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On March 06 2019 23:56 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 23:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2019 23:40 Acrofales wrote:On March 06 2019 23:37 Acrofales wrote:On March 06 2019 23:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2019 23:29 Acrofales wrote:On March 06 2019 23:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2019 22:47 Acrofales wrote:
Also, my Mocsta case? Huh? I haven't cased Mocsta. I definitely didn't case him D1 I never said you cased him. I said you scumread him and Palmar scumread him, which you both did. Except... I didn't. At least not by the time it actually mattered. Who were the mayoral candidates going to lynch when you did have a scumread on Mocsta? Who the fuck knows, or cares? I mean. What on earth in my filter gives you at all the impression that mocsta was ever my main scumspect. Like, at *any* point in the game ever? I dont care if Mocsta was your top 1 or top 5 scumread but you and Palmar agreed on Mocsta being mafia at some point when all mayors wanted to kill your townreads and you didnt do fucking shit. How fucking hard is this to explain? Are you like 5 yrs old? 1) I didn't ever strong townread Sentinel. I thought he didn't look as bad as Palmar did, but I would have been perfectly happy to sheep Palmar. 2) I didn't ever hava a strong scumread on Mocsta. So I definitely wasn't going to bother convincing Palmar around 15 hours before the lynch to kill Mocsta instead. If I did have a strong read, I would have tried to have him lynched. But I didn't. So I didn't. WHY ARE YOU NITPICKING THIS WITHOUT EVEN READING WHAT HAPPENED?
Why arent you answering the question? You just outlined everything i said without answering the question. This is not about "why didnt you wanna kill Mocsta", this is about why didn't you do anything at all.
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Grackaroni i gotta leave for work soon so i have to ask you if you accept my explanation or not so i know if i have to come back at it later.
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On March 07 2019 00:03 Holyflare wrote:
I think we have to lynch Acrofales
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On March 07 2019 00:04 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 23:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2019 23:56 Acrofales wrote:On March 06 2019 23:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2019 23:40 Acrofales wrote:On March 06 2019 23:37 Acrofales wrote:On March 06 2019 23:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2019 23:29 Acrofales wrote:On March 06 2019 23:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2019 22:47 Acrofales wrote:
Also, my Mocsta case? Huh? I haven't cased Mocsta. I definitely didn't case him D1 I never said you cased him. I said you scumread him and Palmar scumread him, which you both did. Except... I didn't. At least not by the time it actually mattered. Who were the mayoral candidates going to lynch when you did have a scumread on Mocsta? Who the fuck knows, or cares? I mean. What on earth in my filter gives you at all the impression that mocsta was ever my main scumspect. Like, at *any* point in the game ever? I dont care if Mocsta was your top 1 or top 5 scumread but you and Palmar agreed on Mocsta being mafia at some point when all mayors wanted to kill your townreads and you didnt do fucking shit. How fucking hard is this to explain? Are you like 5 yrs old? 1) I didn't ever strong townread Sentinel. I thought he didn't look as bad as Palmar did, but I would have been perfectly happy to sheep Palmar. 2) I didn't ever hava a strong scumread on Mocsta. So I definitely wasn't going to bother convincing Palmar around 15 hours before the lynch to kill Mocsta instead. If I did have a strong read, I would have tried to have him lynched. But I didn't. So I didn't. WHY ARE YOU NITPICKING THIS WITHOUT EVEN READING WHAT HAPPENED? Why arent you answering the question? You just outlined everything i said without answering the question. This is not about "why didnt you wanna kill Mocsta", this is about why didn't you do anything at all. Your definition of not doing anything at all is like... 34 out of 35 people in the game, most notably including yourself. In my opinion I did lots of things. So we'll just disagree.
If you don't want to answer then that's up to you.
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On March 07 2019 00:06 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 00:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 07 2019 00:03 Holyflare wrote:
I think we have to lynch Acrofales I think there's better lynches possibly.
I dont and i think this is gonna be a race between you and him.
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What is a better case than my on him Holyflare?
