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n00bKing
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n00bKing
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On March 20 2018 08:00 MoosyDoosy wrote: Also the number of players in this game worries me. Someone will have to enlighten me on setup because I do not know what it is. Can't be me this time, because I don't know what it is either. I guess the most important question would be: How many mafia are there? The answer to this question will heavily influence all kinds of strategic decisions. | ||
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n00bKing
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On March 20 2018 08:08 KelsierSC wrote: maybe when we get deeper into the game. "Strategy" for the first few days is not be a fucktard , show yourself to be town and then we just lynch people who can't follow those rules Nah. Knowledge of that answer will be critical by Day 2 at the very latest. Anyway, will PM host with that question (and others. There are several things left unclarified in the OP that we should probably have answers to, even in a "semi-open setup") | ||
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n00bKing
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On March 20 2018 08:57 Vivax wrote: I think this is an awful reason to scumread Moosy. ExO picked the first inconsistency he could find. And what is it even? Moosy scum lean cause he wanted setup explained but he /outed earlier because of the amount of players and if he does the first he can't do the latter??? I don't even see the connection between the two sentences. Mmhmm. "/out because too many players" and "can't be bothered to read the setup" is no kind of inconsistency. | ||
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n00bKing
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On March 20 2018 11:44 Tictock wrote: First off, I have no idea how on earth you believe that you can tell if HF is a role or not based on his ~4 posts. Second, there is literally no reason why town should be concerned about someone being a role or not in the first few hours of the game. Third, even IF you did somehow have a god read about HF's role status you should realize it is only in Mafia's interest to point that out. ##Vote: Exo I just can't believe you actually have this "role read", and can be this bothered by Vivax pinging you to hard defend it as town. This is a super-terrible reason to vote against someone. It is only in Mafia's interest for a TOWN player to point it out. It's not really in Mafia's interest at all for Mafia to point it out. What is the Mafia motivation supposed to be, for making such an observation? | ||
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n00bKing
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I would support nearly any course of action that makes darthfoley stop doing what he's doing. I like Koshi's vote on disfo, so I'm gonna join that effort. ##Vote: disformation More votes on ykl would also be a good thing. | ||
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On March 20 2018 12:16 ykl wrote: instead makes a quick side track to challenge Ticktock instead. Nervous about something? | ||
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On March 20 2018 13:20 ykl wrote: Yeah, slightly. Nice deflect though, would you still want to address why you choose to completely ignore the person that's scum reading and voting for you? "Still?" I don't think I ever offered any indication that I was interested in addressing that. If I end up having something to say to Conversion, I'll do so. On March 20 2018 13:20 ykl wrote: I'm also having a hard time seeing where you are voting for makes sense. You apparently scumread both me and disformation but never really provided a good explanation as to why you think Koshi's vote on disformation is a good case at all to the point where you'd follow that vote instead. "Instead?" Like, instead of following some other vote? Which vote was I supposed to follow "instead?" | ||
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n00bKing
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On March 20 2018 14:10 Mocsta wrote: Interesting game so far. I have observed many are hung up that others arent playing the game, they believe it should be played. Have we forgotten that mafia dont want early spotlight.. that most of us do the stupid shit not when we are mafia, but instead, when we are town? I think an environment is being created where yes, plenty of stones are being lifted: Ex0, Conversion, Disinfo, ykl to name a few. However, are these really the best stones we could lift? I have decided to look elsewhere, and found a stone worth sharing with all. Now if you want to be smart and say: "Oi m8, if this stone has blended in; how did you find it", my response simply is "You suck, thats how" Now for the big reveal: This stone has a filter that rhymes with COCK BLOCK.. yes, it can only be: [youtube stuff here] ##Vote: Tictock 6/10 on your YouTube video. The original is probably better. Meanwhile, I don't really see that your vote and your introduction to your vote are synced too well. It's fine to posit that mafia don't want an early spotlight. But I don't think it can be argued that Tictock is keeping his head down and blending in. His last post made a point of saying how happy he is with where he has his vote, and then talked about how I had a "good shot" at being mafia "as well." So he's caught two baddies in the first half of Day 1, has he? I mean, that kind of post is likely to draw attention just from the sheer magnitude of the silliness involved. So if most of us do stupid shit when we are town, why would you deny Tictock the townlean that his stupid shit ought to have earned him? | ||
