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On March 20 2018 08:21 Holyflare wrote: Bit of both really. Already at double the filter length that he gets as town now. Not true though. | ||
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Normally i wouldn't bother but i don't wanna read pages of useless discussion when the game before the last one Kelsier had ~30 posts D1, managed to find 2 mafia in his 2 mafia reads, shot mafia on N1 and got shot on N1 so he is perfectly capable of trying and also playing well doing so. I don't know where you get what you're smoking since you played that game. | ||
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On March 20 2018 08:21 Conversion wrote: Let’s lynch n00bking I almost agree. | ||
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On March 20 2018 08:35 KelsierSC wrote: I think rayn has the best point so far by a long way, mocsta has posted dumb shit and is definitely failing the fucktard test Am i missing something because i don't know what my point you are referring to is? I don't think anything Mocsta has posted makes him anything. | ||
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On March 20 2018 10:44 ExO_ wrote: @KelsierSC what point did Rayn have that was the best by a long way? Is this a joke or serious? | ||
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On March 20 2018 16:00 Mocsta wrote: Rayn, Work with me on ykl please. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/532111-classic-mafia?user=ykl On one hand, I find ykl to be calm, open and displaying a bona fide motivation to contribute. On the other hand, I find the content to be very reactive, and in some ways, forced. I can see this coming from town or scum - what are you current thoughts? + Show Spoiler [ykl thoughts] + #232 still feels to me like TMI - DF may be annoying a few people, but ykl is the only that states he is muddying up waters. - The Convo/Ex0 read I still find an odd position to hold; as forum/IRL games both have players capable of "getting the ball rolling" as scum. My only pause is that many players do treat this as a heuristic - So it is not necessarily a false claim to state. #260 alludes to the heuristic being based on experience. So I could drop that convo/Ex0 read as a scum tell in isolation. #269 is an odd interpretation of events and the addition of "misguided" requires ykl to assume I think n00bking is scum. This is against what ykl has communicated as a read, which I believe, should trigger a query to me. #279 can be interpreted as mimicking thread sentiment at worst, or a change of opinion with new knowledge at best. Suddenly, moosy/NK are considered scummy. Interestingly enough, should this not also result in an adjustment to Ex0 and Conversion who have now called out scummy people? #286 now inserts OMGUS as a reason to consider NK. Perhaps was already tending towards this outcome in #269. post 12 / 15 I don't really understand what you are trying to say. I think ykl:s posting has been fairly logical and -- as you said -- can come from town or scum. Well i would say more likely town, but again, i don't understand what you are trying to ask me? | ||
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On March 20 2018 16:15 Mocsta wrote: Last post for a bit. Need to reserve some for influx of people waking up. In short, I find #291 to be a serious post. I think it demonstrates a lack of care to read the thread. Does this make Ex0_ mafia or town... well, whilst both parties do this, I think town is more likely than mafia to NOT read closely early game; and mafia is more likely than town to do this as the game progresses and becomes a waiting match. I get what you are saying here but my problem is that the FIRST and pretty much the ONLY thing Exo focused on at that point in the game was the Kelsier "read" from Holyflare. I literally gave him the answer he was looking for and Kelsier commented on THAT post. Exo reads Kelsier's post but somehow he has managed to completely miss the post Kelsier is commenting on (aka my post) when it is pretty much the ONLY thing he has focused in the game so far. I find it quite hard to believe a townie picks up something they find interesting and then either: 1) completely forget it was interesting the next moment, or 2) completely "miss" the point made on the fact that he found interesting and even question the dude who basically points out the post again. | ||
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On March 20 2018 16:36 disformation wrote: not sure what to about mocsta. I like that he is like looking at ppl that are not much talked about (tocktock). but then both tocktock and ylk look like okayish to me, so I am not sure if he is just making stuff up to post. Can you please not do this.... | ||
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On March 20 2018 17:09 Holyflare wrote: I also think moosy is scummy because the only person to "call him out" was exo and apparently he felt enough pressure/angst to vote himself off of that. Don't know whether I should listen to mafia moosy's post last game on whether he's reformed and base things off that or not though. Was initially a town read for being happy but now not. I 100% disagree, I think Moosy is town. | ||
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On March 20 2018 17:17 Holyflare wrote: 2. Conversion 3. ExO_ 5. Alakaslam 11. n00bking 13. Rels 15. Palmar 16. Fecalfeast 18. sicklucker 19. Koshi 20. MoosyDoosy Shit list so far. Conversion and noob being there together bugs me but they're both independently scummy/off. I would remove FF and Moosy. Also possibly Koshi because regardless of if he is right or wrong on disformation i believe his read is genuine. | ||
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On March 20 2018 17:47 ExO_ wrote: I’m pretty confused here. Kelsier made a comment your post was the beat in the game so far, and implied it was because you agreed mocsta was being a fucktard. You never said this. Re-reading just now, he’s trying to claim these were two separate statements (your post was best, mocsta is a fucktard) but It didn’t read that way to me. His "best point" was a comment to me telling Holyflare's Kelsier read is completely crap, something you were interested in earlier but somehow managed to miss this, twice....... | ||
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On March 20 2018 18:02 Holyflare wrote: I also thought he was referencing your mocsta point. You apparently did too because you said "what mocsta point" The thing is if he really cared about this he would go read my filter and maybe he missed my post on Kelsier earlier but there is no way he goes read my filter and misses it the second time around. | ||
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On March 20 2018 08:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: Am i missing something because i don't know what my point you are referring to is? I don't think anything Mocsta has posted makes him anything. So if my point is not Mocsta, what could it be? | ||
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On March 20 2018 18:07 ExO_ wrote: I did reread your filter. However I didn’t make the connection here. That being said, Kelsier, as of right now what’s your read on HF? Okay let's makje it very simple, if what you say is true why do you after reading this: Normally i wouldn't bother but i don't wanna read pages of useless discussion when the game before the last one Kelsier had ~30 posts D1, managed to find 2 mafia in his 2 mafia reads, shot mafia on N1 and got shot on N1 so he is perfectly capable of trying and also playing well doing so. I don't know where you get what you're smoking since you played that game. post this: On March 20 2018 10:44 ExO_ wrote: @KelsierSC what point did Rayn have that was the best by a long way? especially since you say: On March 20 2018 10:57 ExO_ wrote: Rayn never made that second point did he? You’re putting words in his mouth and then agreeing with them....what I dont understand is why. I don’t like it — Scum reading Kelsier. Though I’ll admit I’m not a fan of HF’s posts...I think HF is either VT or scum — not sure which. And now you said you associated Kelsier's post with the Mocsta thing? The logical conclusion for you to make is to assume his "good point" refers to the Kelsier/Holyflare thing but instead you now say you associated it it with the Mocsta thing which you said you didn't earlier. uh oh... | ||
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On March 20 2018 18:16 Holyflare wrote: Lol i can absolutely see exo making those points about the mocsta read. Kelsier posts mocsta thing on rayn. Rayn says what. Kelsier explains Exo picks on the point 2 he was originally confused about and says he's making it up. Shitness ensues? I can see that too, except that he now says he read my filter at the time and couldn't make the connection with Kelsier's "good point" and my Mocsta read (which didn't exist), but somehow at that time he could.  Anyways i gotta go to work. Later. | ||
