[M][N] Medic Mafia

On March 06 2018 11:31 MoosyDoosy wrote:

oh shit it's a new person. hello person how do you think we should play this setup

On March 06 2018 13:59 AMG wrote:


He did not chastise you at all. Why are you so pricky?

On March 06 2018 16:24 Holyflare wrote:
Tubesock has called me medic!

Not just town or mafia. Medic. Let that sink in.

##vote tubesock

On March 06 2018 16:27 n00bKing wrote:

I feel like this would be more significant if he had actually come back, and said some things that didn't contribute anything worthwhile. As it stands now, he just...hasn't been back. So maybe you'll get what you want from him when he returns. Unless Damdred is a "constantly checking the game" type of guy, I don't really see anything to hate on.

His post that said "Well this will be my last game for awhile as I don't think its fair to further strain my activity level with my new job" was made before roles went out. It offers him cover to fake being afk if he drew scum in this game, but I don't know if there's anything we can do about it. If that's what happened, then it just...worked out nice for him. lol

On March 06 2018 16:30 Holyflare wrote:


Yes and as noobking says someone said I can do that as either alignment or any role but you have specifically said I'm a medic. There's a big difference from saying what I said means nothing to saying what I said means I am medic but either alignment. It appears like you know I'm medic but then add a hedge on top as a "oh I don't know" to fit in. It's a weird thought process comparatively to hf can be anything.

On March 06 2018 16:32 n00bKing wrote:

By all means, talk reads. But do you have anything to add to why your attitude toward the Day 1 mass claim is "no"? I think a "yes" or "no" becomes a lot more valuable when someone explains their reasoning behind it.

On March 06 2018 17:48 rsoultin wrote:


Fair. Damdred lynching time then?

Though I must say amg is one of the smexiest players in this game to me. It makes it harder for me to accept people not having an opinion in him.

On March 06 2018 20:18 prplhz wrote:
This whole Tubesock push seems like something I'd like, but be wrong about. I'm interested in seeing where it goes though.

AMG seems to be making excuses for scumreading people.

On March 07 2018 03:36 rsoultin wrote:
There's just something really off about DF's entry. He's in the thread while people are talking about things, and tubesock had already made his (bad?) post (though no one had called him out for it yet), and he just...isn't in the mood?

It makes me think he didn't like his role pm. Especially since he seemed to feel the need to respond to moosey and to make his excuses. Idk.

It's a pretty weak read, though. I mean there's always the possibility he has something to be down about irl...just find it odd when it's coupled with a need to post in thread. In his place, if I wasn't in the mood to play the game due to external factors, I probably just wouldn't bother until later. It's not like he was being pressured or anything to significantly change his willingness to play between his entry and that post.

On March 07 2018 04:04 Damdred wrote:


He does sound defeated and what not, but the DF i've played with doesn't mind rolling scum. He generally fights hard as scum and is excellent at keeping his tone somewhere in the realm of his town game.

I just think its a weird opening for him regardless of his alignment and i'd much rather not even think about lynching him for it just because its so outside meta for him it doesn't register for either side.

On March 07 2018 05:10 rsoultin wrote:


Pardon?

On March 07 2018 07:04 rsoultin wrote:
Anyway.

TLDR
- organic reads from Damdred in line with a normal D1 for him, plus easy tone earns him a cookie
- DF just being a boss and poking into good corners, while responding in a way to a scumread that doesn't resemble my impression of his scum play outweighs any meh feels about his afking earlier

Hopefully that clears things up for you. I think you're probably even more likely town for your read on me (sadly), so carry on.

On March 07 2018 07:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:
darthfoley, are you still reading FF as scum?

On March 07 2018 10:04 Holyflare wrote:


None at all really.

On March 07 2018 10:33 Holyflare wrote:


amg/noob
rsoul

big gap of nothing

damdred
moosy

darthfoley

prplhz
tubesock

bunch of afkers and vivax being one of them means absolutely nothing

On March 07 2018 11:46 Holyflare wrote:
Actually df I've reread your filter and I think you're below prplhz instead. Lots of holes and pointlessness imo.

On March 06 2018 20:18 prplhz wrote:
This whole Tubesock push seems like something I'd like, but be wrong about. I'm interested in seeing where it goes though.

AMG seems to be making excuses for scumreading people.

On March 08 2018 04:38 Fecalfeast wrote:

This isnthe kind of post I try to read but my eyes glaze over so I just skip it

On March 07 2018 21:14 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Hm, interesting stuff Vivax. Anything else you want to share?

Also this is actually NAI and totally game unrelated but ahhhhh


Never change TL mafia never change. What would a game of Mafia with rsoultin be like without her whining about people refusing to help her out.

On March 07 2018 04:50 darthfoley wrote:


He wouldn't know you were medic even if he were mafia. You're making this sound like TMI when it just isn't. There are 3 town medics???

On March 08 2018 02:00 Holyflare wrote:
I'll be nice rsoul and summarise some brief points:

DF picks up on things that the ordinary player would call scummy and makes a passing comment and drops it. There is no follow up nor care to what he sees, it's just observations.

