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On March 06 2019 18:52 Tubesock wrote:
I’m 180ing on my Acrofales townread. I think the anger at HF is faked and made to look like he has a legitimate reason to lynch HF. I don’t see how someone can be that angry about something that they knew would happen. HF said he’d kill Palmar most the day, it was pretty clear. I’d expect the anger at the HF voters, where it should go. (Exactly like the trump wall).
People often say that people do things are either stupid or mafia. If Acrofales really thought HF was mafia, he’d just be spouting how HF is mafia with evidence, and the voters are the retards. But no, he knows HF is town, so he’ll say let’s kill him for being antiTown. I’d rather a town HF that fucks up, than a dead town HF. Plus, that would have been such a great play if Palmar was mafia. Would have been an epic play in the last tl game.
Wiggles, you’ve been scumming me since before I even scummed Trfel. Yet you’ve never voted me. Why not? You seem pretty convinced, you have some others who agree. Think about what you say because I’m going to have great satisfaction copy and pasting things from your case on me in my defense.
What a worthless post, lol.
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On March 06 2019 18:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 18:43 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 06 2019 18:41 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On March 06 2019 18:39 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 06 2019 18:37 Acrofales wrote:On March 02 2019 10:31 Holyflare wrote:On March 02 2019 10:29 kitaman27 wrote:On March 02 2019 10:27 Holyflare wrote:On February 18 2019 06:38 calgar wrote:
+ I feel like this guy wanted in and was abandoned. He had to drop out. Trust me, if I abandoned somebody it would be Koshi. Well at least he's confirmed town now  This?! Thanks for pointing it out. I don't understand the jump unless you already know koshi is town. I thought it was a joke being returned at Kita. But you were serious? TMI shining through. Add it to the many small reasons you a re mafia and we really need to kill you. I think he's town and just doing some little anti-town things. Seems like the kind of guy who has to be the centre of attention and that would fit. Please for the love of god explain to me how lying multiple times is only a little anti town? Because of what he was lying about. If goal 1 is to make the game about holyflare and goal 2 is to win for town lying about stuff like that (if it was a lie) makes sense. I thought if you were replying to a 2 line post you'd at least go as far as reading the second line of it. HOW THE FUCK IS THAT PLAYING FOR THE TOWN. If I am mafia and I can make the entire game my plaything to hide my scum team thats awesome play. To make it all about me when I am town is a fucking asshole shit move. It auto means you will invalidate others opinions (who could be right) just because you disagree. And lying? Especially more than once is insanely fucking scummy. Especially when they don't make sense.
This is a pretty dedicated bus. I might have to rethink the scumread on you.
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On March 06 2019 20:33 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 20:30 WaveofShadow wrote:
So, the past few hours are the absolute best indication why HF has to die. I don't even give a shit about his alignment anymore I'm just sick of hearing from and about him.
So much time wasted. Put your votes on him and get your minds off him. Move on. Weird post. Its like you want everyone not to talk about hf but at the same time you want everyone to talk about him. Let's kill ace the guy's clearly scum.
No. We're killing HF and I promise I will tell you exactly why in a couple of hours. In the meantime:
On March 06 2019 19:01 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 18:53 Acrofales wrote:On March 06 2019 18:43 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 06 2019 18:41 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On March 06 2019 18:39 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 06 2019 18:37 Acrofales wrote:On March 02 2019 10:31 Holyflare wrote:On March 02 2019 10:29 kitaman27 wrote:On March 02 2019 10:27 Holyflare wrote:On February 18 2019 06:38 calgar wrote:
+ I feel like this guy wanted in and was abandoned. He had to drop out. Trust me, if I abandoned somebody it would be Koshi. Well at least he's confirmed town now This?! Thanks for pointing it out. I don't understand the jump unless you already know koshi is town. I thought it was a joke being returned at Kita. But you were serious? TMI shining through. Add it to the many small reasons you a re mafia and we really need to kill you. I think he's town and just doing some little anti-town things. Seems like the kind of guy who has to be the centre of attention and that would fit. Please for the love of god explain to me how lying multiple times is only a little anti town? Because of what he was lying about. If goal 1 is to make the game about holyflare and goal 2 is to win for town lying about stuff like that (if it was a lie) makes sense. I thought if you were replying to a 2 line post you'd at least go as far as reading the second line of it. If goal 1 is to make the game about holyflare he has succeeded. But goal 1 and goal 2 only coincide if the town leader does pro-town things. Holyflare isn't doing pro-town things. He's doing pro-mafia things. You think goal 1 cannot exist if holyflare is mafia? The only thing he's done that is specifically pro mafia rather than just being vaguely anti-town is lynch Palmar, and that could have just been a bad read.
