[M][N] Medic Mafia

On February 19 2018 17:21 prplhz wrote:
what about making it a no flip game

On March 06 2018 11:03 n00bKing wrote:

Well let's not allow ourselves to become distracted by discussion that doesn't need to take place yet. We don't need to decide whether to mass claim on Day 2 until it's Day 2.

On March 06 2018 11:36 Tubesock wrote:


Didn't you just chastise me for talking about mass claiming strategy? And here you are talking about setup and strategy.

Your hypocrisy is delicious.

On March 06 2018 13:59 AMG wrote:


He did not chastise you at all. Why are you so pricky?

On March 06 2018 15:24 AMG wrote:
Being prickly is scummy. You have to accept that people are going to ping you in this game. A prickly reaction usually comes from someone trying to hide something and reacting poorly.

I don't have an opinion for or against people discussing strategy or mass claiming. I'll be spending my calories focusing on the psychology of players as opposed to trying to game mechanics.

I don't find noobking scummy at all, I'm actually pretty certain he's town

On March 06 2018 20:45 AMG wrote:


Basically, this.

##Vote: Tubesock

Bottom line, i'm 1/13th of the game and you don't seem to care to engage me, I'd like to know why. And saying we disagree on one point is absolutely not an answer.

On March 06 2018 15:47 rsoultin wrote:


You get a cookie.

On March 06 2018 15:58 MoosyDoosy wrote:

If I recall correctly this is exactly how the old n00bKing I knew of old was like. Always fussing with fine details I would just gloss over

On March 06 2018 16:00 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I thought Damdred was pretty town so far what makes you think he's scum?

On March 07 2018 02:56 Damdred wrote:
It was more boring then I originally thought it would be, in that regard i'm slightly...disappointed. But Rsoultin is more than likely town, perhaps hard town in my mind at present. The way she read me seemed like a way she would do in town, and honestly even though I am not quite the player I was she would still like to interact with me then piling on early, also tone is pretty good and not pestering HF to get him to tilt is also a point in her favor.

Never doubt this read my friends.

Also AMG and Moosey are more than likely town in this situation. Both seem open, inquisitive and a good tone. Also Moosey I believe town read me early which I liked! (I like it when people come up with interesting reasons to townread someone as pro town ^_-, even if I could fake it as scum).

I actually don't like FF at this point so far, his tone seemed a bit off earlier and sort of like he was just trying to post to post a bit? But it was still early and its just a lean.

Tube I am not sure of, this slip I don't really buy and don't want to lynch him for that so far ehhhh.

On March 06 2018 16:24 Holyflare wrote:
Tubesock has called me medic!

Not just town or mafia. Medic. Let that sink in.

##vote tubesock

On March 06 2018 16:30 Holyflare wrote:


Yes and as noobking says someone said I can do that as either alignment or any role but you have specifically said I'm a medic. There's a big difference from saying what I said means nothing to saying what I said means I am medic but either alignment. It appears like you know I'm medic but then add a hedge on top as a "oh I don't know" to fit in. It's a weird thought process comparatively to hf can be anything.

On March 07 2018 05:12 darthfoley wrote:
Okay i've caught up.

AMG and n00b are pretty townie ATM. I think Damdred is kinda townie right now actually, for once. Maybe rsoultin too, because I agree with her about Tubesock. He might be mafia, but not for the reasons HF is pushing. The medic thing is really NAI even if it's "strange"

Lynch pool of prplhz, FF and Tubesock for the time being. I really didn't like how FF announced his first read, then felt the need to explain why he's scumreading prplhz in the next post. I think you either 1) do both in one post or 2) announce your scum read, then explain it if asked. Just felt a tad like he's trying to make sure everyone knows he has reasoning behind his scumread, if that makes sense.

On March 08 2018 06:03 AMG wrote:


You completely overlook the reason I take issue with tubesock which I've gone over two or three times now. His pricklyness catches my eye, as did him having a read that conflicted with mine, so I challenged his read. He refused to discuss anything with me at all, like he didn't give a shit about my alignment and had no drive to find out why I had a different opinion to him.

Since you are so hung up on tube though I'd expect you to bring forward something more than what you already have and your read on him hasn't evolved much from that point onwards.

You completely overlook the reason I take issue with tubesock

On March 08 2018 07:10 n00bKing wrote:
Ok, I'm off.