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n00bKing
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On March 20 2018 15:56 rsoultin wrote: Slam is not giving me the adorable aimless vibes. I usually love reading his posts and keeping him around. Might be scum. Can you describe the difference between his posts in this game, and the last? I think you'd agree that if they aren't the same thing, they are at least *meant* to *look* like the same thing. So what's keeping them from looking like the same thing? | ||
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On March 20 2018 16:15 Mocsta wrote: Last post for a bit. Need to reserve some for influx of people waking up. In short, I find #291 to be a serious post. I think it demonstrates a lack of care to read the thread. Does this make Ex0_ mafia or town... well, whilst both parties do this, I think town is more likely than mafia to NOT read closely early game; and mafia is more likely than town to do this as the game progresses and becomes a waiting match. Yup. | ||
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On March 20 2018 17:00 Holyflare wrote: Not really true. Mafia want to post anything they can under the guise of scum hunting. Posting that I'm not a role isn't helping mafia in ANY way, it doesn't further any kind of scum read since I'm vt or mafia and it's just a completely empty read with nothing said. Good scum read. For one, saying you're not a power role does not fall "under the guise of scum hunting." Meanwhile, if you don't think saying you aren't a role helps Mafia in ANY way, then you must be completely disagreeing with what Ticktock said here? | ||
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What are you asking him not to do? | ||
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On March 20 2018 18:00 Holyflare wrote: I don't think it helps mafia if he's town because he can't know what I am. It's pointless. It helps mafia if he's mafia because he uses this pointless post to try and fit in with scum hunting. Think you're wrong on both counts. It isn't pointless, if he's right, and it's based on something the mafia would otherwise have overlooked. This was the only part of what Tictock said that I actually agree with. And it doesn't help mafia if he's mafia because it does not "fit in with scum hunting." It's not scum hunting, that's why I just said it does not fall "under the guise of scum hunting." On March 20 2018 18:00 Holyflare wrote: Even last game when someone said I'm mafia medic or town medic had some thought process behind it. Yeah, BAD thought process. lol Conversely, Exo's thought process might actually make sense. If it does, he shouldn't be talking about it (again, this is the only thing I agree with Tictock about) but mafia doesn't make that misstep, there's no scum motivation behind taking that step, since it can't further the scum agenda and can only draw unwanted attention. | ||
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On March 20 2018 19:51 KelsierSC wrote: yeh it's not good. I don't know what it means alignment wise. I feel that if you're town you just have fun as town whereas if you rolled mafia the second time in 3 games and you wanted to make things fun fun yourself/hide you would make a persona. I can't say it makes him town or mafia but if I had to pick I would say it is more scum sided. Don't really agree, personally. How does the persona help him hide, if how annoying it is becomes a topic of conversation? I also haven't known scum players to normally be bored enough that they have to do anything like inventing a persona, in order to keep themselves entertained. Drawing a scum role should never be boring, it's pulling a town role that's boring. (I believe someone already said early in this thread that they pulled a town role and it's boring.) I haven't seen many people invent a role like this for themselves, but when they have, they've been town (and then they've been asked to cut it out, much like what's been happening to darthfoley here.) So while we mostly agree that it doesn't point too strongly in either direction, if *I* had to pick I would say it is more of a town indicator. | ||
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On March 21 2018 07:37 Mocsta wrote: Palmar, im the vig btw. Dont care to say it because mafia dont have a RB. lolwut | ||