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Town: Holyflare Mocsta rsoultin Vivax - prolly not gonna read much of what he posts from now on because everything sounds like a conspiracy theory but nevertheless it makes him town KelsierSC - i don't know why there are votes on him, so terrible Koshi MoosyDoosy - i knew this guy couldn't play properly, and yes, retarded!strategy is a part of the former I don't think i need to explain any other read of the above Leaning town: Palmar - i actually think Palmar is town here since he sounds townie and isn't doing any of the shit he usually does as mafia, basically i think he is genuinely trying to find mafia Alakaslam - the feeling from the latest posts gave me more of a town feeling from Slam, then he placed a terrible vote on rsoultin but it is something his mind does when being attacked, and while absolutely stupid i know he has done the same thing to me multiple times so i can't read him anymore. Sorry rsoultin i disagree with you here, probably town and just go to ignore pile. Null: Rels sicklucker Tictock - i don't really remember anything he has posted and usually his posts strike me as super scummy -- i mean like in almost every game. He is just... uninspiring. Could be mafia or town, i don't know. darthfoley - same as above, doesn't raise any feelings Conversion - same ykl - sameeeeeeeee..... Leaning scum: Fecalfeast - i tend to be quite terrible at reading FF when he is scum (aka i usually have him as town regardless of alignment:p ) but i havent seen any "this must be town FF" -posts here, i also cant understand how he could at the time read rsoultin town for "trying to solve game and posting a lot" and also have no clue what the thing on Slam is as it was what rsoultin had mostly talked about. ExO_ - I still can't understand how someone can go read my filter and from there focus onto something i never even implied (regardless of what Kelsier said or didn't say) instead of the other thing he was mostly interested in the game so far (when my filter contained ONLY that, and an offhand comment on Kelsier/Mocsta). While i understand i might be wrong here i think the dude is lying. Scum: n00bking - I said this before and i will say it again. I think noobking sounds like teacher gave him an assignment and now he is trying to write a paper he doesn't want to write and trying really hard to reason his shit with scientific proof. I don't think this is how townies act like, he did the same thing last game (all that "this is what a TOWNIE does" jizz, and as Palmar caught the word "honestly" he used to scumread HF last game, and there was another thing but i don't have time to find it rn), i read his posts from Firefly where he was town and i don't get the same feeling from his posts at all. Then there is the retarded setup looks-like-i-wanna-dumbtell-myself-into-town post which is also exactly what he did last game. I don't think he is actually trying to look for mafia instead of trying to justify his reads in a way a townie doesn't work. So there is that. If someone cares to go read that and offer some thoughts on that it would be cool. disformation - I trust Koshi here. I think disformation is a bland version of when he is town (when he irritates me a great deal with his blantant contradictions and wafflyness). Sure at first glance he looks the same here but i don't this is the same disformation. So, let's make this interesting: ##vote disformation -------------- For the record the next time someone uses "X wasn't around for some crap number of hours" and includes that as a reason to change a read or rethink or whatever i am gonna stop playing these 48h day phase games completely. This isn't directed towards anyone and i am not even sure if that's been done this game but some people have implied it. I don't like it, because there are people who work (and actually work and not sit on a fucking computer which isn't real work) 8-10 hrs a day and for that reason don't have the luxury of playing mafia at "work", and also have to value 8 hours of sleep at night. I'm here for like 30 mins still and then back ~1-2hrs before the deadline. Gotta try to stay up then. | ||
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On March 21 2018 19:18 Mocsta wrote: Why no palmar talk Like his first post about koshi struck me Felt like he already read the game before doing stream by consciousness Not sure if you are familiar with later years' Palmar but that isn't alignment indicative at all for him. He just OMGUSed Koshi because Koshi voted for him (aka "kill the player who is trying to kill me" -type of post). | ||
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On March 21 2018 19:21 Koshi wrote: "He doesnt look mafia" is an extremely bad heuristic to find mafia because it is literally the only thing mafia thinks about every time they press "Post". No it isn't. Because mafia is not trying to look for mafia, and that usually shows. If that's what you meant. | ||
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On March 21 2018 19:23 Mocsta wrote: Not familiar but i mean You think he opened by filtering koshi and then reading game Im not saying its scummy per say But fucking strange?? I think he made the post when reading the thread in chronological order and made his post when he saw Koshi's. Why is that strange? | ||
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On March 21 2018 19:23 rsoultin wrote: -flails- joooooni you don't want to lynch anyone i do except ff and sl lol >< do you have a game in mind where slam breaks with his chupazi mindset and does this as town? because if that's the case i'm not as sure on him i really do think that disinfo's approach to people scumreading him is more likely to come from town. do you disagree? I know lol. I don't know, i am generally terrible at reading disfo, but if, AND WHEN what Koshi told me in last game's obs QT (when i was sure disfo is mafia and he was town) stands, i think he is mafia. I know i am kind of contradicting here but I trust Koshi and my own evidence says mafia. | ||
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On March 21 2018 19:35 Mocsta wrote: No no He commented on koshi which was like page 10 or whatever Then went back to page 7 day strat and called me and someone else out in a stream of consciousness Really odd post progression Im more surprised right now rsoultin mentions palmar as a last resort option but isnt any reasoning or critiquing yours Im ordering a cab Phone will be strictly off in a couple Ah yes, you are right. That is indeed strange. Palmar can probably answer you on that. I can't. | ||
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On March 21 2018 19:31 Vivax wrote: Why is HF town rayn? Because he isn'tt trying really hard to make the game go where he wants it to go regardless of what he wants. | ||
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On March 21 2018 19:37 rsoultin wrote: nh all of these secret reasons @.@ slam is town for -insert reason that can't be discussed- disinfo is scum for -insert mystery reason- pfft. i think you and mocsta are town so this is just rude uh what? I have no secret reasons anywhere. | ||
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On March 21 2018 19:41 rsoultin wrote: Then what did he tell you in obs? I don't even know which obs you're referring to lol >< I can't find the obs or the game but he said something along the lines "disformation is town because he makes a really good point and then waffles on it". There are no really good points here, not even quite good.... | ||
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On March 21 2018 19:45 Vivax wrote: To me it looks like he was trying really hard to make it go to Noobking. That is not the impression i get. My impression is that he is actually giving people room to discuss other targets aswell and not just mercily pushing his lynch through. We can probably agree that if HF is mafia noobking is not, and i don't really understand the benefit of doing what HF does unless he is town (since his case is perfectly valid -- and he ALSO can do the thing he does as mafia as town). | ||
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On March 21 2018 19:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: I can't find the obs or the game but he said something along the lines "disformation is town because he makes a really good point and then waffles on it". There are no really good points here, not even quite good.... rsoultin it was not in any obs it was post-game in the game we both played in last time, don't have time to check the game since i need to go mobile. | ||
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On March 21 2018 19:51 Vivax wrote: So you say mafia HF would start shitting on anyone not voting noobking with him? A bold claim. No i am saying he would try harder to push the lynch. I am not sure why you manage to completely misconstrue what i say... | ||
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Rels looks terrible. noobking does the same shit he did last game where by the end of phase forgets about all scumhunting done during the day. | ||
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On March 22 2018 06:20 n00bKing wrote: Where is a strong enough town-guided consensus going to land, besides onto sicklucker? Never on sicklucker. So apparently for you nowhere. | ||
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On March 22 2018 06:37 Holyflare wrote: Mocsta plz. But i don't think he is mafia.  | ||
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On March 22 2018 06:46 rsoultin wrote: Yeah, I still don't think so. I won't hang my hat on it because I've been wrong on him before and easily could be again. It's just that if he's scum I'm apparently channeling him lol >< At several different points today. who? | ||