DF makes posts calling people scummy and only elaborates on one of those people while having said absolutely nothing about the others or alluding to why they are mafia.

DF then says something to me about sharing 75% of the same reads so why did I say he looks bad but then does he actually care what I reply?

Nah, it's all just filler posts and no actual want to solve anything.

On March 07 2018 12:51 darthfoley wrote:


okay

On March 07 2018 05:02 darthfoley wrote:


Not sure what this is referring to. I feel like AMG has been pretty open so far

On March 08 2018 05:02 Vivax wrote:
Fefe is notoriously lazy though :|

What makes him lazy mafia over lazy town here?

On March 08 2018 05:02 Holyflare wrote:


Calling the guy everyone was town reading mafia (basically) and calling the guy everyone was scum reading town isn't edgy enough for you?

On March 06 2018 20:18 prplhz wrote:
This whole Tubesock push seems like something I'd like, but be wrong about. I'm interested in seeing where it goes though.

AMG seems to be making excuses for scumreading people.

On March 07 2018 10:33 Holyflare wrote:


amg/noob
rsoul

big gap of nothing

damdred
moosy

darthfoley

prplhz
tubesock

bunch of afkers and vivax being one of them means absolutely nothing

On March 08 2018 07:11 Vivax wrote:
If I'm already talking about Tube and AMG and your response is just "I'm a medic no lyncherino pls" then I don't know how to spark interest into you finding a better lynch other than yourself.

On March 08 2018 07:19 rsoultin wrote:


Yeah that was the one point. I don't think that you ever mentioned your reasons for tubesock, though I was filtering by mobile so take that with a grain of salt.

On March 08 2018 07:23 Vivax wrote:


That'd be my issue with tube too. Reactive and self-centered filter, but you're also somewhere in that category for me.

I'd feel a lot better about lynching you if HF wasn't trying so hard to keep you on the block as I'm not sure what he is yet.

On March 08 2018 08:06 Holyflare wrote:
I'm healing df.

On March 09 2018 03:43 Vivax wrote:
And df needs to get in here cause I want to know what his action is going to be.

I don't see a better play he could think of where he doesn't tell town who he's doccing. He needs to play with open cards now or explain why not.

On March 08 2018 19:21 Holyflare wrote:
Other medic(s) just heal prplhz. I either get df killed and he's town or nothing happens and we go from there. Maybe that will actually help you come to some kind of consensus.

On March 09 2018 04:19 n00bKing wrote:

lol, IF THAT'S TRUE, then I wish someone had actually said so, when I asked someone (ANYone) in the thread to back that notion.

How is that a question that doesn't want an answer? Man, if I don't want an answer to that question, I can just NOT ask it. That would be REAL easy. Or I could have waited to post it until much later, and allowed less time for people to see and comment on it. I didn't. There was plenty of time for people to see and comment on it, and then for us to decide how/whether it should influence the notion of a DF lynch.

It wasn't a question that doesn't want an answer. It was a question that didn't GET an answer.

If DF ever turns out to be scum, and you and I are both still alive, we can have a conversation about me forcing a townread on him against your alleged "majority" (which was actually like 3 people). If DF ever turns out to be town, I think that conversation is over. I can't really see any way to scumread me for: abandoning my original lynch target with 1 hour to go (who was Town) and defending the counterwagon (also town, in this hypothetical) and then leaving, and just crossing my fingers and hoping the noose doesn't fall onto one of my teammates. Working to keep DF out of the noose in that scenario couldn't possibly make less sense, especially once DF claims medic, which would've made it trivially easy to just go "oh, you're claiming medic? That makes you mathematically more likely to be scum now. Die." Boom, dead Town medic, and a BULLETPROOF alibi for me sticking him in the noose.

The kills I like are prpl and Kelsier.

I maintain that I do not like the idea of having DF go off and heal a secret target of his choosing. I maintain that HF is actively damaging the Town's best interests, if he refuses to follow thread sentiment regarding his target.

On March 07 2018 04:04 Damdred wrote:


He does sound defeated and what not, but the DF i've played with doesn't mind rolling scum. He generally fights hard as scum and is excellent at keeping his tone somewhere in the realm of his town game.

I just think its a weird opening for him regardless of his alignment and i'd much rather not even think about lynching him for it just because its so outside meta for him it doesn't register for either side.

On March 09 2018 04:21 darthfoley wrote:
Lol townmedic!HF ensuring he kills another townmedic N1 would surely be superb.

Mafia will probably shoot HF (if he's actually town and/or townmedic) and medic me, potentially killing 2/3 town medics in one night. Really really stellar idea for a game that's supposedly heavily townsided.

On March 09 2018 04:32 Vivax wrote:
My pessimism driven gut tells me that prplhz is going to flip town though.
What's the alternative though.

On March 09 2018 04:40 n00bKing wrote:

THANKS, buddy! Wish you'd posted this during D1 instead (or that ANYone else had answered, when I asked for confirmation of the theory).

Then yes, HF is right. You should have been the Day 1 lynch. Glad we got that cleared up.

On March 09 2018 04:57 Holyflare wrote:


Yeah, great play when you're just mafia though.