Didn't see any backup on this, but to my eyes, the DF lynch doesn't thrill me.

The push on Tubesock has been going for a long time, without much result, so I guess it's not happening today.

##Unvote

Would love to see this happen:

##Vote: KelsierSC

On March 07 2018 15:13 n00bKing wrote:
Re: What Tubesock liked about Prpl's filter

So being wishy-washy is a Town trait now? There's nothing to like about Prpl's play, in my opinion. All he's done is claim Cop, be vague and non-committal about whether he thinks you should be pushed, be vague and non-committal about suspicions that AMG's reads feel forced, and talk about a SK role that we know isn't in the game. I never like it when people say something like "I'm interested in seeing where this goes though." Just means they have no plans of making it go somewhere themselves...so I think to myself....then what good are you?

On March 08 2018 07:16 AMG wrote:


I'm a single parent that works. Activity will not be consistent. And when I return to the thread with a point to make, only to see someone has already said it, I see no need to repeat what I'm saying.

And if you can't follow along with my thought process on why I've stepped away from my tubesock read, and, i was being nice about it up until this point, I'll absolutely spell it out for you: he's playing too stupid for me to expect logical and sensible responses and play from and I've gleaned that from our most recent conversation. Therefore I wont be calling him scum for not living up to the expectations that I have of him, I'm going to call him dumb town and move on to discussing other players.

On March 08 2018 07:20 darthfoley wrote:


I can't remember Tubesock actually pushing anyone. He's been on the defensive all game, and I also disagree with his town read on prplhz

On March 08 2018 07:30 Fecalfeast wrote:
I'm not gonna be here to defend myself in the final minutes so I'm a good shenanigan target but you probably shouldn't kill me

On March 08 2018 07:37 rsoultin wrote:


Yeah, no. Not voting for him.

Saying you have 'no reason' to townread someone does not read to me as more scummy than outright saying you think afkers this game are more likely to be scum because of the balance. I don't necessarily agree with his thoughts, but the vote makes sense in context to me.

On March 08 2018 07:45 rsoultin wrote:


I'll take prp over df. I really think df is town here, though I'm not going to pretend that he's someone that I'm sure I can read. But why not tube?

On March 08 2018 07:55 MoosyDoosy wrote:

uhhh wats a guardian

On March 08 2018 08:03 darthfoley wrote:
Meh I thought we got him considering he was lurking at deadline

On March 08 2018 08:06 Holyflare wrote:
I'm healing df.

On March 08 2018 09:51 Holyflare wrote:
Yeah, not saying it wasn't but this is mafia and when it goes against the collective thought for reasons other people struggle to see then it deserves to be looked into. That's quite literally the game.

On March 08 2018 23:52 Holyflare wrote:
He explained it? He said he'd rather vote a guy who posts absolutely nothing than a guy that has posted something but could come back. Just used a lot more words.

On March 08 2018 14:18 n00bKing wrote:

...huh?

Because Kelsier was a no-show (in the game thread at least) and prpl wasn't. You act like one vs. the other is an equivalent choice. It's not.

If people want to make a big deal over this, I can explain further. But I would have thought that the reasons why you lynch a literal no-show (like Kelsier or chaoser) over someone who makes a few posts and then bails for the rest of the Phase (like prpl or damdred) were fairly obvious.

On March 08 2018 15:28 n00bKing wrote:

You can't get as much information from killing someone who is low-activity as you can get from seeing what they say if they aren't DEAD. In my experience, people who are low activity usually tend to come back. And if they're Town, they can still contribute (they did show SOME interest in participating in the game after it started, at least, and they have seen SOME of what happened, as it happened) and if they're Scum, their posts will give you more opportunities to catch them. As well as more opportunities to see who they end up tied to WHILE you catch them.

Conversely, I've virtually never seen a total Day 1 no-show Town player come into the thread later, and then play like a rock star. Those players hadn't shown that interest in participating, and then by the time they come along, the thread is unwieldy, and reading filters doesn't yield context if you weren't following along at the time. Even reading the thread straight through may not yield proper context, if you aren't paying attention to timestamps the whole way too. The value to the Town of a Town player who no-showed Day 1 is LOW. But the value to the Mafia of a Mafia player who no-showed Day 1 is still HIGH. His value to his team erodes at a MUCH slower rate, and that doesn't even account for the possibility that the Mafia no-show has actually been participating in the scum thread while hiding from the game thread, in which case he's already adding utility for his team.