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On March 07 2019 00:10 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 00:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 07 2019 00:06 Holyflare wrote:On March 07 2019 00:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 07 2019 00:03 Holyflare wrote:
I think we have to lynch Acrofales I think there's better lynches possibly. I dont and i think this is gonna be a race between you and him. I'm not really fussed about a race. I just want to find and lynch mafia and Acro probably isn't the best one to lynch. I think Chezinu, exo etc are all good lynches.
are you actually mafia?
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On March 07 2019 00:12 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 00:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Grackaroni i gotta leave for work soon so i have to ask you if you accept my explanation or not so i know if i have to come back at it later. I don't really like it but I don't think there's any arguing we would do that would change my opinion. To me it just seems like you ignored the scumhunting posts and tried to lynch him based on your earlier case of Palmar, which I think is either scum or bad town play. I'd be much more interested about hearing about this though when you get back from work: Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 14:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am sorry i can't see Sentinel being mafia with his posting having been in a mafia team with him once.
Alright i will answer you as soon i do.
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The latest posts of HF really really worry me.
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Whoever comes into the thread and doesn't comment on my case and/or doesnt propose an alternative lynch with more damning reasons is mafia.
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On March 07 2019 00:20 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 00:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 07 2019 00:10 Holyflare wrote:On March 07 2019 00:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 07 2019 00:06 Holyflare wrote:On March 07 2019 00:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 07 2019 00:03 Holyflare wrote:
I think we have to lynch Acrofales I think there's better lynches possibly. I dont and i think this is gonna be a race between you and him. I'm not really fussed about a race. I just want to find and lynch mafia and Acro probably isn't the best one to lynch. I think Chezinu, exo etc are all good lynches. are you actually mafia? No but I'm not particularly reading properly and I just kind of glazed over whatever you were writing to be honest. Your case is that he didn't criticise my palmar wagon when he had his own reads?
no, that's not my case. try reading my posts with thought for once.
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On March 07 2019 00:22 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 00:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 07 2019 00:20 Holyflare wrote:On March 07 2019 00:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 07 2019 00:10 Holyflare wrote:On March 07 2019 00:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 07 2019 00:06 Holyflare wrote:On March 07 2019 00:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 07 2019 00:03 Holyflare wrote:
I think we have to lynch Acrofales I think there's better lynches possibly. I dont and i think this is gonna be a race between you and him. I'm not really fussed about a race. I just want to find and lynch mafia and Acro probably isn't the best one to lynch. I think Chezinu, exo etc are all good lynches. are you actually mafia? No but I'm not particularly reading properly and I just kind of glazed over whatever you were writing to be honest. Your case is that he didn't criticise my palmar wagon when he had his own reads? no, that's not my case. try reading my posts with thought for once. I really just can't at the moment. I'm on and off at work so just give me bullet points.
its funny my case is bullet points, like literally.
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On March 06 2019 21:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:I really think we should lynch Acrofales and i don't think anything is going to change my mind this phase anymore. He has now given himself a perfect narrative to do absolutely nothing than sound like a broken record repeating Holyflare is mafia because he did a stupid thing. The problem is if you don't kill him right now even if we lynch another mafia after N2 too many influential players are going to be dead and he will simply yell over anyone who's left and town and you will get irritated and lose interest to play. I know this because it's how i used to play as scum. Here is a list why Acrofales is mafia: - He called out Grackaroni for making a useless list post and then continued doing nothing but listing lurkers / low volume posters for like next 24 hours. Neither of those are in itself necessarily scummy but saying someone is scum for doing a "universal mafia trait" -thing and then doing the same thing yourself is scummy as fuck and never comes from town, you'd have to be the biggest fucking hypocrite on earth to do that.
- He scumread iamperfection for too long, he should know wayyyyy better regardless of the fact iamp made a case (that everyone should read) on him.
- During the EoD he wasn't actively trying to do stuff, all he did was yelling and causing chaos. The most notable thing is he perfectly knew both Palmar's and Holyflare's mayor lynch choices don't align with his reads yet never ever during the whole time the debate was on tries he convince either of them to agree on a different lynch. Especially Palmar when they both share a scumread on Mocsta. There is simply no reason why a townie shouldn't care about this.
- Fake anger after D1 flips and anger directed at wrong place. Tubesock had a good post about this.
