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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 20 2018 08:07 GMT
#323
Okay you're town.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 20 2018 08:09 GMT
#324
Although it's not really even defending logic, it is more like the feeling from his posts is "teacher told me to do this so i am gonna find a scientific reasoning to say X not because i think it's true but because someone said this reasoning is valid 10000 years ago".
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 20 2018 08:10 GMT
#326
On March 20 2018 17:09 Holyflare wrote:
I also think moosy is scummy because the only person to "call him out" was exo and apparently he felt enough pressure/angst to vote himself off of that. Don't know whether I should listen to mafia moosy's post last game on whether he's reformed and base things off that or not though.

Was initially a town read for being happy but now not.

I 100% disagree, I think Moosy is town.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 20 2018 08:16 GMT
#330
Because ha cannot work with incomplete information which results in this.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 20 2018 08:18 GMT
#332
On March 20 2018 17:17 Holyflare wrote:
2. Conversion
3. ExO_
5. Alakaslam
11. n00bking
13. Rels
15. Palmar
16. Fecalfeast
18. sicklucker
19. Koshi
20. MoosyDoosy

Shit list so far. Conversion and noob being there together bugs me but they're both independently scummy/off.

I would remove FF and Moosy. Also possibly Koshi because regardless of if he is right or wrong on disformation i believe his read is genuine.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 20 2018 08:54 GMT
#347
On March 20 2018 17:47 ExO_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2018 16:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 20 2018 16:15 Mocsta wrote:
On March 20 2018 16:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Gonna look into it in 15mins when i am home, igot into middle of something rn. In the meantime any thoughts on my post 291?
Last post for a bit. Need to reserve some for influx of people waking up.

In short, I find #291 to be a serious post. I think it demonstrates a lack of care to read the thread.
Does this make Ex0_ mafia or town... well, whilst both parties do this, I think town is more likely than mafia to NOT read closely early game; and mafia is more likely than town to do this as the game progresses and becomes a waiting match.

I get what you are saying here but my problem is that the FIRST and pretty much the ONLY thing Exo focused on at that point in the game was the Kelsier "read" from Holyflare. I literally gave him the answer he was looking for and Kelsier commented on THAT post.

Exo reads Kelsier's post but somehow he has managed to completely miss the post Kelsier is commenting on (aka my post) when it is pretty much the ONLY thing he has focused in the game so far. I find it quite hard to believe a townie picks up something they find interesting and then either:
1) completely forget it was interesting the next moment, or
2) completely "miss" the point made on the fact that he found interesting and even question the dude who basically points out the post again.


I’m pretty confused here. Kelsier made a comment your post was the beat in the game so far, and implied it was because you agreed mocsta was being a fucktard. You never said this.
Re-reading just now, he’s trying to claim these were two separate statements (your post was best, mocsta is a fucktard) but It didn’t read that way to me.


His "best point" was a comment to me telling Holyflare's Kelsier read is completely crap, something you were interested in earlier but somehow managed to miss this, twice.......
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 20 2018 09:04 GMT
#356
On March 20 2018 18:02 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2018 17:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 20 2018 17:47 ExO_ wrote:
On March 20 2018 16:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 20 2018 16:15 Mocsta wrote:
On March 20 2018 16:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Gonna look into it in 15mins when i am home, igot into middle of something rn. In the meantime any thoughts on my post 291?
Last post for a bit. Need to reserve some for influx of people waking up.

In short, I find #291 to be a serious post. I think it demonstrates a lack of care to read the thread.
Does this make Ex0_ mafia or town... well, whilst both parties do this, I think town is more likely than mafia to NOT read closely early game; and mafia is more likely than town to do this as the game progresses and becomes a waiting match.

I get what you are saying here but my problem is that the FIRST and pretty much the ONLY thing Exo focused on at that point in the game was the Kelsier "read" from Holyflare. I literally gave him the answer he was looking for and Kelsier commented on THAT post.

Exo reads Kelsier's post but somehow he has managed to completely miss the post Kelsier is commenting on (aka my post) when it is pretty much the ONLY thing he has focused in the game so far. I find it quite hard to believe a townie picks up something they find interesting and then either:
1) completely forget it was interesting the next moment, or
2) completely "miss" the point made on the fact that he found interesting and even question the dude who basically points out the post again.