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You say you are gonna catch up, then you actually don't, but then you after all magically appear when people start taking about you, and not only that, you act all whiny for no apparent reason. So here is the wagon you wanted then: ##unvote ##vote darthfoley | ||
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On March 22 2018 05:18 Holyflare wrote: I would ABSOLUTELY lynch mocsta for keeping me in a don't know pile but scum reading noobking who I fecking cased. this? | ||
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On March 22 2018 07:00 darthfoley wrote: Some day you will learn that just because you don't agree with someone, or they have less than fool-proof logic, it doesn't make them mafia. It might not be this game, but I am optimistic yet. There is nothing to agree here. Regardless of how lousy you have been reading my posts it should be apparent i made the read on noobking first -> the one which was "really good" from HF & Mocsta, but somehow you completely have missed all that. Again, nothing to agree here, you're just wrong and bad or mafia. That's it. | ||
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Not once does he attribute anything I've said to lynching his biggest scum read as me being any alignment. I don't understand this. Does this mean he should call you some alignment? If that's so, i can understand why he is hesitant from town perspective. I don't think the fake claim means anything. He also did the shitty scum QT fake last game which he did as mafia before, as town... If there is anything he is scum for, it's that he honestly doesn't have ANY scumreads AT ALL aside from noobking and that's pretty fucking weird imo. I am not sure if that's enoguh for me though since i have people who actually look scummy, say one thing and then in the next post say something else. | ||
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On March 22 2018 07:11 darthfoley wrote: Are you claiming that your confusing teacher assignment analogy was the same as saying "n00bking is arguing semantics and nitty gritty details that don't particularly matter?" Because if not, I have no idea where in your filter you had this epic first read on n00bking. In fact, a control + F of your filter has you mentioning n00bking only 4 times. In fact, YOU asked HF for HIS read on n00bking. Which you followed with So.... uhh..... HF was the first person to point out n00bking's focus on semantics and logic based arguments. And you couldn't possibly connect the dots that it was exactly what i was thinking, even when i immediately town read Holyflare for it. Yeah i am exaggerating a little bit with what was ONLY said in thread but i assume people can even fucking think what things they read mean, otherwise you shouldn't probably play mafia. And i happen to know you are not one of those people who cannot do that. So basically, you aren't really thinking about what you read means, at all. | ||
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On March 22 2018 07:26 rsoultin wrote: Joni, if he's scum, I don't think he's scum for that. You just told HF you didn't get his point on mocsta when it's practically (not exactly because you're talking about making the read in the first place and he's talking about how he feels he should be townread for it) the same. It is not the same point ffs. Mocsta is uneasy with HF for different reasons (none of which have anything to do with noobking) when df is uneasy with me FOR EXACTLY THAT REASON. I genuinely hate when people cannot look past what people post and try to see why they post things. And i don't think df is that shitty of a player as town, that's pretty much my stand point. | ||
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On March 22 2018 07:32 rsoultin wrote: Yeah, but...I don't know how reasonable it is to have an expectation that people should know what you're not saying? because i literally insta-called HF town for his read and insta-"corrected" him or told what i think. Does he think i predicted what HF will say and that i made up an analogy in like 5 seconds or what? | ||
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On March 22 2018 07:35 rsoultin wrote: I'm not saying that it's not reasonable to make those assumptions reading your posts. I'm saying I'm not sure it's reasonable to expect people to. well i do, especially when someone calls the other person town FOR the read he calls the other person not town. (+managed to completely didge the whole Exo_ issue and give a blantant "he sounds townie" or some other crap read that isn't even a read). | ||
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On March 22 2018 07:47 darthfoley wrote: LMAO of course I don't remember who made the fucking read first. There are over 70 pages of filter. Just admit that you were wrong. Please quote me where I, darthfoley, said "Rayn is scummy because his n00bking read is bad." I didn't say you called me scummy. Well originally i did as your "original reads" you were so proud about were me and rsoultin, but i retracted from that when i reread that those "reads" werent reads at all. It doesn't change the fact you called HF good and me bad for the same read. | ||
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On March 22 2018 13:17 MoosyDoosy wrote: to be honest i'm happy i don't have to worry about rels although i did town read him. And I normally am very good at soul reading rels. Glad to see that hasn't changed. Very good like the time you townread him when you cc'd you in lylo? Can you please not talk bullshit when you post something? | ||
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On March 22 2018 14:37 Mocsta wrote: Like its annoying when Rayn/Vivax/HF say i dont have strong (scum) reads. I have read into a lot of people this game, and keep coming up with town. Idk, i read your filter when Holyflare cased me and i see you calling literally noone mafia ever other than noobking. What am i reading wrong? | ||
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On March 22 2018 18:00 Palmar wrote: If you guys could stop calling me mafia that'd be great. If you could do something that would be great. Aside from your disformation vote and a post towards me you never even really followed up on i have no idea why i should read you town. | ||
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On March 22 2018 18:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: Idk, i read your filter when Holyflare cased me and i see you calling literally noone mafia ever other than noobking. What am i reading wrong? ebwop, cased you | ||
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noobking Exo_ Tictock Palmar ykl That's the pool i am most interested in atm, i know there are too many possibilities, and i know most likely all mafia are not there, so i am missing something. | ||
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On March 22 2018 18:44 Vivax wrote: Rayn why did you let the bollocks KSC wrote about your two points about Mocsta and the read on HF go? And why did you also townread HF after calling him out for a read on KSC that you thought was wrong? I honestly have no idea what you are talking about? Can you elaborate with quotes. | ||
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On March 20 2018 08:06 n00bKing wrote: Can't be me this time, because I don't know what it is either. I guess the most important question would be: How many mafia are there? The answer to this question will heavily influence all kinds of strategic decisions. last game: On March 06 2018 11:26 n00bKing wrote: I can start telling you that you suck at this game, if that'll help. You'll have to go somewhere else for the rest of that, though. I dunno, the pre-game discussion sounds to me like people are talking about mass claiming early game and not late game. And now I can't ask them to clarify what they meant, because they either aren't in the game or I can no longer trust them to tell me the truth about it. But speaking of the pre-game discussion, now that I've read through it again, it occurs to me that I don't even know for sure what the setup for the game IS. We had this: and then this: and then that was it. So was the setup changed? Am I allowed to ask the Narrator to tell us whether the setup changed? Because if the setup isn't as town-favored as it was initially, that will definitely change my strategy. On March 06 2018 13:00 n00bKing wrote: The post you're quoting is from 2/16 though. The two posts I quoted where the Narrator says he intends to change the setup are from 2/19. Think we definitely need to know whether that happened or not. "Dumbtell" about setup. ------- This game: On March 20 2018 17:23 n00bKing wrote: "Still?" I don't think I ever offered any indication that I was interested in addressing that. If I end up having something to say to Conversion, I'll do so. "Instead?" Like, instead of following some other vote? Which vote was I supposed to follow "instead?" last game: On March 11 2018 14:43 n00bKing wrote: HF has used terms like "honestly" and "to be honest" a lot in this game, which studies have shown are used by people more often while they are lying than when they aren't. "to be fair" is not in the same category, but it's strange word choice, in my opinion, for the point he's making. quick examples. Also then there is the shit where he forgets all his scumreads and votes for an afk person who is either gonna be replaced or modkilled. Which is also what he did last game while telling everyone how important it is for "us" to scumhunt and gather information. | ||