I know you're new here, but what the hell is this? Doing "specifically pro-mafia stuff" is stuff town doesn't do. You say it's a bad read, but him killing Palmar was almost entirely off his ego being too big for Palmar to beat him in a mayor election. There isn't even any townie reasoning there, it is entirely based on "goal 1": the town isn't big enough for the two of them, so he kills Palmar. It wasn't a "bad read". It wasn't a read at all.
Doing shit "for the lulz" is fine, up until it gets town leaders killed. The fact that you don't see that...
Moreover, WoS is right. Any lylo with HF alive is gonna be a trainwreck for town. There's really two ways this can go down:
(1) HF is scum and they've shot people til a clueless townie (you?) is left who is eating out of the palm of his hand. You vote along with him to kill your townmate. Game over.
(2) HF is town, and they've shot people til an angry townie (me?) is left who has wanted to lynch HF from D2 onwards but couldn't and now finally gets his chance. Angry townie votes HF, the lurking scum votes HF, and they still win.
It's a massive useless wifom bomb and a situation town should actively try to avoid. Bonus points in this case, because we're in situation (1) and lynching HF lynches scum and keeps us away from lylo a bit longer. Yay us.
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On March 06 2019 20:46 Vivax wrote:
It's like WoS spoke my mind. Contrary to yesterday, today I'm feeling a HF lynch.
Amen brother! I knew you were town
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On March 06 2019 20:50 Holyflare wrote:
If any of you twats that are voting me are actually town then you've been bamboozled to push the most pro mafia strat lynch you can. Look at them all come out of the woodwork.
If you're town then maybe next time don't let your ego get in the way of playing the game. But don't worry, you aren't.
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On March 06 2019 21:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:I really think we should lynch Acrofales and i don't think anything is going to change my mind this phase anymore. He has now given himself a perfect narrative to do absolutely nothing than sound like a broken record repeating Holyflare is mafia because he did a stupid thing. The problem is if you don't kill him right now even if we lynch another mafia after N2 too many influential players are going to be dead and he will simply yell over anyone who's left and town and you will get irritated and lose interest to play. I know this because it's how i used to play as scum. Here is a list why Acrofales is mafia: - He called out Grackaroni for making a useless list post and then continued doing nothing but listing lurkers / low volume posters for like next 24 hours. Neither of those are in itself necessarily scummy but saying someone is scum for doing a "universal mafia trait" -thing and then doing the same thing yourself is scummy as fuck and never comes from town, you'd have to be the biggest fucking hypocrite on earth to do that.
- He scumread iamperfection for too long, he should know wayyyyy better regardless of the fact iamp made a case (that everyone should read) on him.
- During the EoD he wasn't actively trying to do stuff, all he did was yelling and causing chaos. The most notable thing is he perfectly knew both Palmar's and Holyflare's mayor lynch choices don't align with his reads yet never ever during the whole time the debate was on tries he convince either of them to agree on a different lynch. Especially Palmar when they both share a scumread on Mocsta. There is simply no reason why a townie shouldn't care about this.
- Fake anger after D1 flips and anger directed at wrong place. Tubesock had a good post about this.
- After D1 Acrofales hasn't done a single productive thing. He has given himself a narrative in calling Holyflare mafia, hiding behind it, and doing nothing else. Even if he genuinely thinks Holyflare is mafia for doing a bad / stupid thing (which isn't even a good reason to scumread someone) it's simply pure mafia play to excuse yourself for not doing anything other than calling him mafia and everyone stupid and bad.
