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What is a better case than my on him Holyflare?
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On March 07 2019 00:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 00:04 Acrofales wrote:On March 06 2019 23:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2019 23:56 Acrofales wrote:On March 06 2019 23:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2019 23:40 Acrofales wrote:On March 06 2019 23:37 Acrofales wrote:On March 06 2019 23:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2019 23:29 Acrofales wrote:On March 06 2019 23:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: [quote] I never said you cased him. I said you scumread him and Palmar scumread him, which you both did. Except... I didn't. At least not by the time it actually mattered. Who were the mayoral candidates going to lynch when you did have a scumread on Mocsta? Who the fuck knows, or cares? I mean. What on earth in my filter gives you at all the impression that mocsta was ever my main scumspect. Like, at *any* point in the game ever? I dont care if Mocsta was your top 1 or top 5 scumread but you and Palmar agreed on Mocsta being mafia at some point when all mayors wanted to kill your townreads and you didnt do fucking shit. How fucking hard is this to explain? Are you like 5 yrs old? 1) I didn't ever strong townread Sentinel. I thought he didn't look as bad as Palmar did, but I would have been perfectly happy to sheep Palmar. 2) I didn't ever hava a strong scumread on Mocsta. So I definitely wasn't going to bother convincing Palmar around 15 hours before the lynch to kill Mocsta instead. If I did have a strong read, I would have tried to have him lynched. But I didn't. So I didn't. WHY ARE YOU NITPICKING THIS WITHOUT EVEN READING WHAT HAPPENED? Why arent you answering the question? You just outlined everything i said without answering the question. This is not about "why didnt you wanna kill Mocsta", this is about why didn't you do anything at all. Your definition of not doing anything at all is like... 34 out of 35 people in the game, most notably including yourself. In my opinion I did lots of things. So we'll just disagree. If you don't want to answer then that's up to you.
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On March 07 2019 00:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 00:06 Holyflare wrote:On March 07 2019 00:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 07 2019 00:03 Holyflare wrote: I think we have to lynch Acrofales I think there's better lynches possibly. I dont and i think this is gonna be a race between you and him.
I'm not really fussed about a race. I just want to find and lynch mafia and Acro probably isn't the best one to lynch. I think Chezinu, exo etc are all good lynches.
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On March 07 2019 00:10 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 00:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 07 2019 00:06 Holyflare wrote:On March 07 2019 00:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 07 2019 00:03 Holyflare wrote: I think we have to lynch Acrofales I think there's better lynches possibly. I dont and i think this is gonna be a race between you and him. I'm not really fussed about a race. I just want to find and lynch mafia and Acro probably isn't the best one to lynch. I think Chezinu, exo etc are all good lynches. are you actually mafia?
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On March 07 2019 00:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: Grackaroni i gotta leave for work soon so i have to ask you if you accept my explanation or not so i know if i have to come back at it later. I don't really like it but I don't think there's any arguing we would do that would change my opinion. To me it just seems like you ignored the scumhunting posts and tried to lynch him based on your earlier case of Palmar, which I think is either scum or bad town play.
I'd be much more interested about hearing about this though when you get back from work:
On March 06 2019 14:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am sorry i can't see Sentinel being mafia with his posting having been in a mafia team with him once.
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On March 07 2019 00:12 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 00:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: Grackaroni i gotta leave for work soon so i have to ask you if you accept my explanation or not so i know if i have to come back at it later. I don't really like it but I don't think there's any arguing we would do that would change my opinion. To me it just seems like you ignored the scumhunting posts and tried to lynch him based on your earlier case of Palmar, which I think is either scum or bad town play. I'd be much more interested about hearing about this though when you get back from work: Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 14:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am sorry i can't see Sentinel being mafia with his posting having been in a mafia team with him once. Alright i will answer you as soon i do.
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Town HF - fluid, clear progression on top of earlier read LS - no red flags to make me change my mind FF - this guy is a joy to read, seems to be having fun and comes to reads before they're cool
Townish BH - his thing with Iam while he was asking for lynch I see no mafia motivation for, much less upsetting my BS meter than normal; not above a lean because I have no confidence in reading BH
Townleaning-Null Tube - can see some read progression, behavior matches reads, reservation is with lack of a read on palmar and i'm not loving his thread presence
Scummish Onegu - the Damdred read can be a sign of the smart hipster glimmer I look for from Onegu, but that it's the only example is concerning and he's not even peripherally weighing in on relevant issues
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The latest posts of HF really really worry me.