On March 09 2018 05:07 n00bKing wrote:

smh

It appears that you don't even know how I ended up asking the question in the first place. You keep talking about what HF said, like as if that's not exactly the "theory" I was trying to get "confirmation" of from absolutely anyone else (and didn't get).

Vivax's listed reasons for voting against you have nothing to do with your meta. In skimming his D1 posts about you just now, I don't notice anything that even indicates he has EVER seen you play before, as either allegiance. rsoul's comments about the weirdness of your entry to the thread do not speak to my question at all. I didn't remember that post from Damdred, having not ever seen it a 2nd time, given that I didn't re-read his filter, since he hasn't been here to talk to, nor has he really been discussed as a lynch target. Apparently everyone else either forgot about it too, or thought it didn't answer the question, since he only mentions your town play in regard to "tone." But anyway, like I said, I'm convinced now. Yes, you should have been the Day 1 lynch. But hopefully you're Town anyway, and will start to play like the guy you think matches your reputation. *wink, WINK*

On March 09 2018 06:07 MoosyDoosy wrote:

then who would you vig in this scenario?

On March 09 2018 11:14 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Huh. Alakaslam might be onto something.

I wouldn't mind sheeping darthfoley this phase depending on how things turn out.

On March 09 2018 16:55 Holyflare wrote:
Mass claiming is dumb. Just gives mafia a kill list that detracts from nk info. If we're about to lynch a medic just claim instead.

On March 06 2018 19:07 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Honestly though this game is kind of weird for me because normally in my Mafia games, it's people lining up on the Moosy wagon D1 and/or putting a lot of pressure on me and neither of those things have happened so far.

So I'm in this weird position where on my return to TL Mafia I kind of want to troll a little less and be a little more serious but I often tend to decide on the flip of a coin whether to respond seriously to pressure or go into super troll mode with a large tendency to resort to trolling...but since there's really no pressure I can't really troll a lot or actually tryhard. So my filter's just kind of growing omegalul.

On March 10 2018 04:03 rsoultin wrote:
I'll vote ksc if and only if we talk about other scumreads, including hf.

I can see that I probably won't get that lynch today. And maybe he really does somehow believe that seeing if DF was nkd night two outweighed the benefits of 3 confirmed town.

But that seems awfully shortsighted for the hf I know, when if df is fake-claiming we will know much sooner that someone is with a mass claim.

He gave no good reason against a mass claim, only one that is selfish if he's town. And it diverted hard from his pre-game, pre-role pm perception of how this game should be played.

I need people to actually read, think, and tell me why I'm wrong.

I think ksc is likely to be scum, and also feel that slam looks okay to the extent that I can read him. So I'm happy with a ksc lynch today.

But I also think that an auto lynch promotes less discussion. So you get my vote by engaging me or I'll annoy everyone by posting my gripes with HF over and over until it's impossible to do that anymore.

On March 07 2018 05:27 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Hm....Damdred are you sure rsoultin is town? So far my lowkey town group is you and noobking and while the three of us have been on the same page in terms of reads I find it disturbing rsoultin is seemingly on another planet. Especially since I normally find her thought process similar to mine in games.

First the weirdest push on you

+ Show Spoiler +

Then she scumreads darthfoley for something that I also think is really weak.

+ Show Spoiler +

Her stance on Tubesock is NAI because it could easily be scum putting a foot in the wagon although it's the one time her thoughts lined up with mine so maybe town.

On March 10 2018 04:09 Holyflare wrote:


That mafia is full of bad/afk players or top town players that can't nk themselves or other top town players in fear of narrowing it down. Now that vivax is medic that makes rsoul (since she's trying to get me lynched but also probably not because she wants mass claims) more likely to be mafia along with noobking (who has not played with us).

So basically this claim nonsense was a waste of time.

If df really is medic then I have no idea why he didn't push noobking who effectively tmid df as town.

On March 10 2018 04:14 MoosyDoosy wrote:

elaborate?

On March 10 2018 05:11 KelsierSC wrote:


same tbh

On March 10 2018 22:30 Koshi wrote:
1. Alakaslam
3. darthfoley
5. Holyflare
6. rsoultin
7. Koshi
8. KelsierSC

Kill 4.

Do not do the shit rsoultin and HF suggest.
Do not kill medics.

Within these 6 names you have 4 chances to hit the 1 mafia. only when it is the 4th try that you hit mafia you need to lynch the last mafia in a 50/50 between medics. Mafia has no option to kill VTs. Well... They could but then they chance the 1/3 chance on the last medic shot into a 1/2 shot and then last day is a 3 medics + 1 VT "mylo". So that doesn't change shit.

Just play the game like I suggest. Kill 4 within 6. If you hit the 1 mafia you autowin unless it was the last shot 2 nights from now. If you can't hit the mafia withing these 6 names you just deserve to lose.

On March 08 2018 07:13 darthfoley wrote:


I disagree with you about AMG and I think Tubesock is a decent lynch and the points against him have been hashed out already. I'm not sure what you expect of me?

I think FeFe/prplhz/Tubesock are good lynches. I prefer FeFe or prplhz over Tubesock, but Tubesock is fine.