I encourage everyone to put your votes on Acrofales. All these Lighntingstrikes and Alakaslams need to get their heads out of their asses. Wave if you want to spend the rest of the game with scum 5-years-ago-rayn then be my guest and have your vote on HF as policy but don't complain after the game, especially in case Acrofales at some point decides to call you mafia and wants to have you lynched. You will not like it a single bit. The truth is Holyflare executing his scumread Palmar, however bad or stupid you may think that is, isn't actually even close to a good reasoning of him being mafia.
I agree on the case on Ace. I had more thought on it and i think the fact that he was actually aware of Trfel (or at least looked like he is) suggests that it is more likely he did in fact know what Holyflare was about to do. I know a lot of people are saying Ace is too good as scum to do something like that but i don't believe that is the case. I think Ace decided he can use his activity as an excuse to "not know HF is gonna lynch Palmar", aka that he didn't see it, and did the numbers and thought he can get away with it. Also Ace is not like some fucking mafia god that doesn't make any mistakes. + Show Spoiler +I caught him once because scum nuked meapak and i went to fakeclaim the nuke when for any player who doesn't have TMI that nuke never comes from mafia. Ace got confused and started gunning on me being mafia completely ignoring the fact before. And he couldn't even keep his story straight. So yeah, it's not like Ace alwasy does the most optimal play as mafia. Mr.Wiggles is also mafia but that's for tomorrow.
That's quite a pretty narrative you've spun. It's all quite plausible, as I do believe we have a similar playstyle. It's also completely wrong, as I try to mimick my townplay as scum, and my townplay is what I'm doing right now. So if you build a meta case, at least do it properly.
It's blatantly false that I haven't done anything other than hound HF. I am principally hounding HF, because he needs to die. But saying I haven't done anything else since D1 is absurd. Did you even open my filter to write this case?
But more generally, something changed quite radically in how you're playing the game.
The truth is Holyflare executing his scumread Palmar, however bad or stupid you may think that is, isn't actually even close to a good reasoning of him being mafia.
What did you do with the rayn that absolutely always wanted to kill people for doing really dumb shit and would hound them relentlessly. This isn't even about your alignment, as you'd do it as both scum or town. The lack of you hounding people makes it seem like you're not invested at all in the game, which just makes me sad, as you made a case on me without actually puzzling over my filter. You just lazily threw together your "HF town" with "Acro tunneling HF" notes, and made a case for me to be scum, disregarding everything around it. You didn't even bother to double check your "HF town" read even after he shot Palmar and gloated about it.
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My opinion on sentinel and wiggles:
On March 06 2019 08:59 Acrofales wrote:I was making a detailed reads post, but it's too much work. Lynch holyflare. And: Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 08:52 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2019 08:51 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2019 08:51 Palmar wrote:
Wiggles is mafia
Wiggles is mafia
Wiggles is mafia
Wiggles is mafia
Wiggles is mafia your wifom mind bomb wont work im going to ignore it. Wiggles is mafiaWiggles is mafiaWiggles is mafiaWiggles is mafiaWiggles is mafiaWiggles is mafiaWiggles is mafiaWiggles is mafiaWiggles is mafiaWiggles is mafiaWiggles is mafiaWiggles is mafiaWiggles is mafiaWiggles is mafia The rest of the team is probably this: Sentinel rsoultin MZ damdred marvellosity bloodycobbler But because there's no way I got it right in one go, there's probably scum in the lurks too: Onegu Rels ExO_ ace AMG Town; Vivax Koshi jock WoS Probably town: Oats Slam LS Lamp
It's worth noting that I completely forgot rayn was in the game all night, so he doesn't appear in this list. That is a total oversight that I will rectify when I have time.
And yeah, the fact that rayn is not even doing enough to remember he's in the game is worth thinking about.
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On March 06 2019 21:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 21:54 Acrofales wrote:
It's blatantly false that I haven't done anything other than hound HF. I am principally hounding HF, because he needs to die. But saying I haven't done anything else since D1 is absurd. Did you even open my filter to write this case?
Sure you posted words but that doesn't mean you're trying to do something with them. Rest of your post is just fluff.
I posted *LOTS* of words. And the *BEST* words. This dismissal is just meh.