- After D1 Acrofales hasn't done a single productive thing. He has given himself a narrative in calling Holyflare mafia, hiding behind it, and doing nothing else. Even if he genuinely thinks Holyflare is mafia for doing a bad / stupid thing (which isn't even a good reason to scumread someone) it's simply pure mafia play to excuse yourself for not doing anything other than calling him mafia and everyone stupid and bad.
I encourage everyone to put your votes on Acrofales. All these Lighntingstrikes and Alakaslams need to get their heads out of their asses. Wave if you want to spend the rest of the game with scum 5-years-ago-rayn then be my guest and have your vote on HF as policy but don't complain after the game, especially in case Acrofales at some point decides to call you mafia and wants to have you lynched. You will not like it a single bit. The truth is Holyflare executing his scumread Palmar, however bad or stupid you may think that is, isn't actually even close to a good reasoning of him being mafia.
I agree on the case on Ace. I had more thought on it and i think the fact that he was actually aware of Trfel (or at least looked like he is) suggests that it is more likely he did in fact know what Holyflare was about to do. I know a lot of people are saying Ace is too good as scum to do something like that but i don't believe that is the case. I think Ace decided he can use his activity as an excuse to "not know HF is gonna lynch Palmar", aka that he didn't see it, and did the numbers and thought he can get away with it. Also Ace is not like some fucking mafia god that doesn't make any mistakes. + Show Spoiler +I caught him once because scum nuked meapak and i went to fakeclaim the nuke when for any player who doesn't have TMI that nuke never comes from mafia. Ace got confused and started gunning on me being mafia completely ignoring the fact before. And he couldn't even keep his story straight. So yeah, it's not like Ace alwasy does the most optimal play as mafia. Mr.Wiggles is also mafia but that's for tomorrow.
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On March 07 2019 00:28 Holyflare wrote:
He even had to double check how many games with Iamp he played so I think that scum reading iamp thing is a moot point.
fair enough maybe. i just tend to think people who play mafia and are good at it can remember past 2 last minutes. I am gonna do a search on this after work to confirm (or not) in a way or another.
Hypocrite thing is easily done by townies.
yes, but not in this way. if you say "WOT's are scummy because they are useless and noone reads them" and then you proceed to make a WOT its very fucking scummy. And this example is similar to what he did, just in not that obvious way. iamp realised it too.
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On March 07 2019 02:52 Rels wrote:
now, BH needs to go, and I don't know if I can be convinced otherwise. He has played the "too sculmmy to be scum" so obviously I hate that he's not receiving more attention today. All the arguments I've seen for him being town seem stupid. I know rsoul had some against him being scum, and HF had too I think; I'll find them and explain why I thought they were stupid
Read my case on acrofales and commemt on it thx
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On March 07 2019 03:37 Grackaroni wrote:
Wiggles and Oats
Seriously everyone stop what you're doing and read all of Oatsmaster's filter. It is snarky comment, followed by asshole question throughout the entire filter ...[...]
Istopped reading here because you just said why Oats is town and has been because of that every game he has been town in.
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On March 07 2019 04:12 Grackaroni wrote:
You should take less convincing honestly because you already have a scum read on Wiggles and you can read distancing conversation pretty easily.
I lied i actually read the sentences after. But there is no world where i lynch oats before acro/bh/wiggles. After that, in case wiggles is actually mafia, we can discuss this, i give you that.
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Grackaroni can you prove my case on Acrofales is somehow not legit?
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On March 07 2019 04:30 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 04:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Grackaroni can you prove my case on Acrofales is somehow not legit? I'll read through Acro's filter and then respond but my first impression is that it's just a day 1 case of Acro scum reading lots of lurkers that got extended into day 2 out of intertia and it makes me suspect you for pushing it so strongly. I generally agree with Koshi's point of view on the first point here: Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 22:21 Koshi wrote:On March 03 2019 06:30 Acrofales wrote:On March 03 2019 03:06 Tictock wrote:On March 02 2019 19:54 rsoultin wrote:
Also, even though I'm using the mayor slot to demonstrate where my townreads are, it's pretty irrelevant. Regardless of who we pick they should just be held accountable for lynching who town wants to lynch -shrugs-
Or are you suggesting rayn that we just leave that to the mayor and not simply use it as a second lynch mechanic? 100% agree with this. Going off this logic Rsoul would be my vote for Mayor. Also, just enjoying this interaction between Rayn and Rsoul. + Show Spoiler +On March 02 2019 20:33 Holyflare wrote:
If anyone cares my reads align with rsoul. I think. Chez suspicious. Guy posting catch ups was it trfel? Seemed mediocre and not any revelations. Iamp piggybacking me suspicious. Don't care if I like what he's said about people non-posting. That's easy to do.
