the people voting you, I have a feeling acro is right and the people who have been pushing alternatives (DF, Pandain, even maybe LS) are scum.
On March 17 2019 03:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I have a theory that scum kept acro alive because they knew if they killed him we'd just straight vote his reads and call it a day.
Looking at all these different wagons that pop up between myself, onegu, DF, and Mocsta strongly makes me suspect that people are trying really hard to prevent an oats lynch without looking like they are.
or that acro is wrong and people can see it.
you know the right reason
Considering that your scum list rn is wiggles + the people voting you, I have a feeling acro is right and the people who have been pushing alternatives (DF, Pandain, even maybe LS) are scum.
Although LS might just be really dumb.
also people pushing alternatives means that they dont want to lynch me, and im town so they are immediately townier. See how that works when you use logic MZ?
On March 17 2019 03:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I have a theory that scum kept acro alive because they knew if they killed him we'd just straight vote his reads and call it a day.
Looking at all these different wagons that pop up between myself, onegu, DF, and Mocsta strongly makes me suspect that people are trying really hard to prevent an oats lynch without looking like they are.
or that acro is wrong and people can see it.
you know the right reason
Considering that your scum list rn is wiggles + the people voting you, I have a feeling acro is right and the people who have been pushing alternatives (DF, Pandain, even maybe LS) are scum.
Although LS might just be really dumb.
nah you are right, my scumlist should be the people not on me because the people voting to mislynch me in what they think is lylo are super townie
On March 17 2019 03:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: idk Onego, maybe you're on to something lol:
On March 15 2019 08:07 LightningStrike wrote: ##Vote: FecalFeast
On March 15 2019 08:11 LightningStrike wrote: ##Unvote
On March 15 2019 11:31 LightningStrike wrote: ##Vote: Darthfoley
On March 16 2019 04:47 LightningStrike wrote: ##Unvote
On March 16 2019 07:57 LightningStrike wrote: ##Vote: Onegu
On March 17 2019 03:04 LightningStrike wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Maepak_Zipph
This just screams scum doing their best to figure out which wagon is the most likely to take off.
The FF vote was because I saw Mocsta claim red check on him and recided when I reread who he said was going to check. I thought Mocsta had a red check on Df when he was talking in the thread earlier but then decided that it likely not a real red check after talking with rels in the qt. I voted Onegu as a placeholder/my biggest scumread because his claim seems more like mafia trying to survive type of deal. Since I saw nooone wanted to lynch him I went for my 2nd wagon of choice.
On March 17 2019 03:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: idk Onego, maybe you're on to something lol:
On March 15 2019 08:07 LightningStrike wrote: ##Vote: FecalFeast
On March 15 2019 08:11 LightningStrike wrote: ##Unvote
On March 15 2019 11:31 LightningStrike wrote: ##Vote: Darthfoley
On March 16 2019 04:47 LightningStrike wrote: ##Unvote
On March 16 2019 07:57 LightningStrike wrote: ##Vote: Onegu
On March 17 2019 03:04 LightningStrike wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Maepak_Zipph
This just screams scum doing their best to figure out which wagon is the most likely to take off.
The FF vote was because I saw Mocsta claim red check on him and recided when I reread who he said was going to check. I thought Mocsta had a red check on Df when he was talking in the thread earlier but then decided that it likely not a real red check after talking with rels in the qt. I voted Onegu as a placeholder/my biggest scumread because his claim seems more like mafia trying to survive type of deal. Since I saw nooone wanted to lynch him I went for my 2nd wagon of choice.
LS lets lynch Wriggles
Some of the deal called him as well as MZ. Wiggles more fun to talk with
we can lynch MZ tomorrow, lynch wriggles today! its the train of justice
wow what a lovely list of town people on my wagon.
So this wasn't sarcasm? bc that's how I read it.
obviously sarcasm but you did say that i had no scumreads outside of my wagon and wriggles.
Are you reading your own filter?
You have done nothing productive to push an exo or slam lynch. Your one contribution has been to scum read wiggles which is a very johnny come lately push. Where were you when I wanted to lynch wiggles like half a week ago? Wiggles since then has been active and clearly giving good reads, the justification of killing him based on dead townies was no longer sufficient days ago.
obviously I havent, I cant push all of my scumreads into lynches.
I was lynching Holyflare because you wanted to somehow convert 1 vote into 12 votes?
wow what a lovely list of town people on my wagon.
So this wasn't sarcasm? bc that's how I read it.
obviously sarcasm but you did say that i had no scumreads outside of my wagon and wriggles.
Are you reading your own filter?
You have done nothing productive to push an exo or slam lynch. Your one contribution has been to scum read wiggles which is a very johnny come lately push. Where were you when I wanted to lynch wiggles like half a week ago? Wiggles since then has been active and clearly giving good reads, the justification of killing him based on dead townies was no longer sufficient days ago.
obviously I havent, I cant push all of my scumreads into lynches.
I was lynching Holyflare because you wanted to somehow convert 1 vote into 12 votes?
I wasn't asking you to lol, i voted for my top scum reads for the first few days as well. However now in a potential lylo with you under the gun you've not really done anything to show why your reads should be getting lynched instead of yourself.
I also can only lynch one person today? I think ive explained pretty well why I think wriggles is mafia but you dont want to engage with me?
Acro's post is nice, but im talking about this game only.
On March 17 2019 01:17 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Desperate likely-mafioso Oatsmaster write in with the following nasty bit of slander:
On March 16 2019 17:16 Oatsmaster wrote: Wriggles is mafia
Lets start with this post
On March 15 2019 11:56 Mr. Wiggles wrote: In recent news, suspected mafia accomplice Onegu has claimed the role of 3rd Party Survivor. Your host is pleased that their read of 'not-town' turned out correct. However, there still remains the matter of determining the absolute truth in this case.
We are not sure that it made sense for Onegu to claim 3rd party at night. There's no threat of lynch at that point, and it is doubtful scum would shoot them given the general suspicion surrounding their business in the town. So, what's the point of the claim at that time? Is it because the claim had been previously planned by scum and they were nervous in wanting to post after the lynch? Time will tell. This is yet another point added to a growing pile of inconsistencies surrounding Onegu's claimed allegiance.
Now, if our listeners would indulge us as we take a trip down a line of inquiry smelling of fine wine, we can theorise as to the possible scum motivations of Onegu's claim.
From the reads stated in calls to the show, Onegu was widely regarded as being a good lynch candidate and a likely member of Liquidia's most notorious crime family. Without a doubt, the pressure would have been on today. So, claiming 3rd party at this point allows Onegu to take himself out of the pool of suspects and buy more time. Given that town is likely on the brink of failure and needs to lynch correctly several times in a row (see professor Acrofales' excellent analysis) this provides benefit to scum since town will now be looking into their weaker reads, where the chance of mislynch is higher. Given that town's reads are likely to become more accurate over time, this gives a higher chance of success for scum than if we had simply proceeded with the Onegu lynch directly.
With this being said, we are still evaluating how to handle Onegu. He is surely not a member of our town, but is he a threat? After the events of last night, we may have a sure lock on another scum candidate, so this question can probably be put on the back burner for now.
We think it may be in our best interest to lynch him if we find ourselves in muddy waters in the next few cycles, but we can likely leave him be for today.
he doesnt really entertain the idea that Onegu is mafia fakeclaiming 3p seriously, instead wanting to take the claim at face value but like he isnt suspicious at all. Instead, its a really long part of fluff that basically says "meh hes probably survivor for no reason and I dont want to lynch him today" scummy
Your host does seriously entertain that Onegu can be scum, which is why the bulk of the above transcript is devoted to the idea that the claim doesn't make much sense for a real 3P and that there is definite scum motivation to make that claim. We think he's more likely scum than survivor, but on the chance he is survivor, we'd rather not give scum essentially a free round of night kills.
Given Professor Acrofales' analysis, we need to lynch into scum multiple times with no mislynches. We'd rather not take the chance on Onegu when we believe there are other scum to lynch who we feel just as strongly on. That's the whole point about if our reads aren't great coming in to the second or third scum lynch we can kill him then, since the expected value works out.
On March 15 2019 12:02 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Suspected criminal mastermind Oatsmaster calls in with the following question:
On March 15 2019 11:43 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 15 2019 11:41 darthfoley wrote:
On March 15 2019 11:31 LightningStrike wrote: Moscta it does matter only because if it's a red check we just lynch them today and if they not well you get the picture but I assuming a red check because you going to just park your vote there. ##Vote: Darthfoley
Lol he didn't vote me because he redchecked me. He didn't even check me. He's voted me because I haven't given a shit about this game and been wrong one more time than he has (I wasn't on the Sent wagon). Lynching me in LYLO for silly reasons would however, cap off this shit show of a town
Why is it lylo?
We would direct their attention to the two recent journal articles published by esteemed citizen Professor Acrofales in the Liquidia Journal of Criminology:
On March 14 2019 17:54 Acrofales wrote: Tomorrow there's going to be 15 ppl alive if the KP stays the same. Pretty sure if you don't lynch scum, it's over:
Formula 1: #scum/2 rounded up (traitor doesn't count) 10 town vs 5 scum Lynch scum, kill 2 town: 8v4 Lynch scum, kill 2 town: 6v3 Lynch scum, kill 1 town: 5v2 Breathing space: town bought themselves a final mislynch.
If you lynch town: Lynch town, kill 3 town: 6v5 Lynch scum, kill 2 town: 4v4 and it's over.
So HAVE TO kill 3 scum in a row.
Formula 2: flat 3 KP, unknown number of mafia: 15-X vs X Lynch scum, kill 3 town: 12 - X vs X - 1. Lynch scum, kill 3 town: 9 - X vs X - 2. Lynch scum, kill 3 town: 6 - X vs X - 3. Lunch scum, kill 3 town??? 3- X vs X - 4.
This obviously cannot continue and the last scum must be dead here, so X <= 4 in this scenario. X < 4 would make the scumread too small for the game, IMHO. So balance says that scum should be exactly 4 here, and to win, town needs to kill all scum in a row, starting now.
So what I'll do tonight is give you a list of the 4 scummiest shits and you lynch them in order. If KP stays 3, then you are in the bottom scenario and every day is lylo. If you're in the top scenario, you can take a brief breath after killing the three scummers.
Obviously I'm expecting to be dead tomorrow, but maybe there's a backup medic. Who knows.
On March 15 2019 03:41 Acrofales wrote: Time for setup speculation part 2, now with 3p!
I looked over onegu's filter and most of my reasons for scumreading him is his utter disinterest in finding scum. That is totally explainable as 3p. However, it's also totally explainable as scum. So here goes:
If onegu is scum, see my previous post, and you just gotta kill him.
If onegu is a survivor: Formula 1, nothing changes, except that instead of it being 5v2 after lynching 3 scum, its 4v2v1. Imho, always lynch onegu at this point, unless you caught a 4th scummer redhanded doing scummy-as-fuck stuff. Otherwise, you can't distinguish between 5v2 and 4v2v1, and lynching town in the 4v2v1 situation means town loses. Lynching the claimed 3p is a "safe play". He is definitely not town, as town doesn't claim 3p unless they want to lose the game, and he might just be scum trying to escape. Note that it isn't safe to lynch onegu the 3p *before* you get down to the single NK in this formula.
Formula 2: Without a medic, we have already lost: 14-X vs X vs 1 11-X vs X - 1 vs 1 8-X vs X - 2 vs 1 5 - X vs X - 3 vs 1 If X = 4 this is endgame. So either FF blows up a scummer with a bomb (meaning scum are a bunch of fricking idiots) or we still have a medic floating about.
In either case, if we get the medic save, it is never safe to lynch onegu the 3p. It is always necessary to lynch onegu the scum. At some point town is gonna have to decide what onegu is.
Onegu the SK.
This scenario just seems really really unlikely. Non-compulsive SKs are such a broken role that I don't think we got one. Which means that *either* the SK stacked KP 3 times, for which we only have circumstantial evidence on N1, or the scumteam has only 2 KP.