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On March 06 2019 22:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 22:01 Tubesock wrote:
I’d scum the shit out if HF if he platformed killing Palmar, cased and scumread him, and didn’t kill him. Maybe MAYBE not if he killed scum instead. I think I’d still think he could be scum for killing a lurker mafia.
To me the ONLY plausible reason to scumread HF is because he said he tried to change it. And even that is 50/50 really. Everything else he’s done has been good for town.
People say he has a big ego, you think he thought Palmar was scum and wouldn’t shoot for epic plays???
You voters should be arguing that HF didn’t really believe his Palmar case.
But you can’t cause he did. This! This is the thing that makes all "HF is scum" believers either retards or mafia.
You're scumming me, but I literally did that.
On March 06 2019 20:50 Acrofales wrote:
I know you're new here, but what the hell is this? Doing "specifically pro-mafia stuff" is stuff town doesn't do. You say it's a bad read, but him killing Palmar was almost entirely off his ego being too big for Palmar to beat him in a mayor election. There isn't even any townie reasoning there, it is entirely based on "goal 1": the town isn't big enough for the two of them, so he kills Palmar. It wasn't a "bad read". It wasn't a read at all.
I don't have time right now to collect all my notes in one place, but this is clearly important. So here is his Palmar case:
On March 04 2019 18:14 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 18:09 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 04 2019 18:07 Holyflare wrote:
My mayor lynch will be on Palmar by the way. I can get behind this, but what's the reasoning behind it? Only talks about town reads, has no suspicions on pretty much anything in the game. Perpetuates nonsense policy lynch after he likes Sentinel's effort when he hasn't even read it. His last post about acro is entirely a wall of hedge whereby he looks like he's falsely weighing up Acro's alignment but really it's wishy washy and says nothing. His iamp read looks completely bs too for similar reasons to his acro read. Iamp is town but wait here's reasons I can say he's not town later in the game. None of this is concrete town palmar stuff. There's also the fact we can acknowledge that mafia were pushing for his candidacy if he does flip mafia
This was on sunday evening, when he was mostly right that Palmar hadn't played much yet. But they were both around all of monday, and nothing happened except HF's ego got more hurt:
On March 05 2019 06:38 Holyflare wrote:
Palmar (11): Palmar, Ticktock, Meapak_Zipphh, Acrofales, Vivax, WaveofShadow, Grackaroni, Conversion, Alakaslam, Trfel, Blazinghand
How has this guy got 11 people voting for him when his sole policy is only to kill Sentinel who doesn't even look bad?
Almost the entirety, if not THE entirety of this wagon is the sketchiest people in this game. It's even growing!
And this one is blatantly false:
On March 05 2019 07:18 Holyflare wrote:
Especially now that more people are actually voting him when he has said nothing else of value.
Like... I did the exercise at the time, and tried to read Palmar as scum. I got through the weekend thinking he might be right, because Palmar posted a policy lynch and a bunch of town reads. I did find he was throwing off townie vibes, but figured it might have been him throwing me a green read to bedazzle me. But all of monday (the above post is made an hour and a bit before deadline), Palmar was deep diving people, engaging people, and hunting scum. Classifying that as "nothing of value" is nonsense.
So no, HF really didn't have much of a case on Palmar at all. Definitely not one that shows conviction, and certainly not one where he is trying to actually figure out if he's right or not. He parked the case on Sunday evening and didn't bother analysing anything Palmar did all of Monday.
Now I get that HF is apparently an egomaniac, but he is completely uncritical of his read. He doesn't return to it, just reiterates any time anybody asks that he will kill Palmar. Lamp and Koshi come to their own conclusions of Palmar. They were obviously wrong, but you can see their thought process and you can see Koshi engage with Palmar about it. Not so at all with HF.
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On March 06 2019 22:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i have no doubt in anyone's abilities to figure out all the wiggleses, onegus, blazinghands and aces in this game, i have serious doubts on 26/30 people's abilities to out-yell acrofales.
That's ok. They don't have to out-yell me, they can just sheep me to a town victory.
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On March 06 2019 22:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 22:32 Acrofales wrote:
But all of monday (the above post is made an hour and a bit before deadline), Palmar was deep diving people, engaging people, and hunting scum. Classifying that as "nothing of value" is nonsense.