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On March 20 2018 08:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: Am i missing something because i don't know what my point you are referring to is? I don't think anything Mocsta has posted makes him anything. | ||
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I didn't think it makes Kelsier anything which is why i asked for clarification. I completely missed Mocsta even being in the game and when he posted that 1/7 and Kelsier said he is wasting his posts and then Mocsta posted 2/8 i lol'd when reading that because i thought Mocsta was trolling and Kelsier was being super serious. I can see why he thought i had a "point" on Mocsta. I don't know why i should have read him as anything based on that because it doesn't mean anything. | ||
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On March 22 2018 19:26 Vivax wrote: I just have a hard time seeing you notice that Kelsier liked you for something you didn't do, point it out then be on your own way like it never happened. I can understand he did since he was the guy in question (one side of the two people i was "talking about"). Do you think he chose to inculde that Mocsta thing into my "good point(s)" as mafia when i already said it is not a point? I kind of don't, because he had an ACTUAL point already in the HF meta read. On the other hand i heavily dislike people like Exo_ because he chose to talk about this even after it had been clarified i never said anything about Mocsta, or well gave any read. Anyways, i got called to work early, be back later. | ||
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On March 22 2018 22:25 Palmar wrote: But yeah, HF seems to be pretty bad at getting things done this game, but for HF that isn't necessarily a scumtell, it might even be a towntell because he tends to try to wrestle for control in games when he's mafia. This isn't true in my opinion. Mocsta got almost lynched, that was in fact quite close. And that lynch came literally out of nowhere and only because of Holyflare. | ||
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On March 23 2018 02:57 ExO_ wrote: Rayn when you switched vote to Rels, can why did you do this? What was your reasoning?. I thought df claimed cop, i think that should be quite clear if you have read any of my posts N1. | ||
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On March 23 2018 05:31 disformation wrote: that's actually another point. like tons of ppl scumread nk. why wasn't he the lynch? I mean I think palmar, hf and rayn have a scumread on him? usually that would mean a lynch mob Because none of you idiots listened to us. Well not you really because you're mafia but the townspeople. | ||
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On March 23 2018 06:03 Koshi wrote: I like this comment. You are in the null category atm but this is good. I am going to only like you if disformation is mafia because you haven't done anything in this game tbh. | ||
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On March 23 2018 06:09 disformation wrote: so which one is it? You, but when the votes were on df and everyone for some stupid reason left your wagon that was the best lynch. I don't even remember why i thought only one of you can be mafia but i don't really care about it today, we'll see if i have to tomorrow. Updated list: disformation darthfoley noobking Exo_ Tictock ykl | ||
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On March 23 2018 06:18 darthfoley wrote: Well, this is a slick way of admitting that I am correct in saying you lied. Except you're saying that was not the lie but some other thing. | ||
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On March 23 2018 06:20 Holyflare wrote: Didn't you point out mocsta has no scum reads and he's not even in your list? Yeah i don't know what that means. I don't remember scum!Mocsta having no scumreads either. I really just don't know what that means but if it continues i am going to trust you on this one. | ||
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raynpelikoneet, Holyflare and Mocsta all make almost the same read on noobking. This is what darthfoley says: I also agree with HF and Mocsta's assessment with n00bking this game. He just is sooo focused on semantics and nitty gritty details in a way that feels intentional-- as to intentionally miss the proverbial forest for the trees. I feel like rayn hasn't stuck out in this game at all unfortunately. So there is that. The only thing other than my noobking read at this point is my read on Exo_. There is never any comment on Exo_ form darthfoley. This is what he says about Exo_: ExO is perfect lynch bait as always. I've yet to decide what I think of him, but I like that he isn't a fan of Kelscier, so on the townier side of null ATM. ....and Kelsier is scum because he doesn't want df to roleplay (like fucking everyone). | ||
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Has df called any of the "strong players" mafia? No, he just dislikes me and rsoultin for bs reasons. Tell me df, which of the strong players have you called mafia aside from me now (which honestly seems to be pure omgus because the reasoning is just completely invalid). | ||
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On March 23 2018 06:35 darthfoley wrote: Dude your "read" on n00bking was some confusing ass analogy about a teacher and measurement and X marks the spot that wasn't original because 1) I didn't understand your point and 2) it wasn't memorable because I didn't understand it Then you cannot read or process what you read. The analogy is completely understandable, even i - who sucks at english - know it. | ||
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On March 23 2018 06:39 darthfoley wrote: I've consistently been suspicious on you and rsoultin. But no, you haven't. BEcause the last time i suggested that you said you weren't. | ||
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On March 23 2018 06:40 darthfoley wrote: Whatever man. I'm still mad you didn't give me any credit for my banana analogy. Only Koshi can make a banana analogy, i didn't even read it if you made one somewhere. | ||
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1) You can't understand Slam comment 2) I made a case on Exo_ you never said what was wrong with it 3) I did something you townread other people for That was all i had done in the game at that time. Very good and well thought out read. | ||
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On March 23 2018 06:51 darthfoley wrote: Maybe I should've been more clear about it, sure. But I think people could read between the lines or ask me about it if they cared AHAHAHAHAHAHAH YOU OF ALL PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT READING BETWEEN LINES! roflmao. Okay i am done here i am soon gonna say something i don't wanna say. Good night. | ||
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On March 23 2018 12:14 Tictock wrote: @ Rayn Can you explain to me why you ended up voting Rels? I noticed you never joined the Conversion wagon, which as far as I could tell from your filter was kus of this. Yet you joined the Rels wagon very late Colors should be representing Rayn's reads D1, unless I missed anything. I actually could not find a read on Exo. So I'm wondering why you felt uncomfortable lynching Conversion (who was a null read for you) because you felt two people on that wagon were mafia, but you joined the Rels wagon with 2 people you scumread. I could not find anything explaining why "rel's looks terrible" which is all I saw in your filter about him. This strikes me as odd as I know you two are quite familiar with each other and generally have some respect for each other's town game. I'm very surprised to see you vote with your scum reads on someone who is potentially a strong town player, without having very good reasons. You're misrepresenting the situation. I originally joined the Rels wagon because disformation lynch and noobking lynch weren't anymore on the table, the person i mostly wanted to lynch aka disformation voted for darthfoley, and i trusted rsoultin. At that point noone was voting for Rels other than rsoultin and Mocsta who i both townread. Slightly after that i decided that instead of rsoultin being right i am more likely to be right and switched back to darthfoley. I only switched back to Rels later on because there was actually quite high chance of him being scum, and i didn't want to lynch Mocsta or Conversion. Idk, i think that should be pretty easy to tell from my filter, even if you jsut read my filter and not the thread at all... That being said i think i am not going to play D2. I feel personally offended by Koshi saying i didn't do anything EoD when i defended all people i thought are town and tried to get people on who i think are mafia, not to mention our reads even align on that front aside from Conversion (albeit i don't really know what is Koshi's read on him rn). So good job, you can solve the game with your town circle. Also df caught me: On March 23 2018 09:02 darthfoley wrote: I've literally called his play underwhelming and boring as fuck multiple times. Have you read anything? On March 23 2018 09:04 darthfoley wrote: He votes Rels "because he looks terrible." Rayn usually posts a boring 4 page essay on people he votes for, so that's unusual Well, seems like i must be mafia whatever i do. Good read, you should all follow that. Gonna vote something at some point maybe, don't give any fucks where other votes are. Just follow Koshi, he can play the game byhimself and lead the town to victory. | ||