Neither of these scenarios seems likely at all. So I'd rule out this scenario. Moreover, I actually checked the OP, and it says:
The town's win condition:
The town wins when all mafia are eliminated.
This seems pretty clearcut. There is no malevolent 3p in the game, or this wincon wouldn't work. So onegu is not an SK.
Your hosts at the Dead Zone Show tend to agree with this analysis, and at least the general sentiment that we must try our hardest to lynch into scum. There should be no more talk of throw-away lynches to thin lurkers or bad players at this point.
waste of time post
If that post that took a minute to write was a waste of time, what does that make your question? Please read the thread in the future, and you won't need to waste so much of other people's time. =/
On March 15 2019 12:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Ever-faithful listener and #1 Dead Zone Show fan LightningStrike calls in with the following question:
On March 15 2019 11:40 LightningStrike wrote: Dear Faithful host: What you make of Moscta's claim and actions from today? Sincerely, LS
We're still trying to wrap our heads around the claim. We agree on the general scumminess of darthfoley and will be voting there as we figure out the rest of the day. We'll be interested in seeing any letter addressed from Professor Acrofales regarding the target of today's lynch. During the night cycle he argued strongly that we need to lynch Oatsmaster, and we'd like to see some more reasoning for that target compared to df.
Now for the claim itself, we're not sure whether we believe it. There was some weirdness, a so-called 'ploy', around last night's check. Similarly, the timing of the claim was odd. Why post a claim with almost the full night ahead so that scum can decide whether to shoot you? mocsta was around for just before the flips, so that would have been the more logical time for the claim to come out.
The scum motivation for this would be if we're in a do or die situation like the Professor pointed out, and df is town. This would cement a scum victory if we followed the claimed check blindly.
On the other hand, we have been reading mocsta as town, and historically they have acted quite compulsively. From that perspective, your hosts are pondering whether a town mocsta would try to fake claim to ensure they got the lynch they wanted. We haven't followed their past career closely enough to know if this is something they would do, but it does seem possible.
The alternative is that we're over-thinking this and mocsta really does moonlight as a private eye, but overall the claim needs to be clarified since something smells off to us here at the show.
okay so this post, right before this wriggles seems to "know" that df is mafia with a lot of confidence
On March 15 2019 12:03 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Though, on reflection, is that a slip from our red friend DarthFoley?
right so like its a joke but that comes from no question at all that he thinks DF is mafia because of the red check from mocsta In the post analyzing mocsta, he states that the claim is off but he doesnt commit to a read on mocsta because of that and that seems to me like a lot of hedging kinda seeing where the town read him and then commit to that read. Like he basically says "shrug, i dunno its weird, dont look at me i dont know". Again, another post that looks good but says absolutely nothing.
Im just gonna stop here for now, but throughout his filter, theres a lack of like interest to actually get the people he thinks is scum lynched. He kinda waffles a bit, plays a bit of mentor advice role but legitimately just hides in the shadows. His show is just a way to fluff up his posts, and if you notice, for the most part he doesnt actually progress anything in his show. Its basically him answering some questions and peacing out. So he is putting his opinion in the thread but not actually using it for any reason whatsoever to look townie.
Theres a reason Palmar wanted him to die.
this is the lynch for today
##vote wriggles
We have a town read on mocsta, which if you don't know that seems to go back to not actually following the show very closely. This read was made before the cop claim came out. That post details that despite the claim, we still thought mocsta was a member of our fair town. There could be mafia motivation to the claim, but based on our earlier read and the inconsistencies in the claim, we thought it was some sort of ploy to get people behind a DF lynch.
As for the last point, outside of weekends we have only a few hours to actively post in the evening. This also happens to be when a lot of people are away or asleep, thus the title of the show. We're playing the game by trying to advance reads, comment on current events, and basically be an open book to any question we're asked in our fan mail. If we don't look like we're pushing lynches that's because we're not, in the sense that we can't be around to spam "lynch X" for the four hours before the lynch. If people don't read the thread or want to remember what was written further back than a few hours ago, we can't really do anything about that.
The claim needs to be verified because something smells fishy, means that you thought its some sort of ploy from town? Your words and your explanation afterwards don’t make sense.
I really don’t care why you decided that this format is how you want to interact with the game, I care that you come in, answer some questions and then not use any time at all to promote your lynch targets. There’s no proactivity in your play, it’s all reactive. Like it’s actually literally all reactive. Which is extremely scummy because you want to blend in and make sure that you react appropriately and not take risks in being proactive
Oats doesn't like reading, or more likely is scum lying through their teeth, so here's the quote from the original post:
"On the other hand, we have been reading mocsta as town, and historically they have acted quite compulsively. From that perspective, your hosts are pondering whether a town mocsta would try to fake claim to ensure they got the lynch they wanted. We haven't followed their past career closely enough to know if this is something they would do, but it does seem possible."
This came out before mocsta admitted to the fake claim.
We've been pro-active in some ways for this game. We've been the only one who was really pushing your scum buddy Tubesock until the last lynch cycle. We were also one of the few people taking heat off of people we had town reads on by dismantling the shoddy and clumsy cases being made against them. Too bad this didn't work for Chezinu, but let's look at the wagon, shall we? Take your pick of Pandain or Onegu for scum:
Please let us know if you notice any mistakes. The deadline is Wednesday, Mar 13 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in .
We've got half the scum team pushing Chez, and then your buddy about to get lynched voting you uselessly instead of doing anything to help town.
You summed up your post on mocsta with that line so im talking about that line. Not the rest of the literal waffle in your post.
I wasnt in thread when chez got all those votes anyway, when I left it was 7 tube 4 onegu 3 chez 2 mz stop saying that makes me scum because i wasnt there
TL;DR I sheep my vote to Acro - He deserves this much for the only guy left giving a real shit about the game If this is it - Its been a bittersweet pleasure & I think Pandain + Rels are scum
Im feeling much better about DF - I prob more wanted him to be scum, then I thought he was scum.
I actually watched the whole thing and I think you're town now I thought your claim was shitty but I understand the attempt now, and I think the reaction you got out of DF was pretty good
Lots of things in the video ofc I don't agree with the scumread on me. You say I'm backseating and just popping off from time to time, and that's why I'm scum; but this doesn't apply to me. As scum, I take the town leadership and get the lynches I want. As town I do my own thing when I have time to play. p:
There are two things I really liked in the video: - the BH post about lurkers. I also have the mindset that most of the scumteam are lurkers, and have been watching town self-desotry themselves from the beginning. That's why actually the best lynch everyday would have been someone like ExO; not the most exciting one, but a good chance to hit scum - Oats' response to rsoul's scumread of BC and DF, commenting that her DF's scumread is "the worst scumread he's ever seen". That's might be a good parnter indicator right there. I didn't find Acro's point on Oats / BC beta / alpha very scummy, but this is way better
Now one question: why do you think my reasonning on Onegu(s claim is wrong?
On March 17 2019 00:17 Rels wrote: Acro and TS findings on Oats' read on TS is a great find. The only thing I didn't understand was how the fuck TS posts at the beginning were supposed to be traps, but since Oats showed he believes them, it doesn't matter
I mean, believing in them means that he thought through it beforehand yes?
again, how does that make me mafia?
'cause you still scumread him after that ... that's the whole point lol
didnt say jack shit about rsouls read on BC.
i scumread tube because he didnt vote for himself as mayor at the start. but that turned out to not be a real alignment indicator so i dropped it
TL;DR I sheep my vote to Acro - He deserves this much for the only guy left giving a real shit about the game If this is it - Its been a bittersweet pleasure & I think Pandain + Rels are scum
Im feeling much better about DF - I prob more wanted him to be scum, then I thought he was scum.
I actually watched the whole thing and I think you're town now I thought your claim was shitty but I understand the attempt now, and I think the reaction you got out of DF was pretty good
Lots of things in the video ofc I don't agree with the scumread on me. You say I'm backseating and just popping off from time to time, and that's why I'm scum; but this doesn't apply to me. As scum, I take the town leadership and get the lynches I want. As town I do my own thing when I have time to play. p:
There are two things I really liked in the video: - the BH post about lurkers. I also have the mindset that most of the scumteam are lurkers, and have been watching town self-desotry themselves from the beginning. That's why actually the best lynch everyday would have been someone like ExO; not the most exciting one, but a good chance to hit scum - Oats' response to rsoul's scumread of BC and DF, commenting that her DF's scumread is "the worst scumread he's ever seen". That's might be a good parnter indicator right there. I didn't find Acro's point on Oats / BC beta / alpha very scummy, but this is way better
Now one question: why do you think my reasonning on Onegu(s claim is wrong?
Literally DF hasn’t even flipped yet you muppet
talking about BC here
On March 17 2019 02:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 17 2019 00:17 Rels wrote: Acro and TS findings on Oats' read on TS is a great find. The only thing I didn't understand was how the fuck TS posts at the beginning were supposed to be traps, but since Oats showed he believes them, it doesn't matter
I mean, believing in them means that he thought through it beforehand yes?
again, how does that make me mafia?
'cause you still scumread him after that ... that's the whole point lol
didnt say jack shit about rsouls read on BC.
That's the point!
Im sorry I really dont understand. I never had a townread on BC anyway
On March 17 2019 04:35 Mr. Wiggles wrote: We'd also like to point out, RE activity and being interested in the game, that this is our most active game on this site, ever.
My next longest filter is Insane Mafia 2 which spans a whole 7 pages of game posts over a few weeks and we end-gamed that one. Our filter usually ranges in the 1-5 page area, so don't come at me with that stuff, it's old hat. If you really want, I'll go find the crappy cases people made based on activity and 'interest' that resulted in mislynch from back then too.
Im saying that IN THIS GAME, ALL THE EXTREMELY ACTIVE PEOPLE HAVE FLIPPED TOWN. IM ACTIVE therefore IM TOWN
On March 17 2019 04:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Crimson bandit Oatsmaster calls in with the following:
On March 17 2019 03:03 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 17 2019 01:17 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Desperate likely-mafioso Oatsmaster write in with the following nasty bit of slander:
On March 16 2019 17:16 Oatsmaster wrote: Wriggles is mafia
Lets start with this post
On March 15 2019 11:56 Mr. Wiggles wrote: In recent news, suspected mafia accomplice Onegu has claimed the role of 3rd Party Survivor. Your host is pleased that their read of 'not-town' turned out correct. However, there still remains the matter of determining the absolute truth in this case.
We are not sure that it made sense for Onegu to claim 3rd party at night. There's no threat of lynch at that point, and it is doubtful scum would shoot them given the general suspicion surrounding their business in the town. So, what's the point of the claim at that time? Is it because the claim had been previously planned by scum and they were nervous in wanting to post after the lynch? Time will tell. This is yet another point added to a growing pile of inconsistencies surrounding Onegu's claimed allegiance.
Now, if our listeners would indulge us as we take a trip down a line of inquiry smelling of fine wine, we can theorise as to the possible scum motivations of Onegu's claim.
From the reads stated in calls to the show, Onegu was widely regarded as being a good lynch candidate and a likely member of Liquidia's most notorious crime family. Without a doubt, the pressure would have been on today. So, claiming 3rd party at this point allows Onegu to take himself out of the pool of suspects and buy more time. Given that town is likely on the brink of failure and needs to lynch correctly several times in a row (see professor Acrofales' excellent analysis) this provides benefit to scum since town will now be looking into their weaker reads, where the chance of mislynch is higher. Given that town's reads are likely to become more accurate over time, this gives a higher chance of success for scum than if we had simply proceeded with the Onegu lynch directly.
With this being said, we are still evaluating how to handle Onegu. He is surely not a member of our town, but is he a threat? After the events of last night, we may have a sure lock on another scum candidate, so this question can probably be put on the back burner for now.