So no, HF really didn't have much of a case on Palmar at all. Definitely not one that shows conviction, and certainly not one where he is trying to actually figure out if he's right or not. He parked the case on Sunday evening and didn't bother analysing anything Palmar did all of Monday.
Then why didn't we hear any of this stronger Eod? Why didn't you try to convince either of the mayors to lynch another suspect (you thought Sentinel is town)? Why didn't you try to convince Palmar on your Mocsta case and execute him (Palmar was scumreading Mocsta)?
In what world was I not trying?
https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/542541-end-of-the-world-party-mafia?user=Acrofales&page=7
Also, my Mocsta case? Huh? I haven't cased Mocsta. I definitely didn't case him D1. Last thoughts on D1 about him:
On March 05 2019 08:04 Acrofales wrote:
Okay. Filtered mocsta. He doesn't look as bad as I thought he did at all. But the exchange with Palmar definitely was mocsta overreacting. I didn't read that as Palmar shutting him down. I read it as mocsta overreacting to Palmar poking him a bit for some reads/reaction. They could easily both be town from that exchange.
Koshi, stop being so exciteable.
My thoughts of Mocsta haven't actually changed much. He has some weird inconsistencies that make me keep doubting his towniness, but there's like at least 10 people in this game scummier than him.
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On March 06 2019 23:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 22:47 Acrofales wrote:
Also, my Mocsta case? Huh? I haven't cased Mocsta. I definitely didn't case him D1 I never said you cased him. I said you scumread him and Palmar scumread him, which you both did.
Except... I didn't. At least not by the time it actually mattered.
Anyway, what was the point of convincing Palmar to do something other than what Palmar was gonna do. I wasn't sold on Sentinel being town, and didn't really mind Palmar wanting to axe him, so didn't feel at all responsible to try to stop him. I would have preferred he axed someone I had a solid scumread on, but given a choice between axing Palmar and axing almost anyone else in the game, I was going with "almost anyone else". And yes, I was afk for like 3 hours and came back 1 hour before the deadline. There wasn't a lot of time to get a new wagon going. Especially not by me, with my 0 clout at the time. I could probably have argued myself out of a lynch, but I sure as hell didn't have the presence to argue HF, Palmar, Lamp or even BH *into* doing anything.
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On March 06 2019 23:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 23:29 Acrofales wrote:On March 06 2019 23:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2019 22:47 Acrofales wrote:
Also, my Mocsta case? Huh? I haven't cased Mocsta. I definitely didn't case him D1 I never said you cased him. I said you scumread him and Palmar scumread him, which you both did. Except... I didn't. At least not by the time it actually mattered. Who were the mayoral candidates going to lynch when you did have a scumread on Mocsta?
Who the fuck knows, or cares?
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On March 06 2019 23:01 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 22:32 Acrofales wrote:On March 06 2019 22:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2019 22:01 Tubesock wrote:
I’d scum the shit out if HF if he platformed killing Palmar, cased and scumread him, and didn’t kill him. Maybe MAYBE not if he killed scum instead. I think I’d still think he could be scum for killing a lurker mafia.
To me the ONLY plausible reason to scumread HF is because he said he tried to change it. And even that is 50/50 really. Everything else he’s done has been good for town.
People say he has a big ego, you think he thought Palmar was scum and wouldn’t shoot for epic plays???
You voters should be arguing that HF didn’t really believe his Palmar case.