If Day 1 discussion yields a reasonably strong consensus of who to scumread, you always lynch that player first. If not, and there's a player with ZERO posts, you fall back on lynching him, over players who are merely low-activity. That's the way the game was taught to me, and I feel like the logic is sound. My attempts to get votes onto Tubesock *lost* ground, and then stalled altogether, as he ceased to even be a topic anymore. I didn't like lynching the counterwagon, so I went to the no-shows and picking Kelsier over chaoser made good sense to me for reasons that I hopefully don't need to repeat to you.

On March 08 2018 06:05 n00bKing wrote:
Alright HF, you've said that DF's filter is "all just filler posts and no actual want to solve anything" and followed up later by saying "No drive, probably mafia." But we have plenty of players in the game who have shown no drive, or have put in no effort to solve anything, or have been no help. Kelsier and chaoser have been no help. prpl has been no help. I feel like Tubesock has been no help. When we're 46 hours into the game, I think you'd have to categorize Damdred (and his mighty single-page filter) as having been little or no help. If I lump DF into that category, it means that fully half of the other 12 players in the game with me have been no help.

So I don't think DF's lack of drive automatically makes him a good lynch, unless you feel like a Town DF *would* show an actual "want to solve anything" and *would* show "drive." Is that the case? Because again, unless there's reason for you to expect more than this from a Town DF, then I don't see anything that makes this particular mole the one that needs whacking.

His posting style is pretty careless. The filter is filled with him either repeating something he already said, or repeating something someone else already said.

An example of him repeating himself is this post:

He'd already named all 4 of those players as townreads. No need for a new, distinct post that merely says the same thing.

And an example of him repeating another player is this:

That post might as well be a copy & paste of Moosy's "King of Wagons" thing. (By the way, I think "Wagon King" would sound way cooler than "King of Wagons." Calls to mind the Witch King. Good stuff.)

DF also parroted my verbiage almost exactly, when talking about prpl's "wishy washyness."

I'd expect a little more caution and a little more mindfulness than this, from most scum players. If a scum player wasn't going to pay any more attention than this, why bother even making the posts? Just be yet another afk dude instead.

I'd expect a little more caution and a little more mindfulness than this, from most scum players. If a scum player wasn't going to pay any more attention than this, why bother even making the posts? Just be yet another afk dude instead.

On March 09 2018 01:24 Holyflare wrote:


Yes but where is Amg's excuse to join the prplhz wagon? I also think the plural of it is a lazy read and not a typo.

On March 09 2018 02:20 n00bKing wrote:

How come absolutely nothing came of this? Couple of all-caps posts about how you're about to go berserk, and then this, and then...fizzle.

So I don't think DF's lack of drive automatically makes him a good lynch, unless you feel like a Town DF *would* show an actual "want to solve anything" and *would* show "drive." Is that the case? Because again, unless there's reason for you to expect more than this from a Town DF, then I don't see anything that makes this particular mole the one that needs whacking.

On March 09 2018 03:59 AMG wrote:
He keeps posting giant piles of words that I haven't had enough coffee to read. It's 5am here.

On March 09 2018 04:05 Koshi wrote:
Hi all. Haven't read anything. Wont read anything soon.

On March 09 2018 04:50 rsoultin wrote:

Kelsier. I'm pretty okay with a Kelsier flip the later it gets.

On March 09 2018 05:18 KelsierSC wrote:
Can I just sneak a pass N1 and that way I can read and give you some good shit.

The alternative is shitposting some bullshit after a quick read, which I will probably realise is bad , contradict myself and then become easy lynch bait.

On March 09 2018 21:35 rsoultin wrote:
I'm out too. Been vomiting off and on for almost an hour, and I think phone posting is making it worse.

Everyone:

Please take a stance on mass claiming today, and explain why you think it would be a bad idea if you don't want to.

Please look at HF. I think he's scum or too tunneled on DF to think straight.

May not be back for awhile if this keeps up blech @.@

On March 10 2018 22:23 Koshi wrote:
So 4 medic claims. Good stuff.
This means we have 6 VTs versus 4 medics atm.
We know there is 1 mafia within the VTs.