I’m pretty confused here. Kelsier made a comment your post was the beat in the game so far, and implied it was because you agreed mocsta was being a fucktard. You never said this.
Re-reading just now, he’s trying to claim these were two separate statements (your post was best, mocsta is a fucktard) but It didn’t read that way to me.


His "best point" was a comment to me telling Holyflare's Kelsier read is completely crap, something you were interested in earlier but somehow managed to miss this, twice.......


I also thought he was referencing your mocsta point. You apparently did too because you said "what mocsta point"

The thing is if he really cared about this he would go read my filter and maybe he missed my post on Kelsier earlier but there is no way he goes read my filter and misses it the second time around.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 20 2018 09:05 GMT
#358
I also dont understand why someone refers to my Mocsta "point" because i never had one and clearly said so.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 20 2018 09:06 GMT
#359
On March 20 2018 08:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2018 08:35 KelsierSC wrote:
I think rayn has the best point so far by a long way,

mocsta has posted dumb shit and is definitely failing the fucktard test

Am i missing something because i don't know what my point you are referring to is?
I don't think anything Mocsta has posted makes him anything.

So if my point is not Mocsta, what could it be?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 20 2018 09:14 GMT
#364
On March 20 2018 18:07 ExO_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2018 18:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 20 2018 18:02 Holyflare wrote:
On March 20 2018 17:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 20 2018 17:47 ExO_ wrote:
On March 20 2018 16:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 20 2018 16:15 Mocsta wrote:
On March 20 2018 16:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Gonna look into it in 15mins when i am home, igot into middle of something rn. In the meantime any thoughts on my post 291?
Last post for a bit. Need to reserve some for influx of people waking up.

In short, I find #291 to be a serious post. I think it demonstrates a lack of care to read the thread.
Does this make Ex0_ mafia or town... well, whilst both parties do this, I think town is more likely than mafia to NOT read closely early game; and mafia is more likely than town to do this as the game progresses and becomes a waiting match.

I get what you are saying here but my problem is that the FIRST and pretty much the ONLY thing Exo focused on at that point in the game was the Kelsier "read" from Holyflare. I literally gave him the answer he was looking for and Kelsier commented on THAT post.

Exo reads Kelsier's post but somehow he has managed to completely miss the post Kelsier is commenting on (aka my post) when it is pretty much the ONLY thing he has focused in the game so far. I find it quite hard to believe a townie picks up something they find interesting and then either:
1) completely forget it was interesting the next moment, or
2) completely "miss" the point made on the fact that he found interesting and even question the dude who basically points out the post again.


I’m pretty confused here. Kelsier made a comment your post was the beat in the game so far, and implied it was because you agreed mocsta was being a fucktard. You never said this.
Re-reading just now, he’s trying to claim these were two separate statements (your post was best, mocsta is a fucktard) but It didn’t read that way to me.


His "best point" was a comment to me telling Holyflare's Kelsier read is completely crap, something you were interested in earlier but somehow managed to miss this, twice.......


I also thought he was referencing your mocsta point. You apparently did too because you said "what mocsta point"

The thing is if he really cared about this he would go read my filter and maybe he missed my post on Kelsier earlier but there is no way he goes read my filter and misses it the second time around.



I did reread your filter. However I didn’t make the connection here.

That being said, Kelsier, as of right now what’s your read on HF?

Okay let's makje it very simple, if what you say is true why do you after reading this:
Normally i wouldn't bother but i don't wanna read pages of useless discussion when the game before the last one Kelsier had ~30 posts D1, managed to find 2 mafia in his 2 mafia reads, shot mafia on N1 and got shot on N1 so he is perfectly capable of trying and also playing well doing so. I don't know where you get what you're smoking since you played that game.

post this:
On March 20 2018 10:44 ExO_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2018 08:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 20 2018 08:35 KelsierSC wrote:
I think rayn has the best point so far by a long way,

mocsta has posted dumb shit and is definitely failing the fucktard test

Am i missing something because i don't know what my point you are referring to is?
I don't think anything Mocsta has posted makes him anything.



@KelsierSC what point did Rayn have that was the best by a long way?

especially since you say:
On March 20 2018 10:57 ExO_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2018 08:44 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 20 2018 08:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Now you got me even more confused.



point 1. Your question of holyflares "read" on me is the best thing so far.

point 2. mocsta is making bad "fucktard" posts.