We think it may be in our best interest to lynch him if we find ourselves in muddy waters in the next few cycles, but we can likely leave him be for today.
he doesnt really entertain the idea that Onegu is mafia fakeclaiming 3p seriously, instead wanting to take the claim at face value but like he isnt suspicious at all. Instead, its a really long part of fluff that basically says "meh hes probably survivor for no reason and I dont want to lynch him today" scummy
Your host does seriously entertain that Onegu can be scum, which is why the bulk of the above transcript is devoted to the idea that the claim doesn't make much sense for a real 3P and that there is definite scum motivation to make that claim. We think he's more likely scum than survivor, but on the chance he is survivor, we'd rather not give scum essentially a free round of night kills.
Given Professor Acrofales' analysis, we need to lynch into scum multiple times with no mislynches. We'd rather not take the chance on Onegu when we believe there are other scum to lynch who we feel just as strongly on. That's the whole point about if our reads aren't great coming in to the second or third scum lynch we can kill him then, since the expected value works out.
On March 15 2019 12:02 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Suspected criminal mastermind Oatsmaster calls in with the following question:
On March 15 2019 11:43 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 15 2019 11:41 darthfoley wrote:
On March 15 2019 11:31 LightningStrike wrote: Moscta it does matter only because if it's a red check we just lynch them today and if they not well you get the picture but I assuming a red check because you going to just park your vote there. ##Vote: Darthfoley
Lol he didn't vote me because he redchecked me. He didn't even check me. He's voted me because I haven't given a shit about this game and been wrong one more time than he has (I wasn't on the Sent wagon). Lynching me in LYLO for silly reasons would however, cap off this shit show of a town
Why is it lylo?
We would direct their attention to the two recent journal articles published by esteemed citizen Professor Acrofales in the Liquidia Journal of Criminology:
On March 14 2019 17:54 Acrofales wrote: Tomorrow there's going to be 15 ppl alive if the KP stays the same. Pretty sure if you don't lynch scum, it's over:
Formula 1: #scum/2 rounded up (traitor doesn't count) 10 town vs 5 scum Lynch scum, kill 2 town: 8v4 Lynch scum, kill 2 town: 6v3 Lynch scum, kill 1 town: 5v2 Breathing space: town bought themselves a final mislynch.
If you lynch town: Lynch town, kill 3 town: 6v5 Lynch scum, kill 2 town: 4v4 and it's over.
So HAVE TO kill 3 scum in a row.
Formula 2: flat 3 KP, unknown number of mafia: 15-X vs X Lynch scum, kill 3 town: 12 - X vs X - 1. Lynch scum, kill 3 town: 9 - X vs X - 2. Lynch scum, kill 3 town: 6 - X vs X - 3. Lunch scum, kill 3 town??? 3- X vs X - 4.
This obviously cannot continue and the last scum must be dead here, so X <= 4 in this scenario. X < 4 would make the scumread too small for the game, IMHO. So balance says that scum should be exactly 4 here, and to win, town needs to kill all scum in a row, starting now.
So what I'll do tonight is give you a list of the 4 scummiest shits and you lynch them in order. If KP stays 3, then you are in the bottom scenario and every day is lylo. If you're in the top scenario, you can take a brief breath after killing the three scummers.
Obviously I'm expecting to be dead tomorrow, but maybe there's a backup medic. Who knows.
On March 15 2019 03:41 Acrofales wrote: Time for setup speculation part 2, now with 3p!
I looked over onegu's filter and most of my reasons for scumreading him is his utter disinterest in finding scum. That is totally explainable as 3p. However, it's also totally explainable as scum. So here goes:
If onegu is scum, see my previous post, and you just gotta kill him.
If onegu is a survivor: Formula 1, nothing changes, except that instead of it being 5v2 after lynching 3 scum, its 4v2v1. Imho, always lynch onegu at this point, unless you caught a 4th scummer redhanded doing scummy-as-fuck stuff. Otherwise, you can't distinguish between 5v2 and 4v2v1, and lynching town in the 4v2v1 situation means town loses. Lynching the claimed 3p is a "safe play". He is definitely not town, as town doesn't claim 3p unless they want to lose the game, and he might just be scum trying to escape. Note that it isn't safe to lynch onegu the 3p *before* you get down to the single NK in this formula.
Formula 2: Without a medic, we have already lost: 14-X vs X vs 1 11-X vs X - 1 vs 1 8-X vs X - 2 vs 1 5 - X vs X - 3 vs 1 If X = 4 this is endgame. So either FF blows up a scummer with a bomb (meaning scum are a bunch of fricking idiots) or we still have a medic floating about.
In either case, if we get the medic save, it is never safe to lynch onegu the 3p. It is always necessary to lynch onegu the scum. At some point town is gonna have to decide what onegu is.
Onegu the SK.
This scenario just seems really really unlikely. Non-compulsive SKs are such a broken role that I don't think we got one. Which means that *either* the SK stacked KP 3 times, for which we only have circumstantial evidence on N1, or the scumteam has only 2 KP.
Neither of these scenarios seems likely at all. So I'd rule out this scenario. Moreover, I actually checked the OP, and it says:
The town's win condition:
The town wins when all mafia are eliminated.
This seems pretty clearcut. There is no malevolent 3p in the game, or this wincon wouldn't work. So onegu is not an SK.
Your hosts at the Dead Zone Show tend to agree with this analysis, and at least the general sentiment that we must try our hardest to lynch into scum. There should be no more talk of throw-away lynches to thin lurkers or bad players at this point.
waste of time post
If that post that took a minute to write was a waste of time, what does that make your question? Please read the thread in the future, and you won't need to waste so much of other people's time. =/
On March 15 2019 12:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Ever-faithful listener and #1 Dead Zone Show fan LightningStrike calls in with the following question:
On March 15 2019 11:40 LightningStrike wrote: Dear Faithful host: What you make of Moscta's claim and actions from today? Sincerely, LS
We're still trying to wrap our heads around the claim. We agree on the general scumminess of darthfoley and will be voting there as we figure out the rest of the day. We'll be interested in seeing any letter addressed from Professor Acrofales regarding the target of today's lynch. During the night cycle he argued strongly that we need to lynch Oatsmaster, and we'd like to see some more reasoning for that target compared to df.
Now for the claim itself, we're not sure whether we believe it. There was some weirdness, a so-called 'ploy', around last night's check. Similarly, the timing of the claim was odd. Why post a claim with almost the full night ahead so that scum can decide whether to shoot you? mocsta was around for just before the flips, so that would have been the more logical time for the claim to come out.
The scum motivation for this would be if we're in a do or die situation like the Professor pointed out, and df is town. This would cement a scum victory if we followed the claimed check blindly.
On the other hand, we have been reading mocsta as town, and historically they have acted quite compulsively. From that perspective, your hosts are pondering whether a town mocsta would try to fake claim to ensure they got the lynch they wanted. We haven't followed their past career closely enough to know if this is something they would do, but it does seem possible.
The alternative is that we're over-thinking this and mocsta really does moonlight as a private eye, but overall the claim needs to be clarified since something smells off to us here at the show.
okay so this post, right before this wriggles seems to "know" that df is mafia with a lot of confidence
On March 15 2019 12:03 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Though, on reflection, is that a slip from our red friend DarthFoley?
right so like its a joke but that comes from no question at all that he thinks DF is mafia because of the red check from mocsta In the post analyzing mocsta, he states that the claim is off but he doesnt commit to a read on mocsta because of that and that seems to me like a lot of hedging kinda seeing where the town read him and then commit to that read. Like he basically says "shrug, i dunno its weird, dont look at me i dont know". Again, another post that looks good but says absolutely nothing.
Im just gonna stop here for now, but throughout his filter, theres a lack of like interest to actually get the people he thinks is scum lynched. He kinda waffles a bit, plays a bit of mentor advice role but legitimately just hides in the shadows. His show is just a way to fluff up his posts, and if you notice, for the most part he doesnt actually progress anything in his show. Its basically him answering some questions and peacing out. So he is putting his opinion in the thread but not actually using it for any reason whatsoever to look townie.
Theres a reason Palmar wanted him to die.
this is the lynch for today
##vote wriggles
We have a town read on mocsta, which if you don't know that seems to go back to not actually following the show very closely. This read was made before the cop claim came out. That post details that despite the claim, we still thought mocsta was a member of our fair town. There could be mafia motivation to the claim, but based on our earlier read and the inconsistencies in the claim, we thought it was some sort of ploy to get people behind a DF lynch.
As for the last point, outside of weekends we have only a few hours to actively post in the evening. This also happens to be when a lot of people are away or asleep, thus the title of the show. We're playing the game by trying to advance reads, comment on current events, and basically be an open book to any question we're asked in our fan mail. If we don't look like we're pushing lynches that's because we're not, in the sense that we can't be around to spam "lynch X" for the four hours before the lynch. If people don't read the thread or want to remember what was written further back than a few hours ago, we can't really do anything about that.
The claim needs to be verified because something smells fishy, means that you thought its some sort of ploy from town? Your words and your explanation afterwards don’t make sense.
I really don’t care why you decided that this format is how you want to interact with the game, I care that you come in, answer some questions and then not use any time at all to promote your lynch targets. There’s no proactivity in your play, it’s all reactive. Like it’s actually literally all reactive. Which is extremely scummy because you want to blend in and make sure that you react appropriately and not take risks in being proactive
Oats doesn't like reading, or more likely is scum lying through their teeth, so here's the quote from the original post:
"On the other hand, we have been reading mocsta as town, and historically they have acted quite compulsively. From that perspective, your hosts are pondering whether a town mocsta would try to fake claim to ensure they got the lynch they wanted. We haven't followed their past career closely enough to know if this is something they would do, but it does seem possible."
This came out before mocsta admitted to the fake claim.
We've been pro-active in some ways for this game. We've been the only one who was really pushing your scum buddy Tubesock until the last lynch cycle. We were also one of the few people taking heat off of people we had town reads on by dismantling the shoddy and clumsy cases being made against them. Too bad this didn't work for Chezinu, but let's look at the wagon, shall we? Take your pick of Pandain or Onegu for scum:
On March 14 2019 08:00 Dandel Ion wrote: Day Four final VoteCount
Please let us know if you notice any mistakes. The deadline is Wednesday, Mar 13 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in .
We've got half the scum team pushing Chez, and then your buddy about to get lynched voting you uselessly instead of doing anything to help town.
You summed up your post on mocsta with that line so im talking about that line. Not the rest of the literal waffle in your post.
I wasnt in thread when chez got all those votes anyway, when I left it was 7 tube 4 onegu 3 chez 2 mz stop saying that makes me scum because i wasnt there
You introduced the word fishy, scum.
"The alternative is that we're over-thinking this and mocsta really does moonlight as a private eye, but overall the claim needs to be clarified since something smells off to us here at the show."
Of course mocsta needs to clarify the claim, because he claimed two different checks! It smells off, because it was probably a fake claim. Then guess what? mocsta came in and said it was a fake claim, claim clarified!
DFs not happening, so you'll do. Die.
Im sorry, this is what I actually said
he doesnt commit to a read on mocsta because of that and that seems to me like a lot of hedging kinda seeing where the town read him and then commit to that read. Like he basically says "shrug, i dunno its weird, dont look at me i dont know". Again, another post that looks good but says absolutely nothing.
smells off == smells fishy, same parlance.
I feel like you are trying to twist what I said to fit your narrative. This omgus push is nice though
On March 15 2019 08:05 kitaman27 wrote: [center]Day 5
sicklucker the Vanilla Townie has died. Grackaroni the Vanilla Townie has died. Vivax the Vanilla Townie has died.
You have 48 hours to determine the next lynch. The day ends on Saturday, Mar 16 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
LS do you still think onegu is a fakeclaiming survivor since there was 3kp? Why haven't you mentioned that since the daypost? Seems like an easy target for you rather than hopping wagons all day
I just want to point out that Wriggles coming hard on me here is 100% mafia play who knows that their only way out of today is to push the lynch on me as hard as possible and since townie looking people have already certified this style of play, aka acro, they dont look weird
On March 17 2019 04:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Crimson bandit Oatsmaster calls in with the following:
On March 17 2019 03:03 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 17 2019 01:17 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Desperate likely-mafioso Oatsmaster write in with the following nasty bit of slander:
On March 16 2019 17:16 Oatsmaster wrote: Wriggles is mafia
Lets start with this post
On March 15 2019 11:56 Mr. Wiggles wrote: In recent news, suspected mafia accomplice Onegu has claimed the role of 3rd Party Survivor. Your host is pleased that their read of 'not-town' turned out correct. However, there still remains the matter of determining the absolute truth in this case.