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Last game i actually played i instantly caught you for all the right reasons regardless of what you say and think. You can keep your Koshi circle too. | ||
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On March 23 2018 17:37 rsoultin wrote: NK I could definitely lynch if he doesn't pull out his town god he's been bragging about all this time lol >< I can tell you about this mafia god town play. Gets poceted super hard by 2/3 mafia D1. Tunnels one of the only two people who try to lynch mafia in the game. Gets lynched D1. | ||
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On March 23 2018 06:24 darthfoley wrote: I don't think he's been aggressive enough with the other big names. Holyflare Vivax - although i have absolutely no idea why Vivax was shot here since this game he was never going to convince anyone of anything, at least alive. Probably medic dodge. Mocsta - i for once agree with Koshi here 100% Koshi - townread Palmar - townread rsoultin - townread rels - i am pretty sure df can't claim i wasn't being aggressive with Rels since i voted for him, twice. We will see if i would actually need to be aggressive with big names. So far looking pretty good for df, don't you think? | ||
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On March 23 2018 19:08 darthfoley wrote: Being aggressive doesn't mean scum reading them. I have just sense a lack of aggression generally. Usually when you're town you want to be right and you want everyone to admit that you are right. You like being the center of discussion and do not enjoy being cast aside. I see, i should be aggressive towards my townreads. Noted. The rest is also bs. Apparently you haven't seen me playing lately. | ||
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On March 23 2018 19:17 darthfoley wrote: Yes, this is a good point and I will probably sheep it. It would make his arrogant "I'm the best post" even sweeter The ironyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy. | ||
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On March 23 2018 19:22 n00bKing wrote: I provided 3 meaningful discussion points? Maybe discuss them? ONE person has made ONE comment on ONE of the 3 of them. No you didn't, especially when you vote off of those three people. I don't even know if you scumread any of them or not and if you do why is your vote on Tictock instead if you want them discussed? | ||
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On March 23 2018 19:26 n00bKing wrote: In that ONE game, I posted exactly TWO names in the voting thread. They were BOTH SCUM. I was mislynched Day 1 (YOUR fault), and you did NOT manage to win without me. wrong. you also voted for me. you also tunneled me all D1 when i was doing nothing but trying to lynch mafia1 and mafia2. It was your fault you were mislynched because you were so bad and you would have never lynched any mafia in that game regardless of where your votes were. | ||
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On March 23 2018 19:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: wrong. you also voted for me. you also tunneled me all D1 when i was doing nothing but trying to lynch mafia1 and mafia2. It was your fault you were mislynched because you were so bad and you would have never lynched any mafia in that game regardless of where your votes were. In the next game as mafia you decided it's a good plan to roleblock yourself to give town another mislynch as last mafia alive immediately losing you the game so sorry i have a really hard time seeing you being a world class mafia player. Now talk about something that is not your ego. | ||
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On March 23 2018 19:41 n00bKing wrote: Because I actually know how to accomplish more than one thing at the same time? From what i know no you don't, at least as town you don't. | ||
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On March 23 2018 19:41 n00bKing wrote: Because I actually know how to accomplish more than one thing at the same time? So do you scumread them or not? | ||
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Your post about 3 lurkers basically says nothing but that they are lurking. If you want to pressure them or think they are mafia i don't understand at all why you are voting for tictock instead, especially since you claimed on D1 that killing the non-playing people (aka sicklucker there) is the best play. I think you are directly contradicting what you said on D1 here, because -- as you are a logical player -- logically you should want to pressure lurkers to talk or kill them (as per your stance on D1). Which to me looks really scummy since you did this shit last game hard core. You pressed all people to scumhunt and then you threew it all into trash by voting for an afk Kelsier who was never gonna be lynched at the EoD. I don't care if you swapped your vote on Rels here, it doesn't take much brain to correct your obvious "mistake" you made as mafia last game. The point is. If you think the lurkers are mafia, why aren't you pressuring them instead of voting for Tictock? Why aren't you actually even calling them mafia? If you think they are not mafia why the hell are you even talking about them? What is the point? People are not commenting on your stuff because you are not really saying anything. If you wanna say something say why you think they are mafia or don't bring them up if you don't. Because to me it looks like you are just trying to find targets to lynch instead of trying to find mafia. If one person does say this, they might be wrong and you might be right in your narrative. But when 5 people tell you this then you should probably see what you are actually saying and think again. | ||
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On March 24 2018 02:54 MoosyDoosy wrote: Dude. Rayn. Tone down the aggression. Absolutely nothing transpired that warrants this aggression or anger from you. You get scum read, sucks man. Wagons don't go your way, feels bad. It doesn't warrant an outpouring of whining and anger. In fact, things are generally going your way and the majority of people are town reading you. Same thing with rsoultin. I get that you guys are veterans of this site and might feel entitled for some reason but I feel uncomfortable that you guys frequently flip the whiny frustrated switch at the smallest sign of resistance. And it contributes to a substantially shittier game. I dont think i am being aggressive, sarcastic yes. I get frustrated when people cant even think why i am doing the things i do. It doesnt matter to me if they scumread me or not but i cba to argue in my defense against things that are completely hilarious. Idk, i might start playing like disformation here, just comment on every thing that goes on in thread but never actually do anything with any information. I promise i will do that next game, it will for my own amusement. Dont even ask why i react to Koshi as i do. Funnily enough i do t feel like talking to anyone in this game atm except for Palmar and Mocsta, aside from you. Nothing has been done today except apparently people managed to kill Conversion and dick move analysis alone says he is town, so well done moat likely.Im just gonna get drunk tonight and probably tomorrow as well. | ||
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On March 24 2018 08:49 n00bKing wrote: lulz? *You* thought they were likely both the same alignment (and said so). *I* thought they were likely both the same alignment (and said so). Vivax thought they were likely both the same alignment (and said so). And that's just off the top of my head. Could have been more people who said things that were similar. But *nobody* was looking at it from the outside and saying they thought it was TvS, that I recall. This is a stupid argument and you should stop. | ||
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darthfoley, since i have completely forgotten what i think your alignment is do you remember who was the guy who said one or both of us have to be mafia? Basically he called the argument between us "forced" but couldn't tell if we are both mafia (which is always the case if an argument is forced). But then he added the "if not both at least one" which is completely bs since if a townie and mafia are arguing and you cannot tell which one of those is mafia then it is equally likely the argument is TvS than that it is TvT. | ||
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On March 24 2018 09:21 n00bKing wrote: Well, looks like both of the people you're addressing disagree with you. If you can't tell if an argument is TvT or SvS then you shouldn't even try because in fact you can't tell anything about that argument. | ||