Rayn never made that second point did he? You’re putting words in his mouth and then agreeing with them....what I dont understand is why. I don’t like it — Scum reading Kelsier.

Though I’ll admit I’m not a fan of HF’s posts...I think HF is either VT or scum — not sure which.



And now you said you associated Kelsier's post with the Mocsta thing? The logical conclusion for you to make is to assume his "good point" refers to the Kelsier/Holyflare thing but instead you now say you associated it it with the Mocsta thing which you said you didn't earlier.

uh oh...
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 20 2018 09:20 GMT
#367
On March 20 2018 18:16 Holyflare wrote:
Lol i can absolutely see exo making those points about the mocsta read.

Kelsier posts mocsta thing on rayn.
Rayn says what.
Kelsier explains
Exo picks on the point 2 he was originally confused about and says he's making it up.
Shitness ensues?

I can see that too, except that he now says he read my filter at the time and couldn't make the connection with Kelsier's "good point" and my Mocsta read (which didn't exist), but somehow at that time he could.

Anyways i gotta go to work. Later.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 20 2018 09:21 GMT
#368
well that was not so well written, i think you get the point though.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 21 2018 10:17 GMT
#875
My thoughts so far:

Town:

Holyflare
Mocsta
rsoultin
Vivax - prolly not gonna read much of what he posts from now on because everything sounds like a conspiracy theory but nevertheless it makes him town
KelsierSC - i don't know why there are votes on him, so terrible
Koshi
MoosyDoosy - i knew this guy couldn't play properly, and yes, retarded!strategy is a part of the former

I don't think i need to explain any other read of the above

Leaning town:
Palmar - i actually think Palmar is town here since he sounds townie and isn't doing any of the shit he usually does as mafia, basically i think he is genuinely trying to find mafia

Alakaslam - the feeling from the latest posts gave me more of a town feeling from Slam, then he placed a terrible vote on rsoultin but it is something his mind does when being attacked, and while absolutely stupid i know he has done the same thing to me multiple times so i can't read him anymore. Sorry rsoultin i disagree with you here, probably town and just go to ignore pile.

Null:
Rels
sicklucker

Tictock - i don't really remember anything he has posted and usually his posts strike me as super scummy -- i mean like in almost every game. He is just... uninspiring. Could be mafia or town, i don't know.
darthfoley - same as above, doesn't raise any feelings
Conversion - same
ykl - sameeeeeeeee.....

Leaning scum:
Fecalfeast - i tend to be quite terrible at reading FF when he is scum (aka i usually have him as town regardless of alignment:p ) but i havent seen any "this must be town FF" -posts here, i also cant understand how he could at the time read rsoultin town for "trying to solve game and posting a lot" and also have no clue what the thing on Slam is as it was what rsoultin had mostly talked about.
ExO_ - I still can't understand how someone can go read my filter and from there focus onto something i never even implied (regardless of what Kelsier said or didn't say) instead of the other thing he was mostly interested in the game so far (when my filter contained ONLY that, and an offhand comment on Kelsier/Mocsta). While i understand i might be wrong here i think the dude is lying.

Scum:
n00bking - I said this before and i will say it again. I think noobking sounds like teacher gave him an assignment and now he is trying to write a paper he doesn't want to write and trying really hard to reason his shit with scientific proof. I don't think this is how townies act like, he did the same thing last game (all that "this is what a TOWNIE does" jizz, and as Palmar caught the word "honestly" he used to scumread HF last game, and there was another thing but i don't have time to find it rn), i read his posts from Firefly where he was town and i don't get the same feeling from his posts at all. Then there is the retarded setup looks-like-i-wanna-dumbtell-myself-into-town post which is also exactly what he did last game. I don't think he is actually trying to look for mafia instead of trying to justify his reads in a way a townie doesn't work. So there is that. If someone cares to go read that and offer some thoughts on that it would be cool.

disformation - I trust Koshi here. I think disformation is a bland version of when he is town (when he irritates me a great deal with his blantant contradictions and wafflyness). Sure at first glance he looks the same here but i don't this is the same disformation.