We are not sure that it made sense for Onegu to claim 3rd party at night. There's no threat of lynch at that point, and it is doubtful scum would shoot them given the general suspicion surrounding their business in the town. So, what's the point of the claim at that time? Is it because the claim had been previously planned by scum and they were nervous in wanting to post after the lynch? Time will tell. This is yet another point added to a growing pile of inconsistencies surrounding Onegu's claimed allegiance.
Now, if our listeners would indulge us as we take a trip down a line of inquiry smelling of fine wine, we can theorise as to the possible scum motivations of Onegu's claim.
From the reads stated in calls to the show, Onegu was widely regarded as being a good lynch candidate and a likely member of Liquidia's most notorious crime family. Without a doubt, the pressure would have been on today. So, claiming 3rd party at this point allows Onegu to take himself out of the pool of suspects and buy more time. Given that town is likely on the brink of failure and needs to lynch correctly several times in a row (see professor Acrofales' excellent analysis) this provides benefit to scum since town will now be looking into their weaker reads, where the chance of mislynch is higher. Given that town's reads are likely to become more accurate over time, this gives a higher chance of success for scum than if we had simply proceeded with the Onegu lynch directly.
With this being said, we are still evaluating how to handle Onegu. He is surely not a member of our town, but is he a threat? After the events of last night, we may have a sure lock on another scum candidate, so this question can probably be put on the back burner for now.
We think it may be in our best interest to lynch him if we find ourselves in muddy waters in the next few cycles, but we can likely leave him be for today.
he doesnt really entertain the idea that Onegu is mafia fakeclaiming 3p seriously, instead wanting to take the claim at face value but like he isnt suspicious at all. Instead, its a really long part of fluff that basically says "meh hes probably survivor for no reason and I dont want to lynch him today" scummy
Your host does seriously entertain that Onegu can be scum, which is why the bulk of the above transcript is devoted to the idea that the claim doesn't make much sense for a real 3P and that there is definite scum motivation to make that claim. We think he's more likely scum than survivor, but on the chance he is survivor, we'd rather not give scum essentially a free round of night kills.
Given Professor Acrofales' analysis, we need to lynch into scum multiple times with no mislynches. We'd rather not take the chance on Onegu when we believe there are other scum to lynch who we feel just as strongly on. That's the whole point about if our reads aren't great coming in to the second or third scum lynch we can kill him then, since the expected value works out.
On March 15 2019 12:02 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Suspected criminal mastermind Oatsmaster calls in with the following question:
On March 15 2019 11:43 Oatsmaster wrote: [quote] Why is it lylo?
We would direct their attention to the two recent journal articles published by esteemed citizen Professor Acrofales in the Liquidia Journal of Criminology:
On March 14 2019 17:54 Acrofales wrote: Tomorrow there's going to be 15 ppl alive if the KP stays the same. Pretty sure if you don't lynch scum, it's over:
Formula 1: #scum/2 rounded up (traitor doesn't count) 10 town vs 5 scum Lynch scum, kill 2 town: 8v4 Lynch scum, kill 2 town: 6v3 Lynch scum, kill 1 town: 5v2 Breathing space: town bought themselves a final mislynch.
If you lynch town: Lynch town, kill 3 town: 6v5 Lynch scum, kill 2 town: 4v4 and it's over.
So HAVE TO kill 3 scum in a row.
Formula 2: flat 3 KP, unknown number of mafia: 15-X vs X Lynch scum, kill 3 town: 12 - X vs X - 1. Lynch scum, kill 3 town: 9 - X vs X - 2. Lynch scum, kill 3 town: 6 - X vs X - 3. Lunch scum, kill 3 town??? 3- X vs X - 4.
This obviously cannot continue and the last scum must be dead here, so X <= 4 in this scenario. X < 4 would make the scumread too small for the game, IMHO. So balance says that scum should be exactly 4 here, and to win, town needs to kill all scum in a row, starting now.
So what I'll do tonight is give you a list of the 4 scummiest shits and you lynch them in order. If KP stays 3, then you are in the bottom scenario and every day is lylo. If you're in the top scenario, you can take a brief breath after killing the three scummers.
Obviously I'm expecting to be dead tomorrow, but maybe there's a backup medic. Who knows.
On March 15 2019 03:41 Acrofales wrote: Time for setup speculation part 2, now with 3p!
I looked over onegu's filter and most of my reasons for scumreading him is his utter disinterest in finding scum. That is totally explainable as 3p. However, it's also totally explainable as scum. So here goes:
If onegu is scum, see my previous post, and you just gotta kill him.
If onegu is a survivor: Formula 1, nothing changes, except that instead of it being 5v2 after lynching 3 scum, its 4v2v1. Imho, always lynch onegu at this point, unless you caught a 4th scummer redhanded doing scummy-as-fuck stuff. Otherwise, you can't distinguish between 5v2 and 4v2v1, and lynching town in the 4v2v1 situation means town loses. Lynching the claimed 3p is a "safe play". He is definitely not town, as town doesn't claim 3p unless they want to lose the game, and he might just be scum trying to escape. Note that it isn't safe to lynch onegu the 3p *before* you get down to the single NK in this formula.
Formula 2: Without a medic, we have already lost: 14-X vs X vs 1 11-X vs X - 1 vs 1 8-X vs X - 2 vs 1 5 - X vs X - 3 vs 1 If X = 4 this is endgame. So either FF blows up a scummer with a bomb (meaning scum are a bunch of fricking idiots) or we still have a medic floating about.
In either case, if we get the medic save, it is never safe to lynch onegu the 3p. It is always necessary to lynch onegu the scum. At some point town is gonna have to decide what onegu is.
Onegu the SK.
This scenario just seems really really unlikely. Non-compulsive SKs are such a broken role that I don't think we got one. Which means that *either* the SK stacked KP 3 times, for which we only have circumstantial evidence on N1, or the scumteam has only 2 KP.
Neither of these scenarios seems likely at all. So I'd rule out this scenario. Moreover, I actually checked the OP, and it says:
The town's win condition:
The town wins when all mafia are eliminated.
This seems pretty clearcut. There is no malevolent 3p in the game, or this wincon wouldn't work. So onegu is not an SK.
Your hosts at the Dead Zone Show tend to agree with this analysis, and at least the general sentiment that we must try our hardest to lynch into scum. There should be no more talk of throw-away lynches to thin lurkers or bad players at this point.
waste of time post
If that post that took a minute to write was a waste of time, what does that make your question? Please read the thread in the future, and you won't need to waste so much of other people's time. =/
On March 15 2019 12:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Ever-faithful listener and #1 Dead Zone Show fan LightningStrike calls in with the following question:
On March 15 2019 11:40 LightningStrike wrote: Dear Faithful host: What you make of Moscta's claim and actions from today? Sincerely, LS
We're still trying to wrap our heads around the claim. We agree on the general scumminess of darthfoley and will be voting there as we figure out the rest of the day. We'll be interested in seeing any letter addressed from Professor Acrofales regarding the target of today's lynch. During the night cycle he argued strongly that we need to lynch Oatsmaster, and we'd like to see some more reasoning for that target compared to df.
Now for the claim itself, we're not sure whether we believe it. There was some weirdness, a so-called 'ploy', around last night's check. Similarly, the timing of the claim was odd. Why post a claim with almost the full night ahead so that scum can decide whether to shoot you? mocsta was around for just before the flips, so that would have been the more logical time for the claim to come out.
The scum motivation for this would be if we're in a do or die situation like the Professor pointed out, and df is town. This would cement a scum victory if we followed the claimed check blindly.
On the other hand, we have been reading mocsta as town, and historically they have acted quite compulsively. From that perspective, your hosts are pondering whether a town mocsta would try to fake claim to ensure they got the lynch they wanted. We haven't followed their past career closely enough to know if this is something they would do, but it does seem possible.
The alternative is that we're over-thinking this and mocsta really does moonlight as a private eye, but overall the claim needs to be clarified since something smells off to us here at the show.
okay so this post, right before this wriggles seems to "know" that df is mafia with a lot of confidence
On March 15 2019 12:03 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Though, on reflection, is that a slip from our red friend DarthFoley?
right so like its a joke but that comes from no question at all that he thinks DF is mafia because of the red check from mocsta In the post analyzing mocsta, he states that the claim is off but he doesnt commit to a read on mocsta because of that and that seems to me like a lot of hedging kinda seeing where the town read him and then commit to that read. Like he basically says "shrug, i dunno its weird, dont look at me i dont know". Again, another post that looks good but says absolutely nothing.
Im just gonna stop here for now, but throughout his filter, theres a lack of like interest to actually get the people he thinks is scum lynched. He kinda waffles a bit, plays a bit of mentor advice role but legitimately just hides in the shadows. His show is just a way to fluff up his posts, and if you notice, for the most part he doesnt actually progress anything in his show. Its basically him answering some questions and peacing out. So he is putting his opinion in the thread but not actually using it for any reason whatsoever to look townie.
Theres a reason Palmar wanted him to die.
this is the lynch for today
##vote wriggles
We have a town read on mocsta, which if you don't know that seems to go back to not actually following the show very closely. This read was made before the cop claim came out. That post details that despite the claim, we still thought mocsta was a member of our fair town. There could be mafia motivation to the claim, but based on our earlier read and the inconsistencies in the claim, we thought it was some sort of ploy to get people behind a DF lynch.
As for the last point, outside of weekends we have only a few hours to actively post in the evening. This also happens to be when a lot of people are away or asleep, thus the title of the show. We're playing the game by trying to advance reads, comment on current events, and basically be an open book to any question we're asked in our fan mail. If we don't look like we're pushing lynches that's because we're not, in the sense that we can't be around to spam "lynch X" for the four hours before the lynch. If people don't read the thread or want to remember what was written further back than a few hours ago, we can't really do anything about that.
The claim needs to be verified because something smells fishy, means that you thought its some sort of ploy from town? Your words and your explanation afterwards don’t make sense.
I really don’t care why you decided that this format is how you want to interact with the game, I care that you come in, answer some questions and then not use any time at all to promote your lynch targets. There’s no proactivity in your play, it’s all reactive. Like it’s actually literally all reactive. Which is extremely scummy because you want to blend in and make sure that you react appropriately and not take risks in being proactive
Oats doesn't like reading, or more likely is scum lying through their teeth, so here's the quote from the original post:
"On the other hand, we have been reading mocsta as town, and historically they have acted quite compulsively. From that perspective, your hosts are pondering whether a town mocsta would try to fake claim to ensure they got the lynch they wanted. We haven't followed their past career closely enough to know if this is something they would do, but it does seem possible."
This came out before mocsta admitted to the fake claim.
We've been pro-active in some ways for this game. We've been the only one who was really pushing your scum buddy Tubesock until the last lynch cycle. We were also one of the few people taking heat off of people we had town reads on by dismantling the shoddy and clumsy cases being made against them. Too bad this didn't work for Chezinu, but let's look at the wagon, shall we? Take your pick of Pandain or Onegu for scum:
On March 14 2019 08:00 Dandel Ion wrote: Day Four final VoteCount
Please let us know if you notice any mistakes. The deadline is Wednesday, Mar 13 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in .
We've got half the scum team pushing Chez, and then your buddy about to get lynched voting you uselessly instead of doing anything to help town.
You summed up your post on mocsta with that line so im talking about that line. Not the rest of the literal waffle in your post.
I wasnt in thread when chez got all those votes anyway, when I left it was 7 tube 4 onegu 3 chez 2 mz stop saying that makes me scum because i wasnt there
You introduced the word fishy, scum.