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On March 20 2018 20:05 Holyflare wrote: Last game where noobking was mafia he just focused on "scum reading" me in an attempt to shit up the thread and cause confusion instead of calling people town or mafia and giving reasons False. I called someone mafia (you) and gave reasons. I didn't try to shit up the thread OR cause confusion, I only tried to help Moosy escape the Noose by trying to put someone else into it. Like, EVERY word of what you're saying is wrong. On March 20 2018 20:05 Holyflare wrote: His play style as mafia (from a one game meta) was to ONLY point out logical fallacies and never actually scum hunt or see why people would make those mistakes. Pointing out logical fallacies and inconsistencies IS scumhunting. Scum have difficulty keeping their logic consistent because their needs change. Scum employ logical fallacies to push agendas that aren't actually logical. The only reason I pursued these things as scum is because it matches proper town play. Every time you encounter one of my arguments that you don't like (and/or cannot refute) you try to hand-wave it away as "semantics." I gave clear and precise reasoning for why what Exo did was town-indicative. You don't have to agree, but you sure can't win the point by just running away and crying "semantics!" Your style of argumentation would be useless even to a middle school debate team. IF you're Town in this game, just stay out of my way, and wait for me to drag your dead weight across the finish line. | ||
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On March 21 2018 01:20 Conversion wrote: What confuses me about n00bking is why he refuses to even briefly acknowledge that I want to lynch him. Why would any town just flat out refuse to discuss with the one person calling them scum, if even just to generate the reasons behind it? He's clearly active enough in the thread to nitpick certain posts, so I'm curious as to see if he's going to explain why he's not engaging me Engaging you about what? To "generate the reasons behind" your vote against me? If your vote is earnest, then generating the reasons behind it is your job, not mine. lol Assuming your vote wasn't earnest, then your tactic is one I've employed many times, and the town was better-served by me letting it play out, instead of immediately demonstrating how there was no reason to vote against me, and shutting down what you were trying to do. If you *were* using that tactic, then I was just as interested to see who might follow along as you were. If you weren't, then I guess you were only wasting time, but oh well. | ||
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On March 21 2018 02:29 rsoultin wrote: There's a bit of tinfoil with ykl that perhaps scummates might be pinging him because they know he's scum and that's why the reasons are so flimsy, but I really have no reason to read him anything. There will rarely be much reason to read anyone as anything, when we're halfway through the first phase of the game. I didn't say ykl was a good place for votes because I found especially compelling reasons to find him scum. He's a good place for votes because, by his own admission, he hasn't played mafia-by-forum before. That means that if he's scum, he's probably more likely than average to crack under pressure, and give himself away somehow. Lurkers and inexperienced players are always good places to apply pressure, and see what kind of reactions you get. Was rather disappointed to see you try and shield him. And HF's conduct was even worse (what else is new?) as he even went so far as to intervene in my questioning of the player, and answer for him. Answering for other players during a line of questioning is usually bad, but it's especially bad if the player being questioned is inexperienced. | ||
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On March 21 2018 03:26 darthfoley wrote: Like why does this matter? Idk and you don't either. Step 1) I notice that Alakaslam doesn't feel quite the same to me as in the previous game. It seems like his posts are an attempt to artificially recreate his play from the previous game, instead of an authentic repeat of his play from the previous game. Step 2) rsoul then makes almost the exact same observation. Step 3) I ask rsoul if she can elaborate on the difference between his play in the two games, so that I can tell if there's any sort of real substantiation that I can investigate, or if she's stuck in the same boat I am (with nothing better to explain the difference than "feelz.") Unfortunately it sounded like she's stuck in the same boat I am. Making me hesitant to join her effort to get votes on Alakaslam is the fact that in her first lengthy post of the thread, her read on Alakaslam was virtually the ONLY thing that lined up with my own thoughts. Whereas, in the previous game (where I know she was town) her thoughts aligned with what Town me would have been thinking on nearly every non-Holyflare-related subject, the entire game. | ||
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