Don't lecture me about interest when you magically come into the thread as a wagon forms on you and have a filter 1/4 of mine

On March 11 2018 03:57 Vivax wrote:


Except I was the only one of the medic claims trying to coordinate the others into doccing prpl during N1.

Whereas your post about him not being mafia cause nobody was speaking against it could be seen as you being the first to actually speak against it.

But yea I wasn't really counting on hitting mafia there since I have a post where I was expecting him to flip town. However you are implying I was trying to get my own teammate killed.

On March 11 2018 05:02 Alakaslam wrote:
DF why am I less lynchable?

On March 11 2018 05:09 KelsierSC wrote:
I shouldn't have signed up. But I'm town.

If I die think only this of me.
There is some corner of tl mafia.
That is forever Kelsier.

On March 07 2018 05:37 Fecalfeast wrote:

You get really serious about off the cuff posts

On March 08 2018 14:18 n00bKing wrote:

...huh?

Because Kelsier was a no-show (in the game thread at least) and prpl wasn't. You act like one vs. the other is an equivalent choice. It's not.

If people want to make a big deal over this, I can explain further. But I would have thought that the reasons why you lynch a literal no-show (like Kelsier or chaoser) over someone who makes a few posts and then bails for the rest of the Phase (like prpl or damdred) were fairly obvious.

On March 07 2018 15:13 n00bKing wrote:
Re: What Tubesock liked about Prpl's filter

So being wishy-washy is a Town trait now? There's nothing to like about Prpl's play, in my opinion. All he's done is claim Cop, be vague and non-committal about whether he thinks you should be pushed, be vague and non-committal about suspicions that AMG's reads feel forced, and talk about a SK role that we know isn't in the game. I never like it when people say something like "I'm interested in seeing where this goes though." Just means they have no plans of making it go somewhere themselves...so I think to myself....then what good are you?

On March 11 2018 10:01 MoosyDoosy wrote:
darthfoley did you know I used to play like slam? Imagine having two alakaslams in one game.

On March 11 2018 09:59 Alakaslam wrote:

Well, fuck.

I have made the passive voice argument but meh

I am not articulate. It’s one of those things, if I will be misunderstood it might as well be intentional!

Anyway, if that vig deal goes through on me, cyall. Stay the course, I once thought it was NK HF but now I suspect only NK. HF has no need to bus at this point.

On March 11 2018 10:06 Alakaslam wrote:

you mak me suspicious it’s you and DF.

But then Noobking would be an entirely new breed, at least from my perspective

That happens all the time though.

On March 11 2018 08:45 Holyflare wrote:
Tbh all the medics are being shit.

On March 11 2018 20:05 Holyflare wrote:
He was also the first to claim medic iirc.

On March 11 2018 20:39 Holyflare wrote:


Not true. Mafia are a man down and absolutely have to play catch up to prevent them being in this super amazing mass claim bs spot. Mafia have to kill two people to even be within a chance of getting back in the game. It's really optimal to try and bait out the heal and stack and nk another player than it is to just use a nk on a medic and get one kill. Killing a medic and fake claiming after also narrows down the pool further when the mass claim happens to it being a 1/3 chance the player is mafia instead of 1/4.

Trying to stack and killing someone else is by far the most optimal nk. Killing AMG (no offense to AMG, he played very well and was easily town read imo) also shows that they were afraid that one of the top town players were going to be medic saved so in no way, shape or form were they expecting everyone to stack on prplhz since AMG is a fear kill. Shooting AMG gets an almost guaranteed kill and imo shows to me that their mindset was very much get as many kills as feasibly possible.

The fact that not one of rsoul/vivax/df/hf died proves to me that df is not likely to be mafia over any other of the kills since if df was mafia I'd heavily expect them to nk into one of the other three.

On March 11 2018 22:42 Koshi wrote:

I'll explain this again to the not braindead people that might think HF has a point.

My point is that IF HF is town. Mafia will believe that DF will get a medic on his ass. So they will put their medic on DF. Which means it is really odd DF didn't die because that means none of the 3 actual town medics believed HF while he was townread and joined HF. So the fact DF didn't die makes it very likely he is either mafia. Or he is actually a town medic.

It's math.


Now I think I had this thought already BEFORE the mass claims. So the fact DF claimed medic later makes my scenario lean towards the DF is town medic side.


I hope everybody understand. It doesn't make DF lock town medic. But it makes sense.


I don't know what people thought during the early night etc. But if HF is town. and if DF is town. And there are 3 mafia in the thread who see HF call a shot on DF. Then I do not believe that those 3 mafia fail to get 1 real town medic on DF. Or at least push the idea.

I think it actually points towards HF being mafia knowing mafia medic is on DF and trying to gather support.
But it is still possible DF is mafia and mafia didn't want it to happen.


Actually DF you should think about this line of thought more. You know whether you are town :D.
it makes sense not?


If DF was a simple VT I don't think he surives the night normally. With 4 medics and a fakeclaiming medic calling a shot on him.

On March 11 2018 22:42 Koshi wrote:

I'll explain this again to the not braindead people that might think HF has a point.