"The alternative is that we're over-thinking this and mocsta really does moonlight as a private eye, but overall the claim needs to be clarified since something smells off to us here at the show."
Of course mocsta needs to clarify the claim, because he claimed two different checks! It smells off, because it was probably a fake claim. Then guess what? mocsta came in and said it was a fake claim, claim clarified!
DFs not happening, so you'll do. Die.
Im sorry, this is what I actually said
he doesnt commit to a read on mocsta because of that and that seems to me like a lot of hedging kinda seeing where the town read him and then commit to that read. Like he basically says "shrug, i dunno its weird, dont look at me i dont know". Again, another post that looks good but says absolutely nothing.
smells off == smells fishy, same parlance.
I feel like you are trying to twist what I said to fit your narrative. This omgus push is nice though
I read you as scum last cycle, but wanted to flip DF first.
What I said is pretty unambiguous, and now you're floundering because I'm quoting instead of going with your paraphrasing
well yes its unambiguously bad which is what I pointed out. You are sitting on the fence with mocsta going, "i dunno man its just weird thats all".
On March 17 2019 04:51 Oatsmaster wrote: I just want to point out that Wriggles coming hard on me here is 100% mafia play who knows that their only way out of today is to push the lynch on me as hard as possible and since townie looking people have already certified this style of play, aka acro, they dont look weird
Oats looking for literally any other lynch is 100% mafia who knows that a mislynch is the same thing as mafia victory. He doesn't care about how he looks coming out of this because if he kamikazes into me scum win
How do you feel that the first person to scumread me was Tube, the person you voted for yesterday?
On March 17 2019 04:51 Oatsmaster wrote: I just want to point out that Wriggles coming hard on me here is 100% mafia play who knows that their only way out of today is to push the lynch on me as hard as possible and since townie looking people have already certified this style of play, aka acro, they dont look weird
Oats looking for literally any other lynch is 100% mafia who knows that a mislynch is the same thing as mafia victory. He doesn't care about how he looks coming out of this because if he kamikazes into me scum win
So the part where I go, OKAY LETS LYNCH WRIGGLES, is looking for literally any other lynch. I see.
On March 17 2019 04:55 Rels wrote: Exo_: this game, 1% of the thread Dota 2 Mafia Mafia Killed Day 4 - 6 pages out of 281, or 2.1% of the thread Im a cop you idiot mafia --- the reboot Town Vanilla Endgamed Day 2 - 6 pages out of 281, or 2.1% of the thread Liquidmania Qualifier #1 Town Vanilla Lynched Day 1 - 3 pages out of 108, or 2.8% of the thread Hosts Revenge Mafia Town Vanilla Lynched Day 2 - 6 pages out of 172, or 3.5% of the thread MafiacalFeast I Town [b]Parity Cop Killed Night 3 - 6 pages out of 166, or 3.6% of the thread Classic Mafia Town Vanilla Killed Night 1 - 4 pages out of 193, or 2% of the thread
TS: this game, 1% of the thread The New Personality Mafia Mafia Holyflare Killed Night 2 - 3 pages out of 220, or 1.4% of the thread TL Mafia LXXIII: The Nutcracker Mafia Godfather Endgamed Day 4 - 6 pages out of 88, or 6.8% of the thread Unoriginal Name Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Lynched Day 2 - 6 pages out of 74, or 8.1% of the thread TL Mafia LXXIV: Storm Mafia 3 Town Forensics Expert Lynched Day 1 - 3 pages out of 220, or 0.6% of the thread Dota 2 Mafia Town Wraith King Survived Day 6 - 11 pages out of 382, or 3.9% of the thread A Wonderful Normal Game of Mafia Town Vanilla Lynched Day 1 - 3 pages out of 81, or 3.7% of the thread Newbie Student Mafia XXVI Mafia Roleblocker Survived Day 6 - 9 pages out of 158, or 5.7% of the thread Mafia For Busy People Town Vanilla Survived Day 3 - 2 pages out of 55, or 3.6% of the thread MafiacalFeast I Town Veteran Survived Day 6 - 12 pages out of 166, or 7.2% of the thread Medic Mafia Town Vanilla Lynched Day 1 - Cant access the thread??
darthfoley: this game, 2% of the thread Newbie Student Mafia XXVIII Mafia Vanilla Killed Night 1 - 3 pages out of 109, or 2.8% of the thread Vendee Globe 16 Mafia Town Vanilla Survived Day 3 - 13 pages out of 126, or 10.3% of the thread Heroes of the Storm Mafia Town Vanilla Killed Night 1 - 6 pages out of 77, or 7.8% of the thread Newbie Student Mafia XXVII Town Vanilla Killed Night 1 - 4 pages out of 77, or 4.2% of the thread Mafia Mafia Mafia Mafia Mafia Vanilla Survived Day 4 - 12 pages out of 68, or 17.6% of the thread Elementary Mafia Town Vanilla Endgamed Day 4 - 3 pages out of 74, or 3.1% of the thread Classic Mafia Town Vanilla Endgamed Day 3 - 17 pages out of 193, or 8.8% of the thread Medic Mafia Town Medic Survived Night 3 - Still can't access for some reason
LOL this is kinda useless
would probably be better to find out the actual thread count at the time of death on calculate it based on that. I completely dont think its true so im not going to do it but for accuracies sake
The scum motivation for this would be if we're in a do or die situation like the Professor pointed out, and df is town. This would cement a scum victory if we followed the claimed check blindly.
On the other hand, we have been reading mocsta as town, and historically they have acted quite compulsively. From that perspective, your hosts are pondering whether a town mocsta would try to fake claim to ensure they got the lynch they wanted. We haven't followed their past career closely enough to know if this is something they would do, but it does seem possible.
The alternative is that we're over-thinking this and mocsta really does moonlight as a private eye, but overall the claim needs to be clarified since something smells off to us here at the show.
Okay lets look at your actual statement wriggles. You propose the scum version. Propose the town version. And then conclude "ahh lets just wait and see"
On March 17 2019 04:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Crimson bandit Oatsmaster calls in with the following:
On March 17 2019 03:03 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 17 2019 01:17 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Desperate likely-mafioso Oatsmaster write in with the following nasty bit of slander:
On March 16 2019 17:16 Oatsmaster wrote: Wriggles is mafia
Lets start with this post [quote]
he doesnt really entertain the idea that Onegu is mafia fakeclaiming 3p seriously, instead wanting to take the claim at face value but like he isnt suspicious at all. Instead, its a really long part of fluff that basically says "meh hes probably survivor for no reason and I dont want to lynch him today" scummy
Your host does seriously entertain that Onegu can be scum, which is why the bulk of the above transcript is devoted to the idea that the claim doesn't make much sense for a real 3P and that there is definite scum motivation to make that claim. We think he's more likely scum than survivor, but on the chance he is survivor, we'd rather not give scum essentially a free round of night kills.
Given Professor Acrofales' analysis, we need to lynch into scum multiple times with no mislynches. We'd rather not take the chance on Onegu when we believe there are other scum to lynch who we feel just as strongly on. That's the whole point about if our reads aren't great coming in to the second or third scum lynch we can kill him then, since the expected value works out.
[quote] waste of time post
If that post that took a minute to write was a waste of time, what does that make your question? Please read the thread in the future, and you won't need to waste so much of other people's time. =/
[quote] okay so this post, right before this wriggles seems to "know" that df is mafia with a lot of confidence [quote] right so like its a joke but that comes from no question at all that he thinks DF is mafia because of the red check from mocsta In the post analyzing mocsta, he states that the claim is off but he doesnt commit to a read on mocsta because of that and that seems to me like a lot of hedging kinda seeing where the town read him and then commit to that read. Like he basically says "shrug, i dunno its weird, dont look at me i dont know". Again, another post that looks good but says absolutely nothing.
Im just gonna stop here for now, but throughout his filter, theres a lack of like interest to actually get the people he thinks is scum lynched. He kinda waffles a bit, plays a bit of mentor advice role but legitimately just hides in the shadows. His show is just a way to fluff up his posts, and if you notice, for the most part he doesnt actually progress anything in his show. Its basically him answering some questions and peacing out. So he is putting his opinion in the thread but not actually using it for any reason whatsoever to look townie.
Theres a reason Palmar wanted him to die.
this is the lynch for today
##vote wriggles
We have a town read on mocsta, which if you don't know that seems to go back to not actually following the show very closely. This read was made before the cop claim came out. That post details that despite the claim, we still thought mocsta was a member of our fair town. There could be mafia motivation to the claim, but based on our earlier read and the inconsistencies in the claim, we thought it was some sort of ploy to get people behind a DF lynch.
As for the last point, outside of weekends we have only a few hours to actively post in the evening. This also happens to be when a lot of people are away or asleep, thus the title of the show. We're playing the game by trying to advance reads, comment on current events, and basically be an open book to any question we're asked in our fan mail. If we don't look like we're pushing lynches that's because we're not, in the sense that we can't be around to spam "lynch X" for the four hours before the lynch. If people don't read the thread or want to remember what was written further back than a few hours ago, we can't really do anything about that.
The claim needs to be verified because something smells fishy, means that you thought its some sort of ploy from town? Your words and your explanation afterwards don’t make sense.
I really don’t care why you decided that this format is how you want to interact with the game, I care that you come in, answer some questions and then not use any time at all to promote your lynch targets. There’s no proactivity in your play, it’s all reactive. Like it’s actually literally all reactive. Which is extremely scummy because you want to blend in and make sure that you react appropriately and not take risks in being proactive
Oats doesn't like reading, or more likely is scum lying through their teeth, so here's the quote from the original post:
"On the other hand, we have been reading mocsta as town, and historically they have acted quite compulsively. From that perspective, your hosts are pondering whether a town mocsta would try to fake claim to ensure they got the lynch they wanted. We haven't followed their past career closely enough to know if this is something they would do, but it does seem possible."
This came out before mocsta admitted to the fake claim.
We've been pro-active in some ways for this game. We've been the only one who was really pushing your scum buddy Tubesock until the last lynch cycle. We were also one of the few people taking heat off of people we had town reads on by dismantling the shoddy and clumsy cases being made against them. Too bad this didn't work for Chezinu, but let's look at the wagon, shall we? Take your pick of Pandain or Onegu for scum:
On March 14 2019 08:00 Dandel Ion wrote: Day Four final VoteCount
Please let us know if you notice any mistakes. The deadline is Wednesday, Mar 13 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in .
We've got half the scum team pushing Chez, and then your buddy about to get lynched voting you uselessly instead of doing anything to help town.
You summed up your post on mocsta with that line so im talking about that line. Not the rest of the literal waffle in your post.
I wasnt in thread when chez got all those votes anyway, when I left it was 7 tube 4 onegu 3 chez 2 mz stop saying that makes me scum because i wasnt there
You introduced the word fishy, scum.
"The alternative is that we're over-thinking this and mocsta really does moonlight as a private eye, but overall the claim needs to be clarified since something smells off to us here at the show."
Of course mocsta needs to clarify the claim, because he claimed two different checks! It smells off, because it was probably a fake claim. Then guess what? mocsta came in and said it was a fake claim, claim clarified!
DFs not happening, so you'll do. Die.
Im sorry, this is what I actually said
he doesnt commit to a read on mocsta because of that and that seems to me like a lot of hedging kinda seeing where the town read him and then commit to that read. Like he basically says "shrug, i dunno its weird, dont look at me i dont know". Again, another post that looks good but says absolutely nothing.
smells off == smells fishy, same parlance.
I feel like you are trying to twist what I said to fit your narrative. This omgus push is nice though
I read you as scum last cycle, but wanted to flip DF first.
What I said is pretty unambiguous, and now you're floundering because I'm quoting instead of going with your paraphrasing
well yes its unambiguously bad which is what I pointed out. You are sitting on the fence with mocsta going, "i dunno man its just weird thats all".
What part of hard on me do you not understand?