So, let's make this interesting:
##vote disformation

--------------

For the record the next time someone uses "X wasn't around for some crap number of hours" and includes that as a reason to change a read or rethink or whatever i am gonna stop playing these 48h day phase games completely. This isn't directed towards anyone and i am not even sure if that's been done this game but some people have implied it. I don't like it, because there are people who work (and actually work and not sit on a fucking computer which isn't real work) 8-10 hrs a day and for that reason don't have the luxury of playing mafia at "work", and also have to value 8 hours of sleep at night.

I'm here for like 30 mins still and then back ~1-2hrs before the deadline. Gotta try to stay up then.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 21 2018 10:22 GMT
#878
On March 21 2018 19:18 Mocsta wrote:
Why no palmar talk
Like his first post about koshi struck me

Felt like he already read the game before doing stream by consciousness

Not sure if you are familiar with later years' Palmar but that isn't alignment indicative at all for him. He just OMGUSed Koshi because Koshi voted for him (aka "kill the player who is trying to kill me" -type of post).
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 21 2018 10:23 GMT
#879
On March 21 2018 19:21 Koshi wrote:
"He doesnt look mafia" is an extremely bad heuristic to find mafia because it is literally the only thing mafia thinks about every time they press "Post".

No it isn't. Because mafia is not trying to look for mafia, and that usually shows. If that's what you meant.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 21 2018 10:33 GMT
#885
On March 21 2018 19:23 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2018 19:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 21 2018 19:18 Mocsta wrote:
Why no palmar talk
Like his first post about koshi struck me

Felt like he already read the game before doing stream by consciousness

Not sure if you are familiar with later years' Palmar but that isn't alignment indicative at all for him. He just OMGUSed Koshi because Koshi voted for him (aka "kill the player who is trying to kill me" -type of post).

Not familiar but i mean

You think he opened by filtering koshi and then reading game

Im not saying its scummy per say
But fucking strange??

I think he made the post when reading the thread in chronological order and made his post when he saw Koshi's. Why is that strange?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 21 2018 10:35 GMT
#888
On March 21 2018 19:23 rsoultin wrote:
-flails-

joooooni you don't want to lynch anyone i do except ff and sl lol ><

do you have a game in mind where slam breaks with his chupazi mindset and does this as town? because if that's the case i'm not as sure on him

i really do think that disinfo's approach to people scumreading him is more likely to come from town. do you disagree?

I know lol.

I don't know, i am generally terrible at reading disfo, but if, AND WHEN what Koshi told me in last game's obs QT (when i was sure disfo is mafia and he was town) stands, i think he is mafia. I know i am kind of contradicting here but I trust Koshi and my own evidence says mafia.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 21 2018 10:37 GMT
#891
On March 21 2018 19:35 Mocsta wrote:
No no

He commented on koshi which was like page 10 or whatever
Then went back to page 7 day strat and called me and someone else out in a stream of consciousness

Really odd post progression


Im more surprised right now rsoultin mentions palmar as a last resort option but isnt any reasoning or critiquing yours

Im ordering a cab
Phone will be strictly off in a couple

Ah yes, you are right. That is indeed strange. Palmar can probably answer you on that. I can't.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 21 2018 10:38 GMT
#895
On March 21 2018 19:31 Vivax wrote:
Why is HF town rayn?

Because he isn'tt trying really hard to make the game go where he wants it to go regardless of what he wants.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 21 2018 10:39 GMT
#896
On March 21 2018 19:37 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2018 19:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 21 2018 19:23 rsoultin wrote:
-flails-

joooooni you don't want to lynch anyone i do except ff and sl lol ><

do you have a game in mind where slam breaks with his chupazi mindset and does this as town? because if that's the case i'm not as sure on him

i really do think that disinfo's approach to people scumreading him is more likely to come from town. do you disagree?

I know lol.

I don't know, i am generally terrible at reading disfo, but if, AND WHEN what Koshi told me in last game's obs QT (when i was sure disfo is mafia and he was town) stands, i think he is mafia. I know i am kind of contradicting here but I trust Koshi and my own evidence says mafia.


nh

all of these secret reasons @.@ slam is town for -insert reason that can't be discussed- disinfo is scum for -insert mystery reason-

pfft. i think you and mocsta are town so this is just rude

uh what? I have no secret reasons anywhere.
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