Didn't like rayn that much tbh. He seems to not be saying much but talking in walls of text and circles.
I dunno I'm sorry I'm a bit shit right now but whatever. Pretty sure that's me, and I don't give a shit kus you always seem to hate the way I interact with the game. I also strongly disagree about Rayn, I see him pushing his own thoughts and thinking and explaining why, nothing circular at all. HF seems to be posting to post and I don't like it, but it's not really a scum read right now. It's just him coasting. + Show Spoiler +On March 02 2019 20:35 rsoultin wrote:
Like for me it breaks down like this:
You've got trolling people. You've got lurking people. You've got lazy people. You've got some overly aggressives that aren't giving me warm fuzzies (MP). You've got people I'm not sure about who when I'm not sure about them have a nasty habit of being scum (Rayn) but because he's burned me so often I'm not sure if that's not where the uncertainty's coming from.
And then you have seemingly excited to play, I respect the shit out of his intelligence Chez playing but not saying anything interesting. That first group can hide a lot of bad town play. But doing something without doing anything ticks off my scum meter to a higher degree. Rsoul is starting to convince me... Idk. I don't particularly want to lynch Chez myself but I get where her read is coming from, and I am not opposed to a Chez lynch. #540Bloody's entry doesn't jive well with me, but mostly due to their reads being pretty opposite to my own. I can sorta see the logic in Bloody's reads, but it's very much in a scum-range of what to post to enter the game. Gut read leans scum, but I think deserves more to be on my watch list.
Speaking of my Watch List, I think it's something like this right now: Meap Grack Jock Mr. Wiggles Acro Bloddy HF (just not comfortable with him just floating around the game making no impact, yet being relatively present) Rels is also close to being on this list for "playing" but only making a "Hi" post then laughing at something rayn did. He only escapes this list because I know he has actively avoided playing D1 as town in recent games. It's the fact that he tried to play a little but didn't actually that almost has him on it. I don't agree with much of this, but I do like the post. 1) Rsoultin is posting easy reads and not actually doing much poking. I don't know how she'd go on anybody's town reads so far, and definitely nowhere near mayor material. 2) Cobbler posted some reads and something provocative, and gave time for them to answer. I liked his first post and will wait for more. The fact that he's aggressive seems fine. Not going to do anything meta with it, because the last time I played mafia is probably 4 years ago or so and while I remember playing with Cobbler I can't for the life of me remember his alignment. I do remember him being aggressive tho, but not abusive. 3) Everybody should be on your watch list. We are not even halfway though D1... but if I take it to mean a list of people who are posting suspiciously, the only ones I agree with is Grack. I don't understand the list anyway without justifications. Grack made a useless list post as first entry and then fucked off again. It seemed quite a lot like scum doing stuff to "seem active". And I remember Grack being quite a useful player, so I agree with you there. The rest? Haven't even seen a post by Wiggles, Meepack seems no worse than most people, and Jock I'd say more clueless town than anything else. Cobbler see above, and HF actually seems to be trying some things too. Acrofoles is not mafia because he said that he doesnt agree with the post but liked it a lot. This is a clear contradiction that most likely a townoe would make. Mafia would not like it and attack it. I also like the part he attacks a lot of people with minimal commitment. Looks like town calling how he sees it, while mafia wants to make friends and not attack people.Also Acrofoles has 4 pages of filter. So why kill him d1 lol. Kill scrubs. I read 1 post of Acrofoles and decided he is most likely town and if he isnt should be left alive anyway.
Would you say the same if the player in question was for example me or holyflare?
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HF can you explain why you didnt know trfel got lynched instead of bh?
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