Definitely scum. You can't read if you think "This could be scum, but I read mocsta as town and think he's fake claiming for whatever weird personal reason" is ambiguous
On March 16 2019 17:16 Oatsmaster wrote: Wriggles is mafia
Lets start with this post
On March 15 2019 11:56 Mr. Wiggles wrote: In recent news, suspected mafia accomplice Onegu has claimed the role of 3rd Party Survivor. Your host is pleased that their read of 'not-town' turned out correct. However, there still remains the matter of determining the absolute truth in this case.
We are not sure that it made sense for Onegu to claim 3rd party at night. There's no threat of lynch at that point, and it is doubtful scum would shoot them given the general suspicion surrounding their business in the town. So, what's the point of the claim at that time? Is it because the claim had been previously planned by scum and they were nervous in wanting to post after the lynch? Time will tell. This is yet another point added to a growing pile of inconsistencies surrounding Onegu's claimed allegiance.
Now, if our listeners would indulge us as we take a trip down a line of inquiry smelling of fine wine, we can theorise as to the possible scum motivations of Onegu's claim.
From the reads stated in calls to the show, Onegu was widely regarded as being a good lynch candidate and a likely member of Liquidia's most notorious crime family. Without a doubt, the pressure would have been on today. So, claiming 3rd party at this point allows Onegu to take himself out of the pool of suspects and buy more time. Given that town is likely on the brink of failure and needs to lynch correctly several times in a row (see professor Acrofales' excellent analysis) this provides benefit to scum since town will now be looking into their weaker reads, where the chance of mislynch is higher. Given that town's reads are likely to become more accurate over time, this gives a higher chance of success for scum than if we had simply proceeded with the Onegu lynch directly.
With this being said, we are still evaluating how to handle Onegu. He is surely not a member of our town, but is he a threat? After the events of last night, we may have a sure lock on another scum candidate, so this question can probably be put on the back burner for now.
We think it may be in our best interest to lynch him if we find ourselves in muddy waters in the next few cycles, but we can likely leave him be for today.
he doesnt really entertain the idea that Onegu is mafia fakeclaiming 3p seriously, instead wanting to take the claim at face value but like he isnt suspicious at all. Instead, its a really long part of fluff that basically says "meh hes probably survivor for no reason and I dont want to lynch him today" scummy
On March 15 2019 12:02 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Suspected criminal mastermind Oatsmaster calls in with the following question:
On March 15 2019 11:43 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 15 2019 11:41 darthfoley wrote:
On March 15 2019 11:31 LightningStrike wrote: Moscta it does matter only because if it's a red check we just lynch them today and if they not well you get the picture but I assuming a red check because you going to just park your vote there. ##Vote: Darthfoley
Lol he didn't vote me because he redchecked me. He didn't even check me. He's voted me because I haven't given a shit about this game and been wrong one more time than he has (I wasn't on the Sent wagon). Lynching me in LYLO for silly reasons would however, cap off this shit show of a town
Why is it lylo?
We would direct their attention to the two recent journal articles published by esteemed citizen Professor Acrofales in the Liquidia Journal of Criminology:
On March 14 2019 17:54 Acrofales wrote: Tomorrow there's going to be 15 ppl alive if the KP stays the same. Pretty sure if you don't lynch scum, it's over:
Formula 1: #scum/2 rounded up (traitor doesn't count) 10 town vs 5 scum Lynch scum, kill 2 town: 8v4 Lynch scum, kill 2 town: 6v3 Lynch scum, kill 1 town: 5v2 Breathing space: town bought themselves a final mislynch.
If you lynch town: Lynch town, kill 3 town: 6v5 Lynch scum, kill 2 town: 4v4 and it's over.
So HAVE TO kill 3 scum in a row.
Formula 2: flat 3 KP, unknown number of mafia: 15-X vs X Lynch scum, kill 3 town: 12 - X vs X - 1. Lynch scum, kill 3 town: 9 - X vs X - 2. Lynch scum, kill 3 town: 6 - X vs X - 3. Lunch scum, kill 3 town??? 3- X vs X - 4.
This obviously cannot continue and the last scum must be dead here, so X <= 4 in this scenario. X < 4 would make the scumread too small for the game, IMHO. So balance says that scum should be exactly 4 here, and to win, town needs to kill all scum in a row, starting now.
So what I'll do tonight is give you a list of the 4 scummiest shits and you lynch them in order. If KP stays 3, then you are in the bottom scenario and every day is lylo. If you're in the top scenario, you can take a brief breath after killing the three scummers.
Obviously I'm expecting to be dead tomorrow, but maybe there's a backup medic. Who knows.
On March 15 2019 03:41 Acrofales wrote: Time for setup speculation part 2, now with 3p!
I looked over onegu's filter and most of my reasons for scumreading him is his utter disinterest in finding scum. That is totally explainable as 3p. However, it's also totally explainable as scum. So here goes:
If onegu is scum, see my previous post, and you just gotta kill him.
If onegu is a survivor: Formula 1, nothing changes, except that instead of it being 5v2 after lynching 3 scum, its 4v2v1. Imho, always lynch onegu at this point, unless you caught a 4th scummer redhanded doing scummy-as-fuck stuff. Otherwise, you can't distinguish between 5v2 and 4v2v1, and lynching town in the 4v2v1 situation means town loses. Lynching the claimed 3p is a "safe play". He is definitely not town, as town doesn't claim 3p unless they want to lose the game, and he might just be scum trying to escape. Note that it isn't safe to lynch onegu the 3p *before* you get down to the single NK in this formula.
Formula 2: Without a medic, we have already lost: 14-X vs X vs 1 11-X vs X - 1 vs 1 8-X vs X - 2 vs 1 5 - X vs X - 3 vs 1 If X = 4 this is endgame. So either FF blows up a scummer with a bomb (meaning scum are a bunch of fricking idiots) or we still have a medic floating about.
In either case, if we get the medic save, it is never safe to lynch onegu the 3p. It is always necessary to lynch onegu the scum. At some point town is gonna have to decide what onegu is.
Onegu the SK.
This scenario just seems really really unlikely. Non-compulsive SKs are such a broken role that I don't think we got one. Which means that *either* the SK stacked KP 3 times, for which we only have circumstantial evidence on N1, or the scumteam has only 2 KP.
Neither of these scenarios seems likely at all. So I'd rule out this scenario. Moreover, I actually checked the OP, and it says:
The town's win condition:
The town wins when all mafia are eliminated.
This seems pretty clearcut. There is no malevolent 3p in the game, or this wincon wouldn't work. So onegu is not an SK.
Your hosts at the Dead Zone Show tend to agree with this analysis, and at least the general sentiment that we must try our hardest to lynch into scum. There should be no more talk of throw-away lynches to thin lurkers or bad players at this point.
waste of time post
On March 15 2019 12:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Ever-faithful listener and #1 Dead Zone Show fan LightningStrike calls in with the following question:
On March 15 2019 11:40 LightningStrike wrote: Dear Faithful host: What you make of Moscta's claim and actions from today? Sincerely, LS
We're still trying to wrap our heads around the claim. We agree on the general scumminess of darthfoley and will be voting there as we figure out the rest of the day. We'll be interested in seeing any letter addressed from Professor Acrofales regarding the target of today's lynch. During the night cycle he argued strongly that we need to lynch Oatsmaster, and we'd like to see some more reasoning for that target compared to df.
Now for the claim itself, we're not sure whether we believe it. There was some weirdness, a so-called 'ploy', around last night's check. Similarly, the timing of the claim was odd. Why post a claim with almost the full night ahead so that scum can decide whether to shoot you? mocsta was around for just before the flips, so that would have been the more logical time for the claim to come out.
The scum motivation for this would be if we're in a do or die situation like the Professor pointed out, and df is town. This would cement a scum victory if we followed the claimed check blindly.
On the other hand, we have been reading mocsta as town, and historically they have acted quite compulsively. From that perspective, your hosts are pondering whether a town mocsta would try to fake claim to ensure they got the lynch they wanted. We haven't followed their past career closely enough to know if this is something they would do, but it does seem possible.
The alternative is that we're over-thinking this and mocsta really does moonlight as a private eye, but overall the claim needs to be clarified since something smells off to us here at the show.
okay so this post, right before this wriggles seems to "know" that df is mafia with a lot of confidence
On March 15 2019 12:03 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Though, on reflection, is that a slip from our red friend DarthFoley?
right so like its a joke but that comes from no question at all that he thinks DF is mafia because of the red check from mocsta In the post analyzing mocsta, he states that the claim is off but he doesnt commit to a read on mocsta because of that and that seems to me like a lot of hedging kinda seeing where the town read him and then commit to that read. Like he basically says "shrug, i dunno its weird, dont look at me i dont know". Again, another post that looks good but says absolutely nothing.
Im just gonna stop here for now, but throughout his filter, theres a lack of like interest to actually get the people he thinks is scum lynched. He kinda waffles a bit, plays a bit of mentor advice role but legitimately just hides in the shadows. His show is just a way to fluff up his posts, and if you notice, for the most part he doesnt actually progress anything in his show. Its basically him answering some questions and peacing out. So he is putting his opinion in the thread but not actually using it for any reason whatsoever to look townie.
Theres a reason Palmar wanted him to die.
this is the lynch for today
##vote wriggles
Like, this is a lot of words, but this is so bad. For context, before that case, the last Wiggles' posts spree was these 7 posts: + Show Spoiler +
On March 15 2019 11:35 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Good evening to our long time fans and first time listeners alike. You're tuned in to the Dead Zone Show, Liquidia's number one and only late night radio program. I'm your host Mr. Wiggles, and it's truly a pleasure to still be with you here tonight, whether you're patiently counting down the time until blood runs red in the streets once again or frantically looking to avert your scum buddies' imminent slaughter.
We'll be opening the line up right away to our dedicated callers; for the first time in Dead Zone Show history we find our fan mail bag empty.
On March 15 2019 11:56 Mr. Wiggles wrote: In recent news, suspected mafia accomplice Onegu has claimed the role of 3rd Party Survivor. Your host is pleased that their read of 'not-town' turned out correct. However, there still remains the matter of determining the absolute truth in this case.
We are not sure that it made sense for Onegu to claim 3rd party at night. There's no threat of lynch at that point, and it is doubtful scum would shoot them given the general suspicion surrounding their business in the town. So, what's the point of the claim at that time? Is it because the claim had been previously planned by scum and they were nervous in wanting to post after the lynch? Time will tell. This is yet another point added to a growing pile of inconsistencies surrounding Onegu's claimed allegiance.
Now, if our listeners would indulge us as we take a trip down a line of inquiry smelling of fine wine, we can theorise as to the possible scum motivations of Onegu's claim.
From the reads stated in calls to the show, Onegu was widely regarded as being a good lynch candidate and a likely member of Liquidia's most notorious crime family. Without a doubt, the pressure would have been on today. So, claiming 3rd party at this point allows Onegu to take himself out of the pool of suspects and buy more time. Given that town is likely on the brink of failure and needs to lynch correctly several times in a row (see professor Acrofales' excellent analysis) this provides benefit to scum since town will now be looking into their weaker reads, where the chance of mislynch is higher. Given that town's reads are likely to become more accurate over time, this gives a higher chance of success for scum than if we had simply proceeded with the Onegu lynch directly.
With this being said, we are still evaluating how to handle Onegu. He is surely not a member of our town, but is he a threat? After the events of last night, we may have a sure lock on another scum candidate, so this question can probably be put on the back burner for now.
We think it may be in our best interest to lynch him if we find ourselves in muddy waters in the next few cycles, but we can likely leave him be for today.
On March 15 2019 12:02 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Suspected criminal mastermind Oatsmaster calls in with the following question:
On March 15 2019 11:31 LightningStrike wrote: Moscta it does matter only because if it's a red check we just lynch them today and if they not well you get the picture but I assuming a red check because you going to just park your vote there. ##Vote: Darthfoley
Lol he didn't vote me because he redchecked me. He didn't even check me. He's voted me because I haven't given a shit about this game and been wrong one more time than he has (I wasn't on the Sent wagon). Lynching me in LYLO for silly reasons would however, cap off this shit show of a town
Why is it lylo?