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The next thing you'll hear from me is a detailed post on acrofales and something about chezinu to see if they belong on my list of confirmed scum which currently reads: MZ Ace Sentinel
Oats is there or thereabouts too but I need to take another look I think.
Acrofales was a strong town read but he's confused me a bit today but more on that later.
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some serious mafia flailing in an effort to find lynch bait in here
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On March 07 2019 00:01 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 23:58 Tubesock wrote:On March 06 2019 23:41 rsoultin wrote:On March 06 2019 23:35 Tubesock wrote:On March 06 2019 23:11 rsoultin wrote: @Tube
My initial problem with you was how much time you seemed to be spending on your townreads vs. scumreads with pokes that didn't seem to lead anywhere being the rest of your filter. But on a reread it looks better largely cause I can see the read progression on some of the players.
Can you please explain your read on Palmar D1 and what made you okay with a Conversion lynch? I didn’t have a Palmar read. He wasn’t doing anything that I could see a mafia not do. Like what you said about HF when he didn’t further antagonize someone and you towned him for it, when if he were mafia he would probably let it go further. It’s a small thing and a subjective thing. These little things when they repeat often enough become a townread. Palmar just wasn’t alive long enough for that to happen for me. I definitely preferred him living and I liked what I saw, but there wasn’t a single thing I saw that mafiaPalmar couldn’t/wouldn’t do. I mean mafiaPalmar generically. I use this metric on most people. I was essentially null on Conversion. There was the nagging feeling he was truthful on his entrance post (scumclaim) and not much of what he said spoke to me. I was primarily townreading Acrofales. Then why the vote early game? I also agreed with the vast majority of things HF said. Plus, I laughed a couple times. I mayored him before I towned him. The conversation you two had about what he’d do as mayor made me comfortable enough to vote him. When he first said he’d shoot Palmar, I dived him for a couple hours then towned him. Okay. For clarity, I assume you mean you dived HF?
Correct. And Palmar didn’t have much but kill Sentinel.
I already think you’re town so don’t have much to ask. I’m not sold on LS or Damdy being town. But right now my problem is more I think 20ish people can be scum in this game. Are you sure they’re town or tabling for now because it doesn’t matter compared to HF, Acro, Rayn?
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Whoever comes into the thread and doesn't comment on my case and/or doesnt propose an alternative lynch with more damning reasons is mafia.
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On March 07 2019 00:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 00:10 Holyflare wrote:On March 07 2019 00:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 07 2019 00:06 Holyflare wrote:On March 07 2019 00:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 07 2019 00:03 Holyflare wrote: I think we have to lynch Acrofales I think there's better lynches possibly. I dont and i think this is gonna be a race between you and him. I'm not really fussed about a race. I just want to find and lynch mafia and Acro probably isn't the best one to lynch. I think Chezinu, exo etc are all good lynches. are you actually mafia?
No but I'm not particularly reading properly and I just kind of glazed over whatever you were writing to be honest. Your case is that he didn't criticise my palmar wagon when he had his own reads?
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On March 07 2019 00:20 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 00:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 07 2019 00:10 Holyflare wrote:On March 07 2019 00:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 07 2019 00:06 Holyflare wrote:On March 07 2019 00:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 07 2019 00:03 Holyflare wrote: I think we have to lynch Acrofales I think there's better lynches possibly. I dont and i think this is gonna be a race between you and him. I'm not really fussed about a race. I just want to find and lynch mafia and Acro probably isn't the best one to lynch. I think Chezinu, exo etc are all good lynches. are you actually mafia? No but I'm not particularly reading properly and I just kind of glazed over whatever you were writing to be honest. Your case is that he didn't criticise my palmar wagon when he had his own reads? no, that's not my case. try reading my posts with thought for once.