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On March 24 2018 09:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Regarding this i actually have one thing to say. darthfoley, since i have completely forgotten what i think your alignment is do you remember who was the guy who said one or both of us have to be mafia? Basically he called the argument between us "forced" but couldn't tell if we are both mafia (which is always the case if an argument is forced). But then he added the "if not both at least one" which is completely bs since if a townie and mafia are arguing and you cannot tell which one of those is mafia then it is equally likely the argument is TvS than that it is TvT. I mean like, if youre town then it's a nice way to add fuel into a shitfest and if people buy it gg you bought two days for mafia. | ||
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On March 24 2018 09:28 Tictock wrote: This is the funniest thing I have read in this game all day. Almost sad, but still really funny. I realize I am doing that thing where I am just posting my thoughts and reactions to whatever strikes my fancy and probably not doing anything actually productive. I’m almost caught up though and will be home soon. So whatever that means. Can you tell me who you actually think is mafia? The problem i have with you is that usually when i play and you're town i ahve huge problems with you -- i mean in a way that you post some reads and i disagree with them all and then i think you are mafia and either i mislynch you or one of us dies. This game the only things i remember from you are things where you ask me something that can be easily explained in my filter straight out. It feels like you only read half of the posts and completely disregard others, like you pick a post that looks "bad" and not even call the dude (me) scum for it, just "question" them. That's why i think you look bad, almost the worst in the game in fact. | ||
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On March 24 2018 09:44 Tictock wrote: Yay a non WoT to quote. Similar question to you as I posed to Moosy. You guys were scum together last game, what is your read of him this game. And if you try to give me some shit kus I didn’t repaond to something you asked me you will have to ask it again. I only skim some of your posts. What do you think of the above post by noobking? Why do you quote a post you actually say nothing about? | ||
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On March 24 2018 10:04 Tictock wrote: Lmao You think I’m scum pretending that I haven’t read the game? Actually this is one of the things i agree with him, not in your words but his. You are putting words to his mouth. | ||
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On March 24 2018 10:28 Tictock wrote: Also since I did not directly respond to your answer, I was well aware that you had voted Rels earlier and then swapped back to DF before returning to Rels. I was hoping to get better idea of why Rels was so scummy to you, but don’t think I really got that. - Rels called me town - Rels' reads were not nowhere in line with mine - Rels didn't ask me anything anytime - I didn't feel the need to address this because the first time i voted for him i was not sure if i even wanna lynch him and second time well.. there was not much time and i only swapped myu vote because i thought df claimed doc and i didn't want to lynch Mocsta or Conversion. I also still find it an interesting inconsistency that you didn’t want to vote Conv because your scum reads were on him, but that never factored into your Rels vote. That is because i found Conversion townie and Rels not. Oh and I still think it is spooky that you called Moosy town so early and so adimently. I also called Moosy mafia in last game obs QT probably like 12 hrs into the game. Do you find that spooky too? Idk, i can't answer you on that, i think he is town and that's it. [/QUOTE] | ||
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On March 24 2018 10:30 Tictock wrote: Idk why but I felt like I needed to quote one of his posts to ask the question as seeing him posting made me want to ask. The post itself is completely useless as it can’t possibly go anywhere. So you don't feel like he is misrepresenting the situation at all? Like Conversion who modkilled himself and me and whoever else he was talking aabout all the same? | ||
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On March 24 2018 10:34 Tictock wrote: Where? He literally just said in that post that it makes no sense for me as Town to stop reading to look at the flips, but that I as scum would pretend to still be reading when I have in fact caught up. I play scum similar to you rayn, in that I really don’t lie expect for the obvious. He was saying that your approach to a situation looks like scum (which i kind of agree with), because town players do not do that. Aka he is saying it MUST be that you are not telling the truth about what you say, and it looks like you are doing what you do because you are mafia. | ||
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Guess I can let that HF stuff go. [...] Noting for myself to look into who Vivax was scum reading. Because in my world you are "pushing yourself" into wrong direction. And that's just not because of reads but also how you treat those two people here, Vivax is basically "i wanna sheep him", and HF is "maybe i can townread him now". That sounds unnatural as hell to me. | ||
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The problem i have with that line of thought is the following: We can probably agree Palmar isn't completely unaware of what happens in the game, especially close to the lynch D1. If Palmar is mafia there is actually zero benefit for him to downplay his accusation on disformation after the claim because: 1) thread sentiment suggest not lynching disformation anymore 2) he can use that as a cover up into eternity for not doing anything other than saying "lynch disformation" Therefore i came to conclusion that this: My gut says that veteran is both a stupid and weird claim for mafia to make. It's also one of those types of claims that bad townies feel really comfortable revealing, because they don't understand the role of a veteran in the game. Thus if I was forced to bet, I'd bet town on disfo. ...line of thought has to be legit thought process and the only explanation for "breaking character" is this. There is literally zero reason for Palmar to break character here regardless of disformation's alignment since not doing so ONLY helps his mafia play because it's correct (1) metawise, (2) noone can blame him fro that, (3) it gives him an excuse to not do anything. If disformation is mafia, the seed of bussing would have been implemented already before the claim so it makes no sense for him to not continue that. If disformation is town, there is ABSOLUTELY no reason Palmar should "lay off" him like he did. Here is an example of Palmar breaking character as mafia. One big game there was we had a similar type of situation where Vivax claimed a role D1 when being lynched. Palmar is known for his "lynch claimers" policy, although he is a bit of a hypocrite in that tbh, lots of words why it's the best play, always do the opposing thing.... I, in that game, kept my vote on Vivax and tried to get him lynched because i didn't think the claim means anything. Palmar comes in -> says he reads me town -> says he will sheep me -> votes for the counter-wagon Rels. That is how Palmar breaks character as mafia, doing something completely illogical that fucks him up immediately + Show Spoiler + (except that it doesn't since none of the plebs were able to lynch him in that game while me and Artanis shouted all N1 "Palmar is mafia" and got both killed N1) TLDR; There is zero reason for Palmar to break character he is very well aware of regardless of disformation's alignment. Another thing is the coag townie seal that noobking talked about. I can't understand how he can come to a conclusion that "if Palmar is mafia he is lying" because i think that's a completely unnatural thought. There are more players in the game who know coag than Palmar, and the reason why noone is "contesting" the townie seal "case" is because well.. that's how it is. I can't figure out where the line of "if Palmar is mafia then he can be lying" comes from because that's not an option for him as mafia regardless of coag's alignment. I am not sure why noobking throws all these things into trash and just follows one line of thought (which is definitely less likely than this). This is not even any sort of meta thing, this is just "why would town/mafia do this and how likely" which is what he loves all that much (like i do). | ||
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I agree that the above thing is something a townie would say, but i kind of disagree it makes noobking townier because of how he looks at things and here he seems to be working completely differently than for example with his stuff on Tictock. That being said i also think Tictock looks way better for his latest posts. | ||
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1) noobking is mafia with lurkers 2) mafia doesn't care about what's happening -- aka mafia are lurkers That is, if i am in fact correct and tictock isn't mafia after all. | ||
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On March 24 2018 22:53 rsoultin wrote: You're not supposed to say this before he answers my questions ;o; He will still fuck up if he is mafia. | ||
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On March 24 2018 22:56 rsoultin wrote: True. And if he's town, I like how he thinks with that poke into Palmar. Worth keeping around. I think here is where we disagree. | ||