Now we have 2 lynches and 2 medic shots during the night to get the 1 mafia within the VTs.
If we figure him out today we auto win killing medics.
If we figure him out during night we auto win killing medics.
If we figure him out next day we end up with 4 real vts and 3 medics which contain a mafia. = autowin cuz medics kill each other during night.
If we figure him out the second night we go into a 2 VT + 1 medic vs a fakeclaiming medic mafia. It's a 50/50 because we have to lynch.

But seriously. If we lose that we missed 3 lynches and 2 vig shots. Then you just deserve to lose.

On March 11 2018 01:22 darthfoley wrote:
Yes, a mafia Vivax makes some sense. It is flashing in front of my eyes.

On March 11 2018 19:45 rsoultin wrote:


Dude, if you don't give me more than this N2, I'm going to scumread you forever. It feels like you're just content to skate by because you know we have to lynch your partner first.

I want reads. Informed by new things in thread. Not some vig shot the least common denominator crap without at least explaining how you get there.

On March 11 2018 20:50 MoosyDoosy wrote:

This is getting into really pointless details imo. But it went something like this:

I tried to play mafia normally -> got hard scum read by geript -> feelsbadman -> played in a game with rayn -> got hard scumread by him and brutally tunneled -> feelsbadman -> saw either glowingbear or alakaslam play (i dont remember which) -> was like hey they're acting crazy to get reactions this looks fun -> played another game with rayn -> he scumreads me again -> hey this looks like a good time to troll -> trolls -> was a lot of fun actually -> get a game without rayn -> hey maybe i can try trolling this game from the start rather than as a reaction -> commence trolling d1 -> post game realize that mafia lined up on my wagon nicely -> hey this can be a legit strat -> in future games with rayn or someone I find equally obnoxious use trolling as a defense mechanism -> use trolling in games without rayn as a legitimate tactic -> fast forward 2 years -> feels bad that i made a lot of ppl hate playing the game becuz of me -> decide to not troll

On March 12 2018 02:44 Fecalfeast wrote:
DF i'll team up with you who are we giving the lethal injection

On March 12 2018 05:19 n00bKing wrote:

That's because it's nonsense. He can't seem to string together even 2 posts in a row that make sense from the mind of a Town player trying to win this game.

On March 12 2018 05:26 Holyflare wrote:


This is quite literally the most information giving night action list.

On March 12 2018 05:40 MoosyDoosy wrote:

Okay so possible mafia in claimed medics is vivax and fecalfeast. Who are you healing atm?

Other claimed medics @noobking, @fecalfeast, @vivax, who are you guys healing atm and who do you think is scum.

On March 12 2018 05:48 darthfoley wrote:
@vivax and @FF I'm down to heal Koshi

On March 12 2018 05:40 MoosyDoosy wrote:

Okay so possible mafia in claimed medics is vivax and fecalfeast. Who are you healing atm?

Other claimed medics @noobking, @fecalfeast, @vivax, who are you guys healing atm and who do you think is scum.

On March 11 2018 19:42 Vivax wrote:
Kelsiers strategy of trying to skate on big puppy eyes didn't quite work. Good, good.

##Vote: Koshi

On March 11 2018 20:01 Vivax wrote:
But objectively Koshi is right this is the best way to play the game.
I don't think any of his advice makes him town. He's still cold as ice and not very organic while he posts useful things.

I'm going to be healing Koshi, if one medic claims to be backing me up the other can go for a save at his own discretion, with the roleblocker down.

On March 11 2018 20:13 Vivax wrote:
I think I like Koshi/DF for remaining mafia very much, a bit on a whim. Having taken issue with Damdreds and DFs D1 posts already I'd love to have been right about suspecting them at that point already.

On March 11 2018 20:17 Vivax wrote:
Why am I doing what only, I want? FF posted that he's cool with healing Koshi, I'm cool with healing Koshi as well. So we can healkill Koshi both and Noobking and df can claim to be doing whatever.

If Koshi flips scum that also clears me and FF and the next days one of Noobking or DF flips mafia, or one of them claims to have healed Koshi as well and we lynch him.

I'm going to heal Koshi, now to wait what the other medic claims claim to be doing.