We would direct their attention to the two recent journal articles published by esteemed citizen Professor Acrofales in the Liquidia Journal of Criminology:
On March 14 2019 17:54 Acrofales wrote: Tomorrow there's going to be 15 ppl alive if the KP stays the same. Pretty sure if you don't lynch scum, it's over:
Formula 1: #scum/2 rounded up (traitor doesn't count) 10 town vs 5 scum Lynch scum, kill 2 town: 8v4 Lynch scum, kill 2 town: 6v3 Lynch scum, kill 1 town: 5v2 Breathing space: town bought themselves a final mislynch.
If you lynch town: Lynch town, kill 3 town: 6v5 Lynch scum, kill 2 town: 4v4 and it's over.
So HAVE TO kill 3 scum in a row.
Formula 2: flat 3 KP, unknown number of mafia: 15-X vs X Lynch scum, kill 3 town: 12 - X vs X - 1. Lynch scum, kill 3 town: 9 - X vs X - 2. Lynch scum, kill 3 town: 6 - X vs X - 3. Lunch scum, kill 3 town??? 3- X vs X - 4.
This obviously cannot continue and the last scum must be dead here, so X <= 4 in this scenario. X < 4 would make the scumread too small for the game, IMHO. So balance says that scum should be exactly 4 here, and to win, town needs to kill all scum in a row, starting now.
So what I'll do tonight is give you a list of the 4 scummiest shits and you lynch them in order. If KP stays 3, then you are in the bottom scenario and every day is lylo. If you're in the top scenario, you can take a brief breath after killing the three scummers.
Obviously I'm expecting to be dead tomorrow, but maybe there's a backup medic. Who knows.
On March 15 2019 03:41 Acrofales wrote: Time for setup speculation part 2, now with 3p!
I looked over onegu's filter and most of my reasons for scumreading him is his utter disinterest in finding scum. That is totally explainable as 3p. However, it's also totally explainable as scum. So here goes:
If onegu is scum, see my previous post, and you just gotta kill him.
If onegu is a survivor: Formula 1, nothing changes, except that instead of it being 5v2 after lynching 3 scum, its 4v2v1. Imho, always lynch onegu at this point, unless you caught a 4th scummer redhanded doing scummy-as-fuck stuff. Otherwise, you can't distinguish between 5v2 and 4v2v1, and lynching town in the 4v2v1 situation means town loses. Lynching the claimed 3p is a "safe play". He is definitely not town, as town doesn't claim 3p unless they want to lose the game, and he might just be scum trying to escape. Note that it isn't safe to lynch onegu the 3p *before* you get down to the single NK in this formula.
Formula 2: Without a medic, we have already lost: 14-X vs X vs 1 11-X vs X - 1 vs 1 8-X vs X - 2 vs 1 5 - X vs X - 3 vs 1 If X = 4 this is endgame. So either FF blows up a scummer with a bomb (meaning scum are a bunch of fricking idiots) or we still have a medic floating about.
In either case, if we get the medic save, it is never safe to lynch onegu the 3p. It is always necessary to lynch onegu the scum. At some point town is gonna have to decide what onegu is.
Onegu the SK.
This scenario just seems really really unlikely. Non-compulsive SKs are such a broken role that I don't think we got one. Which means that *either* the SK stacked KP 3 times, for which we only have circumstantial evidence on N1, or the scumteam has only 2 KP.
Neither of these scenarios seems likely at all. So I'd rule out this scenario. Moreover, I actually checked the OP, and it says:
The town's win condition:
The town wins when all mafia are eliminated.
This seems pretty clearcut. There is no malevolent 3p in the game, or this wincon wouldn't work. So onegu is not an SK.
Your hosts at the Dead Zone Show tend to agree with this analysis, and at least the general sentiment that we must try our hardest to lynch into scum. There should be no more talk of throw-away lynches to thin lurkers or bad players at this point.
On March 15 2019 12:03 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Though, on reflection, is that a slip from our red friend DarthFoley?
On March 15 2019 12:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Ever-faithful listener and #1 Dead Zone Show fan LightningStrike calls in with the following question:
On March 15 2019 11:40 LightningStrike wrote: Dear Faithful host: What you make of Moscta's claim and actions from today? Sincerely, LS
We're still trying to wrap our heads around the claim. We agree on the general scumminess of darthfoley and will be voting there as we figure out the rest of the day. We'll be interested in seeing any letter addressed from Professor Acrofales regarding the target of today's lynch. During the night cycle he argued strongly that we need to lynch Oatsmaster, and we'd like to see some more reasoning for that target compared to df.
Now for the claim itself, we're not sure whether we believe it. There was some weirdness, a so-called 'ploy', around last night's check. Similarly, the timing of the claim was odd. Why post a claim with almost the full night ahead so that scum can decide whether to shoot you? mocsta was around for just before the flips, so that would have been the more logical time for the claim to come out.
The scum motivation for this would be if we're in a do or die situation like the Professor pointed out, and df is town. This would cement a scum victory if we followed the claimed check blindly.
On the other hand, we have been reading mocsta as town, and historically they have acted quite compulsively. From that perspective, your hosts are pondering whether a town mocsta would try to fake claim to ensure they got the lynch they wanted. We haven't followed their past career closely enough to know if this is something they would do, but it does seem possible.
The alternative is that we're over-thinking this and mocsta really does moonlight as a private eye, but overall the claim needs to be clarified since something smells off to us here at the show.
On March 15 2019 12:24 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Death row inmate darthfoley calls in with the following:
On March 15 2019 12:03 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Though, on reflection, is that a slip from our red friend DarthFoley?
Yes lynch me and find out
On March 15 2019 13:36 Mr. Wiggles wrote: We'll be shutting down the lines early for tonight's episode of the Dead Zone Show to catch some shut eye. Sweet dreams Liquidia. Remember to send in your letters so we can read them on air live during the next show.
We'll see you tomorrow evening!
And what do we find in Oats' case? 4 out of the 7 posts are used to justify his scumread on Wiggles. It looks like he just opened his filter, went to the last page, and made a case with what he found. Then his conclusion starts with: "Im just gonna stop here for now, but throughout his filter, theres a lack of like interest to actually get the people he thinks is scum lynched" Stop where? You just quoted his few last posts, you didn't show anything that proved you went "throughout his filter".
Nah dude I should go to two weeks ago to make the case for today right? I’ll do it later if you want to see if I’m right. Which I am
On March 17 2019 04:05 Tubesock wrote: I think Acrofales is the only real blue left. Maybe either FF or Rels too it not both.
Pandain is blue claimed. He shot HF remember...
I know you haven’t been reading. But I cased him, so if you read you’d know I think he’s mafia day vig. I was voting him until about two minutes ago.
I believe your claim mostly when you said you wanted to do something truly baller and survive without claiming. So, I don’t have any problems with keeping you alive.
Why are you more persuaded by the wiggles case than the oats case Tube?
I don’t think Wiggles has played towny. I started disliking him once he started doing the radio show, but he was getting the benefit of the doubt because we voted similarly. But recently I feel like he’s following sentiment.
I thought Oatsmaster was scum for sure for awhile. My doubts started when he didn’t kill me the day we lynched Chezinu. He had every opportunity and plenty of justifications, but he stayed on you. Then kept me in his scum lists. It weirded me out a bit, and this day cycle I think I like most his posts. Except the ones where he tells Acro to just believe him or pull his head out. But town people seem to like saying that shit too.
This is it? First, what does it change that he stayed on Meapak instead of you? If you're town, maybe his vote would have been the difference between you dying or a town veteran dying; does it matter? Second, I don't see what you're finding good about his posts. He's clearly just trying to survive, he picked a target and is trying to get him. His "case" was cherry-pick 4 back-to-back recent Wiggles posts then pasting the convenient conclusion of "Wiggles is passive".
On March 17 2019 05:15 Rels wrote: I hate this Oats / Tubesock duo trying to deflect the lynch. Scums are showing face
On March 17 2019 04:21 Tubesock wrote:
On March 17 2019 04:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 17 2019 04:09 Tubesock wrote:
On March 17 2019 04:06 Onegu wrote:
On March 17 2019 04:05 Tubesock wrote: I think Acrofales is the only real blue left. Maybe either FF or Rels too it not both.
Pandain is blue claimed. He shot HF remember...
I know you haven’t been reading. But I cased him, so if you read you’d know I think he’s mafia day vig. I was voting him until about two minutes ago.
I believe your claim mostly when you said you wanted to do something truly baller and survive without claiming. So, I don’t have any problems with keeping you alive.
Why are you more persuaded by the wiggles case than the oats case Tube?
I don’t think Wiggles has played towny. I started disliking him once he started doing the radio show, but he was getting the benefit of the doubt because we voted similarly. But recently I feel like he’s following sentiment.
I thought Oatsmaster was scum for sure for awhile. My doubts started when he didn’t kill me the day we lynched Chezinu. He had every opportunity and plenty of justifications, but he stayed on you. Then kept me in his scum lists. It weirded me out a bit, and this day cycle I think I like most his posts. Except the ones where he tells Acro to just believe him or pull his head out. But town people seem to like saying that shit too.
This is it? First, what does it change that he stayed on Meapak instead of you? If you're town, maybe his vote would have been the difference between you dying or a town veteran dying; does it matter? Second, I don't see what you're finding good about his posts. He's clearly just trying to survive, he picked a target and is trying to get him. His "case" was cherry-pick 4 back-to-back recent Wiggles posts then pasting the convenient conclusion of "Wiggles is passive".
On March 11 2019 14:12 Oatsmaster wrote: Like acro completely didn’t need to claim here, his shot was anonymous and yeah cmon. Ace proposing nonsense and not thinking this through is super scummy
We agree with this sentiment. If Acro was fake-claiming and had some other kind of vig/KP role, there's basically no reason to come out with that explanation. Further, if the role was a lie as town or scum, there were several better targets for a KP on N2.
As scum, he doesn't necessarily have to claim the KP, and could have kept it a secret. On the other hand, killing Damdred doesn't exactly scream scum motivation, especially if the role claim is truthful. That's why the claim comes out as a wash for your host, and we prefer to base our read on Acro based on his past behaviour. We agree lynching into him would be silly.
We hope that sometimes listener Ace will come to his senses about this matter.
Interestingly, wriggles implies that Ace is town and is just spouting nonsense like he knows too much. Why did you think ace was town wriggles?
On March 17 2019 05:15 Rels wrote: I hate this Oats / Tubesock duo trying to deflect the lynch. Scums are showing face
On March 17 2019 04:21 Tubesock wrote:
On March 17 2019 04:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 17 2019 04:09 Tubesock wrote:
On March 17 2019 04:06 Onegu wrote:
On March 17 2019 04:05 Tubesock wrote: I think Acrofales is the only real blue left. Maybe either FF or Rels too it not both.
Pandain is blue claimed. He shot HF remember...
I know you haven’t been reading. But I cased him, so if you read you’d know I think he’s mafia day vig. I was voting him until about two minutes ago.
I believe your claim mostly when you said you wanted to do something truly baller and survive without claiming. So, I don’t have any problems with keeping you alive.
Why are you more persuaded by the wiggles case than the oats case Tube?
I don’t think Wiggles has played towny. I started disliking him once he started doing the radio show, but he was getting the benefit of the doubt because we voted similarly. But recently I feel like he’s following sentiment.
I thought Oatsmaster was scum for sure for awhile. My doubts started when he didn’t kill me the day we lynched Chezinu. He had every opportunity and plenty of justifications, but he stayed on you. Then kept me in his scum lists. It weirded me out a bit, and this day cycle I think I like most his posts. Except the ones where he tells Acro to just believe him or pull his head out. But town people seem to like saying that shit too.
This is it? First, what does it change that he stayed on Meapak instead of you? If you're town, maybe his vote would have been the difference between you dying or a town veteran dying; does it matter? Second, I don't see what you're finding good about his posts. He's clearly just trying to survive, he picked a target and is trying to get him. His "case" was cherry-pick 4 back-to-back recent Wiggles posts then pasting the convenient conclusion of "Wiggles is passive".