But you can’t cause he did. This! This is the thing that makes all "HF is scum" believers either retards or mafia. You're scumming me, but I literally did that. On March 06 2019 20:50 Acrofales wrote:
I know you're new here, but what the hell is this? Doing "specifically pro-mafia stuff" is stuff town doesn't do. You say it's a bad read, but him killing Palmar was almost entirely off his ego being too big for Palmar to beat him in a mayor election. There isn't even any townie reasoning there, it is entirely based on "goal 1": the town isn't big enough for the two of them, so he kills Palmar. It wasn't a "bad read". It wasn't a read at all. I don't have time right now to collect all my notes in one place, but this is clearly important. So here is his Palmar case: On March 04 2019 18:14 Holyflare wrote:On March 04 2019 18:09 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 04 2019 18:07 Holyflare wrote:
My mayor lynch will be on Palmar by the way. I can get behind this, but what's the reasoning behind it? Only talks about town reads, has no suspicions on pretty much anything in the game. Perpetuates nonsense policy lynch after he likes Sentinel's effort when he hasn't even read it. His last post about acro is entirely a wall of hedge whereby he looks like he's falsely weighing up Acro's alignment but really it's wishy washy and says nothing. His iamp read looks completely bs too for similar reasons to his acro read. Iamp is town but wait here's reasons I can say he's not town later in the game. None of this is concrete town palmar stuff. There's also the fact we can acknowledge that mafia were pushing for his candidacy if he does flip mafia This was on sunday evening, when he was mostly right that Palmar hadn't played much yet. But they were both around all of monday, and nothing happened except HF's ego got more hurt: On March 05 2019 06:38 Holyflare wrote:
Palmar (11): Palmar, Ticktock, Meapak_Zipphh, Acrofales, Vivax, WaveofShadow, Grackaroni, Conversion, Alakaslam, Trfel, Blazinghand
How has this guy got 11 people voting for him when his sole policy is only to kill Sentinel who doesn't even look bad?
Almost the entirety, if not THE entirety of this wagon is the sketchiest people in this game. It's even growing! And this one is blatantly false: On March 05 2019 07:18 Holyflare wrote:
Especially now that more people are actually voting him when he has said nothing else of value. Like... I did the exercise at the time, and tried to read Palmar as scum. I got through the weekend thinking he might be right, because Palmar posted a policy lynch and a bunch of town reads. I did find he was throwing off townie vibes, but figured it might have been him throwing me a green read to bedazzle me. But all of monday (the above post is made an hour and a bit before deadline), Palmar was deep diving people, engaging people, and hunting scum. Classifying that as "nothing of value" is nonsense. So no, HF really didn't have much of a case on Palmar at all. Definitely not one that shows conviction, and certainly not one where he is trying to actually figure out if he's right or not. He parked the case on Sunday evening and didn't bother analysing anything Palmar did all of Monday. Now I get that HF is apparently an egomaniac, but he is completely uncritical of his read. He doesn't return to it, just reiterates any time anybody asks that he will kill Palmar. Lamp and Koshi come to their own conclusions of Palmar. They were obviously wrong, but you can see their thought process and you can see Koshi engage with Palmar about it. Not so at all with HF. This is pretty misconstrued. Who did Palmar want to kill other than sentinel? Who the fuck knows until right near deadline where he finally posted something and also spammed wiggles. This also isn't all I posted in the slightest: Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 10:03 Holyflare wrote:On March 05 2019 09:53 marvellosity wrote:
HF mate, why did you actually kill Palmar?
I don't want a quote from your posts, just the actual reason(s) ? I thought his early posts were colossally bad. I didn't like how he kept coming up with reasons to read people one way or another that on closer inspection turned out to be massively false and then he'd just brush it away. This happened with: Rayn - where he came up with some factually incorrect meta and falsehoods in this game that got disproved and then called out by Rayn himself and Palmar just hand waved it away LS read - where he tried to further his incorrect point that he must be right on LS because rsoul and damdred agreed with him (and also therefore damdred must be town because they agreed on LS(????????????????)). It turned out neither of them really agreed anymore but he didn't update that read on damdred At the time I submitted the vote on palmar he had only 2 real attempts at scum reads and they turned out to be hedges instead on both acro and iamp so he really had no scum reads. He only started trying to scum read people after I called him out on it. Outside of Palmar himself there was an overwhelming wagon building on Palmar's mayorship out of nowhere. He had only stated that he was going to lynch sentinel and then after Sentinel posted not bad walls of text he never updated that read. His wagon kept growing but with nobody really casting doubt on Sentinel further (other than like 1-2 people) so Palmar seemed to be in direct contention with my mayor votes