My point is that IF HF is town. Mafia will believe that DF will get a medic on his ass. So they will put their medic on DF. Which means it is really odd DF didn't die because that means none of the 3 actual town medics believed HF while he was townread and joined HF. So the fact DF didn't die makes it very likely he is either mafia. Or he is actually a town medic.

It's math.


Now I think I had this thought already BEFORE the mass claims. So the fact DF claimed medic later makes my scenario lean towards the DF is town medic side.


I hope everybody understand. It doesn't make DF lock town medic. But it makes sense.


I don't know what people thought during the early night etc. But if HF is town. and if DF is town. And there are 3 mafia in the thread who see HF call a shot on DF. Then I do not believe that those 3 mafia fail to get 1 real town medic on DF. Or at least push the idea.

I think it actually points towards HF being mafia knowing mafia medic is on DF and trying to gather support.
But it is still possible DF is mafia and mafia didn't want it to happen.


Actually DF you should think about this line of thought more. You know whether you are town :D.
it makes sense not?


If DF was a simple VT I don't think he surives the night normally. With 4 medics and a fakeclaiming medic calling a shot on him.

On March 08 2018 04:23 Vivax wrote:
FF what's with your prplhz SR? Care to flesh it out?

For all I know he took a stance similar to mine in regards to the AMG tubesock discussion.

His filter doesn't make me lean either way. Why you?

On March 08 2018 07:41 Vivax wrote:


Well the explanation isn't coming today either, but in my opinion what he did is serious bs. Serious scummy BS.
I find his filter pretty hard to follow and will probably reserve an hour or so tomorrow reading it as he wasn't spare with words.

Currently just juggling the question: prplhz or df if noobking isn't happening for what he did.

On March 08 2018 07:52 Vivax wrote:


Hard to find an answer to that within 10 minutes. Right off the bat there is no reason not to lynch tube that comes to mind. I'd have kept him over prpl for D1. But since prpl isn't voting, might as well vote TS.

The vote doesn't sit too right with me after arguing lots of the day about all his qualms with AMG and noobking, but what alternative do I have?

Literally the only reason I have is the lack of scumhunting, but it's hard to tell if it's cause he was pushed into the defensive or cause he's mafia.

meh

##Unvote
##Vote: Tubesock

On March 09 2018 01:18 Vivax wrote:
I'm fine with agreeing with you and HF and going for prplhz as vig target.
Let's start our own votecount or something?

##Vote prplhz

(for getting vigidoctored)

On March 09 2018 04:32 Vivax wrote:
My pessimism driven gut tells me that prplhz is going to flip town though.
What's the alternative though.

On March 11 2018 23:23 MoosyDoosy wrote:
ayo darthfoley, vivax said he's healing koshi, who are you going to heal/want to heal?

On March 11 2018 23:53 MoosyDoosy wrote:
darthfoley does that mean you're townreading noobking? If your scum read is Vivax who do you think is the other scum

On March 12 2018 05:01 Vivax wrote:
Why aren't df and noob in thread to coordinate?

On March 12 2018 05:18 Vivax wrote:
I don't think anyone calling HF mafia has actually any idea of how he plays mafia.
He certainly wouldn't be as helpful as he is being right now.

On March 12 2018 05:32 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Can the medics please say who they are on and who they think is the fake scum? That would be much appreciated thank you.

On March 12 2018 05:26 Holyflare wrote:


This is quite literally the most information giving night action list.

On March 12 2018 05:38 Holyflare wrote:
Every medic heal a different person please. Noobking is incapable of doing anything with respect to following his own plan he keeps needlessly touting. Has he coordinated anything? Nope. Not at all. Nobody is convinced on me, nobody wants to lynch moosy. His plan right now is to get df to heal me so he can get a free kill on me and hope ff/vivax heal someone different and he nks someone else.

Let me just reiterate IN THE CURRENT PATH YOU ARE TAKING YOU COULD END UP KILLING THREE SEPARATE PEOPLE AND 2 OF THOSE WILL WITHOUT A DOUBT BE TOWN.

EITHER COME TO A CONSENSUS OR HEAL SEPARATE TARGETS.

On March 12 2018 05:41 Holyflare wrote:


You haven't given any reads, your current plan is to shoot me. I am vt and have maintained I am vt from the start of the day. If you have any qualms about me being mafia then ask me questions because I will flip town. If you want to follow koshi's plan then I don't give a shit but so far all of noobking suggestions are town me and moosy who I think is also town so it's a bad plan.

If you want to come to a consensus kill do it on a shitter that is giving us no info like slam. Slam is the ideal get out of jail consensus kill because he could be mafia and he doesn't really do anything and he's not particularly my town reads.

On March 12 2018 05:40 MoosyDoosy wrote:

Okay so possible mafia in claimed medics is vivax and fecalfeast. Who are you healing atm?

Other claimed medics @noobking, @fecalfeast, @vivax, who are you guys healing atm and who do you think is scum.

On March 12 2018 05:44 Holyflare wrote:


I don't think koshi is guaranteed mafia. In fact I think his last post was kind of sincere but he's not me and that's the best we can achieve for winning the game.

On March 12 2018 05:49 Vivax wrote:


Just when I changed my mind.
I kinda think he's town now.