You don’t seem suspicious
Of wriggles
yep, I think he's town. Why are you not suspicious of TS making a 180 on his read on you for bad reasons? Everything that made TS scum yesterday still makes him scum today.
Because he doesn’t want to lynch me anymore? We are at a game state where mafia 100% want to lynch me so anyone who doesn’t want to lynch me is immediately like way more townie
On March 17 2019 05:15 Rels wrote: I hate this Oats / Tubesock duo trying to deflect the lynch. Scums are showing face
On March 17 2019 04:21 Tubesock wrote:
On March 17 2019 04:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 17 2019 04:09 Tubesock wrote:
On March 17 2019 04:06 Onegu wrote:
On March 17 2019 04:05 Tubesock wrote: I think Acrofales is the only real blue left. Maybe either FF or Rels too it not both.
Pandain is blue claimed. He shot HF remember...
I know you haven’t been reading. But I cased him, so if you read you’d know I think he’s mafia day vig. I was voting him until about two minutes ago.
I believe your claim mostly when you said you wanted to do something truly baller and survive without claiming. So, I don’t have any problems with keeping you alive.
Why are you more persuaded by the wiggles case than the oats case Tube?
I don’t think Wiggles has played towny. I started disliking him once he started doing the radio show, but he was getting the benefit of the doubt because we voted similarly. But recently I feel like he’s following sentiment.
I thought Oatsmaster was scum for sure for awhile. My doubts started when he didn’t kill me the day we lynched Chezinu. He had every opportunity and plenty of justifications, but he stayed on you. Then kept me in his scum lists. It weirded me out a bit, and this day cycle I think I like most his posts. Except the ones where he tells Acro to just believe him or pull his head out. But town people seem to like saying that shit too.
This is it? First, what does it change that he stayed on Meapak instead of you? If you're town, maybe his vote would have been the difference between you dying or a town veteran dying; does it matter? Second, I don't see what you're finding good about his posts. He's clearly just trying to survive, he picked a target and is trying to get him. His "case" was cherry-pick 4 back-to-back recent Wiggles posts then pasting the convenient conclusion of "Wiggles is passive".
You don’t seem suspicious
Of wriggles
yep, I think he's town. Why are you not suspicious of TS making a 180 on his read on you for bad reasons? Everything that made TS scum yesterday still makes him scum today.
Anyway so you kinda brushed aside the case without giving a real reason why it’s bad. Do you think wriggles has been proactive? Do you think that those dead zone posts are good posts and why?
On March 17 2019 05:15 Rels wrote: I hate this Oats / Tubesock duo trying to deflect the lynch. Scums are showing face
On March 17 2019 04:21 Tubesock wrote:
On March 17 2019 04:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 17 2019 04:09 Tubesock wrote:
On March 17 2019 04:06 Onegu wrote: [quote]
Pandain is blue claimed. He shot HF remember...
I know you haven’t been reading. But I cased him, so if you read you’d know I think he’s mafia day vig. I was voting him until about two minutes ago.
I believe your claim mostly when you said you wanted to do something truly baller and survive without claiming. So, I don’t have any problems with keeping you alive.
Why are you more persuaded by the wiggles case than the oats case Tube?
I don’t think Wiggles has played towny. I started disliking him once he started doing the radio show, but he was getting the benefit of the doubt because we voted similarly. But recently I feel like he’s following sentiment.
I thought Oatsmaster was scum for sure for awhile. My doubts started when he didn’t kill me the day we lynched Chezinu. He had every opportunity and plenty of justifications, but he stayed on you. Then kept me in his scum lists. It weirded me out a bit, and this day cycle I think I like most his posts. Except the ones where he tells Acro to just believe him or pull his head out. But town people seem to like saying that shit too.
This is it? First, what does it change that he stayed on Meapak instead of you? If you're town, maybe his vote would have been the difference between you dying or a town veteran dying; does it matter? Second, I don't see what you're finding good about his posts. He's clearly just trying to survive, he picked a target and is trying to get him. His "case" was cherry-pick 4 back-to-back recent Wiggles posts then pasting the convenient conclusion of "Wiggles is passive".
You don’t seem suspicious
Of wriggles
yep, I think he's town. Why are you not suspicious of TS making a 180 on his read on you for bad reasons? Everything that made TS scum yesterday still makes him scum today.
Anyway so you kinda brushed aside the case without giving a real reason why it’s bad. Do you think wriggles has been proactive? Do you think that those dead zone posts are good posts and why?
I've explained exactly why it's bad lol I think his dead zone posts are pretty good. He's clearly having fun and playing his own little game, but he's not hiding behind it to not give his thoughts. His logic is easy to follow and makes sense.
You’ve said that the creation of the case was bad but not the content. That’s not the point of my case, the point is that hes not doing anything with it. Mafia have logic and they don’t want to hide their thoughts. They just don’t want to lynch mafia. Like thats their only goal. And wriggles has done nothing to lynch mafia
On March 17 2019 05:48 darthfoley wrote: Maybe I’m too far down the rabbit hole tunneling but the lack of genuine conversation after I cased MZ and hyperfocus on Oats/Wiggles makes me think I’ve got it
You may have got it, we aren’t lynching mz today to vote for wriggles, the guy mz is defending
On March 17 2019 05:15 Rels wrote: I hate this Oats / Tubesock duo trying to deflect the lynch. Scums are showing face
On March 17 2019 04:21 Tubesock wrote:
On March 17 2019 04:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 17 2019 04:09 Tubesock wrote:
On March 17 2019 04:06 Onegu wrote: [quote]
Pandain is blue claimed. He shot HF remember...
I know you haven’t been reading. But I cased him, so if you read you’d know I think he’s mafia day vig. I was voting him until about two minutes ago.
I believe your claim mostly when you said you wanted to do something truly baller and survive without claiming. So, I don’t have any problems with keeping you alive.
Why are you more persuaded by the wiggles case than the oats case Tube?
I don’t think Wiggles has played towny. I started disliking him once he started doing the radio show, but he was getting the benefit of the doubt because we voted similarly. But recently I feel like he’s following sentiment.
I thought Oatsmaster was scum for sure for awhile. My doubts started when he didn’t kill me the day we lynched Chezinu. He had every opportunity and plenty of justifications, but he stayed on you. Then kept me in his scum lists. It weirded me out a bit, and this day cycle I think I like most his posts. Except the ones where he tells Acro to just believe him or pull his head out. But town people seem to like saying that shit too.
This is it? First, what does it change that he stayed on Meapak instead of you? If you're town, maybe his vote would have been the difference between you dying or a town veteran dying; does it matter? Second, I don't see what you're finding good about his posts. He's clearly just trying to survive, he picked a target and is trying to get him. His "case" was cherry-pick 4 back-to-back recent Wiggles posts then pasting the convenient conclusion of "Wiggles is passive".
You don’t seem suspicious
Of wriggles
yep, I think he's town. Why are you not suspicious of TS making a 180 on his read on you for bad reasons? Everything that made TS scum yesterday still makes him scum today.
Because he doesn’t want to lynch me anymore? We are at a game state where mafia 100% want to lynch me so anyone who doesn’t want to lynch me is immediately like way more townie
So either the people who want you dead are or aren't scum, which is it oats? Bc at this point you've said both things in the past few hours.
People that don’t want me dead aren’t scum. Some of the people that want me dead are scum
On March 17 2019 05:15 Rels wrote: I hate this Oats / Tubesock duo trying to deflect the lynch. Scums are showing face
On March 17 2019 04:21 Tubesock wrote:
On March 17 2019 04:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 17 2019 04:09 Tubesock wrote: [quote]
I know you haven’t been reading. But I cased him, so if you read you’d know I think he’s mafia day vig. I was voting him until about two minutes ago.
I believe your claim mostly when you said you wanted to do something truly baller and survive without claiming. So, I don’t have any problems with keeping you alive.
Why are you more persuaded by the wiggles case than the oats case Tube?
I don’t think Wiggles has played towny. I started disliking him once he started doing the radio show, but he was getting the benefit of the doubt because we voted similarly. But recently I feel like he’s following sentiment.
I thought Oatsmaster was scum for sure for awhile. My doubts started when he didn’t kill me the day we lynched Chezinu. He had every opportunity and plenty of justifications, but he stayed on you. Then kept me in his scum lists. It weirded me out a bit, and this day cycle I think I like most his posts. Except the ones where he tells Acro to just believe him or pull his head out. But town people seem to like saying that shit too.
This is it? First, what does it change that he stayed on Meapak instead of you? If you're town, maybe his vote would have been the difference between you dying or a town veteran dying; does it matter? Second, I don't see what you're finding good about his posts. He's clearly just trying to survive, he picked a target and is trying to get him. His "case" was cherry-pick 4 back-to-back recent Wiggles posts then pasting the convenient conclusion of "Wiggles is passive".
You don’t seem suspicious
Of wriggles
yep, I think he's town. Why are you not suspicious of TS making a 180 on his read on you for bad reasons? Everything that made TS scum yesterday still makes him scum today.
Because he doesn’t want to lynch me anymore? We are at a game state where mafia 100% want to lynch me so anyone who doesn’t want to lynch me is immediately like way more townie
So either the people who want you dead are or aren't scum, which is it oats? Bc at this point you've said both things in the past few hours.
People that don’t want me dead aren’t scum. Some of the people that want me dead are scum
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Slam and ExO aren't here and not voted either. Very concerning.
TBH there is a very high chance ExO is scum just lurking around. I'm sure he'll get back just in time to vote too Slam's votes last EOD were pretty townie though, especially if TS is scum
This first sentence is where I’m starting to head as well. I townread ExO earlier for not giving a shit but the fact that he hasn’t done anything in a probable LYLO cycle makes him much more likely to be scum at this point. Perfect for when he drops his vote at :59
On March 17 2019 05:48 darthfoley wrote: Maybe I’m too far down the rabbit hole tunneling but the lack of genuine conversation after I cased MZ and hyperfocus on Oats/Wiggles makes me think I’ve got it
You may have got it, we aren’t lynching mz today to vote for wriggles, the guy mz is defending
So where was this lynch wiggles gusto like a week ago oats? You still haven't talked about that. And now that wiggles has actually contributed you want to kill him? It just does not add up.
I wanted to lynch bh like this a week ago.
I’m not sure how to make you happy mz. I do nothing I’m mafia, I do something I’m mafia..
On March 17 2019 05:48 darthfoley wrote: Maybe I’m too far down the rabbit hole tunneling but the lack of genuine conversation after I cased MZ and hyperfocus on Oats/Wiggles makes me think I’ve got it
You may have got it, we aren’t lynching mz today to vote for wriggles, the guy mz is defending
So where was this lynch wiggles gusto like a week ago oats? You still haven't talked about that. And now that wiggles has actually contributed you want to kill him? It just does not add up.
I wanted to lynch bh like this a week ago.
I’m not sure how to make you happy mz. I do nothing I’m mafia, I do something I’m mafia..
Also yeah it’s extremely motivating to being on the verge of being mislynched
On March 06 2019 17:24 Holyflare wrote: The people voting me are on the biggest cop out lynch of 2019. I bet they're the same people that whined that BH didn't get shot too.
What benefit does my flip bring other than drawing you closer to end game? BH at least gives you the information about wagons. I'm also pumping out content comparatively to BH who is just sitting there with the most information in the game about his wagon and instead he's still just repeating to kill him. You may not agree with what I'm writing but that's your choice.
You can look at MZ's spreadsheet to see how stupid lynching palmar would have been if I was mafia. I'm not stupid as mafia, I demand thread consensus and people town reading me because it's the path of least resistance.
I will look into you Holyflare voters and if I see that you complained that BH isn't dead I will know your motivation about lynching me is completely feigned.
Literally wanna lynch holyflare off this post alone
Just for giggles, who would you have lynched if you were mafia holyflare?
Knows HF is not mafia by the phrasing of the question
EPT
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