for absolutely no reason whatsoever (I even had sentinel as my lynch policy for a long while). I ultimately ended up still lynching Palmar: A) because my vote was locked in and I never really got to change it to BH when your slot and vivax saved him B) I would much rather have fun with a lynch on a really polarising player to lynch instead of some shitty policy lynch anyway that may or may not have actually turned into a scum BH. We now have about 100 different reads on this lynch and we have the flip to boot. It wouldn't have been the same if Palmar didn't flip either. I was tempted to vote some non-entity but that's really really fucking boring and wouldn't be fun. Show nested quote +Palmar - (wishy washy Iamp post, wishy washy Acro post. I call him out that he has no solid scum reads and he has to hunker down and scum read someone. Defaults to Sentinel still, can't see any motivation from sentinel other than scum motivation. He then makes some bs analysis of the wagons acknowledging that his wagon is the most scum motivated one to follow but doesn't use that to reevaluate anything and doesn't question which of the people on the wagon are scummy. He defends Pandain who has literally posted nothing but coaching. This whole post to town read Damdred is so unnecessarily OTT it's ridiculous https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/542541-end-of-the-world-party-mafia?page=88#1750Makes a movement for Rayn to be mafia based on Rayn's activity which hasn't meant anything since a long time now. Doesn't even get what Rayn said correct. Doesn't even know what Damdred/Rsoul posted about LS. Not interested in figuring out game, instead tried to use others to prove his point. Wants to vote Conversion because Conversion was lazy but attributes it to mafia motivation instead of just someone being lazy. That's the crux of his entire read. Fakes some floundering on it when Conversion posts some irl excuse, seems pretty forced. After nothing in between Conversion drops off max scum vote list and is replaced with lurker and policy lynch. Not great at all.)
The former is literally after the lynch happened. The latter is a list post half an hour before the lynch when you've been harping on about Palmar all day. Both are a posteriori justifications rather than actually engaging him. And in particular the latter about when Palmar started scumhunting is quite blatantly false. But we can argue about that until we're both blue in the face, because you'll probably just "no true Scotsman" his scumhunting, just like rayn just did.
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On March 06 2019 23:37 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 23:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2019 23:29 Acrofales wrote:On March 06 2019 23:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2019 22:47 Acrofales wrote:
Also, my Mocsta case? Huh? I haven't cased Mocsta. I definitely didn't case him D1 I never said you cased him. I said you scumread him and Palmar scumread him, which you both did. Except... I didn't. At least not by the time it actually mattered. Who were the mayoral candidates going to lynch when you did have a scumread on Mocsta? Who the fuck knows, or cares?
I mean. What on earth in my filter gives you at all the impression that mocsta was ever my main scumspect. Like, at *any* point in the game ever?
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On March 06 2019 23:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 23:37 Acrofales wrote:On March 06 2019 23:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2019 23:29 Acrofales wrote:On March 06 2019 23:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2019 22:47 Acrofales wrote:
Also, my Mocsta case? Huh? I haven't cased Mocsta. I definitely didn't case him D1 I never said you cased him. I said you scumread him and Palmar scumread him, which you both did. Except... I didn't. At least not by the time it actually mattered. Who were the mayoral candidates going to lynch when you did have a scumread on Mocsta? Who the fuck knows, or cares? You should
No.
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Because the ninja vote is on the right train, I'm gonna let it slide:
On March 06 2019 23:39 Alakaslam wrote:
##Vote: HolyFlare
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On March 06 2019 23:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 23:40 Acrofales wrote:On March 06 2019 23:37 Acrofales wrote:On March 06 2019 23:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2019 23:29 Acrofales wrote:On March 06 2019 23:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2019 22:47 Acrofales wrote:
Also, my Mocsta case? Huh? I haven't cased Mocsta. I definitely didn't case him D1 I never said you cased him. I said you scumread him and Palmar scumread him, which you both did. Except... I didn't. At least not by the time it actually mattered. Who were the mayoral candidates going to lynch when you did have a scumread on Mocsta? Who the fuck knows, or cares? I mean. What on earth in my filter gives you at all the impression that mocsta was ever my main scumspect. Like, at *any* point in the game ever? I dont care if Mocsta was your top 1 or top 5 scumread but you and Palmar agreed on Mocsta being mafia at some point when all mayors wanted to kill your townreads and you didnt do fucking shit. How fucking hard is this to explain? Are you like 5 yrs old?