On the other hand I'm getting the feeling that Moosy is mafia.

On March 12 2018 06:06 rsoultin wrote:
@,@

I guess this should have been predictable given we have one fake claim. HF is right that if we can't get to a consensus on who to nk that's 3 deaths instead of 2, and his proposal at least minimizes the hemorraghing. I actually like it, because I think the best way for mafia to play is to just kill one person if they don't want to confirm a medic.

The other option is to come to a consensus and any medic unwilling to follow that just becomes the vig shot. That might be harder if FF is avoiding the thread.

On March 12 2018 06:12 MoosyDoosy wrote:

btw eli5 stands for explain like I'm five i.e. explain like i'm five years old if you're confused about that. Vivax trying to kill me is a HARD left turn here that I want a good explanation for.

On March 12 2018 06:20 n00bKing wrote:

Hf should totally happen.

Kill HF > Kill Moosy > Kill Slam

If we can't get consensus on one of those, I would listen to an alternative plan of action, ahead of us all ganging up on Koshi or rsoul, because those ideas are ridiculous.

On March 12 2018 06:22 Vivax wrote:


???

If that's your attitude why not do it yourself?

On March 12 2018 06:53 rsoultin wrote:
Unless ff is the scum medic, or koshi is the mafia 'vt', any target but koshi tonight results in mylo tomorrow.

There is no other choice.

Unless ff returns, koshi is the vig shot.

On March 12 2018 06:47 n00bKing wrote:

DF, are we vigging Moosy or not? It obviously looks like Vivax has come around to the idea.

On March 11 2018 23:49 darthfoley wrote:
So something i've been sitting on for a while but didn't want to necessarily bring up is Vivax's scum meta.

I've played a few games with Vivax, albeit not recently, but I remember he is well known for being bad at scum. I also remember people saying in previous games "scum!Vivax can play decently for a day, at most two, but after that he becomes pretty obvious."

Why wouldn't you have scum!Vivax claim medic during the mass claim? It effectively takes 100% of the pressure off of him for the next 2 days, not allowing him to put his foot in his proverbial mouth. It's also a credible claim because he's been pretty townread day 1 so hey, why not?

I encourage you people to control + F Vivax's filter about prplhz. Yes, prplhz didn't really give anyone much to work with, but Vivax's interactions about prplhz boil down to this:

+ Show Spoiler +

This could be a chainsaw post, but not particularly the most salient point. Fwiw, he also chainsaws AMG (who was the first on prplhz) decently hard throughout the day.



Delicate null lean. It's also interesting that he claims prplhz took a similar stance as him in the AMG/TS discussion, but still calls him null. Why?



Out of nowhere, Vivax now has prplhz in his two man lynch possibilities.



This is not only terrible logic, but also very awkwardly worded. Idk, I just hate this post a lot. As soon as rsoultin takes Vivax up on his "prplhz or df" possibilities, Vivax immediately backs down and say "well rats, golly gee, I just don't have enough info to make a decision (despite the fact that I just talked about lynching into one of those two!) His main reason to vote TS is that he's trying to survive (NAI) other someone who hasn't voted??? Really? Prplhz was a viable lynch wagon with two votes (AMG, darthfoley) with about 50 minutes before deadline and Vivax was around. He even makes this post while prplhz has two votes on him.



Credit to him for being on board with the prplhz vigdoctor, but I question the overall importance of a roleblocker in a setup like this. The medic seems infinitely more important. Roleblocker only really matters if medics split their votes, which we had decided was NOT going to happen, or if there's two medics left. Prplhz was either gonna get lynched or vigi'd sooner or later. Might as well try to gain as much town cred from it as possible.



Back to being all mopey about not having alternatives. This is the second time he's literally talked about having no other alternatives. Idk but as town I rarely think in terms of "having alternatives." I'm aware that it's semantics, but I think it may point to an overall scum mindset who is by definition always trying to have alternatives.

In short, Vivax's play around prplhz and the EoD in general looks too careful from my POV.

On March 12 2018 07:07 Holyflare wrote:
Darthfoley and moosy ars without a doubt in my mind town

On March 12 2018 07:15 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Meh it is what it is. I'll look into noobking again. If there is a world where both noobking and vivax are scum that would be fantastic but I don't know the setup stuff or likelihood of that

On March 12 2018 07:59 darthfoley wrote:
FF/n00b claimed to heal Koshi. He should die.

Vivax claimed to heal Moosy.

+ Show Spoiler +

On March 12 2018 08:09 n00bKing wrote:
Well this makes things easy.

##Vote: darthfoley

Only scum would withhold information the town needs by hiding it behind so many spoiler tags.

On March 12 2018 08:13 n00bKing wrote:

Ohhhh....I just realized they could attack Koshi though. That is effectively the same as holding their shot.

On March 12 2018 08:14 rsoultin wrote:


I agree that he certainly seems to be mafia and can get behind a lynch, but how does this confirm him mafia?

Actually...nvm I'm an idiot. A mafia doc should be double-stacking with viva even if claiming a koshi shot for the double kill, unless moosy is mafia.

So at least one of moosy and Vivax must be mafia.