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On March 24 2018 22:52 rsoultin wrote: If I can keep focused long enough, I need to double check HF's reasons for wanting TT dead. I do remember something about TT defending mocsta before reading or something, but it's hazy. I definitely don't think his post at the start of today was weird at all. Yeah, that was the other thought. The timing on noob pushing that. I'm just going to do that now while it's still fresh and then maybe try to sleep this off. And, really, I feel like TT and disinfo have been some of the people most actively digging this day phase. TT you could argue is on the chopping block, so it's not as alignment indicative for him. But yeah. What does that mean? | ||
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On March 24 2018 23:04 rsoultin wrote: The headache @.@. It's not quite at nauseous level but it's getting there. No i mean are you planning to follow up on D2 or not? | ||
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On March 21 2018 19:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: I cant understand how FF could at the time read rsoultin town for "trying to solve game and posting a lot" and also have no clue what the thing on Slam is as it was what rsoultin had mostly talked about. I keep going back to this over and over again. | ||
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##vote Fecalfeast I am not completely opposed to noobking lynch, and can switch to either darthfoley or disformation but it seems like the latter two aren't getting lynched no matter what i say. I try to check in still closer to deadline but i can't promise anything. | ||
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On March 25 2018 10:03 darthfoley wrote: Like many people have sworn i'm scum this game but no one has had the balls to try and lynch me. But why would scum try to lead a mislynch on me when town is imploding (e.g. the leading 5 wagons are all town)? except for me so wha5t does that tell you? | ||
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On March 25 2018 10:24 darthfoley wrote: Rayn/Palmar/Koshi/Moosy would be interesting. I think it was Vivax who was uncomfortable with rayn town reading HF so easily. Called it semi TMI I think? Or maybe i am just good and you are mafia or.. well.. bad. | ||
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On March 25 2018 09:46 darthfoley wrote: My biggest concern with rayn, off the top of my head rather than reading his filter, is that this game he's felt all too comfortable not being in control or leading lynches. Like he's called me mafia for a couple days but did he ever truly try to get me lynched? He even ended up even voting with me on Rels (after I had voted for Rels). Has he really tried to get anyone lynched? His lack of aggression (and yes, aggression is different from shit fighting) is troubling. Palmar/Koshi/rayn all consider themselves alpha males, but all three have been playing like betas. We need to find the difference between lazy play and scum I am super beta and you can call me that, maybe ppl will learn you are mafia after they lynch me. | ||
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On March 25 2018 12:03 darthfoley wrote: It's night you buffoon. Go back to bed and vote for me during the day it is day yoiu fuckface. | ||
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On March 25 2018 12:03 Tictock wrote: Idk the more I go through Dis's filter I can see something that looks like an overwhelmed Dis, but then posts like this jump out at me. Feel's so off coming from a claimed Veteran. Overall I kinda come back to the feeling I started with. Dis is definitely commenting on the game and posting quite a bit, but everything feels so surface level to me and uninvolved. It is because he is mafia but it's okay noone is gonna believe you. | ||
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On March 25 2018 12:03 darthfoley wrote: It's night you buffoon. Go back to bed and vote for me during the day You seriously clami you think it is night phase? | ||
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On March 25 2018 12:11 Tictock wrote: RAYN GO DRINK SOME WATER! I agree i will. | ||
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On March 25 2018 12:13 darthfoley wrote: i'm probably just gonna ask for you to get banned for a game or something post game. i'm tired of you flaming me for no reason ok | ||
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On March 25 2018 08:44 rsoultin wrote: Yeah, off-the cuff gut, Palmar/Koshi. Town koshi isn't shining through. Palmar is playing on the weekend. Slam might be the third. Not sure on the fourth. FF can always be scum. Or just not. Cause yeah, how does anyone read FF? I'd advise against going for the low-hanging fruit. Put on y'all's big-boy pants, because if we just lynch players who always look like they could be scum, that's game unless we get the luck of the draw. Will have to reread everything and see what looks different @.@ If you're town, DF, I need you to pull out all the stops. You and mocsta. If my world is in any way near the truth, we're going to have to do the heavy lifting. And I can't confidently say you're town here, DF. Make my life easier. I am not going to believe you believe his post. | ||
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On March 25 2018 08:44 rsoultin wrote: Yeah, off-the cuff gut, Palmar/Koshi. Town koshi isn't shining through. Palmar is playing on the weekend. Slam might be the third. Not sure on the fourth. FF can always be scum. Or just not. Cause yeah, how does anyone read FF? I'd advise against going for the low-hanging fruit. Put on y'all's big-boy pants, because if we just lynch players who always look like they could be scum, that's game unless we get the luck of the draw. Will have to reread everything and see what looks different @.@ If you're town, DF, I need you to pull out all the stops. You and mocsta. If my world is in any way near the truth, we're going to have to do the heavy lifting. And I can't confidently say you're town here, DF. Make my life easier. Dont even care about the fact all reads here are not actually reads but some idk... just some mindless shouting. Then there is the fact that i am not "wanted to lead the town" and neither am i scum. I am definitely just a lurker or what? Tina fucked up. Murder scum. | ||
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On March 25 2018 13:54 Alakaslam wrote: I live and die all at once Who had more to drink? Me or you? I think you're dead. | ||
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On March 25 2018 09:09 Calix wrote: Apologies for the delayed reaction. I forgot that Alakaslam missed his Day 1 vote. Therefore, Alakaslam has been mod-killed. He was a Vanilla Townie. | ||
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On March 27 2018 03:17 Palmar wrote: The problem I have with rayn is that while he has posted a lot of text (most of which I haven't read), he doesn't really have any influence in town. He's ceded basically all influence to me and a few other people, which is unnatural for him. That's because thiwe town is apparently full of shit players who can't bother to listen so i can't bother to try. So fuck you too. | ||
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On March 27 2018 07:55 darthfoley wrote: I've cases Koshi and Rayn specifically since D1. Cool can you show me those cases? | ||
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There is no way to convince Mocsta because whoever disgrees with his reads is scum or "fuck you". I don't even know what Tictock is saying right now, i have never sheeped Koshi, i have never sheeped Vivax, i have never even considered either of those things (except for disformation D1). Talking to him is like talking to a brick because apparently he's living in some la-la-land where things happened completely differently than they did in my game. Unfortunately those two are town. Other people are just useless or mafia. | ||
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On March 27 2018 06:07 Tictock wrote: Rayn makes sense to me there since he kept posting to sheep Koshi and Vivax last phase. Never explained where that Koshi or really early Moosy read came from. Everything is wrong in these sentences. Literally everything. | ||
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darthfoley is mafia because it's very bs he "scumreads" me (and rsoultin and Koshi) but only N1 actaully starts "pushing us" (or well says so -- he didn't actually push anything and even when we were arguing he talked to me like you talk to a townie) based on reasoning that was there all D1. Also the reasoning -- at least on me -- is shitty as hell. tldr; his scumreads are based on things that don't actually make people scum. FF and Palmar basically need to be mafia because noone else is. My 2c. | ||
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On March 27 2018 13:33 Mocsta wrote: Regarding DF and the poor scum reads criteria. Remember that HF tried to get me lynched Day1 and was woefully wrong. Like, i havent really read anything from DF so wont defend him other than he maintained activity Night2 (in a way that I think helped me + rsoultin) which I think was important. I dont see scum motivation for that, but can examine filter if needed. df helped you in getting onto wrong track and you think it makes him town? ok. | ||