1) I didn't ever strong townread Sentinel. I thought he didn't look as bad as Palmar did, but I would have been perfectly happy to sheep Palmar.
2) I didn't ever hava a strong scumread on Mocsta. So I definitely wasn't going to bother convincing Palmar around 15 hours before the lynch to kill Mocsta instead. If I did have a strong read, I would have tried to have him lynched. But I didn't. So I didn't.
WHY ARE YOU NITPICKING THIS WITHOUT EVEN READING WHAT HAPPENED?
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On March 06 2019 23:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 23:56 Acrofales wrote:On March 06 2019 23:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2019 23:40 Acrofales wrote:On March 06 2019 23:37 Acrofales wrote:On March 06 2019 23:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2019 23:29 Acrofales wrote:On March 06 2019 23:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2019 22:47 Acrofales wrote:
Also, my Mocsta case? Huh? I haven't cased Mocsta. I definitely didn't case him D1 I never said you cased him. I said you scumread him and Palmar scumread him, which you both did. Except... I didn't. At least not by the time it actually mattered. Who were the mayoral candidates going to lynch when you did have a scumread on Mocsta? Who the fuck knows, or cares? I mean. What on earth in my filter gives you at all the impression that mocsta was ever my main scumspect. Like, at *any* point in the game ever? I dont care if Mocsta was your top 1 or top 5 scumread but you and Palmar agreed on Mocsta being mafia at some point when all mayors wanted to kill your townreads and you didnt do fucking shit. How fucking hard is this to explain? Are you like 5 yrs old? 1) I didn't ever strong townread Sentinel. I thought he didn't look as bad as Palmar did, but I would have been perfectly happy to sheep Palmar. 2) I didn't ever hava a strong scumread on Mocsta. So I definitely wasn't going to bother convincing Palmar around 15 hours before the lynch to kill Mocsta instead. If I did have a strong read, I would have tried to have him lynched. But I didn't. So I didn't. WHY ARE YOU NITPICKING THIS WITHOUT EVEN READING WHAT HAPPENED? Why arent you answering the question? You just outlined everything i said without answering the question. This is not about "why didnt you wanna kill Mocsta", this is about why didn't you do anything at all.
Your definition of not doing anything at all is like... 34 out of 35 people in the game, most notably including yourself. In my opinion I did lots of things. So we'll just disagree.
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On March 07 2019 00:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 00:04 Acrofales wrote:On March 06 2019 23:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2019 23:56 Acrofales wrote:On March 06 2019 23:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2019 23:40 Acrofales wrote:On March 06 2019 23:37 Acrofales wrote:On March 06 2019 23:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2019 23:29 Acrofales wrote:On March 06 2019 23:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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I never said you cased him. I said you scumread him and Palmar scumread him, which you both did. Except... I didn't. At least not by the time it actually mattered. Who were the mayoral candidates going to lynch when you did have a scumread on Mocsta? Who the fuck knows, or cares? I mean. What on earth in my filter gives you at all the impression that mocsta was ever my main scumspect. Like, at *any* point in the game ever? I dont care if Mocsta was your top 1 or top 5 scumread but you and Palmar agreed on Mocsta being mafia at some point when all mayors wanted to kill your townreads and you didnt do fucking shit. How fucking hard is this to explain? Are you like 5 yrs old? 1) I didn't ever strong townread Sentinel. I thought he didn't look as bad as Palmar did, but I would have been perfectly happy to sheep Palmar. 2) I didn't ever hava a strong scumread on Mocsta. So I definitely wasn't going to bother convincing Palmar around 15 hours before the lynch to kill Mocsta instead. If I did have a strong read, I would have tried to have him lynched. But I didn't. So I didn't. WHY ARE YOU NITPICKING THIS WITHOUT EVEN READING WHAT HAPPENED? Why arent you answering the question? You just outlined everything i said without answering the question. This is not about "why didnt you wanna kill Mocsta", this is about why didn't you do anything at all. Your definition of not doing anything at all is like... 34 out of 35 people in the game, most notably including yourself. In my opinion I did lots of things. So we'll just disagree. If you don't want to answer then that's up to you.
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