On March 12 2018 08:26 Holyflare wrote:
Nobody is saying df is mafia lol?

On March 12 2018 08:28 Holyflare wrote:


Wasn't his vote a joke lol?

On March 12 2018 10:03 Alakaslam wrote:

Well

Unless

Ok but I am the king of tinfoil. I’ll let Vivax flip town before trying to mess up the thread with that whole deal.

##Vote: Vivax

On March 12 2018 20:10 rsoultin wrote:
There's just this constant 'I don't understand the setup' stuff coming from Moosy that I don't care for. I saw it in his scum games when I was going through them yesterday to check Noob's meta claims. Though tbf that's one of the things on my list to double-check with him tomorrow when I have more time, because I haven't confirmed that that's alignment indicative.

On March 14 2018 06:33 Holyflare wrote:
What kind of fucked up open ended read is "it's either noobking and vivax and holyflare or slam" when noobking has pushed holyflare ALL GAME NON-STOP and vice versa and slam has also been all over noobking.

None of noobking+slam/hf makes sense. I don't know why people even utter those names together. Vivax/hf I can see why people would say it but today has been 0% about me trying to cover for vivax when I gut reaction voted him at the start of the day, called moosy confirmed town at the eod last time AND thought vivax was confirmed mafia before I reasoned it out.

It's such a bull shit cop out.

On March 14 2018 06:43 MoosyDoosy wrote:

You've been scummy as shit this day phase holyflare. You go from not wanting to play setup to playing setup when it's convenient to lynch people other than you. Also you go from saying you've been hard townreading me all game at the start of this day phase to pushing me aggressively as the mislynch over the course of the day

On March 14 2018 07:00 Holyflare wrote:


Moosy is the lynch I think has the highest chance to flip mafia but the fact he's still trying to shovel shit on me gives me hesitance. If he is indeed town and slam is town that means we live in a world where rsoultin is mafia.

I'm annoyed purely because he's saying I have been doing things I haven't -- which to be fair is exactly what mafia should be doing.

On March 14 2018 07:08 Holyflare wrote:


my strategy to go for the wifom and push rsoultin??????

On March 14 2018 07:11 darthfoley wrote:
Oh also the whole thing about the NKs being bad is jusy sikly.

AMG is a good player who was pretty hard Town read early on and was correct about prplhz. Sensible NK.

Rsoultin was literally 100% townread and wasn't gonna be lynched in the next two cycles for sure, regardless of her role as VT. She was basically another medic for all intents and purposes.

Neither was a bad NK and this narrative that HF and Vivax are pushing that the NKs were suboptimal because the NKs weren't HF/Vivax is lame as fuck

On March 14 2018 07:16 Alakaslam wrote:

But we are punching moose to make sure?

On March 14 2018 07:20 rsoultin wrote:


It is pretty strange that you'd rather lynch moosy if you're reading viva scum and have been constantly associating hf with him.

On March 14 2018 07:23 MoosyDoosy wrote:

Why would i be the autolynch against holyflare? lmao wtf this would be predicated on the fact that slam flips town. Also how is slam vs hf more interesting than moosy vs hf

On March 14 2018 07:28 MoosyDoosy wrote:

what the actual fuck is this post.

I would be the autolynch against slam? That would rely on a world where holyflare is lynched first and flips town. You are speaking as if you know holyflare is town.

On March 14 2018 07:28 Holyflare wrote:
Nobody takes part in night kills other than me when I'm mafia. What kind of read even is that???

On March 14 2018 07:31 n00bKing wrote:

Who cares right now, how much easier HF manipulates the town into a Slam mislynch, vs. how easily he manipulates the town into a Moosy mislynch? He's going to get them BOTH.

Who cares right now, how dumb the kills were or weren't? Is that helping you know where to put your vote? None of this shit looks productive!

IS THERE A CASE ON MOOSY?

On March 14 2018 07:33 n00bKing wrote:

It wouldn't be to pocket you, it's to make DF "confirmed town" so the other medics are killed first.

On March 14 2018 07:35 MoosyDoosy wrote:

I think when you have three different people saying your posts are bad the problem is with you not with me pointing out your posts are bad

On March 14 2018 07:41 Holyflare wrote:


I have to rethink based on flip.

On March 14 2018 07:54 Fecalfeast wrote:
Moose is totally gonna flip town eh. Definitely not acting like a dead scum 10 min before deadline

On March 14 2018 07:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Honestly though the play probably is to just stick to our guns and kill me but I think the darthfoley tinfoil deserves to have another look. Because his behavior here is way too weird

On March 14 2018 07:55 n00bKing wrote:

I like how your tl;dr is more lines than any of your other posts. Anyway, enjoy being dead. And Alakaslam, enjoy being the N3 kill! zzzzzz

On March 14 2018 08:31 rsoultin wrote:


-blinks-

For Viva to be scum he had to risk a real medic outing Moosy/him either by being dumb enough to heal his own scummate where another medic decided to secretly join him (though that might get him enough town cred to carry I haven't done the maths), or not, another medic secretly joins in and Moosy doesn't die.