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On March 07 2019 00:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 00:20 Holyflare wrote:On March 07 2019 00:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 07 2019 00:10 Holyflare wrote:On March 07 2019 00:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 07 2019 00:06 Holyflare wrote:On March 07 2019 00:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 07 2019 00:03 Holyflare wrote: I think we have to lynch Acrofales I think there's better lynches possibly. I dont and i think this is gonna be a race between you and him. I'm not really fussed about a race. I just want to find and lynch mafia and Acro probably isn't the best one to lynch. I think Chezinu, exo etc are all good lynches. are you actually mafia? No but I'm not particularly reading properly and I just kind of glazed over whatever you were writing to be honest. Your case is that he didn't criticise my palmar wagon when he had his own reads? no, that's not my case. try reading my posts with thought for once.
I really just can't at the moment. I'm on and off at work so just give me bullet points.
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On March 07 2019 00:00 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 23:58 Holyflare wrote:On March 06 2019 23:57 Grackaroni wrote:On March 06 2019 23:54 Holyflare wrote:On March 06 2019 23:47 Holyflare wrote:On March 06 2019 23:39 Acrofales wrote:On March 06 2019 23:01 Holyflare wrote:On March 06 2019 22:32 Acrofales wrote:On March 06 2019 22:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2019 22:01 Tubesock wrote: I’d scum the shit out if HF if he platformed killing Palmar, cased and scumread him, and didn’t kill him. Maybe MAYBE not if he killed scum instead. I think I’d still think he could be scum for killing a lurker mafia.
To me the ONLY plausible reason to scumread HF is because he said he tried to change it. And even that is 50/50 really. Everything else he’s done has been good for town.
People say he has a big ego, you think he thought Palmar was scum and wouldn’t shoot for epic plays???
You voters should be arguing that HF didn’t really believe his Palmar case.
But you can’t cause he did. This! This is the thing that makes all "HF is scum" believers either retards or mafia. You're scumming me, but I literally did that. On March 06 2019 20:50 Acrofales wrote:
I know you're new here, but what the hell is this? Doing "specifically pro-mafia stuff" is stuff town doesn't do. You say it's a bad read, but him killing Palmar was almost entirely off his ego being too big for Palmar to beat him in a mayor election. There isn't even any townie reasoning there, it is entirely based on "goal 1": the town isn't big enough for the two of them, so he kills Palmar. It wasn't a "bad read". It wasn't a read at all. I don't have time right now to collect all my notes in one place, but this is clearly important. So here is his Palmar case: On March 04 2019 18:14 Holyflare wrote:On March 04 2019 18:09 Jockmcplop wrote: [quote]
I can get behind this, but what's the reasoning behind it? Only talks about town reads, has no suspicions on pretty much anything in the game. Perpetuates nonsense policy lynch after he likes Sentinel's effort when he hasn't even read it. His last post about acro is entirely a wall of hedge whereby he looks like he's falsely weighing up Acro's alignment but really it's wishy washy and says nothing. His iamp read looks completely bs too for similar reasons to his acro read. Iamp is town but wait here's reasons I can say he's not town later in the game. None of this is concrete town palmar stuff. There's also the fact we can acknowledge that mafia were pushing for his candidacy if he does flip mafia This was on sunday evening, when he was mostly right that Palmar hadn't played much yet. But they were both around all of monday, and nothing happened except HF's ego got more hurt: On March 05 2019 06:38 Holyflare wrote: Palmar (11): Palmar, Ticktock, Meapak_Zipphh, Acrofales, Vivax, WaveofShadow, Grackaroni, Conversion, Alakaslam, Trfel, Blazinghand
How has this guy got 11 people voting for him when his sole policy is only to kill Sentinel who doesn't even look bad?