On March 12 2018 02:47 Vivax wrote:


Ah so killing Koshi now suddenly isn't as nice to you as you made yourself sound? Please explain.

On March 12 2018 03:23 Vivax wrote:
So I post 3 minutes away from FFs last post and he still hasn't replied.

HF you agree on Koshi being the kill or do you have another idea?

On March 12 2018 03:49 Vivax wrote:
Ok so me and ff on koshi. Not a fan of plans to kill HF, but it comes down to df/noobking.

On March 12 2018 05:01 Vivax wrote:
Why aren't df and noob in thread to coordinate?

On March 12 2018 06:02 MoosyDoosy wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
alright so one question. To which I responded with this:
+ Show Spoiler +
But fair enough, halfway through day phase I did kind of start to faze things after it started to become clear we were playing setup. I don't think asking people to make sure they didn't change their mind is necessarily a bad thing though.

On March 12 2018 06:21 darthfoley wrote:


Well, HF is not going to happen so I guess you need to kill Moosy

On March 12 2018 06:23 rsoultin wrote:
FF not being here to at least get this nailed down is not giving me the warm fuzzies. Which is lovely because the last thing I need is more scumspects.

On March 12 2018 06:27 rsoultin wrote:


Your logic isn't foolproof, but it's the most likely scenario regarding moosy. That said, this would be true of anyone you decided to cowboy your medic save on if you're town. And that doesn't change that I don't like why you're doing it in the first place.

On March 12 2018 06:31 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Vivax where is your explanation. Looking back, Holyflare also called out medics for being a mess. What makes me doing it and attempting to organize medics particularly scummy?

On March 12 2018 06:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:

And you really think me wanting you to say you were on Koshi to prompt darth and noob to also vote him is a sign of red?

On March 12 2018 06:52 n00bKing wrote:
*sigh*

Come on, FF. Get yo' ass in here.

On March 12 2018 08:23 Holyflare wrote:
There are actually variables where vivax isn't mafia but his shenanigans at deadline heavily suggest otherwise.

On March 12 2018 08:27 Holyflare wrote:


The fact we agreed to do a unanimous nk and you bailed at the last second to cause the most confusion on a terrible read. Much like d1 tbh.

On March 12 2018 08:41 rsoultin wrote:
See the thing is, Viva sitting on Moosy as scum doesn't make much sense unless they're scum together. And the buss doesn't make much more sense, either.

On March 07 2018 05:44 Fecalfeast wrote:
Man noobking if you're scum I'll be super impressed. Bleeding town on top of talking about host interactions in thread makes you lock green to me forever

On March 10 2018 04:27 Fecalfeast wrote:
I would lynch wall of text king

On March 13 2018 21:54 Holyflare wrote:


It's possible but not worth thinking about until tonight where you need to get all the medics to follow a set plan. I have also tinfoiled this but with slam just voting me now and moosy just posting meta and mechanics I can't really think about a rsoultin mafia world.

I don't know why you've suddenly backtracked on moosy either. I want you to link the games you've read that made you change your mind and a short sentence from each game on why it's different.

On June 25 2016 08:21 MoosyDoosy wrote:

why you gotta be like this i'm just a moose tryna live his life.

On June 25 2016 08:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:
should i name the rest of the people that aren't on my team?

On June 25 2016 08:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:

neeeeveeer. But to be serious, we generally pass the BS stage when someone really presses an issue or like 6 hrs before deadline.

On June 25 2016 08:53 MoosyDoosy wrote:

oh g0d I really want shapelog to post some gifs about now.

On September 10 2015 01:19 MoosyDoosy wrote:

Nothing changed. I acknowledge that it's weird that CopCake would have pointed out GB that early although her points against him were very weak in the first place and might as well not be there.

Things that I still dislike about this whole affair is that she hasn't refuted any points that I presented, dodges around questions aimed at her, solely spouts rayn sentiment, and is basically relying on rayn to stay alive at this point in time.

Despite how she may have pointed out GB earlier, that's still just one weak point against a whole host of others. The only reason that she's probably not refuting any points and having thread presence is because doing so might just incriminate her more and she's relying on rayn anyway.

On March 07 2018 12:36 MoosyDoosy wrote:

Are you even reading the quotes I'm linking...?