NK is most likely. FF after that I think but his recent posting would be kinda wild if he were scum unless he was just realizing it here as he posted lol ><

On March 15 2018 00:56 Fecalfeast wrote:
Healing nk.

If somehow it's not nk I'd have to say it's df and he made the most cowboy mafia play of 2018

On March 15 2018 05:26 n00bKing wrote:

YES. I thought that was obvious, when I said that I had 15-17 distinct reasons for scumreading you, and could not get people to even discuss them.

On March 15 2018 05:38 n00bKing wrote:
Don't know how much longer the game will end up taking. I'll probably check in it here and there. But in case I'm not around for the post-game, I'll go ahead and give a couple of thoughts now.

I think the game culture here is pretty toxic.

The idea that rsoul would feel like she has to defend HF regarding his anti-town behavior because "he pushes the mafia agenda while he's town" is baffling. The idea that HF would himself tell me he shouldn't be scum-read for pushing the mafia agenda because he would do it while town is baffling. The fact that it was true he was town in this game is insane.

NO player should EVER be forced into a position where they have to defend someone else from the noose, on the basis of "he tries to help the scum team even when he's town." Why would a town player do that? I've still never heard an excuse for it, just that he DOES it. Why??! That should be a viable reason to scumread someone, over and over and over.

In this game, I caught Holyflare in 3 separate instances of trying to push us in scum-favored directions, instead of just following the ALREADY-ESTABLISHED pro-town plan. This should ALWAYS be good cause to scumread a player.

I also caught him in both logical inconsistencies AND the use of logical fallacies. The false dichotomy I caught him trying to use was terrible. This should ALWAYS be good cause to scumread a player.

In his attacks on his scumreads and in his defenses of himself, he very consistently said things that simply were not true. That could be verified as untrue if anyone just *actually* went back to look, as I did. I repeatedly said that if anyone just goes back and actually looks at the way [occasion] happened, they'll see that he can only be mistaken or LYING, and nothing else. Seemingly, no one ever looked but me. When the argument between the two of us reached its apex, he was putting a falsehood in at least every other post. This should ALWAYS be good cause to scumread a player.

I don't want to play in games where these are not reliable indicators of scum play, because there is a guy who plays anti-town in his town for no reason. I want to play in games where finding someone *actively working* to help scum win the game...is probably scum. And if I were hosting a game, I would probably ask HF not to participate in it, so that the other players could play the game the way it's meant to be played. I think the way he played this game is against the very spirit of the game itself, and robs other players of the experience they are intended to have. The other places I play, someone like HF couldn't exist for very long. He would have been RELIGIOUSLY lynched for his scum-favored play (and yes, mislynched sometimes, if that's what it took) until he LEARNED BETTER.

You also have a big "afk players" problem. I talked about this 2 or 3 years ago, but if this game is any indication? Your problem here has only gotten worse, and not better.

On the site I play most often, we don't even hold open "replacement" slots during registration. If a game fills, it starts. And even if it's a 25-player game, we don't expect that a "replacement" will definitely be needed. People sign up because they want to play.

This game, meanwhile, took over TWO WEEKS to fill, even though it required only 13 players. And then, of those 13 signups, FOUR of them did not actually play. Four of Thirteen! And that's if you say Fecalfeast DID play (which is generous. I would usually expect a player with that little activity to be pressured for "lurking" except we had several players who were somehow doing even less.)

chaoser and damdred were replaced, and prplhz and Kelsier easily *could* have been replaced. That's really...REALLY bad. Even one of the replacements (Alakaslam) never really did anything, and less than half of his posts were game-related.

I don't know if your bad-game-environment problem can be fixed at this point or not. If so, I don't know if you solve it through more aggressively lynching afk players, or if you solve it with harsher penalties for players who sign up and then don't play. But hopefully you can find SOMEthing to do about it. Or things will just remain a cesspool here. This is probably the LEAST happy I've ever been, about winning a game. Whenever the scum medic does flip, what am I gonna "celebrate" about this victory? Where 4 signups didn't play, one of the other signups played a scum-favored game while he was town, and none of the other players seemed to care that he was doing it. Yay.

I would say the likelihood is Fecalfeast > DF > Vivax, for finding the mafia medic. I would say "good luck" except that, given the way HF played this game, and given that he turned out to be town....I can't say I even care anymore either.

Peace.

On March 15 2018 05:52 n00bKing wrote:

No.

(was that concise enough for you?)

The way I play has yielded extremely strong results. I'm not gonna mess with success, thanks.

On March 15 2018 05:54 rsoultin wrote:
Oh, idk. We can still vig shot two medic claims? For no real added value other than a shorter game. Though probably a bad idea here because if nk is town I don't think anyone has put in the work to secure a scum flip. I know I haven't.

On March 15 2018 06:23 Alakaslam wrote:
So like, the thing is, I cannot decieve myself on this one.

In 2007, every Friday for the months of March and April I underwent psychiatric evaluation. I turned out to be severely socially impaired (retarded) but, creatively a genius. This is strange to me as I haven’t written anything of note.

I sometimes wonder if I’m simply a dormant schizophrenic who was misdiagnosed but I have no real significant knowledge of what schizophrenia is.