Almost the entirety, if not THE entirety of this wagon is the sketchiest people in this game. It's even growing! And this one is blatantly false: On March 05 2019 07:18 Holyflare wrote: Especially now that more people are actually voting him when he has said nothing else of value. Like... I did the exercise at the time, and tried to read Palmar as scum. I got through the weekend thinking he might be right, because Palmar posted a policy lynch and a bunch of town reads. I did find he was throwing off townie vibes, but figured it might have been him throwing me a green read to bedazzle me. But all of monday (the above post is made an hour and a bit before deadline), Palmar was deep diving people, engaging people, and hunting scum. Classifying that as "nothing of value" is nonsense. So no, HF really didn't have much of a case on Palmar at all. Definitely not one that shows conviction, and certainly not one where he is trying to actually figure out if he's right or not. He parked the case on Sunday evening and didn't bother analysing anything Palmar did all of Monday. Now I get that HF is apparently an egomaniac, but he is completely uncritical of his read. He doesn't return to it, just reiterates any time anybody asks that he will kill Palmar. Lamp and Koshi come to their own conclusions of Palmar. They were obviously wrong, but you can see their thought process and you can see Koshi engage with Palmar about it. Not so at all with HF. This is pretty misconstrued. Who did Palmar want to kill other than sentinel? Who the fuck knows until right near deadline where he finally posted something and also spammed wiggles. This also isn't all I posted in the slightest: On March 05 2019 10:03 Holyflare wrote:On March 05 2019 09:53 marvellosity wrote: HF mate, why did you actually kill Palmar?
I don't want a quote from your posts, just the actual reason(s) ? I thought his early posts were colossally bad. I didn't like how he kept coming up with reasons to read people one way or another that on closer inspection turned out to be massively false and then he'd just brush it away. This happened with: Rayn - where he came up with some factually incorrect meta and falsehoods in this game that got disproved and then called out by Rayn himself and Palmar just hand waved it away LS read - where he tried to further his incorrect point that he must be right on LS because rsoul and damdred agreed with him (and also therefore damdred must be town because they agreed on LS(????????????????)). It turned out neither of them really agreed anymore but he didn't update that read on damdred At the time I submitted the vote on palmar he had only 2 real attempts at scum reads and they turned out to be hedges instead on both acro and iamp so he really had no scum reads. He only started trying to scum read people after I called him out on it. Outside of Palmar himself there was an overwhelming wagon building on Palmar's mayorship out of nowhere. He had only stated that he was going to lynch sentinel and then after Sentinel posted not bad walls of text he never updated that read. His wagon kept growing but with nobody really casting doubt on Sentinel further (other than like 1-2 people) so Palmar seemed to be in direct contention with my mayor votes for absolutely no reason whatsoever (I even had sentinel as my lynch policy for a long while). I ultimately ended up still lynching Palmar: A) because my vote was locked in and I never really got to change it to BH when your slot and vivax saved him B) I would much rather have fun with a lynch on a really polarising player to lynch instead of some shitty policy lynch anyway that may or may not have actually turned into a scum BH. We now have about 100 different reads on this lynch and we have the flip to boot. It wouldn't have been the same if Palmar didn't flip either. I was tempted to vote some non-entity but that's really really fucking boring and wouldn't be fun. Palmar - (wishy washy Iamp post, wishy washy Acro post. I call him out that he has no solid scum reads and he has to hunker down and scum read someone. Defaults to Sentinel still, can't see any motivation from sentinel other than scum motivation. He then makes some bs analysis of the wagons acknowledging that his wagon is the most scum motivated one to follow but doesn't use that to reevaluate anything and doesn't question which of the people on the wagon are scummy. He defends Pandain who has literally posted nothing but coaching. This whole post to town read Damdred is so unnecessarily OTT it's ridiculous https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/542541-end-of-the-world-party-mafia?page=88#1750Makes a movement for Rayn to be mafia based on Rayn's activity which hasn't meant anything since a long time now. Doesn't even get what Rayn said correct. Doesn't even know what Damdred/Rsoul posted about LS. Not interested in figuring out game, instead tried to use others to prove his point. Wants to vote Conversion because Conversion was lazy but attributes it to mafia motivation instead of just someone being lazy. That's the crux of his entire read. Fakes some floundering on it when Conversion posts some irl excuse, seems pretty forced. After nothing in between Conversion drops off max scum vote list and is replaced with lurker and policy lynch. Not great at all.) The former is literally after the lynch happened. The latter is a list post half an hour before the lynch when you've been harping on about Palmar all day. Both are a posteriori justifications rather than actually engaging him. And in particular the latter about when Palmar started scumhunting is quite blatantly false. But we can argue about that until we're both blue in the face, because you'll probably just "no true Scotsman" his scumhunting, just like rayn just did. No, it is not false. I called Palmar out with the original paragraph where I said I wanted to lynch him, with which you even explicitly said you agreed with. Then Palmar started scum hunting and I thought everything he said was scummy. Also how have I not interacted with Palmar? Almost everything in my list post case is because I interacted with Palmar to make him elaborate on those mistakes. Unless now you're adding another reason that me being on holiday and not formulating everything into one central place until I actually had time to on a PC is scummy? Furthermore, none of this makes me mafia in the slightest. I said I was lynching palmar, I outlined my reasons at multiple points and made a case in my reads list, I was pretty sure on the read and he died. You're calling me mafia for being wrong rather than mafia who made up something to lynch Palmar. Can you stop spamming defenses and just only post about scum reads. It's not doing you any good and the added page count discourages people. Hello Grack, feel free to comment on any number of cases I've previously posted before people derailed me. I made a big post on exo/people off wagon around the d1 lynch. Can't remember if you commented on it. My dear Holyflare I must confess I have not. I will check it out. I don't have much to say about it. Exo's EOD post was bad and I don't doubt there are off-wagon scum.