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On March 27 2018 14:14 Tictock wrote: Sarcasm or no in some of the smaller posts... You clearly TR Koshi for very little reason all over your D1 and D2 filter, he keeps showing up as town in posts and in lists. I also literally found a townread of yours where you say "I am trusting Koshi here" You really want to argue this? And you can't find the difference between townread and sheeping. | ||
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On March 27 2018 16:11 MoosyDoosy wrote: Also if you guys are town you guys are literally all ass for voting for claimed blues lmao. I literally checked voting thread to see who voted claimed blues and literally I think everyone did That is because there is never going to be a world where disformation and Koshi are both telling the truth. | ||
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On March 27 2018 16:13 Mocsta wrote: If scum only have 2KP available, then, a mislynch is almost guaranteed to be GG (unless town have another means of KP block we dont know about) Regardless of what i think this is true. | ||
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On March 27 2018 16:13 MoosyDoosy wrote: Okay but we have a better chance of killing someone in non claim pool than claimed pool. The numbers are better. Like I'm surprised you or Palmar who seems to be all about playing optimally haven't harped about this Dude. I don't know about Palmar because he is probably mafia but i want to lynch mafia and the last time you have seen me playing... well i don't play like that anymore. I tell who is scum and then people believe it or not. I am done with the convincing part after being lynched a couple of times by Koshi when all i did was push mafia and one time when i called out 7 people in a big game after afking for valentines day, 5 of them were mafia and one SK, i got lynched for it. I really don't care, people do what they want to, i play for my own amusement and see if i am right or not. | ||
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On March 27 2018 16:28 MoosyDoosy wrote: hey rayn would you kill fecal with me The thing is the blues aka Koshi/disformation will never solve themselves as you suggest. Basically your suggestion is correct when there is a normal situation with blues, but this doesn't apply because: - If disformation is town scum will never shoot him - If Koshi is town scum will just rb him Both will always live, in the "best case scenario" for town (where they are both town). Therefore it is a correct play to lynch into them because BOTH probably as mafia will claim what they did as they are roleblocker. This is only mechanically speaking ofc, not accounting at all what they have posted. | ||
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On March 28 2018 08:16 Half the Sky wrote: reading mafia qt..... rayn /m173 "Hey guys! We are gonna win this game Chezinu style. Let's kill all players from up -> down in the playerlist!" wow..... you guys had way too much fun (and whisky??) in there  I tried but they went and shot TT. Pffffff... | ||
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ill submit: rayn kill: rsoultin rayn jail: mocsta palmar kill: tictock palmar watch: mocsta and watch the thread. think mocsta just posted some stuff on you... maybe tina changes her opinion again Uh.. disformation. Aside from not jailing rsoultin why were we even jailing and watching the same guy? | ||
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I have honestly no idea where TT got his read on me because everything he said was wrong. My moosy read for example was really easy to find, here; On March 20 2018 17:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because ha cannot work with incomplete information which results in this. At this point Moosy had posted all the first page of the game and then basically just trolled. Which is in line of his town play since he has no clue what to do, especially early on, when working with incomplete information. Obviously i didn't care if you think i am mafia with him at that point. The other points you also made were very wrong, like sheeping Koshi and Vivax, when i specifically had never sheeped Koshi and my whole "read" on Vivax was even after he died "super paranoid -> wrong -> can't convince anyone", i never even entertained any of the reads Vivax had so i have no idea where you got that stuff. It was funny df scumread me for being boring and not doing what he thinks is boring at the same time... | ||
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On March 28 2018 14:08 rsoultin wrote: if i have as many doubts on rayn as i did this game again i'm going to know not to dismiss it as paranoid in future lol >< I will tell you a secret, after, or well starting from 1-day mafia i have been playing mostly against you when i am mafia aka breaking my meta because i am not sure what i can get away with and not with you the most. I am so rude. | ||
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On March 27 2018 07:41 Mocsta wrote: mafia is a team game for both alignments. have correct suspicion, doesn't meet the game definition of winning. wasnt this already debated prior when damdred got lynched d1 with correct reads. you still need to convince people to lynch them - otherwise pointless. Thats why I will always have respect for marvellosity. There was this game he created a fake account years ago as fivetouch. as a complete nobody he got the entire town onside and lynched mafia day1. Very real crisis leadership. i dont think any of the players in this game could do that; many are relying on reputations due to "correct suspicions". The closest may actualy be Koshi, but for different reasons to fivetouch. Koshi as town *CAN* be very involving from what I have seen in 2018. Again, this is why he is scum this game. ciao. Also Mocsta, this post is very wrong. If i am completely honest here, while marvellosity is/was one of the best town players the only reason he is so good is because he cannot play as mafia. I have almost zero respect for people who can only play as one alignment, or well.. are only good as town because people naturally believe them as they are basically confirmed town, and for example Holyflare is on a completely different level because he can actually play as mafia and for that reason has to ACTUALLY work on convincing people as town when not confirmed. And still manages to lead. | ||
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Well, do you think there is a job where your boss comes weekly and says either "now you need to offer these people the best deal possible", or alternatively "now you need to lie to these people and look like you're selling good shit but give them dog poo instead and also you need to make it look like it wasn't you". And you never know what's it gonna be next week. | ||
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[M][T] PYP: Pick Your Protoss Mini Mafia Mafia Dark Templar Lynched Day 1 [N] Assassination Mafia! Mafia Recruiting Mason Endgamed Day 3 [M][N] Completely Normal Generic Mini Mafia Mafia Vanilla Lynched Day 3 [S] Student Mafia XV Mafia Vanilla Endgamed Night 1 [M][N] Really Small Mafia II Mafia Vanilla Lynched Day 1 | ||
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When let's say HF or even me are perfectly logical in a game that doesn't mean we are believed just because there is the emotional factor in these games as well where you go "but what if...", if you discount that factor (where someone cannot actually make those kind of posts as mafia -- aka is always town there), it is so much more easier to sheep them. | ||
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On March 28 2018 18:03 disformation wrote: nah we had palmar watching you n1 and saw her visit you. since she was tring your fairly hard and that post you quoted d3, we were pretty sure she is doc or jk. I am pretty sure she was doc or jk wayyy early on D2. | ||
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Palmar obviously had figured that out already. | ||
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The only reason i asked is why did you think so, actually it was not even 100% we would have won if we did it "my way" and blocked rsoultin since if she lynches mafia we cannot block her the next night (as retarded role) and we face the same situation where we need her to NOT jail correctly or lynch townie the next day. Like, it was the correct play in my mind now, but i can understand if someone thinks it is not. And even if you do feel like you fucked up i am not blaming you lol. | ||
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On March 29 2018 01:45 Holyflare wrote: The moral of this game? Don't buy 4 ply toilet paper. If they just did listen you would have won. | ||
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On March 29 2018 05:15 MoosyDoosy wrote: meh @rsoultin, the thing is I'm far more likely as town to not listen to anyone and do my own thing. Like in the last game i interacted with you willingly and this game was the exact opposite. Yeah, aside from the super scummy rsoultin case last game you were basically "what do we think of..." which is like complete opposite to this game. | ||
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