I asked that and I asked this:


Because I wanted to see what you would do. And while I agree with what others have said in that your tone has gotten better, you look like you're effectively just throwing shit at the wall trying to see if it will stick instead of actually trying.

Instead of actually searching for Mafia, it looks like you're trying to get on the same page with AMG to cater to him because he offered you a life rope. Instead of reading the quotes I linked you, you're asking me a question which I answer in said quotes where I specifically ask for feedback. Instead of not asking me the same question someone already has (n00bKing) and which I've addressed with someone else (Fecalfeast), you ask me it again.

I doubt you're actually trying and while your posts entering were tonally good, it reads to me atm like you're just trying to get anything to stick.

On March 12 2018 20:11 darthfoley wrote:
to be clear, I think Vivax is scum not just because of last night. Rather, because his defense today has seemed all over the place trying to throw theories at the wall to see what sticks. Plus my case against him regarding his interactions/read progression on prplhz D1 that only Koshi seemed to read and Vivax never even tried to defend himself against.

I also agree with n00bking that today wasn't gonna be an auto lynch. I mean yesterday wasn't an auto lynch but you still had people like Vivax and Moosy who kept talking about how they have no interest in the game considering it's a mechanics based solution.

On March 14 2018 00:37 rsoultin wrote:
Viva, real talk, if I were the vt scum among the vts and the literal only person in the game people weren't scumreading, why would I NEED some stupid strat to get 'confirmed' over three kills last night including moosy that would all but win us the game. We'd mislynch slam or something today then shoot hf over me cause noob wham bam thank you maam thats game.

Your tinfoil is pure paranoia if you're even town here. And part of me thinks that scum don't come up with something this ludicrous in the first place so you probably are barring acta of pure desperation

On March 14 2018 01:15 rsoultin wrote:


It's wifom but this is just not something id do right off the back of another scum game, and a shit one at that. Probably not ever. I dont actually enjoy playing scum nearly enough to want to extend the game, especially needlessly. I was under no pressure and we weren't lynching medics until the mafia in the vts was found anyway.

Yeah. This is the last post I'll make about this. I'll address any genuine reasons to scumread me I suppose, should you or anyone else produce any.

But I don't see how I can fight suboptimal hypotheticals that you seem determined to believe in despite how little sense they'd make for me as scum.

I don't think you're scum, and I don't think you're bad. So all I can call it is paranoid viva going down the rabbit hole.

And frankly, I'm trying hard not to be offended that you think it's so impossible mafia would try to shoot me. That you're basing it off setup makes it a little better, but still...that's cold lol ><

On March 14 2018 01:20 rsoultin wrote:

Not to be a wet blanket, but how does this make sense to you either?

Now you think df is going to confirm me town rather than just kill me? Doesn't that make it more rather than less likely to get it lynched, especially with my reading him scum at the end of n2 over the other vt claims?

Are you just super convinced df is scum or what's going on here?

On March 14 2018 04:42 Holyflare wrote:
Why the fuck would I kill AMG when all the medics are on prplhz OR I've somehow convinced one to go to df.

Why Vivax?

That's a free you kill, a free Rsoultin kill. Why do I kill AMG?

That's such bull shit to come from you and you know it.

On March 14 2018 04:45 Holyflare wrote:


what the hell are you saying? There's confirmed mafia in the rsoul/slam/moosy trio and confirmed mafia in the vivax/ff/nk/df group.

If df and rsoul are taken out, which any sensible person should do since they haven't said anything egregious, have been town read and didn't need to make any play when they could have shot moosy then you're left with slam/moosy and ff/nk.

That's two 50/50s you can lynch into. We've been sticking to some lynch VT plan so you have to theorise which one of Moosy and Slam is mafia. If you think Moosy is too happy then just read my bit on slam above and how he's just randomly lynching me today.

If Slam does not respond I don't know what I am going to do.

On March 14 2018 05:07 Holyflare wrote:
Moosy and df still voting vivax? Poor show.

On March 14 2018 06:49 MoosyDoosy wrote:
darthfoley's behavior at end of night leads me to believe he's town because he was pretty frantic about who to vote for and organizing people. Also his initial reaction to things like vivax's push so I doubt he's mafia.

I will say that rsoultin's drop off is pretty bad once she was confirmed town but honestly don't think it's uncharacteristic because she's also playing setup.

Sorry fam, mafia is you and vivax.