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On March 07 2019 00:22 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 00:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 07 2019 00:20 Holyflare wrote:On March 07 2019 00:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 07 2019 00:10 Holyflare wrote:On March 07 2019 00:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 07 2019 00:06 Holyflare wrote:On March 07 2019 00:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 07 2019 00:03 Holyflare wrote: I think we have to lynch Acrofales I think there's better lynches possibly. I dont and i think this is gonna be a race between you and him. I'm not really fussed about a race. I just want to find and lynch mafia and Acro probably isn't the best one to lynch. I think Chezinu, exo etc are all good lynches. are you actually mafia? No but I'm not particularly reading properly and I just kind of glazed over whatever you were writing to be honest. Your case is that he didn't criticise my palmar wagon when he had his own reads? no, that's not my case. try reading my posts with thought for once. I really just can't at the moment. I'm on and off at work so just give me bullet points. its funny my case is bullet points, like literally.
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On March 06 2019 21:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:I really think we should lynch Acrofales and i don't think anything is going to change my mind this phase anymore. He has now given himself a perfect narrative to do absolutely nothing than sound like a broken record repeating Holyflare is mafia because he did a stupid thing. The problem is if you don't kill him right now even if we lynch another mafia after N2 too many influential players are going to be dead and he will simply yell over anyone who's left and town and you will get irritated and lose interest to play. I know this because it's how i used to play as scum. Here is a list why Acrofales is mafia: - He called out Grackaroni for making a useless list post and then continued doing nothing but listing lurkers / low volume posters for like next 24 hours. Neither of those are in itself necessarily scummy but saying someone is scum for doing a "universal mafia trait" -thing and then doing the same thing yourself is scummy as fuck and never comes from town, you'd have to be the biggest fucking hypocrite on earth to do that.
- He scumread iamperfection for too long, he should know wayyyyy better regardless of the fact iamp made a case (that everyone should read) on him.
- During the EoD he wasn't actively trying to do stuff, all he did was yelling and causing chaos. The most notable thing is he perfectly knew both Palmar's and Holyflare's mayor lynch choices don't align with his reads yet never ever during the whole time the debate was on tries he convince either of them to agree on a different lynch. Especially Palmar when they both share a scumread on Mocsta. There is simply no reason why a townie shouldn't care about this.
- Fake anger after D1 flips and anger directed at wrong place. Tubesock had a good post about this.
- After D1 Acrofales hasn't done a single productive thing. He has given himself a narrative in calling Holyflare mafia, hiding behind it, and doing nothing else. Even if he genuinely thinks Holyflare is mafia for doing a bad / stupid thing (which isn't even a good reason to scumread someone) it's simply pure mafia play to excuse yourself for not doing anything other than calling him mafia and everyone stupid and bad.
I encourage everyone to put your votes on Acrofales. All these Lighntingstrikes and Alakaslams need to get their heads out of their asses. Wave if you want to spend the rest of the game with scum 5-years-ago-rayn then be my guest and have your vote on HF as policy but don't complain after the game, especially in case Acrofales at some point decides to call you mafia and wants to have you lynched. You will not like it a single bit. The truth is Holyflare executing his scumread Palmar, however bad or stupid you may think that is, isn't actually even close to a good reasoning of him being mafia.
I agree on the case on Ace. I had more thought on it and i think the fact that he was actually aware of Trfel (or at least looked like he is) suggests that it is more likely he did in fact know what Holyflare was about to do. I know a lot of people are saying Ace is too good as scum to do something like that but i don't believe that is the case. I think Ace decided he can use his activity as an excuse to "not know HF is gonna lynch Palmar", aka that he didn't see it, and did the numbers and thought he can get away with it. Also Ace is not like some fucking mafia god that doesn't make any mistakes. + Show Spoiler +I caught him once because scum nuked meapak and i went to fakeclaim the nuke when for any player who doesn't have TMI that nuke never comes from mafia. Ace got confused and started gunning on me being mafia completely ignoring the fact before. And he couldn't even keep his story straight. So yeah, it's not like Ace alwasy does the most optimal play as mafia. Mr.Wiggles is also mafia but that's for tomorrow.
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On March 07 2019 00:22 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 00:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 07 2019 00:20 Holyflare wrote:On March 07 2019 00:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 07 2019 00:10 Holyflare wrote:On March 07 2019 00:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 07 2019 00:06 Holyflare wrote:On March 07 2019 00:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 07 2019 00:03 Holyflare wrote: I think we have to lynch Acrofales I think there's better lynches possibly. I dont and i think this is gonna be a race between you and him. I'm not really fussed about a race. I just want to find and lynch mafia and Acro probably isn't the best one to lynch. I think Chezinu, exo etc are all good lynches. are you actually mafia? No but I'm not particularly reading properly and I just kind of glazed over whatever you were writing to be honest. Your case is that he didn't criticise my palmar wagon when he had his own reads? no, that's not my case. try reading my posts with thought for once. I really just can't at the moment. I'm on and off at work so just give me bullet points.
Actually I remember reading but not being totally enthralled.
He even had to double check how many games with Iamp he played so I think that scum reading iamp thing is a moot point.
Hypocrite thing is easily done by townies.
Not convincing anyone when he's a big voice in the thread is not a bad point as well as his anger towards me that looks really fake. His cop out only lynch hf thing is also scummy.
You're also missing some other things he did d1 which I outlined at some point but have forgotten.
But at the end of the day I'm just not feeling it until I read him myself.
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On March 04 2019 06:54 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 06:17 Acrofales wrote: I'm here and caught up. There's a few posts in specific that I want to respond to, but in general:
1. Iamp is an idiot. He makes a case on me every game and it's always really bad. I will respond in more detail when I get to it, but his whole case is dumb. For starters, neither sicklucker nor oats are lurkers. Moreover, I quite obviously excluded the real lurkers. I want to kill the people who are popping into the thread, not contributing and fucking off. Not the people who weren't here at all. Iamp wanting to lynch me for dumb shit isn't new, and he's always wrong. He eats out of my hand when I'm scum and wants to lynch me when I'm town. And this is all I remember about him from 5 years ago. It's always fun. I'll decide later whether this was a scummy push, though. He hasn't done much of use other than his "case" on me, whcih he started before I had even gotten into this thread proper. Anyway, I don't think he is a good lynch target for D1. He usually starts to see the light eventually when he's town, and if he isn't, we can kill him tomorrow. Better stuff to do today.
2. No longer want to kill Sent. But the reason Palmar gets the votes is because he was clear and concise about his aims, whereas HF had many different goals. Now that sent claims he read his PM, and has actually started playing a bit, I don't think he's a good kill anymore. @Palmar: do you still plan on murdering sent?
3. I'm still quite happy with Palmar for mayor, his posts have been townie enough for me and I trust him to find scum a lot more than I do HF.
4. Lets lynch Oats. I'm on board with damdred, but he promised to contribute in 10 mins, so I'll give him until then. Oats has given no sign he has read the thread beyond looking for stuff to troll and throw out random names. Grackaroni has managed to look a bt more townie in his posts today. He pulled himself together and he is totally buddying me and I'm falling for it. Deal with it. 3. I trust Palmer to find mafia a lot more than Holyflare. 4. Let's lynch the wagon Holyflare started. Ok Acro. Have my vote.
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